Which male idols do you think are gay?

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Came across this randomly on Instagram and thought I’d share. It’s the gayest thing I’ve seen in a while lmao. Joy was like “okay girl...”

 

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on the topic of nct... i feel like jaehyun's hand lingered on jungwoo's ass a little more than usual. and his hand went kind of low...? like, i wouldnt be surprised if the tips of his fingers actually made contact with the back of jungwoo's balls given the placement. someone also mentioned that jaehyun and jungwoo are currently roommates as well. i wonder how that's going...

 

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throwback to when we had 3 members of nct in drag for halloween (ten, jungwoo, and yuta)

 

 

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1 hour ago, taeyong's panicked scream said:

that boy is obsessed with butts and he can not lie 

reminds me of this video

 

god only knows i would pay some good ass money to see wonho plow jaehyun. sorry not sorry (im quarantined and im slowly deteriorating)

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

2 hours ago, taeyong's panicked scream said:

 

 

i will never understand why people ever thought being gay was a "disease". its literally just a romantic/sexual preference and its not that deep. >_>

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5 hours ago, Josaline said:

 

This is somewhat unrelated, but I follow a lot of hot Singaporean guys on Instagram, and I'm pretty sure a lot of them are gay LOL. A few of them are in public relationships as well. So how does that work? Is it illegal also to just be gay? If it's not illegal to be in a gay relationship... gay sex is banned? How would they even monitor that, put security cameras in people's bedrooms?! This law is pointless because people are going to fuck regardless.

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15 hours ago, lighterxx said:

Yeah thats exactly how they ban, police can make arrests, but probably wont

Similar to Russia tho if im not mistaken police has alot higher arrest percentage there

13 hours ago, ribbonribbon said:

The law is even worse than being pointless. Unlawful distribution of private intimate photo/videos between two males would destroy their lives and literally (not just potentially) put them at risk. Could imagine different ways of blackmailing gay guys or destroying their career as well, because like you said, people are going to do it regardless.

That is so horrible. So what I'm getting from this is... gay people can be in public relationships, hold hands, and kiss, show affection, etc... but the moment they're caught having sex, they're criminals...? Like you said, that makes it SO easy for people that are anti-gay or anti-LGBT (these could be classmates, coworkers, or even family) to be able to blackmail or "expose" someone to destroy their careers, and their reputation. It's a system in which gay people are set up to fail. It's systematic, government mandated homophobia and prejudice at its finest. 

smh. I thought Singapore was better than that. I even considered living in SG before, but this is completely changing my perspective, and I'm glad it has, because I don't want to be anywhere that gives other people the POWER to charge me with a criminal offence for literally just existing. 

My heart goes out to LGBT people, especially LGBT-youth, in countries that have even harsher laws. Correct me if I'm wrong, but elsewhere in SEA, the penalty for "homosexuality" is stoning to death. Absolutely ridiculous! Every time I think about this, it makes me want to try even harder to support LGBT rights and activist groups around the world to protect members of our community from unfair prosecution and harm. We have to stick together!

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6 hours ago, lighterxx said:

To be honest you dont have to be gay to understand how wrong this can get, thats why i dont understand anyone in legal system of singapore now. Literally if you are decent human being you would know its shitty thing to make this law o.o i guess they are not even human. 

I agree. Gay/trans rights = human rights. But I have hope, because I think in general, the younger generations are a lot more progressive. I think things will be drastically different in a few more decades or so, after all these old relics that are in power die tf out. 

 

3 hours ago, seashells said:

I think what's missing here is that as someone who has lived in places where it's illegal or deeply frowned upon or the concept of gay doesn't 'exist', in some ways it's easy to fly under the radar of heterosexuals because you don't exist. Like you can hold hands with members of the same sex because everyone does. You can kiss them on the cheek. You can sit with your arm around them but no one would assume you are gay. I lived in places where gender segregation was also a BIG thing so it was really expected that you would always be with your same sex friends unless you were getting married. So therefore if you were actually gay, you were often overlooked or blended in. And while gay didn't exist, they figured if you were "gay" that meant you wanted to be a woman. Which ironically kind of made Trans rights more progressive because the government would pay for it and that it must be true because what man would genuinely want to give up his status as a man to be a woman unless he really is a woman. 

