Which male idols do you think are gay?

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Remember when I asked bi Chanyeol truthers how you guys reconcile your theory of a soft boy Chanyeol who has a Japanese boyfriend with the fact that he is a known fuckboy who is very close friends with Zico and CNBlue Jonghyun, as well as JJY to a slightly lesser extent? Remember how you guys gave me a bunch of skulls and ignored me? What was up with that, huh~?

Sehun still gay though, no worries, don't get your news from twitter.

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15 hours ago, Kaider28 said:

Who are some idols who y'all are 99.9% sure ain't straight?

Key, Jo Kwon, and The Boyz Kevin for sure. A while ago I would have said Ryeowook, but then his relationship was revealed and I was like surprised pikachu face. If he gets married soon, then I'm putting him into firmly gay category again. The Boyz Chanhee is at about conservative 95% lol so I'll mention him. I don't follow Infinite, but Sungjong seems really really gay. Kevin Woo too, did y'all see that clip in which he and Jamie clarify that they haven't dated because some fans thought they were? The hilarity. Sehun doesn't seem that clearly gay to me, but then I remember that his members made not so subtle jokes about him being gay more than once, so count him in. G-dragon is definitely bi, no straight man owns a lipstick collection and goes around liking such Instagram posts as "bottoms do it better." There's that new kid Keeho from P1Harmony who used to be on stan twitter and thirst after some BTS members lmao (as well as get into fights, as you do on stan twitter~). Everyone else I either don't know enough about (e.g. Nu'est Ren), or I'm not quite 99.9% confident (e.g. NCT Ten and Wonho).

31 minutes ago, neo velvet said:

do you guys think gender-related speculation is overstepping some boundaries?

Yeah, definitely. There is something very obviously regressive in seeing a gender non-conforming man and thinking that he is not a man because of that. It's the conclusion that homophobic people in very conservative countries jump to because they cannot wrap their mind around the idea that a man does not have to be masculine and attracted to a woman.

Not to mention that most trans identified people experience some form of dysphoria, so you're also in a way diagnosing someone with psychological distress over their body if you say that you think they might be trans. In the same way that I wouldn't discuss if an idol might be autistic, has a learning disability, or is possibly bipolar, I wouldn't discuss this either. That's a job for their mental health care professional.

Kevin calling Chanhee a she is either a simple mistake, or Kevin slipped cause he does this jokingly in private to Chanhee cause they both GAY.

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58 minutes ago, neo velvet said:

 i also highly doubt kevin does this in private since chanhee knows little to no english

I imagined it more like Kevin saying this stuff to Jacob about Chanhee, and nobody objects since no one understands what those two are saying and doing half the time lol. Still, most likely just a mistake, because honestly the idea that privately Chanhee is a trans girl is just...awful? Why would anyone celebrate him being in a position where he cannot be his authentic self due to his career among other things? And then, on top of it, Kevin laughs about accidentally outing him? None of this is good.

58 minutes ago, neo velvet said:

chanhee who WAS socialized as a girl for a good part of his childhood

Can you tell me more about this? I don't know anything about his childhood, but if his mom occasionally put him in a dress, then that's not him being socialized as female. I wore gender neutral/boyish clothes often and got mistaken for a boy sometimes, but I was still socialized as a girl because most people perceived me and treated me as such. I find it a bit hard to believe that his mother went around introducing him as her daughter to everyone, sounds like a case for CPS lol.

19 minutes ago, liberalitea said:

cmiiw but he tweeted something about wanting to tickle jimin's genitals i think

Yeah, he said something like that, it's been a while though, so I don't remember the specifics myself. Mostly he was shitposting, but I don't really remember him talking sexually about women, only men. It was definitely not HET (tm) behavior, even for a shitposter on stan twitter.

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5 minutes ago, liberalitea said:

he did mention women though so i'd say bi unless something changed since he was like 15/16 at the time

I wouldn't put much weight onto that line, his whole shtick was that he hated white people, so this was probably his way of joking about stealing white people's money or something. Plus, he was like 15 or something here, wasn't he? I doubt he was sincerely looking for a sugar daddy/mommy, that's literally child trafficking.

