Which male idols do you think are gay?

[moth]

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back on oh for the first time in a while, but for those that don't know, basquiat and schiele were both lgbt (or lgbt-inclined, in schiele's case) artists. this is like the 7th lot of artists now that he's mentioned liking that are lgbt.

 

schiele has a lot of paintings depicting lesbian relations, along with naked men etc., and one of his paintings 'double self portrait' shows him with another male, although it's unknown if that's meant to be gay or just like a double personality kind of representation.

 

basquiat was bisexual, but as far as i'm aware none of his works depicted same sex couples. (also according to gucci, harry styles is a stan lmao)

 

in total, this means that tae has mentioned a lot of lgbt artists, way more than it would be to be a coincidence. boy is deliberately looking for gay shit. jean-michele basquiat, egon schiele, ante badzim, gustav klimt, ryan mcginley, alessandro michele, kehlani, sam smith, troye sivan,,,,,,,,, 

 

two's a coincidence, three's a pattern. nine though? that's a confirmation.

 

 

honourable mention for yoongi knowing and wearing keith haring shit. he mentioned him in the comeback show, too, saying someone's drawing looked like a keith haring work. haring was openly gay and painted an entire bathroom with dicks and gay sex.

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[moth]

Oh, ok. Haven't seen this one. I will wait for vlive translations anyway. But yeah, it might be just Tae's interpretation and not what producer actually said/meant.

 

Idk, for me personally Jimin never sounds like a girl, although he has a very high voice. It was that PD decision anyway for whatever reason and apparenty that translator already clarified that it was said about lyrics and not voice.

 

 

It's all just mine baseless assumptions so I am gonna put it under spoiler. I have no idea why he reacted like this to hopekook and didn't reacted at all to jinkook. I can read their emotions/reactions/behavior traits pretty well, but there might be hundreads of reasons behind those, so I may see when they're upset or smth, but why? who knows. If to talk about that scene, for example, Tae kind of loves "attack" back in the same way he was "attacked", so maybe Hoseok said smth similar to that narrative towards Tae or in genereal said smth like this and Tae didn't like it and thats why he said it back to Hobi, or maybe yeah he was jealous of Hoseok or maybe he was jealous of Jungkook or maybe there was another reason. Idk. I just said about that episode cause this clip (the full it's version) shows anything but Tae's homophobia.

 

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what taehyung said was literally ‘남ìžëž‘ 남ìžâ€™, literally ‘man with/and man’. namja is man, rang is with.

 

regarding hopekook/jinkook, tae very obviously had a crush on hoseok for the longest time. anyone with eyes can see that. so really i think it was a matter of denial and self-suppression, combined with jealousy that ended up coming out like that, since tae is definitely not homophobic lol.

[moth]

can someone give me the receipts of tae being attracted to hoseok? i always here about it but see nothing

there’s a bunch of stuff, this is just some things that cheapthrills pulled together

 

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honestly, there’s a lot more the further you look but this is the main shit.

 

also, fwiw, tae gave a mic a blowjob right in front of hoseok, and hoseok knew it too.

 

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[moth]

I love you

Basically Jin's reading out their horoscopes and Hoseok's says that he has a good relationship (at least this is what the spanish subs say). Then it cuts to his face and he says "I have a good relationship", laughs, and then the fateful "I need a girlfriend". So he's clearly talking about himself.

We seriously need an unbiased bilingual Korean person to ask. Google translate says that 'I need' in Korean starts off with 'naneun'. He says something beginning with N but I think I can hear 'namja', not 'naneun'. The second before the N word part, I can't catch what he's saying at all. So if it is namja, then the bit before must be some variant of 'I need a'??

 

 

Sorry but I don't really understand what you're trying to say you thought he meant. You agree he said 'girlfriend' which would be the 'yeo' sounding part, meaning you don't actually think he said 'yeogiseo'. I don't know what you mean by "inserting a caption to look like boy/girlfriends (for the fan who's watching)" but, if the spanish subs are accurate, even if he didn't start saying 'boyfriend' at any part, the context is that he's talking for himself because he needs a partner in order for his horoscope to come true.