That's a good point. Thanks for sharing. You're right, I think the first step for governments to take is actually acknowledge the various sexualities and gender identities as valid. Unfortunately, my parents also share a lot of those misconceptions, and associate being gay with wanting to be a woman. To this day, people are still confused about sex vs. gender vs. sexuality - and we can say that it starts with education of kids in school, and it does, but we also need to reach the older generations as well. That's why representation in various forms of media is so important, because it can reach a wider audience of people. I always say, representation creates room for familiarity, and familiarity makes way for understanding, and ultimately empathy. But even before we can get fair representation, we need to stop the government from enacting these whack ass laws. That's why it's important that we fight for our rights and make our voices heard, so that things will actually change. And we'll need our straight allies too.

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18 hours ago, taeyong's panicked scream said:

i'm quoting this from an article that says "The South Korean legal system is founded on a binary model of gender based on heterosexuality", therefore we must assume that heteronormativity overpowers the culture and the general mentality that defines how femininity is perceived: no strength, no self-reliance, no leadership, no space to provide. we can also take that from the fact that SK was under military power and with remainings of the old regime in their society to this day. they're not only sexist when prescribing how women should behave, but also when degrading femininity to a place of weakness.

being feminine = womanly behavior

so a man being feminine is like he's "quitting" being a man. 

when they associate femininity to the LGBTQ, we then comprehend that being feminine, persuing some feminine trait brings dishonor upon the patriarchal standard and to a man's responsability. being a man in SK you must appear reliable, strong. if you're not in the norm, you're queer. and for them, traditionally:

liking men = feminine trait exclusive for woman

if you're in any way portraying femininity, which for them it's exclusively a woman thing, then you must be gay.

so, challenging what it means to be a man in a patriarchal society like SK's can be very frowned upon, and every stigmatized individual are all put together in the same group by the conservative people.

amongst the gay community, even if it's said as a joke, we can feel the presence of stereotypes or stigma against being a bottom, that by the traditional perception is a woman's position. you can't be feminine, it's wrong, "it's not natural for a man", for some gays even if you're gay, carrying feminine traits is not attractive. this is internalized in their social perceptions.

it's late at night here, i'm sleep and idk if i made my words clear enough but i'm triggered tday felt like writing whatever

I agree with this, but I don’t think all traditionally feminine qualities are necessarily perceived as gay. I mean, I think it’s amusing that a lot of korean guys (and I’m not talking about just celebrities) wear makeup, are into fashion, and may even get plastic surgery, yet still be perceived as “straight” by other Korean men and women. Perhaps it has to do with the extent of your interests, in those things. I think most of perceived masculinity has to do with the way you talk, the way you act, your mannerisms, body language, vocal inflections, etc. And of course, expressing your passion for pussy every chance you get.

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On 4/9/2020 at 10:08 PM, skelten said:

i know this is old news, but i’m still laughing at how sm brought taeyong to a well known gay club in south korea for his superm photoshoot, but then photoshopped the word gay out from the wall.

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This is so shady, but what’s new? The entertainment industry profiting off queer culture without giving due credit. Or in this case, literally trying to erase any trace of the queer community despite utilizing a queer space. Smh

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2 hours ago, Bushi said:

I'm not a fan or follower so will obviously bow to someone else's greater knowledge of him, but I'm curious, in what way have the public and his fans 'weirdly misunderstood' Jo Kwon's antics for the last few years? I mean, this is Korea, so I'd expect people to be scattering in all directions, denying certain things due to the societal witchhunts that go on (unrelated but poor Jungkook has again been apologising for breathing on some official footage). But I was under the impression Jo Kwon did what Jo Kwon wanted and that included the implication he was comfortable with LGBT+ outside of work. Suddenly he's saying that people jumped the gun?  

I'm just trying to understand it. Is the translation accurate, and what exactly does he class as a 'weird misunderstanding/s?' That people think he's gay, or somewhere in LGBT+, or he wants to be a 'girl' because he dances to girl groups? If that's the case, isn't it a bit late in the day to start worrying when that's been his style pretty much since day one? 