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48 minutes ago, Leylaa said:

If Sehun really is gay/bi/pan then I'm disgusted by Chen's behaviour, you can't just out someone like that

I genuinely don't think he meant anything bad by this. In his mind, he probably wasn't outing Sehun, but rather making what he thinks will be an internal joke because Sehun is out to them and they are (semi?) comfortable with it (Was it Lay who was asked which member he doesn't get along with well and he answered "Surprisingly, it's not Tao and Sehun?" Barest of minimums when it comes to the tolerance of LGBT people, we love to see it!).

I think that, because Chen lives in such a conservative society, he believes that no one would ever figure out that a person could be gay without it explicitly being stated. No hate towards Chen, but the man seems to have a peanut brain outside of this context too, so let's be understanding~.

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Sehun rumors

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Whomsties, please say sike. What is 2020 even...

PS: They are saying it's not Kang Sora with whom he had some rumors a while ago, but a non celebrity. Honestly, the coincidence is more than a bit sus to me.

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4 minutes ago, haseul said:

 

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unrelated.. but what site is this on?? been trying to find more of these forum type sites

 

It's Pann-Choa, here's the link to that comment. Someone has attempted to debunk the rumor further down the comment chain, but I literally know nothing about the other people that were mentioned, so I feel clueless. OP still hasn't provided any proof so there's that too.

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OP posted the picture

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Not much of a smoking gun, it's just him in a proximity to a female. I can see this being nothing and akgaes misusing it to start rumors. Idk, I'm not about to take out the He Could Still Be Bi (tm) card yet.

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Straight girls that identify as lesbians on twitter who thirst after kpop boys 24/7 so they have to call those actual men lesbians for "comfort," meet your newest challenger, enbys who call kpop boys she/they for comfort.

25 minutes ago, joonsoulie said:

How is it any more offensive to say someone /might/ not be cis than saying someone /might/ not be straight? Or is it just the idea of them being trans that makes you uncomfortable.

Cause thinking that someone might be gay is informed by things such as observing their attraction towards the same sex, or maybe by noticing that they express an interest in things often associated with gay culture such as certain movies, artists, etc. Thinking that someone might be trans equals to seeing gender non conformity in a person and concluding that that excludes them from their own sex. Unless there are other factors like someone saying they've seen 20 obscure movies about trans people which isn't what's going on here, it's an inherently regressive conclusion.

But hey, I do agree with you that Jimin seems very much not straight and I am always puzzled by the conclusion that he's a very masculine heterosexual man.

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2 minutes ago, joonsoulie said:

I'll agree with the rest of your point but I'm not sure the lesbophobia was needed. Lesbian women can enjoy music by men without being attracted to them, and that's not why they call men lesbians - it's a joke. No one is ACTUALLY going to believe Jungkook from BTS is a lesbian because Laura from Rhode Island says so on twitter.

And please don't call nonbinary people 'enbys' unless you are nonbinary yourself

Lesbians are not attracted to men, ever. No one said anything about enjoying their music, I'm talking about genuine thirst. I've seen literally hundreds of girls who call themselves lesbians say that they are genuinely attracted to feminine kpop boys as a way to cope with comphet. No, comphet isn't supposed to be a justification for your actual attraction to men, feminine or otherwise, you're just straight, maybe bi at best, and also homophobic. A bunch of people, especially those who are young, adopt labels that do not belong to them. Some het girls call themselves lesbians to cope with their boring personality and the fact that they are not yet comfortable dating men. They'll grow out of the homophobia, hopefully.

It's my first time hearing that enby can only be used by nonbinary people, always thought it was just a way to shorten those 2 words. I won't use it then.

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Just posting some Jo Kwon for better and gayer 2021.

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I didn't WTF it, but I don't really consider it a huge human rights victory that trans people too can now kill and die for the US imperialistic military industrial complex lol. #Equality #TransGirlBossDroneOperator

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I think that international fans have their own ideas about k-pop and they create a specific type of rumors based on that because it's always the international sasaeng info spillers that allege these amazing numbers such as half of the male idols not being straight, and they also always circulate these same rumors that Korean fans don't seem to be talking about at all. Int fans think that even up to 80% of male idols are gay, but most blinds that get translated are het in nature, so there's obviously some disconnect there in perception.

