Which male idols do you think are gay?

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3 minutes ago, fluffye said:

saw no one posted this although it's been some days??? thought it was funny

 

BRO GOT SHOT DOWN 

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3 minutes ago, Josaline said:

 

I agree. I think Taehyung and Jungkook want to wear what they want and do what they want without gender restrictions. 

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Taehyung's Overwatch game character

 

 

Aw, they are great. 

I know this isn't celebrity photos but just a small appreciation. I would love to see more male idols with long hair and more female idols with short hair. 2020 let's get it.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, chargerdine said:

Nah I definitely agree. They’d find something to hate on the girl, but for right now they’re just desperate for interactions with women. 

I also believe they think they are too busy to date. I HIGHLY doubt that. There was an idol (maybe Way?) who gave an interview and said that most idols are dating and "being too busy" is just an excuse to make fans happy.

3 minutes ago, thelliot said:

^^after the mullet trend, I'm hopeful the long hair trend for guys might rise from the grave   
androgynous pretty boys ftw

YES YOU HAVE TASTE 

 

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59 minutes ago, singularstigma said:

He’s also followed by Hong Seok Cheon, Edward Avila and a gay Japanese-Korean model couple. It’s quite obvious somethings up here lol

I think that says a lot lmao.

Thought you guys might be interested in watching this

 

 

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55 minutes ago, singularstigma said:

This drama is actually really good, yes it’s a side story but at the same time I thought it was done so nicely. Wonseok being gay isn’t treated as something comical, instead his sexuality just appears understood and normalised. I highly recommend. 

It's such a nice change from having the comical gay character who is usually a walking stereotype. Of course there is nothing wrong with gay people who are more traditionally "feminine", etc... it's just that in Korea it seems to happen quite often. I am hoping to see more side stories like this. It will be a long time before a gay character or couple is the main on a tv drama. 

I know an user here is tired of us talking about BTS but there is so much happening lately. I still do try to bring up relevant info about other things but welp. 

AND WE KNOW LAUV IS REALLY GOOD FRIENDS WITH TROYE SIVAN SO BTS X TROYE SIVAN LETS GET IT 

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I also think that people are scared of posting things that could be seen as shipping due to certain reactions in the past... you can't alienate people and then complain they aren't posting or posting about about the "same" things. 

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2 hours ago, slightly said:

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me still waiting for any updates nearly a year later bc my desparate ass can't move on:

 

THE DREAM LIVES

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1 hour ago, .peach. said:

Does anyone else notice any changes when it comes to Jk recently? My English sucks, so idk how this will sound, but it's like he's embracing that feminine side more..? Like, you can see it in his dancing too, even the faces he makes while dancing, he seems more...like that's how he is, not trying to look all tough and stereotypically "manly". Also more carefree. 

I don't know how to explain, but he seems very different in the last months to a year. And I love it  

 

Also, this may be wayyy of this topic, so - sorry

JK always was a little bit rebellious when it comes to being an idol. Most idols don't have tattoos? What does he do? Gets tattoos. Wants to grow his hair long. JK is gonna grow his hair long. I don't necessarily agree that JK used to be more "masculine". I think that's what fans wanted him to be. The man enjoys sports and is very competitive but he never came across as "manly" to me. I do agree., though, that he is a lot softer lately.

This man was straight up living his best life.

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22 minutes ago, chargerdine said:

Jungkook himself in the past has said he preferred to be called manly, that was around the time the company was pushing a boyish image on him. Maybe he’s just grown out of the focus on a masculine image now that he has more freedom to explore. He has a nice balance now. He’s a lot more touchy and less rigid. 

Well tbf fans and companies have the tendency of infantilizing idols... Jk definitely fell into that because as the youngest of the group he was supposed to be cute/do aegyo. Also, I meant manly as in macho. He has always been very soft to me. Although now he is definitely expressing more traditionally feminine interests/traits.

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8 hours ago, flowflow said:

This whole talk about Jungkook's feminity is pointless and doesn't say anything about his sexuality. Most male idols are feminine to some extent. 

I've been getting really annoyed lately with the gatekeeping in this thread. We don't want to talk only about someone's sexuality. We want to talk about gender norms/roles, lgtbqia rights in Korea/Asia, idols collaborating with singers who are out, etc. One could say that a lot of things we talk about here aren't necessarily linked to one's sexuality. It's called a discussion for a reason. Like damn go love something. 

