Which male idols do you think are gay?

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3 hours ago, lighterxx said:

perhaps people against LGBT are atm in powerful positions, and they might seem like a threat? but im just saying this with my own tinfoil hat 

I think it's more like, LGBT rights have come to the forefront in the political debate. Conservative leaders of course are vocal about their opposition, so people are more vocal about it and unafraid to voice their opinions.

It's been the same in every country going through these debates. Anti-LGBT attitudes are just exacerbated by the fact LGBT rights are discussed, because conservatives just don't want things to change. It doesn't mean society is moving backwards - just that it's more polarized on that specific issue. 

People in power haven't changed much in the last two years, however there were elections recently (April 15th), and the current president is doing a pretty good job, so conservatives really only had the "values" angle to rally their supporters. So the anti-LGBT discourse has grown - doesn't mean more people are turning against the gays, just that existing positions are voiced more openly.

The sad reality is that every western country had to go through the same thing. In order for LGBT rights to actually advance, you have to put them at the center of the political debate, and it will inevitably enhance the opposing party's voice on the issue.

People don't want political debates in their entertainment, atm being gay has become something political rather than a potential joke, so they'll stop mentioning it in variety shows. I think that's why Jo Kwon denies gay rumors, Heechul is suddenly dating the girl he denied dating six months prior, and they won't invite the only openly out gay celebrity on variety shows anymore. Nobody wants variety shows to become political.

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5 hours ago, ga_shina said:

The government is blaming the LGB because it’s easier than saying they made a mistake. It wasn’t just bars that were open and people were out almost like before. If establishments are open it makes sense that people will go. The government shouldn’t have opened things back up so soon. 
Korea your homophobia is showing. 

South Korea was never on lockdown,  they've only imposed quarantine on people who have tested positive for COVID and those who were in contact with them. They managed to contain the epidemic through widespread testing and contact tracing. The number of new cases had become very low so people felt safe enough to stop social distancing.

And "the government" has nothing to do with blaming the LGBT community, it's the media that blew the issue up and started to point fingers. The South Korean president has shown he's open minded personally, just won't make laws about it because at this point it would look authoritative, and it's opposite of his party line. 

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9 hours ago, jeongin hypewoman said:

to piggyback on your post; any opinions on stray kids? changbin, hyunjin and minho canNot be straight. i am also a bit ??? ???? over seungmin cuz i thought he was straight for a whole year of stanning skz but i have just now started to see the light lmao

Tbh Seungmin is a very private person, I've been into Skz since predebut and he's always been a giant question mark for me.

Hyunjin is obvious because he's the opposite, super open and sincere all the time. He just wears his heart on his sleeve... you could argue that the Jinyoung crush was just platonic hero worship, but there are so many other suspicious moments since, I'd be extremely surprised to learn it wasn't romantic.

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53 minutes ago, jeongin hypewoman said:

On a side note, do you guys have any korean lgbt movie recommendations? or series that spend time focusing on a queer character's pov?

If you haven't watched it, At Eighteen has a secondary gay character (still pretty important role) and his arc was among the best written things in the show IMO (and at least it's a bit conclusive, unlike a lot of other arcs that are aborted or rushed). It's pretty realistic, so don't expect only sunshine and rainbows, but the character is very sympathetic, and is well developed outside of the fact that he's gay (even if it's the center of his personal arc, he's not defined by it).

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4 hours ago, Bushi said:

 

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And also why Holland, a lone artist with no group support, has the biggest balls of any of them given what he'll openly have to face when he joins up. And that's not a slam on anyone who ducks the issue, each to their own and you deal with it in your own way. But he'll have no denials to fall back on. His entire career has been about being openly gay and very vocal. No backtracking for him, I'll bet.  

 

Holland has already served. Most Korean men do their service early, typically after their first year of college.

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2 hours ago, Thatoneuser said:

I see, interesting points. I wouldn't say he's so introverted though, his mbti is ESTP. Or maybe he just doesn't see himself accurately? I don't know him personally so I can't say for sure, but I think he took the test online and not professionally, so I wouldn't trust that either anyways. 

Reminder that introverted and extroverted aren't classifications on how you externally interact with people, but on how their presence affects you internally. Extroverts gain energy from other people's presence, while introverts are drained by social interactions and need time alone to recharge. Some extroverts are shy while still enjoying being surrounded by other people, and some introverts are talkative if not loud but need to be alone to relieve stress.