Does anyone think he's being leaned on? And if so, why? I mean I have no fixed opinion on his sexuality. It just strikes me he's another one who seems to have done a 180 after a long time of basically allowing his fans to believe he's queer. 

Maybe going to the army had something to do with it. Korean male society can already be pretty toxic as it is, so I can’t even imagine how it would be as a soldier lol that would be hell.

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1 hour ago, witchcocktor said:

He literally met Holland when he was in the army, and going back a few pages you can see the first few recorded videos when he got out of the army were nothing sort of his usual shenanigans. 

I don't follow jo kwon at all so tbh I'm probably not the best person to ask about him. But seeing this, and seeing his alleged comments... I don't understand why he would act one way and then say the opposite, especially when everyone already perceives him a certain way based on his actions. I just thought maybe he still has a lot of internalized homophobia and going to the army pushed it further inside of him. I don't think anyone, in or outside of Korea would be surprised if he came out, so it seems like the only person stopping him, is him. 

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On 4/27/2020 at 3:25 AM, nuclearwalrus said:

https://twitter.com/jaehyunbom__/status/1254376287994408966

Jungwoo back at it

I mean. If I can’t fuck Jaehyun, I hope Jungwoo does

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3 hours ago, 3/4illustrator said:

He refused Jungwoo so...

 

lmao yeah I was just joking, but this post is a little sad to see though...

as a long time fan of kpop and an older gaysian myself (k im not old, im in my mid 20s), like, there's 2 sides to this. on one hand, i feel like jungwoo is smarter than people think he is. he's a sly man and he's very aware of fans. he strikes me as the type of idol that does a lot of gay baiting and milks the fans' attention for all its worth when it comes to shipping himself with other members. for that reason, its hard to tell if hes actually interested in dudes, or if hes just a feminine straight guy that plays up his "confident gay" image for fanservice and because hes an attention whore (i might get negged for saying this, but idc, its what i see lol).

if we're gonna be real for a sec, jaehyun on the other hand IMO is the straightest guy in NCT aside from mark and johnny. i like to make jokes saying he'd fuck jungwoo and etcetc too, and he does play with his members (ie slapping jungwoo's butt) but i dont have a doubt in my mind that he likes girls. we have to remember that korea is still very much a conservative society that teaches boys to be hypermasculine and heteronormative. kpop kind of strays away from that sometimes, but just watching jaehyun for the years that ive been a fan, i can tell that doing certain things as an idol unsettles him, and he strives to regain his "manhood" by being excessively competitive and athletic whenever he can. imo, someone that actually is gay/bi/queer would be a little more relaxed being a kpop idol instead of trying to actively compensate for it. this tweet is proof of that lol

we also have to realize that idol personalities are incredibly manufactured and censored. before debut, literally there will be a group of executives, managers, and maybe even lee soo man himself sitting around a table in a board room, discussing each member and deciding what their personality will be, what their "image" to fans should be, etcetc. like. youre the "cute" one, youre the "sexy" one, youre the "funny" one. these idols are taught how to behave on variety shows, how to speak to fans, etc and im 100% aware that the members and SM themselves are aware of all those "gaynct" and "gay panic" fanvideos on youtube. they play it up for fanservice because 2 things never change: sex sells, and gay baiting sells. sadly, its always been this way. the reason why this is problematic is because its literally 90% cisgendered straight teen fangirls that fetishize gay relationships. they fawn over their "oppas" being "confident gays" or "panicked gays" but when it comes to ACTUAL gay rights, theyre mute. 

i dont doubt that there probably are 1-3ish gay/bi members in NCT, but it's hard to analyze when everything we see is funneled through an idol manufacturing corporation. there's probably a sliver of truth in there, but its hard.

anyway, sorry for the rant lol i digressed a bit there. but i said all this to say.... jungwoo is an attention whore and jaehyun is a dudebro. i still think the only gay/bi members are ten and possibly taeyong. they both have that awkward step to their behaviour that IMO, isnt attributed to their "shyness" or "quirkiness" but that low level of discomfort in social situations that all of us gays have when we're closeted to a group of people lol. lucas is a bit of an exception, because although he is obviously into women and falls into that hypermasculine heteronormative dudebro trap, i do feel like he would be open to fucking a hot fem guy, just because hes a narcissist and cares more about himself being the dominant one during sex than the gender of the person he's fucking lol

