Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Bushi]

8 hours ago, biet said:

^T

his shipper paradise thread is so funny 

the reason that agency doesnt want to be relationated to cults... is because the agency is having rumors about being  related to one and they are suing people left and right.

rumors about one of those actors? room salons...

and sasaengs saw that idol staying all night at his girlfriend house and going around in his gray mbw

when he goes to trips... she goes with him too. 

the rumor last year was he wanted to marry her this year and the agency doesnt want so he is upset about that and in a bad relation with his agency

these are the strong rumors in korea

Yeah, of course your sasaeng did. Because she's a total beacon of truth and light. And a pillar of society, being a sasaeng. A high rolling, aspirational career choice if ever there was. (Incoming fart sound.) 

And just happened to break her legendary 'code of silence' among sasaengs to tell Korea. 

Still, it's no worse than the last REALLY. STRONG. RUMOUR. when Taehyung ended up in tears after realising his beloved girlfriend was seeing another idol and the two males pretty much coming to blows. A bit like a K-drama, whoops. Or that he and the Golden Maknae spend their free time at abort!on clinics. 

And you think we're nuts in here?

 

Edited June 15, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

2 hours ago, biet said:

koreans are talking now about the that group leader's hidden girlfriend... a model... all her friends are celebrities... former trainee

Nobody cares on here. Take it to the straight peoples thread. 

[Bushi]

On 6/27/2021 at 4:36 PM, Josaline said:

Jimin looks gorgeous but what is he wearing? Skirt?

 

Yes, it's a kilt. 

The Scots will be pleased. 

Men wear them all the time in Scotland for ceremonial, traditional events and social occasions. Mostly they're pleated but they can be straight. 

Obvs he's not jumped up and come to work in it from his own wardrobe. It's clearly styled. Having said that, he looks nice in this outfit, it does work well on him, and he may have picked some parts himself. 

 

Edited June 29, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

5 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

As much as they try to downplay it, we all know the fact that Jimin was having fun with the girls at the bar in his private and personal time. 

Yourself and JiminsOppa make good points, but the above is not the best example to use, imo. 

People of every sexuality can have fun and be sociable in their free time, with anyone. 

And I think it's important to note that he didn't engineer the situation. It basically landed at his table when one of a group of girls recognised or semi-recognised him and somebody started to film, with the inevitable cloutseek upload. He seemed half cut and jolly. But had there been males in the mix, I think he'd have been as fun and eager to be sociable. No sexual reasoning needed in either case. And without a shadow of doubt he'll have had a minder with him/nearby. 

In this instance the whole scenario seemingly only got as far as it did because one of the girls 'spoke Korean.'

I don't ever rule out he could be into women. But some of his body language around men has been interesting. Malta was a huge flag moment imo. 
 

Spoiler

On a side note, the French trip also threw up blind item offerings about wild threesomes with both sexes, and drugs. Or various convolutions of the 'story.' The reason he was actually there is still a mystery to me.  Business? Work related? Sightseeing? 

Maybe he was house hunting.

 

Edited June 29, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

On 7/6/2021 at 6:35 AM, Dont mind me said:

Deleted at request of OP. 

 

Based on hypothetical 'if he isnt straight...'

1. Can't he be both? Or more? 

2. Is being gay still considered synonymous mainly with being babied or flaming? Of standing out as a gay stereotype? And being serious, studious and sporty points to straightness? 

3. Imo when he's made reference to LGBT he's done much of it in his own V Lives and with thought and maturity. He's been a more deep, 'grown up' person for a long time now in BTS. 

It doesn't surprise me that that translates over to a friendship group who have nothing to do with work. He's not going to shower his friends outside BTS with his 'BTS persona.'

Not that I think he has much of a 'BTS persona' these days. He's just Taehyung, who goes along with what he's told to do for his job. Sometimes with good humour. Sometimes the strain shows. 

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

13 hours ago, Wnnabe said:

Sometimes it feels like you guys are searching for crumbs that just aren't there at all, like claiming J-Hope's mv had "bisexual lightning".