Idk arguing that someone likes girls but could still be bi fits in here but I feel like this 'which male idols do you think are gay' thread might not be the best place for het defence

in korean, i don’t know what hoseok says at the start of the sentence, but after he says ‘namja- yeojachingu’. namja means boy/male, yeoja means girl/female. add -chingu onto either of those, you get girlfriend/boyfriend. when you search either in the naver dictionary, namjachingu/yeojachingu is always the first result to come up. so, at the very least, hoseok says ‘boy- girlfriend’, regardless of the rest of the sentence.

 

regarding taegi, i’m also inclined to believe there’s somethin going on there. outside of what rasp mentioned, there’s also a bunch of other little moments that when added up become quite suspicious. at the very least, they’re very close these days.

[moth]

i think this is going to get buried amongst the current discussion, but does anyone think minho of stray kids is sus?

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@3:03, they’re playing the “i love you†game, and woojin basically grabbed minho’s shoulder, and minho didn’t breathe for a whole 3 seconds

and then...

he’s the flirt of the group, but when someone else initiates, he gets shy.

thoughts?

i do agree abt minho; originally i thought different but now i’m starting to think minho really is a chaotic gay, and he’s got something with jisung. at the very least, a crush. wrt the other members, the ppl i think are non het are hyunjin, seungmin, minho, chan; i’m ?? on felix, jisung, changbin; hets are woojin, jeongin.

[moth]

LMFAOOOO

 

this whole thread is about sensing shit on your 'gaydar'

 

No one has a shred of evidence??!!!

 

We are all guessing and I said my piece but everyone here DOESN'T want people to be straight which is weird....

 

 

i mean, arguably, things like

, or '

'; saying it's 'not gender that matters' but the atmosphere, writing about

, asking your friend to have sex with you, talking about

, saying you

, and being spotted at a gay bar (among various other things), are pretty strong pieces of evidence, and have nothing to do with a person's 'gaydar'. claiming that these things aren't a shred of evidence is frankly wilful ignorance, and there's nothing more to say. Edited October 8, 2018 by moth

[moth]

 

 

I think Suga being bi is just a meme now, he's the most no homo member of the group if you think about it

 

 

just popping back to say what the fuck

we are looking at the same suga, right?

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[moth]

 

Yes?

 

 

 

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Second video ^

 

context for the first pic:

(in response to saying hoseok does a great job, is amazing, etc.) my heart doesn’t flutter for you, however. after all... i, between men, my heart doesn’t flutter, because! (laughs)

in the second vid.............. y’all realise jk was no homoing just as much as yoongi? they were saying their (yg) friendship isn’t looking longing into each others eyes at a piano, and (jk) that the fans know what they’re really like, (jk) male friendships/men don’t really do that to each other. yoongi made the subject ‘we’.

 

anyway, in honour of no homo legend min yoongi, remember when he;

 

• Wrote: “Whether it’s a guy or girl, my tongue will make you come.†then added hoseok moaning to the track, and has him moan live.

• Said that his ideal type is someone with a ‘manly feel’ (and then proceeded to name men)

• Yelled ‘boy crush’ directed at Namjoon/Jin

• Got the most excited out of the group when V and JHope had to kiss

• Wanted to get matching heart tattoos with J-Hope. Also said “I’ve seen her several times and she looks just like J-Hope. So that’s why I’m saying she’s pretty†about Hoseok’s sister.

• Asked Namjoon if he’s into the male PD

• Said that Andy, the male MC, is his celebrity crush

• Said that Taehyung fell in love with a male photographer after he complimented him

• Was able to name the two lead actors in “Frozen Flowerâ€, a gay movie

• Said “there’s nothing wrong, everyone is equal†when asked about gay rights

• Said that Jin needs to be serious about kissing him

(courtesy of burntgucci)

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[moth]

bitches you gave me a good laugh today. RAP MONSTER GAY? puahahahahahahahahaha sorry to ruin your deep thoughts, but no bangtan member is gay, and i'm talking serious not like a fan that would hate them if they would be gay, got nothing against homosexuality, but this case i must say it because seriously you talking too hard about it like totally convinced is stupid, again, NO BANGTAN MEMBER IS GAY. suga's case was because he was speaking in japanese, the mc was, in resume, asking if we would mind dating a foreign, so he said he like it all (all, in a race context) but he spelled on a way that just sound sexual, but again, he was speaking japanese. v? that boy is the kind that creates a storm in a glass of water, suga himself talked about it, he may seems like he is stupid sometimes, but he can actually take the most small thing and turn it into art, the most i hear the song, the most i understand that there's something that is tormenting him but at any rate, eve when he can't fix it he ask for forgiveness so he can move on, i mean, i understand that of all things a person could do wrong in his life, the easiest think to state is, ohhh he is talking about his homosexuality, nono. i'm not saying i say everything about their iives, just know the basics, they are not gay.