 

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41 minutes ago, chargerdine said:

He’s still not that feminine. He’s not anymore feminine than any of the other members tbh. I think people are just highlighting a change in him. 

Pretty much was people have been trying to say. It's not that deep guys. 

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33 minutes ago, Josaline said:

In the Asian ent world, the married idols or actors starts getting less jobs or even no jobs, whether male or female. So they get married as late as possible. I think because of economic anxiety there are many celebrities who are 35-40 years old and still single. 

 

Although I understand that, I feel like a lot of them have made enough money to retire if they really wanted to? 

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56 minutes ago, Thatoneuser said:

Just because they retire doesn't mean their celebrity goes away. They will still have to deal with the hate they receive and Korea is a collectivist culture, meaning people care more of what others think. Also they will still have to deal with their family and friends too.

I didn't mean them coming out. I meant retiring. I'm not sure if it's a cultural thing as to why idols stay promoting for a long time.

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So many things have been happening lately. 2020 let's get it.

Girls' Generation Seohyun Breaks Barriers By Portraying An LGBT Character In Upcoming Drama

Seohyun’s role is as an LGBT woman.

NEWS

Girls’ Generation‘s Seohyun will be breaking the long-time stigma in Korea against LGBT individuals with her role in upcoming JTBC drama Hello Dracula.

Seohyun will portray the role of Anna in the drama. Anna is described as a woman nearing her thirties who has a good daughter complex and is a teacher at an elementary school. However, she has been harboring a secret since middle school.

‘I’ll never become the person mother wanted me to be.’

She never had her chance to live life her own way. She was always careful to not disappoint her mother, Mi Young. It was in middle school when she discovered she liked women. Anna expected her mother to be on her side, but instead, Mi Young coldly turned away. She can’t be accepted as ‘that’s just how it is’ by her mother. That kind of frustration dominated Anna’s life.

Anna’s world, which she managed to hold together, is crumbling after she received a phone call after 8 years, from the person she loved most in Sojung. Right after, Anna wants to go to Mi Young and be accepted and acknowledged for everything, but at the same time, she wants to hide from Mi Young until the very end.

— JTBC description

source: https://www.koreaboo.com/news/girls-generation-seohyun-breaks-barriers-portraying-lgbt-character-in-upcoming-drama/

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1 hour ago, slightly said:

I feel like some straight people have taken the top/bottom thing as basically just a replacement for "so who's the man and who's the woman" :/

And of course it's """shameful""" for a man to be anything like a woman so bottom=inferior :/ :/

Reminds me of this: 

 

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24 minutes ago, MJr said:

I'm seeing more and more kids do the whole "[X] is such a bottom/top omg" on twitter for stuff like sitting incorrectly on a chair? Being "soft"? (w/e the f*ck that means) stuff like that... Obviously it's not the terminology or the notion of bottoming (or topping, for that matter) that is weird to me, it's just teenagers are misusing these terms (sometimes on themselves) in a way that is so.......... Uncomfortable? Like a fashion statement detached of all of its original meaning? Idk.

It also reminds me of calling male idols gay or boyfriends and saying gay panic/confident gay when they show affection for one another. 

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12 hours ago, julpynt said:

ATEEZ

Hongjoong - Het... I was going to say internalised homophobia case as an option bc of the way he reacts to some things, but then I saw a video from the latest isac where his eyes were *glued* to the girl groups in the stands (in that not looking, looking way)

Seonghwa - Het

Yunho - Het

Yeosang - Gay

San - Het or Gay, either way I wouldn’t be surprised

Mingi - Same as above

Wooyoung - Het

Jongho - Het

Hongjoong has stated before he doesn't like skinship and I would go as far as saying that the skinship between idols is not normal (as in it's an idol thing). He could be simply not conforming to that and avoiding skinship. He has expressed support for the LGBTQ before. I don't think not liking to kiss other men on the cheek and holding hands is internalized homophobia... I can also be wrong of course lol. 

I think I mostly agree with you but also think we lack interactions with other idols to properly come to a conclusion. Would love to here more of your thoughts on Yeosang though. 

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26 minutes ago, taeyong's panicked scream said:

 

idols and their companies have been queerbaiting with fanservice for years now and we can see the difference between someone who queerbaits and someone who actually appreciates the community being it through art, music or overall just acting in a non-discriminatory way and recognizing diversity. 