Edited May 6, 2020 by jeong jaehyuns boyfriend

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28 minutes ago, 3/4illustrator said:

I know you were joking. I mean, who doesn't want to sleep with Jeong Jaehyun, right? And sorry for bursting your bubble in empahsizing his straightness but yay for me as a female-identified person? lololol

Thank you for the detail analysis and I resonate deeply with what you said. It's hard to read Jungwoo as he plays up his image, geniune or not, and queerbaits often. I see similar qualities from Baekhyun in EXO, Haechan, and Jaemin - difficult to tell if they are simply very playful and affectionate straight guys, or something else.

For Jaehyun, you've mostly persuaded me to believe he is indeed straight although likely very adventurous and kinky in relationships with women. Now I look back to NCT Night Night where he had some "coupley" skits/scenarios with Johnny, he did play it up but possibly because he knew Johnny is straight with a stereotypical masculine appearance (hence no worries on them being read as gay, but rather just bros acting out a skit). On the other hand, Jungwoo has a more feminine image/persona, Jaehyun is quick on drawing the line to avoid being read as queer together with JW.

But then in addition to Korea's conservative hypermasculine culture that you've noted, I wonder if Jaehyun's affluent upbringing in an upper/upper-middle class environment had conditioned him into believing and practising certain societal expectations? And did entering trainee life as a pre-teen push him to completely separate his private life with his public image? We'll never have an answer, but I'm curious on whether Jaehyun is performing hypermasculinity out of habit, because he'd been asked and expected to (hello prince charming of NCT), or he's actually hiding some sh!t really well. I mean I'm queerasian too, and 95% I'm being read as straight even in LGBT+ Asian settings, possibly due to my lack of visibly queer acting markers? Alright sorry I don't even know what my point is anymore.

Lucas though... very well said  He does look like the type who doesn't care as long as he doesn't deviate from his usual dominant role and getting pleasure from the action.

And you really believe Ten and maybe TY are the only queer ones in NCT/WayV, and no one else gave you a raised eyebrow?? I guess 1:10 the math is right...

Queer Asians unite  No worries, I knew you were joking, and I didn't mean to turn a lighthearted conversation into an analysis. Sorry if I came off like a bit of a bitch! Jaehyun's just been on my nerves lately and I felt like reading him LOL. He STILL refuses to follow anyone on Instagram (not even his own members), he quit Animal Crossing (!) even though Taeyong gave him money, and now this. Imma fight him lmao 

Also, thanks for your thoughtful responses. I agree, I see Jungwoo in a similar category as Haechan/Jaemin. They're all somewhat queerbait-y, and they interact with the fans a lot not only because they have to, but because I think they like the attention. As a result, they're probably among the members with the most "gay panic" and "confident gay" videos and memes. The fact that they probably know these are out there and still continue to push the "gay" fanservice on us (I mean, Jungwoo asking us if we're jealous that he shares a bed with Jaehyun is the definition of queerbait fanservice lol) suggests to me that they're probably not gay, because someone closeted would typically tone it down after their sexuality becomes a topic of discussion (i.e. like Ten and Taeyong have). 

Baekhyun is a little different because although he likes being the center of attention too, he hasn't been that explicit when it comes to fanservice. I think in his case, he has a bit of an inferiority complex when it comes to his own masculinity, and it manifests in being insecure around guys that are "manlier" than him (i.e. Chanyeol, Kris, Lucas; him being shorter doesn't help either lol).