 

please. PLEASE. i know this is from 2016 but fskljdsflkjsd for christs sakes. there's so much misinformation about that interview floating around and this is like. the peak of it. 

 

yoongi wasn't speaking in japanese, as far as i'm aware the interview was in korean and translated to japanese, as whilst they do know some japanese, i'd hardly think that back in 2014 it would've been strong enough to conduct an entire interview (of that calibre) fluently.

a lot of words in korean and japanese share the same root or kanji/hanja, such as heterosexual and homosexual, or backpack (ka-bang/ka-ban), or promise (yak-sok/yaku-soku). to give you an idea on how similar some of these roots are, heterosexuality in korean is ì´ì„±ì• ìž (pronounced i-seong-ae-ja), in japanese it's 異性愛者 (pronounced i-sei-ai-sha. homosexuality is ë™ì„±ì• ìž (dong-seong-ae-ja) with the hanja being åŒæ€§æ„›è€… in korean, in japanese it's åŒæ€§æ„›è€… (dou-sei-ai-sha). these can be broken down even further, with ë™ì„±/åŒæ€§ being same sex and ì´ì„±/異性 being opposite sex. the ì• ìž/愛者 can kind of be broken down into -loving person/nature.

 

onto the interview itself; it started with the interviewer (itvr) asking about the japanese version of their song's miss right lyrics, wherein it describes a person with long glossy hair and hips. namjoon said it was written by him. this then leads the topic onto his 'ideal woman' (in response joon said that because they're lyrics they're an exaggeration, but they hold truth in this case), then the itvr asked namjoon what he looks at first in a woman. tae answers for joon, and then then joon responds, followed by jk and jm flirting adding their opinion. the itvr then asks "suga, what's yours?" [first place looked at in a girl], and that's where the... infamous quote comes from.

this is a literal translation as possible whilst still making sense in english:

"mine is character and feeling. i decided my ideal type was as much as non-existent. it's not just the opposite sex, impression, and the partner's atmosphere they give off (etc.), when together if we fit/work, is important."

 

when yoongi said 'it's not limited to opposite sex', the interview used 異性ã«é™ã‚‰ãš (i-sei ni-kagi-ra-zu). literally, that's 'opposite sex not limited to'. in korean - we've already established that i-sei = i-seong = opposite sex - to limit to contains the hanja é™, same as in japanese. the chance of mistranslation between the two languages in this situation is near impossible. 

after yoongi said his bit, then itvr then moved on to asking taehyung what traits he found valuable in a person.

 

there's was never any mention of race at all, and yoongi never said he 'liked it all'. there's no issue of mistranslation. yoongi honest to god said that his ideal type of girl isn't necessarily confined to the opposite sex.

 

all these meanings and translations can be checked on http://jisho.org/ and https://endic.naver.com/.

 

if anyone wants to see my scribbles regarding the interview translation, they're here and here

 

^{(fun fact, this was the most yoongi talked the entire interview. prior to this response he'd only said one sentence, and then said nothing else after this.)}

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[moth]

^^^don't know enough to comment on his sexuality, but he looks like the most effortless fabulous members. he has a confidence and level of comfort where he doesn't NEED you attention, he just gets it. a lot of kpop recently is very try-hard guys focused intently on giving exaggerated looks and poses to the camera, so i appreciate namjoon's more natural (but still fabulous) sense here. the issue isn't the translation between Japanese and Korean, the issue is the English translation. that's not to say the English translation is incorrect per se, it's just misleading because 〜ã«é™ã‚‰ãš ("not limited to") is more of a grammatical structure than it is a literal statement. it's more like "not just with the opposite sex" rather than "not limited to the opposite sex" (can you feel the difference in nuance?). that's not to say he isn't subtly implying that he wants to include men in the equation with how he answers the question, but he is certainly not committing to a statement of bisexuality (though he may easily be gay/bisexual).

oh, yeah nah i didn’t mean to imply that it was a definitive statement. sorry if it came across that way !! there’s a lot of nuance among languages that vary from area to area, so with an iffy statement like this it’s difficult to draw any solid conclusion. my main reason for the post was to clarify the contents of what yoongi said, as i’ve seen people to say that he never specified the ‘opposite sex’ in his statement, or claim that the interviewer was talking about race or something because that’s just not the case.