Former idols who have talked about the industry do say that gay people, of course, exist, that there's some gossip within the industry, but there hasn't been a single person even remotely implying that even 1/3 of male idols aren't straight, let alone half. Even if you account for the fact that most of these guys would be on the DL, it'd be too obvious to everyone if half of them weren't straight, and that's not how their stories paint the industry at all. To me, it comes across as a gayer place than most, but not like this gay candyland.

All that is to say that most of the stuff posted in that thread comes across as popular "sasaeng info" that gets passed around among international fans specifically (trust me, my uncle works at SM): some of it is just common sense to add some legitimacy to the "rumors" (Produce was rigged?!), but most things shouldn't be taken seriously, and likely only a few rumors are true at best.

Besides, I feel like international fans treat sasaengs as these supremely powerful secretive cabal with great intelligence network, when in reality most of them are deranged unwashed stalkers, and in overwhelming majority of the cases the only info they can get their hands on is the idol's schedule, so all they can effectively see is idols entering and exiting buildings and airports. Like, get outta here with hackers obtaining porn searches lmao. It's time to demystify sasaengs; they may know about who a select few idols are dating because there are some who are dumb enough to do it publicly, but we give them way too much credit overall.

Also, why are people negging the post of the thread darling Wonho using his Instagram as Grindr? What straight idol would literally cover his face, a thing most fangirls would be interested in, and just post photos of his crotch and ass?

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I mean, no one said in seriousness that women never ever like pictures like that, or that straight men will never ever take pictures like that. Every person is an individual, and individuals have their own unique preferences. We are just talking about what women (and in particular those who like kpop) and gay men tend to like in majority of the cases when it comes to sexy photos.

Isn't that what we normally do here anyway? The whole notion of gaydar is pretty much taking our own observations about things which gay men tend to do often (post thirst traps that have a specific aesthetic in this situation) and then applying them to idols. Those are all gonna be generalizations at the end of the day, no one here is doing any actual science.

Someone will post a picture of idol's shoes having soles with a tiny rainbow strip and that'd be an acceptable receipt, but this has started a whole discourse? Wonho's power!

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Today I've learned so many valuable things, such as that misogynistic slurs do not exist, and that when a celebrity says they are not gay in a highly conservative country, they are always 100% honest, meaning that there are officially 0 (zero) gay people in k-pop. Close the thread, I guess!

This is not cope, he could be straight for all I care, I just don't get how this is supposed to be proof of anything for any idol. No famous idol has ever answered that question with a yes. Even Key talked about liking girls lmao.

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2 hours ago, TaeBunny77 said:

Who would risk their career by going to a gay bar?

Yoo Ah In famously. Many people talk about seeing him in gay bars. I even remember one youtuber mentioning that he stood next to him in a gay bar. Sure, you ain't gonna catch anyone from BTS doing it, but there has always been talk about how you can see some idols and actors there from time to time.

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4 minutes ago, Jiminmademebitbh said:

He literally says that his attraction isn't restricted to the opposite gender, stop being a weird little phobe.

Our biweekly "What did Suga mean by this" discourse lol.

Disappointingly, not only was that statement not a confirmation of his bisexuality, but it's actually supremely heteronormative.

"Not only when it comes to the opposite sex" doesn't mean "I like both sexes," it means "Not only when it comes to dating." It's a pretty common expression in even somewhat heteronormative societies, so it's no surprise that it's commonly used in East Asian ones as well. Basically, the idea here is that people are so blissfully unaware of homosexuality, so when someone talks about "the matters regarding the opposite sex," your mind should immediately go to dating specifically.

I'd say that the chance that Suga used this expression to actually indicate that he's bi is rather unlikely, seeing as straight people use it without a thought all the time.

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A sasaeng with 100k twitter followers? So a roleplaying account?

I agree that Jungkook a het though, I have never seen a reason to think otherwise, but the rumor that Jungkook has dated 10+ different top female idols is really widely circulated. It's not some well hidden sasaeng tea at all, and I think it has way more to do with shipping than any kind of real information.