I think you hit the nail on the head about Jaehyun. I do think he changes his demeanour a little depending on who he hangs out with. His dynamic with Johnny is very fratboy bro so he's a little freer around him, whereas Jungwoo is naturally very feminine, so like you said, Jaehyun's a bit more self-conscious around him. I remember during one random clip during Limitless era, Johnny was telling a story how Jaehyun likes strongly scented candles, which made it hard for Johnny to sleep (they were roommates at the time), but they had talked it out. Jaehyun ended the conversation with "we'll sleep together tonight anyway" and Johnny immediately clarified, saying something along the lines of "that sounds weird for men to say, we are sleeping on separate beds". I don't think Jaehyun was being purposefully suggestive, but he's lax talking that way around Johnny because he knows Johnny is straight af. In contrast, if you remember that vlive with Kun, Jaehyun, and Jungwoo, Jungwoo was ALL OVER Jaehyun. If it was anyone else, I don't think Jaehyun would be uncomfortable being touchy on camera, but because it was Jungwoo, Jaehyun was repeatedly moving his hands away and at one point, even asked for space.

You raise some interesting questions about Jaehyun too~ We'll never know for sure, but I do think it's a combination of what you mentioned - he performs masculinity because he was conditioned to by Korean society, and being pinned as NCT's "resident sweetheart" and "nation's first love" isn't helping.

He honestly strikes me as someone that used to be really skinny and awkward growing up, but then got good looking really fast and all of a sudden was thrust into a position where he was "cool" and handsome. So while he appears stoic on the outside, he still has the personality of someone who used to be kinda lame LOL.

Okay sorry, I'm reading him too much lol I don't hate him I swear, he's my bias lmao (I have the username to prove it!). 

And yeah, unfortunately (lol) Taeyong and Ten are the only ones in NCT that give me gay/bi teas. Not counting Lucas's narcissistic ass lol

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

im so tired of our community being demonized for no fucking reason. we're literally in the middle of a global pandemic right now, and these people's biggest concern is someone's sexual orientation and/or gender identity. like. what. the well being of your entire country is at stake and you're worried about someone's sexuality? give me a fucking break. i understand that it's difficult to go against the beleifs and values you were raised with and that have been instilled in you since childhood, but if you're a grown ass functional adult, there's no excuse. if you don't have the ability to think for yourself, you're just a follower. it's sad. 

i hope that the government and public health sector can continue to protect the privacy and preserve the anonymity of LGBTQ+ individuals who get testing, regardless of the cries of these homophobic "christian" groups. the only issue is whether or not anyone in their government holds similar beliefs, which is very much a possibility. i dont know enough about korean politics to say, but i can only hope that theyre able to separate church and state. 

Edited May 13, 2020 by jeong jaehyuns boyfriend

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On 5/28/2020 at 10:55 PM, Crystal Sprite said:

Thank you, like I hate the assumptions made on many Christians like I'm literally Catholic but that does not mean I'm homophobic. 

I agree that not all Christians are homophobic, but the Christian Church is by large, an intrinsically homophobic institution and has a history of anti-LGBTQIA+ violence and oppression. To this day, many "Christian" radicalist groups still cite the bible to rationalize hate crimes. And that's something that all Christians need to acknowledge and actively denounce if they want to be an ally. And I'm not talking about your local, gay-friendly church but the church as a whole lol. Not trying to hate on religion though, I myself was raised Catholic and I'm gay, but I distanced myself from the church as I got older for my own wellbeing lol.

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On 5/27/2020 at 8:47 PM, taeyong's panicked scream said:

i used to like a korean-chinese group called timeZ, but they went on a long hiatus/disbanded

back in the day i used to think there was at least one gay member. the ones who pinged me the most were were yichen, mao ruo yi and shu hang but this thread didn't exist at the time lol.

yichen is the one wearing black and ruoyi is the one with that ugly ass mustard scarf. the other one wearing a yellow coat is kong shuhang. from your left to your right we see hyungjoo (appeared in ulzzang generation really briefly and speaks fluent mandarin), taku who's is also korean and harry who's chinese.

anyway, it doesn't really matter anymore now that most of them are more like common civilians now, but i wanted to post it here since i've come across mao ruo yi pictures on instagram. he became a model and he follows a lot of interesting people like ricky martin and his husband and exchanges hearts with fellow male instagram models. i thought he had a girlfriend so it is confusing to see that my suspicions from that time might be right. he's now a flight attendant, he sings, models and dances, but support him even though he's not an idol anymore. what do you think? i might be wrong, but his pictures are so loud...