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2 hours ago, Inherited Light said:

But then again, Amber? Liking guys? Pshhhh. 

The B in LGBT is there for a reason.

Edited June 26, 2020 by reiichi

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1 hour ago, Kpop_fan178 said:

Hi guys! I am curious about what do you think about Kang Daniel. I know he is dating Jihyo but he could also be bi or idk something else. What is suspicious to me about him is the fact that he is close friends with Sehun, Chanyeol and Baekhyun. In a variety show where they collect tangerines(LOL) he also said he used to hang out with Sehun and we all know how gay Sehun is.

Daniel is a social butterfly so his friendships aren't any indication lol. He's at the very least open minded and just as comfortable with male attention that he is with female attention (judging by his sweet interactions with fanboys, and how unbothered he seemed by Mark's crush on him in It's Dangerous Beyond the Blankets).

Frankly the only thing that ever made me think that Daniel might be attracted to men is his reaction to shirtless Wonho and er, he might just have been impressed because it's a sight. Daniel rarely has sexually charged interactions with anyone tbh.

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34 minutes ago, TataBoo said:

I meant to say Seventeen but I kept writing Stray Kids lol. I agree with you that Felix, Changin, and Minho aren't straight, but may I know why you think Hyunjin is sus?

He used to have a big crush on Jinyoung of GOT7 and didn't even try to hide it.

Also Daewhi calls him his best friend and we were just talking about friend circles so...

 

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2 hours ago, flowflow said:

I said this before, Bogum being part of a religious cult, a cult he was raised in since he was a kid, doesn't make him suddenly straight. He still pings to me.

This. Being raised in a homophobic environment doesn't make a gay man straight, it just makes him repressed and self-hating.

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1 hour ago, blossoms said:

People on twitter are currently discussing this Jeongin moment
 

he's living his best life good for him!

This isn't anything suspicious, just random skinship lol. The whole group is comfortably touchy with each other and exaggerate it for the sake of fanservice.

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26 minutes ago, Melany said:

no, i won't, i will talk here about who i feel is straight or gay how much i want and you can't do anything about it. homosexuality won't even exist without heterosexuality, your parents are heterosexual right?  you wouldn't be born if they didn't copulate.

I'm a bisexual woman who's married to a man and has two kids.

Being in a serious relationship with someone of the opposite sex doesn't make me or anyone straight. 

Edited September 21, 2020 by reiichi

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5 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

Rules of BTS's new game like "Sims." 

If they didn't have this rule you can be certain 95% of user generated content would be shipping.

 

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1 hour ago, dumdidumdi said:

Stupid expectation when the shipping community is so big, but also double stupid because Bighit queerbaits them so much, especially in the BU.

Not a stupid expectation, they just don't want the platform to be overtaken by shippers, and if they didn't forbid it that's what would have happened.

Also I suppose that moderation will be somewhat automated and largely based on user reports ; if they allowed shipping content, there would have been mass reporting anyway because of ship wars. So this is a way of keeping typical twitter drama off the game.

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43 minutes ago, dumdidumdi said:

It's stupid to expect that people won't make stories about their favorite ships when they foster that by capitalizing on the most popular ship at the time in every VCR, music video and even who they pair up for vlives. It's not stupid to want them to not be shipped, but it's stupid to expect that.

They don't expect fans to stop making stories about their ships, they just want to stop people from making them public through their platform, which is quite different.

 

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2 hours ago, dumdidumdi said:

Again, I wasn't talking about what is reasonable for them to want, I was talking about what is reasonable to expect.

My point is that they expect that shippers would want to make that game their playground, but they don't want it to happen, so they wrote that rule down.

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1 hour ago, Wdojcdid8 said:

Could this be the reason why he "left" ?