 

I'm not sure if I agree 100% with this as fanservice has always been primary for straight female fans. A group has more to lose than to win if they support LGBTQ (at least in Korea). Of course idols who are from other more progressive countries will be more open and more supportive as well as being more comfortable with most international fans.A company has more to gain from their idols "being" straight than supporting LGBTQ. 

Things are definitely changing slowly and 2020 has been pretty good in terms of support. 

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21 minutes ago, taeyong's panicked scream said:

what i meant to say is that it's easy to get fanservice twisted and jumbled onto the idea that x idol is actually supportive of the community like "oh he did that me must be/sympathize with LGBT" but it's actually aimed to straight female fans for fetish matters.

Oh okay! I'm sorry I misunderstood and I definitely agree. It's rough being a LGBTQ+ fan.

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23 minutes ago, achlysdw said:

Wooyoung het?

IN THIS ECONOMY?

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23 hours ago, Josaline said:

YAY!

 

IT HAPPENED GUYS 

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I find it interesting that quite a few people seem to think that a member of BTS will come out. I do think they have the potential to survive if one were to, but I highly doubt that will ever happen. Although Holland did come out, it didn't start a "trend" which is understanding when looking at what happened with Chen. Idols are still fighting the stigma of being in relationships, starting a family while still an idol, sexism, etc... so I doubt most of them are even thinking about possibly coming out. All we can do is support currently out celebrities/open minded and spread acceptance. 

Side note: waiting for a pic of BTS with my man Troye Sivan.  

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2 hours ago, SingularEpiphany said:

I'm sadly of the opinion that most shippers were just excited by the titillation of a same-sex relationship. Or they look at these members as puppets they can play with, little meow meow Yoongi etc. Idols are unable to express themselves as sexual beings on their own account, only for the sake of fans. Yoongi X JPearl is acceptable because JPearl is cute. Most ships exist because fans can project their own interpretation of these members' personalities onto them (which is why someone like Jimin, a sociable and adaptable sponge, is becoming more popular to ship with JK than Taehyung, who is less readable and growing more reticent). 

 

About Yoongi x JPearl: In a society that values beauty/attractiveness, it is normal and preferable to ship two attractive people together. If the other person is not (as) attractive then suddenly the relationship is gross and the less attractive person will be seen as "unworthy". I'm honestly a bit worried if and when a member of BTS comes out and says they are in a relationship with x person. As I mentioned before, celebrities aren't really seen as people with autonomy but instead are seen as gods or the scum of the earth (when they eventually make a mistake). It's a very fine line to walk. I feel like there's so much more to write about this but celebrity culture could honestly be a topic of study in universities. 

Also, and I'm sure a lot of it is a joke but still potentially harmful, fans started to make videos such as BTS being gay or GOT7 gay panic moments. It makes me think how and if sexualizing/romanticizing male friendships can be more harmful than good. Just something that's been on mind recently and would love to read other opinions.      

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This isn't directly related to an idol (even though Heechul is on this show) but just Korea being Korea. Basically two of the male guests (one is from Columbia and the other from Sweden) are jokingly flirting with each other and one of the mc's says you can date each other and all the guests are saying we support you, but after that the mcs are like men can be really good friends. Like... don't act that men can only be friends. So backwards.

27:34-27:50

 

 

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52 minutes ago, taeyong's panicked scream said:

i watched it lol i don't really understand why they have to do shit like this every single time

it's not like the guests felt disrespected nor in danger because of that, but MCs always got to hold onto the brakes and say "wait this shit too gay, let's stick the advisory parental sticker here" just when i thought the show was getting "kinda" inclusive and interesting. i mean, what was i expecting from a show that only features male and female couples lol. bullshit.

The AUDACITY to tell a man from Sweden (where gay marriage has been legal since 2009), that men can be really good friends lmao. 
On a more serious note, I understand that it’s a Korean show but at the same time if they are going to have people from other countries maybe they could try to at least pretend to be more open minded? It comes across as ignorant in my opinion. It doesn’t sit well with me that it seems like the mcs researched the countries where the guests are from. Or maybe it’s “cool” to have foreigners on talk shows without actually caring about where they are from. Really disappointed in this show. 

Edited February 24, 2020 by ga_shina