54 minutes ago, Wnnabe said:

Tori Kelly ?! Artists like Tori Kelly, Troye Sivan, Charlie Puth, Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, Lauv are all popular with the mainstream korean public. In korea being a fan of them means absolutely nothing since a ton of straight guys there love their music. 

And you can count even someone like Lady Gaga here, although to a bit of a lesser extent. I feel like if an idol likes one or two of these artists, it's really not as indicative as we'd like to believe. They are just popular artists in Korea. The sexual orientation of Western celebrities ends up feeling distant to the Korean public, and foreigners are kinda "allowed" to be different in East Asia, provided that they are not intending to stay there permanently lol. A lot of Koreans will feel comfortable going to a concert of a Western gay artist, but would never be interested in supporting an openly gay Korean one.

Now, if you're like Seungkwan who famously said "I wanted to be Adelle/Beyonce!" and "I'm Lady Gaga's and Beyonce's producer", well~...

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On 3/20/2021 at 6:48 PM, SingulariV said:

Why has 'het fangirl' or 'you won't sleep with him' become the go-to argument when people don't like what someone is saying?

I'm also confused cause I'm pretty sure like 80+% of this thread is not het so it's not the right thing to assume even just statistically speaking.

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Am I missing something? I am pretty blind so it's quite possible, but the meanest thing that was said was "it's cringe" by @Passwords  which is pretty mild from my point of view, but maybe opinions differ. I certainly had no intention to come across as snarky in what I personally wrote, just present my observations about how differently the Korean public views Western gay celebrities than we would expect, as well as plug the Seungkwan gay theory.

I think that everyone agrees with you that if someone already doesn't seem straight, listening to certain artists can seem like a further indicator. It's just not the primary indicator, that's what some of us tried to discuss (although I'm pretty sure @Kpop_fan178 didn't mean it that deeply lol).

If there are specific people that cause the state of this thread to be "devastating" with their het agenda, I think it would be good to address their posts directly because not doing so makes everyone who posted needlessly question themselves if they are part of the problem.

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8 hours ago, lilymul said:

part of the reasons can be bc of their comeback concepts but mostly they are staying fit for their schedules.

I've always felt it was because idols who have just debuted are young and therefore aiming for an underage female demographic in large part, and skinny pretty boys are a safe fantasy for those girls since they look and act so different from scary ordinary boys and men. As male idols grow older, their fans grow with them (and the sexless fantasy gets a bit juvenile with time), and idols have more power to decide what they want to do, so it's to be expected that a lot of men, when allowed, want to look, well, masculine.

I don't think there's really any kind of trend emerging, only our guy Wonho is truly fighting for muscle gay rights.

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17 minutes ago, biet said:

Oh look! Eunhyuk has a non-celebrity friend! It is time for this thread to shine! and stalking his non-celebrity friend like this thread did with Sehun and Heechul's non-celebrity friends. And since this thread is closely followed by Korean communities to spread gossip they will help that directly affect their friendship

I was with you until you said that this thread is closely followed by the Korean community. Nobody cares about the nonsense posted here. There are 86k posts here and absolutely everyone and everything has been speculated about, so anything even remotely more legitimate has been thoroughly buried. There have been cases of thousands of people spreading relatively credible rumors on stan twitter and those somehow luckily never reached Korean fans, so this thread, which is not even a blip on a radar in comparison, won't do any damage to anyone either.

Heechul and Gunhee were different since they actively advertised their relationship in order to boost Gunhee's business, but I do find it odd how sometimes 3 completely ordinary insta posts of an idol and his close friend, be they a fellow celebrity or not, are accepted as proof of a relationship. I'd add Suho to that bunch too - maybe he's dating his actor friend, I don't know, but I don't see much of a reason to believe in that based on those few sns posts they shared.

Sehun's case was particularly weird cause people were trying to figure out if the guy was married and had kids, as well as making jokes about how it's worse if he is cause he's totally Sehun's sugar daddy. If you're alleging that this random non celebrity man you know nothing about is cheating on his (potential) wife by being a sugar daddy to an extremely popular and rich male idol,  maybe it's time to step back a tiny bit and reevaluate what you're claiming.