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 this one made me laugh that's why i put it here 

 

 this is not him tho

ruo yi and yichen were superb traditional dancers, it got nothing to do with their sexuality but since you guy might not know them i'll put it under the spoilers. they were really pretty

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ruo yi (he goes by "nick" now) and yichen on happy camp

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omg yes! i actually followed nick/ruoyi on instagram before i found out he was in a group. i only found out because he posted some nostalgia pics in the past where he was singing and dancing, and someone in the comments said something about timez.

im pretty sure nick is gay, he has mutual follows with a lot of other instagram influencers that are gay asian men (edisonfanye, leewoon19, etcetc) and i once found him on a chinese blog post that was listing/discussing influential gay chinese instagrammers.

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34 minutes ago, Crystal Sprite said:

Is leewoon19 an out gay or just a model cause he replied to question if he was gay and he responded with a no? 

oh right, i forgot about that. but i do remember seeing that comment. i dont want to start rumours about him if theyre not true, but personally im still suspicious lol

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On 5/27/2020 at 8:47 PM, taeyong's panicked scream said:

i used to like a korean-chinese group called timeZ, but they went on a long hiatus/disbanded

back in the day i used to think there was at least one gay member. the ones who pinged me the most were were yichen, mao ruo yi and shu hang but this thread didn't exist at the time lol.

yichen is the one wearing black and ruoyi is the one with that ugly ass mustard scarf. the other one wearing a yellow coat is kong shuhang. from your left to your right we see hyungjoo (appeared in ulzzang generation really briefly and speaks fluent mandarin), taku who's is also korean and harry who's chinese.

anyway, it doesn't really matter anymore now that most of them are more like common civilians now, but i wanted to post it here since i've come across mao ruo yi pictures on instagram. he became a model and he follows a lot of interesting people like ricky martin and his husband and exchanges hearts with fellow male instagram models. i thought he had a girlfriend so it is confusing to see that my suspicions from that time might be right. he's now a flight attendant, he sings, models and dances, but support him even though he's not an idol anymore. what do you think? i might be wrong, but his pictures are so loud...

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 this one made me laugh that's why i put it here 

 

 this is not him tho

ruo yi and yichen were superb traditional dancers, it got nothing to do with their sexuality but since you guy might not know them i'll put it under the spoilers. they were really pretty

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ruo yi (he goes by "nick" now) and yichen on happy camp

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On 5/27/2020 at 9:45 PM, bb8__ said:

Wow i had come across mao ruo yi ig before and didn't know that he was in a group...also he's def gay or at least not str8 lol he follows a lot of the same guys i follow and most of the guys i follow are gay.

On 6/2/2020 at 6:37 PM, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

omg yes! i actually followed nick/ruoyi on instagram before i found out he was in a group. i only found out because he posted some nostalgia pics in the past where he was singing and dancing, and someone in the comments said something about timez.

im pretty sure nick is gay, he has mutual follows with a lot of other instagram influencers that are gay asian men (edisonfanye, leewoon19, etcetc) and i once found him on a chinese blog post that was listing/discussing influential gay chinese instagrammers.

On 6/2/2020 at 7:12 PM, Crystal Sprite said:

Is leewoon19 an out gay or just a model cause he replied to question if he was gay and he responded with a no? 

On 6/2/2020 at 7:31 PM, bb8__ said:

He's from sk so I guess he's not out, but if u follow his ig it's pretty obvious. 

to follow up on this conversation on nick and leewoon... so this happened the other day

if u go into the comments, nick left a message saying "miss u " and leewoon responed with "(you) too". obviously this isnt proof of anything, but this isnt the first interaction they theyve had together (they also hung out together in korea once)... theyre also 2 of the guys that i suspect are DL, so... ill let your imagination fill in the rest lol

 

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On 10/15/2020 at 2:17 AM, Altana said:

my opinion will not be popular, but it seems to me that Kun is either bi or gay. His relationship with Chenle seems suspicious to me.

girl, no. chenle is kun's literal child lol theyre good friends, kun is a mom to all the dreamies

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13 hours ago, Altana said:

do you think Kuhn is straight, not LGBT? and why?