 

re: ã«é™ã‚‰ãš, it’s one of those tricky things to actually translate, isn’t it? i went with the ‘not limited to’ because that’s most commonly among people who’ve translated it. i toyed with how to word it, but ended up going with the more definitive ‘limited’ since it matched up with the literal of the hanja and like, took into account other things yoongi’s said and done, if that makes sense? but you’re right in saying that it’s not a statement, i’ll go back and change it to reflect that.

[moth]

I don't really understand the nuance between "not limited to" and "not just with", but as a gay Japanese I instantly understood his meaning to be bisexual. I believe the only reason which is why people ignore that is because of heteronormativity.

it’s a very, very subtle difference i guess? ‘not limited to’ is quite harsh and definite, whereas ‘not just with’ is softer and more malleable in a way. it’s to do with the definitiveness, i guess? but even then it’s slight and takes a fair bit of thinking (for me at least) to distinguish the two. interesting to see other’s opinions though !!

[moth]

After this interview, Suga said in an interview for a japanese magazine "my heart doesnt flutter between men"

i can sum up my thoughts about that in an image. the between men and men interview was in like, 2016/17, whilst the not limited to interview was from 2014. they’re unrelated incidents. Edited January 5, 2019 by moth

[moth]

spoiler bc kind of ot, it's regarding the namjoon photo-taker & jimin's fuckboy rumours

 

100% truth.

One thing I do wonder though, who is it taking all these pics of him when he goes out on his nature rambles? Manager/staffer/bodyguard, or family, friend, partner? One of the other BTS members? There's always someone behind the camera, even on a random trip to a library or woodland walk.

 

I usually just lurk here but

 

to add to this, one such pic that's stuck with me as just an Unexplained Mystery is this:

 

 

 

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Who knows, it might be a friend/family member/manager for all we know (imo it absolutely does not look like any other member, tho). But my immediate thought when I first saw that was ?date? with boy?? Tho ofc, someone had to be behind the camera for this picture as well.

 

 

Anyway, I agree that any and every member of BTS could be lgbtq and it would not surprise me in the slightest. 

 

namjoon has said in the past that usually it's jimin that goes with him and that he gets to take the photos for kim daily, and also on occasion a manager/friend will go with them. a fan met namjoon whilst taking pics for a kim daily and took a photo, in the background was the manager(? may have been just a friend, but i'm pretty sure they were staff based on how they were dressed. probably a staff member that's also a friend). on that day with the swing, i remember jungkook was with him, the other person on the swing may have been jimin? anyway.

 

where did you hear that jimin is a het fuckboy omg that makes me so sad if true

 

it's a rumour that's been going around for ages, but for as many as there are saying that he is, there's just as many saying that he's not. i once saw someone say he wouldn't have gotten as many popularity votes if that were the case lmao. 

 

 

[moth]

I was just told by the admins we are not allowed to discuss anyone under the age of 18 in this thread.

 

Because apparently our very ill-informed admin team follows the belief that saying someone is gay is corrupting or sexual in nature.

 

I would suggest that if this concerns you that you dm them and voice your disagreement.

time to leave oh for real, then.

 

nice to know not even gay places are safe spaces. thanks for, once again, stifling lgbt people and reducing us to nothing but sex. good fucking job, onehallyu, good fucking job. maybe instead of banning sfw lgbt discussion, you should take a look at the 18+ thread and all the underage people on there; both users AND idols.