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Heechul's feminine image was crafted by SM because he's pretty, that's it. It's not who he is and that's evident by the fact that, as he grew older, he completely shed it and only used it for humor. 

He has continuously expressed interest in significantly younger girls and named them as his ideal type, some underage (Sohee, Momo, and recently Yuna).

His ideal type is apparently "young."

He has openly dated a woman for over a year, and has most likely dated her for 4 years in reality. 

He is subscribed to a ring-wing channel that has defended the nth room.

He has openly talked about how he hates feminists.

He could film himself in bed with Gunhee (and do all the other sus stuff) precisely because he was never actually dating him. Do you see any of the obviously gay idols posting a picture like that with their supposed non celebrity boyfriends?

It's high time to wake up and smell the flowers. Heechul is friendly, funny and has embraced his gay rumors, but he's also a misogynist and a creep who likes his girls young. This man is not your sweet oppressed gay boy being forced by the Management to pretend he's dating a woman. 

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1 minute ago, Gerimolda said:

You are right omg... I just woke up. It was SM who forced him to kiss a boy in the playground when he was 9 and wrote it on his diary as his beloved secret. And I think they also forced him to wrote "I don't like women" next to his ideal type on a contacts magazine at the ripe old age of 19.

He could very well be bi, but he's still not gay, not dating Gunhee, and he was never forced into pretending to date Momo. It's weird to me to celebrate Heechul breaking up for Heechul's sake, and not for Momo's lol. Why does he consistently choose extremely young girls to obsess over? Why is he teased about liking them young by his friends? Why not choose women his age instead? 

Anyway, smell 'em 

Being portrayed as a predatory misogynistic male with a fetish for specific ethnicities is not exactly the best way to dispel gay rumors.

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12 minutes ago, Gerimolda said:

Does Korea give two shits about this? 

Or is it international fans and her fans complaining? Damn. Korea or i-fans, that's a tough decision

A good chunk of knetz do hate him for his misogyny. The fact that he follows a youtube channel that has defended the nth room was a big thing with knetz, but it somehow never got translated. But you're correct that it is international fans who are pointing out his pedophilic and fetishistic tendencies a lot more.

Still, the fact remains, why consistently choose to talk about liking extremely young girls? Having "young" as your ideal type trait is not neutral in the way that choosing "long hair" would be. The only conclusion that I can reach is that that's just what he likes and he's not afraid to say it because his career is totally secure at this point and he has gotten away with being like that for so long. 

And about Yuna @pokezuko

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So far he's just fanboying about her a bit more intensely than he reasonably should have, just like how he started with Momo. it remains to be seen if his behavior will get weirder. 

 

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40 minutes ago, LostChild said:

On another hand expressing strong interest towards underage girls, allegedly having misogynistic views and following a youtube channel championing the nth room is completely something else. If it's true (i'm trusting the user who said that but i admit i haven't seen the receipts for myself)

Some of the receipts in the spoiler, trust no one, not even yourself.

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1. The right-wing YouTuber receipt is in Korean. It got exposed when he was livestreaming and showed his YouTube page.  [link]

2. He went ballistic on a journalist who discussed how Sulli's harassment was rooted in misogyny. Heechul called the journalist an ahjussi and said that people shouldn't be making it a gender issue. He seemed to have been especially eager to sue women from a feminist website who were criticizing him for that response. [link] He has repeatedly indicated in different situations that making something a "gender issue" is unproductive in his opinion which brings me to my next point. 

3. Here is Heechul becoming upset because people were criticizing Idol School for sexualizing young girls by putting them into schoolgirl outfits and having them get wet. He somehow argued in the same breath that it does not qualify as selling sex and that women should accept that men have different tastes than them...which seem to include wet school girls, but platonically, go figure. [link]

4. I think his love for Sohee is so widely known that it doesn't need receipts, but he has talked about being in love with her since her debut which was at the age of 15. Eventually, he switched to fanboying on Twice, and now he's an ITZY stan. It's pretty obvious JYP girls are totally his type. 

5. His ideal type is "young, pretty and an idol". Referring to Momo specifically of course, but pattern recognition leads me to believe that it's also in general. [link]