i dont really have compelling evidence one way or another, i just really dont think his relationship with chenle is "suspicious". also, kun is like, 5 years older than chenle and he literally met him when he was like, 14/15 years old. thats just creepy to think that they had anything. chenle JUST turned 18. to insinuate that they had any sort of relationship beyond friendship is inappropriate, as far as im concerned. ive been an NCT fan since SM Rookies, and ive never, ever looked at kun and chenle's relationship that way. thats just freaking weird.

kun is a motherly figure to all the boys in nct dream, especially chenle, renjun, jisung, and even jeno and jaemin because he didnt have very many activities after he was revealed in 2015. he had some features here and there, but his real debut was with wayv in 2019. so he was basically in limbo for 4 years, and during that time, he actually shared a dorm with the dream members at one point (minus mark and haechan, who lived with 127). if i had to pick, id say that kun is straight just from the times that hes described his ideal type or whatever in wayv interviews. ive posted my opinions on nct/wayv a few times before, but the members that i think are non-straight are ten who i think is gay, taeyong who i think is bi, and lucas who i think is bicurious/fluid as long as he's the dom/top LOL

Edited October 21, 2020 by jeong jaehyuns boyfriend

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8 minutes ago, JiminsOppa said:

Do you think maybe that young kpop fans 'read into things' because they are queer and are trying to enjoy kpop in the same way that non queer people inherently get to? By finding it relatable and safe? Like...is it really that big of a deal if queer fans eg enjoy Jimin's hair colour in Butter, even though its likely entirely meaningless, just because it makes them feel better? Recent survey's of Korean people living in Korea showed that queerphobia is still super entrenched there, so I have no idea why anyone would begrudge young queer kids on twitter trying to engage with Kpop in a way that actually makes them feel seen. It kind of comes across as malicious to me when kpop fans who are queer are dragged for reading queerness into things but its totally normal for straight fans to assume idols are dating or flirting with everyone of the opposite sex they even look at.

Not to mention, a lot of Kpop artists have done genuinely queer positive things. Taehyung and Hobi have acknowledged pride flags and lgbt signs at concerts and Taehyung went on a vlive and complained about not being able to do a Christmas song duet with Jimin because it would come across as certain way (ie gay). Felix has done a few cool things, so has Rose, CL etc. I think it's pretty clear when someone like Holland is met with difficulty and is only now really the first open idol during his peak career, that its a bit weird to say 'why aren't BTS running around with pride flags and kissing boys in their MV, wow not good enough'. The reality is, if there's a queer member in BTS, they might not ever feel able to come out because of how iconic BTS has become. What's sad is that there are almost certainly Kpop stars who very much know what a rainbow flag means and wish they could interact with it, or who do in some way and have it explained away with 'Korean people don't know what it means ever'.

Most people don't look at Hobi's 'bisexual lighting' and actually think it means anything. They are literally just trying to be able to relate to the artist and the content in an industry (kpop) that has consistently used homoerotic skin ship and fan service to bring fans in and make money anyway. Like...why is it a problem for queer fans to play into that but if straight girls obsessively ship members together its just normal fan stuff? 

i agree with parts of your comment, but we have to remember that the majority of fans that are pushing this queer narrative are cishet teenage girls, which itself is v problematic imo. if queer kids are finding ways to see themselves in their favourite forms of media, i agree that that's absolutely fine. that's how i survived on heteronormative media growing up as a kid too lol. but imo, i feel really uncomfortable when non queer people do that, and i also dont think we should be pushing our speculations of their sexuality or relationships onto the actual idols themselves, such as commenting under their social media or even going to fanmeet events and spouting that bs. 

i also kind of agree with the other user in that while it's perfectly fine to want to see yourself reflected in your fav idols (sometimes by using imagination, such as shipping or writing fanfics), we shouldn't seek validation from those idols as queer "icons" because they're most likely uneducated when it comes to LGBTQ+ issues. you even said it yourself, that south korea still has a lot of anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment - that includes many of these idols because they are also korean and born and raised in sk, so many of them may have these same close minded views. we also have to remember that these companies and the idols themselves are very likely aware of fandom culture, shipping, etc and will absolutely utilize that for profit via queerbaiting, fanservice, etc. so some of the supposed "gay moments' or "gay support" from idols might not be genuine.

a safe space for me as a gay kpop fan for as long as i remember has always been fanfiction - its purely imaginary (ie not dependent on the real words or actions of anybody) and as long as its kept within the community, its entirely separate from the idols themselves irl, so they never have to see it or engage with it unless they choose to. 

idk if any of my comment made sense, this might just be me rambling at 3am lol.