I get really tired of this imo overt ignorance. 

Why is it acceptable for this fandom to read deep psychobabble into telephone boxes, a set of fluffy wings and some lollipops? But J-Hope and RM both use explicitly recognisable colours in videos that they themselves had creative control over, and somehow everybody has a dose of dubious bi pareidolia? 

It may or may not be, but don't dumb people down. The colours are there. They put them there, not viewers. Do you think they put those specific colours and delineating lines up, and thought 'oh nobody will notice or question it'? I don't think anybody has even said it means they're definitely bi, it may be about allyship. But what's a meaningless 'crumb' to you might actually mean something. If not directly to/about them, to someone else. 

Edited July 10, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

1 hour ago, jklover said:

Oh I see. I know Twitter 'tea' accounts that portray jimin as some kind of f*ckboy. Other accounts say he's the most popular with female idols. 

Well, they've been parrotting this stuff about Jimin for years now, with many of the tea accounts, rather hilariously, copying each other. Can you imagine hundreds of these jobless types under his bed every night, making notes?

It's just not realistic, is it? 

 

Edited July 15, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

25 minutes ago, Chicken soup said:

Guys I hear once in a while some ppl saying that apparently Ten hinted that he confessed to a boy during his school days by giving him a rose and got rejected. Is this true? Where did he say that? Has anyone else heard abt that? Lmao I'm so confused

Meh, you don't need all that fluffy Soompi gossip. All you need is Ten and his ice cream and sausage-tasting fiascos and national Bold! Gays! anthem, New Heroes. 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

1 hour ago, JiminsOppa said:

Correct. Its just staggering to me that a man smiling and going 'wow' or 'cool' or 'ooh' during a performance is something people draw so much from. At the very same time people in this thread have, every time its brought up, said Yoongi's quotes and lyrics that speak to his sexuality are "vauge" or unproven, and Taehyung liking CMBYN is "maybe he's just supportive" or any Kpop idol acknowledging a flag is "they don't know what it is", but when a man looks at a woman performing on stage and smiles it's "well, clearly this is a moment of heterosexual attraction!"

It seems incredibly heteronormative.

It's interesting that in this thread, people will take everything someone like Jimin has ever done that, for many queer people, is a signifier (the bigender temporary tattoo, the Malta moment, the 'wow great body', talking with Yoongi about gender neutrality and many others) and will often turn it into "we don't know, these are just stereotypes, he's just a flower boy". But when the man smiles during a woman's musical performance, and seems impressed or to be enjoying it, its automatically assigned not only inherent sexuality but attraction. Is it not equally stereotypical and normative to assume that, again, men can't enjoy women performing without it having to be an enjoyment informed by sex? That moments tells us literally nothing, and ascribing it sexuality and a sexual aspect is offensive in more than one way.

Some of ya'll come across as if you've been watching too much Anime or something, and you actually think men having any form of facial expression near a woman, other than stoic, is sexual or romantic. 

 

Crucially, we as observers don't know how well these people know each other.

Behind the scenes they could be good buddies or move in the same circles. So their responses may be heightened and more excited at seeing people they know and like. 

I'm not downplaying his response to Hwasa. It could well be lustful and excited, but we're just not in his head to necessarily know where the boundaries between friendly/intimate, professional, sexual, etc, between idols in the same industry begins and ends. 

To me, if people are going to lend reasonable credence to his Hwasa reaction (which I have no objection to) then surely Jimin In Malta should be afforded the same assumptions? The look back at that guy/guys in the street, which was not subject to idol studio/concert environment, was equally as interesting. And as far as passersby went, just a matter of chance, a unique variable on the night. 

Edited July 18, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

On 7/19/2021 at 12:58 PM, Dont mind me said:

What is this? 

The top two look like 400 year old gifs of JK looking at boobs perhaps and Taehyung being Taehyung. Also likely knowing there's a camera pointing at him. 

Plus more recent stuff showing idols who literally have to live cheek by jowl most hours of the day, getting occasionally peed at each other. Or hamming it up for the fans/cameras. 