Honestly there's nothing really sus about Hwall's departure, he had severe health problems (such as a bad ankle injury) that prevented him from dancing ,so he left the group, but the agency didn't end his contract and they're still supporting him as a soloist and now actor. Here's the statement about his departure and his letter to fans :

https://www.soompi.com/article/1360811wpp/the-boyz-announces-hwalls-departure-from-group

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7 hours ago, dumdidumdi said:

It's not even that OT because it's a very explicit book about a bisexual man and his sex and drug fueled escapades. It's called "Almost Transparent Blue" and for whatever reason NCTzens are trying to start fan wars over it. He talked about it in 2015, but it gets brought up every so often. It's quite controversial, but for this thread it does point to his open-mindedness if not his... potential not straightness. Namjoon said he got "second-hand satisfaction" from the book.

I tried to find a source that isn't straight up hate or misrepresenting things, but it proved more difficult than I thought. This also happens to detail his past LGBT support, the whole thread is worth a read.

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The controversy is that many people believe that the book fetishizes black women and Namjoon in turn did so too by reading the book. Some say that it depicts scenes where there's no consent. Others are upset by the simple fact that it's quite explicit.

 

About the supposedly "controversial" content... a lot of books have characters who do despicable things, doesn't mean the author endorses everything they do ? But this requires more than surface understanding of what you're reading, and a lot of people nowadays seem to not understand any kind of nuance. I'm kinda appalled this whole conversation even happens, when I could get the characters aren't supposed to be heroic role models by reading a three sentence summary of the book...

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10 minutes ago, TataBoo said:

Btw with Jimin being popular with straight guys, I had a feeling that was the case since the fandom often jokes about it lol.

It's become a joke because of the numerous very straight talk show hosts and youtubers visibly falling in love with Jimin on camera. "The jimin effect" is real, and probably stems from the fact that Jimin has an overall very androgynous vibe (looks, voice and demeanor), and is effortlessly charming. 

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41 minutes ago, Baby_Lion said:

Talking about BTS “fanservice” https://youtu.be/y74H_WqREZs 

Jungkook fancam but “accidentally” filmed a Jimin Jungkook moment.

This only proves they're naturally touchy with each other ? I see nothing sexual here, Korean men are just much more open to displaying physical affection with their friends than you may be used to.

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4 hours ago, lighterxx said:

Peeps what do you think of this group?

here is some general info about them

https://unitedkpop.com/2014/08/teaser-tuesday-nature-of-man/

do you think its queerbaiting or do we finally have at least a very tiny company making some moves?

The inclusion of girls in their MVs has always looked like an attempt at getting the gayness past the radar.

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15 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

Yeah I agree on the translation part, it can be that he meant to say something else entirely. 

On his preference, I don't think he is straight, but who knows maybe he can suprise us. Isn't he religious as well? Must be difficult for him to put those two worlds together.

Yes he's catholic, but the way he uses religious imagery in his music videos just shows how conflicted about it he is ? He very clearly paints himself as a sinner, and the guilt he displays could totally be related to orientation.

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13 hours ago, TataBoo said:

I want to know what people think of Enhypen. Does anyone have any thoughts on them?

They're young and most of them probably haven't figured themselves out.

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7 hours ago, laestrygonian said:

 2) is almost certainly going to head back to China soon (if he's not back already) and disappear into C-ent.

I think that Zihao really loves to dance, and he knows very well that a standard celebrity career in China means a lot of acting/TV and very little singing/dancing. So I think he's still going to try for an Korean or Japanese career - a sign of this being his upcoming joint fanmeet with Takuto.

Not too sure about the assumption that Haruto would have a crush on him though. IMO the 'husband' thing was just a joke between the members of the Supercharger team. Just like Haruto calling Woonggi/Seowon 'unnie' ; calling them 'hyung' instead is just the standard idol thing of being more formal in public, because you don't want to appear as rude to onlookers. They knew the practice cams were being filmed so it wasn't particularly private, it was just them dropping formalities because it was just them in the room.  And it's not like these three made any attempt to make watchers think they were straight lol.

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16 minutes ago, Bushi said:

PS, never write off Namjoon. 

Honestly, I've always seen Namjoon as a very supportive ally. He's a true progressive and imo his support of LGBT rights simply mirrors his support of women's rights. His interest in queer media isn't necessarily an indication he's queer himself, but he like, wants to understand queer people on an intellectual and emotional level, because he wants to be a good ally for queer people around him (potentially, including some of his fellow members). I could be wrong of course, he's a very cerebral person so he might also be someone who's mostly attracted to a person's mind and personality, with their physical appearance (including gender) not being as much of a factor.