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

On 12/25/2021 at 9:01 AM, tomek said:

invade the privacy that he chose to expose on his own instagram? 

he knows he's a celebrity and he knows the consequences, but he still decided to be more open about his relationship

stop trying to victimize him based on the perspective that something bad is happening

this is a very short sighted take on this situation, imo. regardless of what has been posted on instagram, nothing has been directly confirmed by him or his alleged boyfriend, which means that everything about their relationship is still speculation, no matter how convinced you are. declaring someone else's relationship and sexuality in a very public manner as fact without their consent is the definition of outing someone. even if those ambiguous instagram photos are deliberately meant to be a clue, that is not the same as coming out. if he's going to come out, it should be on his terms and no one else's - certainly not the media's. it's very possible to show glimpses of your life to the public while also wishing to keep the details of your personal relationships private, except to those that you choose. every gay person knows this. if you didnt have these issues, then good for you, but that is not everyone's experience. and if you arent gay then you shouldnt be speaking on this at all.

Edited December 27, 2021 by jeong jaehyuns boyfriend

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21 minutes ago, miwa201 said:

I also think Jungkook is straight but the thing is simply that shippers don't technically care about their sexualities. They just want them to be together period. It's essentially a fantasy, or a fanfic that's come to life. Lbr a lot of them are straight women so it's not genuine support. I recently stumbled upon a tumblr where they listed out a taekook timeline (talk about being jobless) which essentially said that Taehyung and Jungkook have been dating since 2015. You expect me really to believe that these young men (Jungkook isn't even 25 yet) have been in long term relationship for six years now? Lmao. Lately they're all emphasizing Jungkook's "dainty" mannerisms which is exactly what they did to Taehyung before he had an image change in 2020. It's all really performative.

Popularity affects these kind of talks and it always will. People like RM who are at the bottom are able to skate by bc they don't have these kind of obsessive fans. It's the same everywhere. If Taeil was doing half the shit Taeyong does would he be discussed as much in this thread? Probably not.

psst *whispers* shipper here. i dont think it's fair to make blanket statements about all shippers being delusional straight teenage girls (there's also nothing wrong with being a straight teenage girl that ships idols). a large chunk of the shipping community imo knows how to separate fiction from reality, and keep their shipping contained to fanfics or online communities (forums, twitter, etc). of course, you have a vocal subset that are genuinely delusional and will bring their delusions to the idols themselves at fansigns, on social media, etc (which is where i draw the line and agree that they should face retribution) but that doesnt represent all shippers. the reason why a lot of people ship couples is because they're compensating for representation that they never had by reading a romance into celebrities or characters. there's no shortage of straight media, but a lot of the times, women characters are portrayed in misogynistic or sexist ways. queer people of course also dont have many couples to look to, so we find ourselves drawn to subtle interactions and subtext, and reimagine relationships into ones we would like to see (or imagine ourselves in). as a gay asian kid that grew up on fandom culture and fanfics, i fell in this category too. even as a 20-something year old now, i still engage in shipping such as by writing fics while of course, being able to separate reality and fiction. if anything, im actually quite cynical of a lot of the idols in this thread that have been speculated to be gay. 

that being said, i do agree that there are A LOT of problematic "shippers" (armys on stan twt seem more numerous, but its simply because there are more armys overall) that whether intentionally or not, spread harmful stereotypes about the gay community and may even harrass the idols themselves with their own narratives. this obviously is wrong. but as long as they keep it amongst themselves within the community, i dont really see a problem with it. many of these fans are young and will grow out of it in time. many are learning about relationships for the first time, and i think it's actually a lot safer and healthier to do it in this way than to experience potentially dangerous and traumatic things irl. 

Edited January 30, 2022 by jeong jaehyuns boyfriend
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