I think it's supposed to convince everyone that there's no way these two can be anything other than straight. 

Which, that may be. I fully advocate the open mind policy. But a few carefully selected, and in some cases, ancient, gifs, don't really add up to a necessarily full picture. A lot is also down to individual interpretation. Someone sees a sexual gesture in Taehyung towards his stylist. I just see him acting out in a comfortable environment and maybe rebelling a little. It wouldn't be the first time he's pulled faces at being dressed by someone else. 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

I must admit, JK is the one in BTS I find hardest to read. Then Jin. The rest I can speculatively see as having enough consistent/historical LGBT receipts to have one arguable foot (at least) on the rainbow spectrum. A few members more convincingly than others. 

Bit of a ramble under the cut. Read only if you give half a toss about my thoughts on JK. 

Spoiler

The one bit of, as near to conclusive, recent evidence I feel that we have as to JK's sexuality, in terms of his life outside of work, rules/regs, professional influences, is the tattooer, Mijoo. 

She just won't go away for me, even though many fans dismiss her, or say it was a friendship, or she was using him.

Imo that's just fan excuses so as not to face up to the uncomfortable possibilities (for them). This wasn't someone he worked with, or an industry person. This was a complete random in another ballpark, outside BTS, outside his contracted time. 

I'm not discounting it was a cute friendship, and he's just tactile and doesn't give a shit about convention. But there's also a high chance it was a coupling of some kind, and they got busted. And which was 'why' they got busted, lol. Because the nature of it had flown past 'hangout buddies' and was getting onto radars. 

I didn't, and still don't, see a problem with her at all, but in SK idol world it's o/c high treason. It also doesn't mean that JK is straight. I want to underline that point. But if Mijoo was legit it would mean he's probably not gay, as some strongly advocate for. Obviously he has several LGBT-friendly moments, or even hints that could be about himself, but it's rarely if ever followed up, hotly denied by mainstream fans, and you're unlikely to ever see it manifest in public, if he is or has been into guys. Not unless Dispatch is sitting on a scorcher of a story. 

I think if he wasn't straight, and he had a boyfriend, in for example western society, he'd likely be partly out by now. In a way the public would recognise. And I bet he wouldn't care.

But given that he's barely allowed the possibility of a civilian girlfriend in SK without there being a nuclear meltdown (and it certainly affecting the whole fandom), it remains pretty doubtful imo that he, or anyone in BTS, will move beyond making placatory noises at sections of the fandom, if one or more are 'moon children.' And as ever, the spectre of mandatory service hangs over everything, complicating matters for all idols. 

I wish it wasn't this way but that's where we're at.

So I do see JK as someone who likes girls, creatively, platonically, and probably sexually. I can see access to, and messing about with girls coming easily for him if he is of that mindset. I have to say though, that since Rennis I've not seen any major drama, apart from the pandemic pubcrawl with his buds. A farce which ended up being gay tinged according to one source, lol. He otherwise seems to have been focused on group business really well. 

If he ever came out as a fully-fledged gay I can't say I'd be surprised, but I suspect it more likely that women are his calling. Bi curious but with a very practical pref for females, I think is where I'm placing him atm. And possibly there's more drama with women in his future. If he's with a man, it's in his older more settled years, long after BTS, imo. 

That's how I read him, rightly or wrongly. Reason I leave the rainbow door open for him is because he's said and done enough hmmm-worthy things to merit a 'Congrats, you may not be 100% het' badge.

But yeah, I still think the tattooer episode probably was what it seemed like to most observers. And all the silences and denials were the natural result of being found out. 

 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

3 hours ago, retired said:

Dann from KINGDOM

 

Aww, thanks for this, I love Kingdom.

[Bushi]

Ladies, this isn't the thread. Please. 

[Bushi]

Fairly simple really, imo. Company crafted their images, said "Jump!" and fans/onlookers said: 'How high?" Jimin happens to be a dancer, an art form still primarily interpreted as feminine in many cultures. Add to that his light and airy voice, his gentle manners and nature, his coyness, etc. He does seem a genuinely sweet person. People the world over associate sweetness as a more female trait, rightly or wrongly. 

For me the more interesting ones in BTS are the older end. But rappers esp. are never going to be marketed as soft and gentle swans, are they? Yoongi's not a natural dancer, his voice is like a tuba, and the 'tsundere' thing was pushed early on. Even though we know stereotypes can mean zip in reality.

Yoongi does have some feminine traits and he looks very refined in makeup, probably the most out of any of them imo. But he's obviously 'male looking' out of it. They all are. Certainly he is as gentle as Jimin in his own way. But his public image has been moulded differently by himself/the company. And it's public image that sticks, because we don't get to see much of their daily private lives. 

Does any of this have any bearing on actual sexuality? Of course not. They could all be anything. And away from the cameras they will be. None of them are walking the streets in fancy photoshoot outfits and hairstyles by choice in their free time. We see that from V Lives and airports. But then neither are most drag queens, if we're going to compare industry notes.

BH did nothing to macho Jimin's image up as time went on, and so the 'gentle, femme' persona has stuck for large (vocal) sections of fandom. Having said that he seems to be quite settled with his publicly genderfluid direction, afaics. Is he clamouring to be butched up when the cameras are off? Who knows. But I suspect not. He seems to have hit a plateau of contentment. At least outwardly. 

Edited July 31, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

8 hours ago, greysides said:

Spoiler

 

see this is what i don't get. what is his "gentle manners and nature and coyness" what is that? this is what seems made up to me. based on what. what is so soft and gentle and coy about him compared to the rest? is it cause he's sometimes flirtatious? why doesn't that mean he's seen as fuckboy-ish (sorry to put that forward, i definitely dont think any of them are like that, but for arguments sake) rather than a femme fatale? again, this all feels like a baseless way to emasculate an east asian man to me. i know that could be seen as controversial but i genuinely dont know how else to interpret peoples determination to make jimin into something he doesnt seem to particularly be. all of the bts members are kind and arguably sweet? say jimin is more altruistic than the others, why is that the only trait acknowledged here when he can also be very petty and sly? he also likes to pick on the members (in a good-hearted way) a lot and tease them. why is that ignored in favour of his sweet side?

"But he's obviously 'male looking' out of it" and jimin isn't???? i'm sorry but what does this mean?? this is my exact issue? so yoongi is obviously male looking but jimin isn't? based on what exactly? is it cause jimin has big lips? then why isnt jin seen in the same way?

"so the 'gentle, femme' persona has stuck for large (vocal) sections of fandom." i'd argue this has only stuck since around 2019, i swear this did not exist the way it does now before then and it doesnt exist in korean fandom circles the way it does in western countries and that speaks volumes. 

"publicly genderfluid direction" WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??? how is he gender fluid??? at all? what has he done that makes you think this?

im not saying he's trying to ne super macho either, just that he gets singled out for no reason compared to the other members. i dont think any of them are that masculine or feminine.

and yeah he does seem to be more content but i dont think theres any way for us to know that has anything to do with him apparently being feminine or not being feminine, especially because i doubt he even really knows that people think of him in this way in western circles, again this isnt a universally accepted notion toward jimin in korea

 

 

I could respond, of course, but I'll tell you what I'm not doing. For the sake of mine and others sanity. 

I'm not doing stretched out arguments on here that go back and forth for pages with no end and no resolve. And that just piss everyone else off. 

If you want to fight for Jimin's soul and get deeply offended on his behalf go take it up with his agency. The line is drawn for me. 

________________________________

On another note, did anyone manage to find anything out about Kingdom? I like them and someone was asking if there was any gossip on them a few pages back. 

Edited July 31, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

1 hour ago, Here said:

Sehun seems straight to me. If a lgbt member is forced to answer to their sexuality, ofc they'll say they're straight to save their career. But Sehun answered the question despite not having to. An lgbt member would just ignore the question. 

As far as I know, the majority of his fanbase (in sk) doesn't think he's lgbt... 

1. That's fair enough. I respect that. But can anyone, hand on heart, say that that 'question' wasn't a pre selected one set up by his agency or that he wasn't expecting it? Because I can't. It could have been genuine and innocently asked by a fan. Or posed by his manager/team, because someone wanted it addressed for image purposes. How can we know for sure? Who would even tell anyone? 

2. He's part of a Korean supergroup which is naturally cherished at home and across Asia, and whose fans want it to do so well they literally rush to cover up or silence anything seen as potentially 'career damaging' to their 'best boy.' That's why he's been able to get away with it all these years. He's been babied and over protected by his fans since he joined EXO. And he's always maintained a sort of slick, clean, faultless profile. Aside from a few minor incidents, that car thing, and lots of unverified rumours, he's not the worst idol offender. Someone managed to completely unsing all his trips with Chefsuke though, whatever that was about. I remember at the time people largely wrote Chefsuke off because he was 'old' and 'unnattractive' - typical fangirl butthurt logic when something unexplainable threatens, and so he was just ignored. In the west it was pretty much an open secret that Harry Styles was dating dj Nick Grimshaw for years, but it never got traction because Harry's own fans and ultras refused to give it any credence. Preferring the Larry fantasy or that he was bedding tons of women. Everyone in Shoreditch knew though. 

The only comparison I'm drawing is that fans can control the narrative with what they choose to believe, en masse. And there is no more regimented and organised fandoms than in K-pop. Coming from vast, vast swathes of overprotective, mostly female fans brought up on mostly conservative values. Of course many of them dream of being Sehun's girlfriend, that's the whole point of these groups whether people admit it or not. Money and fantasy = good for the economy. 

I'm not saying he is definitely gay or trying to convince anyone. I don't know for sure. Only he knows. His sexuality doesn't have to be defined/fixed/decided. He can be who and what he wants.

But ultimately he's said and done those things and our discussion of it is purely in response to his own words and actions. That's why he's ended up here. Because of his own actions, not things we pulled out of our collective arse.

This Regina person is ranting at the wrong people. She needs to go and take it up with Sehun as to why he said and did those things. There's no point getting upset with us. We're just discussing him now and then. Musing, if you will.

But I guarantee none of us are outside his door hassling him, he has Korean sasaeng lunatics for that. She should go and kvetch at them, the actual harm doers. 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

12 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

Learned a new word today, thanks for that

And I agree with everything you said. Without his own actions there wouldn't be much of a conversation on this site.

Exactly, he's simply here due to his own words/actions. I'm not invasive and rude enough to go and hound him in private, or stand outside his agency and wail. Which incidentally, tons of his straight fangirls do on a daily basis. Or demand he shares his sexuality with me and the world on a Vlive.  

We talk about him on a gay thread because of his very gay past actions and inferences. Be they just him being playful, or it having some real merit. That's on him, not us.

Edited August 10, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

You can clown all you want but you show your cowardly laziness and that's all. I'll continue to speak as I see. 

You won't clown me away. 

[Bushi]

16 hours ago, mEeEeE said:

People clown straight guys for saying “I’m not gay but such and such song by gay artist or pop diva is good”, but then we have people here judging peoples’ sexuality by the songs they listen to. 
 

I don't think there are that many here doing this. Maybe the odd commenter. 

Such conversation tends to be in a larger contextual framework. He likes LGBT songs and he hangs with... and he's expressed this and that re: LGBT, etc. It's far more often part of a bigger picture that people notice about an idol. An ongoing pattern, if you like. 

[Bushi]

7 hours ago, livmo99 said:

Yeah I agree. And I agree on Heechul now. But I don't think the rumors about Chanyeol are fully true and there are many gay men who have dated women. Also Chanyeol wasn't involved in the burning sun scandal. His friend was. Its very possible Chanyeol had no idea about how disgusting his (hopefully former) friend is. My mom was friends with this one guy for like 40 years and she just found out a couple months ago that he thinks its ok to hit women sometimes. You don't always know the people you think you know.

Ah I see

Spoiler

 

Chanyeol's also said to be taking heavy legal action against malignant gossipers. 

I have no doubt South Korean agencies protect their menfolk as best they can, often to the detriment of any females on the scene. Look at saint BTS, I love these boys but all the issues surrounding alleged dalliances or fan-inferred hookups over work projects (most cases probably blown way out of proportion by ARMY, antis, whoever). Not one member, always so succinct and wise during interviews, has come out and defended anyone involved, except themselves and their agency, against relentless bullying of women and of other artists. And yet this goes on every week, every other day. 

So it's no wonder fans have a superior sense of power and hold over these idols. And when some turn against them it gets so ugly. Suddenly that idol ends up being intensely hated, written off as a playboy and a nobody. Sometimes with just cause, but what about when fans/naysayers get it totally wrong? Again we circle back to Chanyeol. I'm neither saying he's saint nor sinner. I don't know. But he is a product of a system that has long venerated male idols, and which now finds itself (and its self-cultivated target female audiences) competing with a global womens empowerment movement. 

Time and actual proof will weed out if Chanyeol's the despicable villain he's claimed by some to be, a victim of lies/agendas, or he's somewhere in between; just a guy who does good but gets some things wrong too. 

I have no vested emotional attachment so will just watch with interest to see how his legal case pans out. 

 

Spoilered as O/T. 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

11 hours ago, livmo99 said:

Ah I see about the thing regarding her and Wonho. I do still believe Wonho is bisexual though. Also as I said before, plenty of gay men have dated women and even cheated on them with women. We don't know that she's telling the truth about Chanyeol's cheating. So many false rumors have been spread about so many idols. She said Chanyeol cheated on her with 10 girls. Well, why don't the 10 girls come forward? Literally not a single one has come forward. None of Chanyeol's rumored one night stands spoke out. But yeah Chanyeol has clearly been friends with very problematic people. Most gay men aren't friends with guys like that. I'll update my post on Chanyeol. 

There's a real Chanyeol haters club on here, lol. Shrugs. 

It's no skin off my nose if he gets thrown under the bus for being a bad guy if indeed he is. But as you say, there's also plenty of bullshit flying around. The legal action implies he's at least bothering to defend himself of some of the gossip doing the rounds. It can take its course and we'll see what occurs. 

As for Heechul, the other name that crops up when 'sleaze' is implied, I find him to be pretty silly but also clever and calculating. He's an old hand at playing the house cards, lol. I wouldn't want to put bets on his actual sexuality (jury's still out for me on that), and in fairness he has had a lot of 'gay inference' dumped on him by certain insistent onlookers over the years. But he's sorta played up to it too, when it suited. He seems to me quite a complex character under the goofy exterior. 

[Bushi]

Duplicate post. 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

From everything I've seen of the South Korean idol scene, it's precisely because they laugh at, mock and dismiss gay people that LGBT have been able to hide in plain sight. 

Outside of actual Korean LGBT who live it, they treat it as one big joke. Maybe not now so much but even a few years ago. You get to say these things because few take it seriously or afford it any respect. Gays are society's jokes who often end up in mental asylums to be straightened out. Holland's own friend recently went through it when he came out to his family, and this is modern South Korea. 

It can still be hard for people in the west to be out. I can't even imagine what people who have an entire country's system set up to fail them as LGBT people must be like. Which is why I keep an open mind. 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Bushi

[Bushi]

2 hours ago, heedeungie said:

idk if Jackson Wang from GOT7 Was kissing a GUY in public but this is what i found (dont go too far in the acc its an nsfw acc)

https://twitter.com/CarlosThirsts/status/1430164431363846144?s=20

There's a comment that says it was from a wedding. To give it some context they're dressed up and there are people around filming them so they're clearly horsing around and unbothered. 

Still, he looks comfortable doesn't he. Good old Jackson.

[Bushi]

Not suspicious at all. He practically said he's bi ages ago. It's just that people treat it as a haha funny joke or that they've misheard 'Hong Kong' as 'bing bong,' etc. 

Happens all the time.