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[moth]

[edit: deleted most of the original post bc i didn't want to get into it; it mentioned nam taehyun's song 'i'm young']

 

i personally find it hard to believe that there would only be such a small amount of lgbt people, especially in an entertainment industry, and disregarding genuine receipts because a majority of people thing someone is lgbt based on being effeminate isn't a good way to go about things. i mean, it's no secret that some lgbt people do have feminine mannerisms, just like there are masculine lgbt people.

fuck, most 'straight' people don't defend and support lgbt people and make lgbt media (without any kind of [monetary] incentive) for the sake of it.

 

some food for thought; small sample size but an article regarding 1 in 2 british young respondents saying they are not 100% heterosexual https://yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2015/08/16/half-young-not-heterosexual. check out the raw data.

Edited March 29, 2019 by moth

[moth]

Regarding BTS, it's always the same few members who are the official hets in people's conclusions, and there is a theme there. So many only speculate about Yoongi because of the notoriety of that interview and his tongue lyrics; otherwise I suspect he'd be another coincidentally masculine member people just happen to not get "gay vibes" from

 

i agree with your post !! although i gotta say yoongi pings the living SHIT out of me. i never really got straight vibes from him tbh

 

 

edit:

@witchcocktor, what about GD? he liked all those posts on instagram of like, 'new year, gayer me', 'double penetration', 'bottoms do it better' posts.

Edited March 29, 2019 by moth

[moth]

whatever the fuck these were

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[moth]

Yeah, they look like a bit. A plus point to the stylists of the BTS.

 

 

He can't even make a simple sentence like, "put down your Army bombs" I'm sure he wrote these English sentences with the help of someone. He is currently a beginner in English and is still trying to learn the meaning of words. 

 

i don't know if you're a native english speaker or not, i'm assuming you are, but phrases such as 'put down your xyz' are definitely not simple. short, yes, but definitely not simple. based off my own experience learning languages, the first things you learn are usually referring to yourself. the sentence 'i felt and learnt a lot after seeing her stage', to me, would be significantly easier to compose than something like 'put down your xyz'. they're called phrasal verbs, if you want to read more. they seem easy to native english speakers because we've grown up hearing them, but when you look at the words involved individually, you can see how they become confusing.

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[moth]

how we feeling about this one

http://kpopkfans.blogspot.com/2019/10/nct-taeyong-insulted-gay-student-in.html

[moth]

2 minutes ago, skelten said:

Not to be a stan but I’m pretty sure this was proven to not be him, plus the sorce is from pann, which is not reliable. I don’t think he is homophobic. 

there's not a way to know that it was actually him yet, but it also hasn't been proven wrong

[moth]

1 hour ago, MoonA_ said:

It's probably fake. Some comments have stated that his handwriting is different compared to his writing we have seen during that time. And ppl have mentioned that it is not his name on that piece of paper (few say it's stylized, but I don't see it). Plus, the rumors he had years ago came to light again and now new ones of his "bad personality" are spreading. I think some people are just trying to damage his career/sabotage SuperM. And I genuinely believe he is gay.

just want to clarify that it is 'lee taeyong'/태용 written on the paper, if you look closely you can see the bottom part of the line is thicker than the rest where it's been doubled back on to make a '6' shape. there's also no other name it could possibly be, as 'taeyon'/태욘, and 'taeyod'/태욛 aren't korean names.

EDIT: ALSO CHANYEOL GAY please pay more attention to this than taeyong

https://twitter.com/yifanskai/status/1180836655562969089?s=21

 

Edited October 6, 2019 by moth

[moth]

4 hours ago, wonhoismyking said:

I actually believed it for a second but the name at the end of the message says “lee taeyon” not “lee Taeyong”. If it really was him (and somehow managed to misspell his own name) I’m disappointed. That’s fucked up to say to someone.

the name is taeyong, taeyon isn't a name in korean. the ㅇ just came out looking like a 6.

[moth]

47 minutes ago, Rex27 said:

Hi everyone , just saw the taeyong discussion and decided to put this twitter thread of all the "scandals" of taeyong and how they're proven false ... plz read this bcz the person who wrote it did their research well unlike shitty news like kboo and allkpop .... But moral of the story all ty rumors comes from Wikitree an unreliable site that just spread hate and fake information about idols , but somehow taeyong scandal became big .. There is literally no other source for his rumors except for wikitree wich is really weird . I hope y'all read the thread and understand the truth of this situation but  it's up to you if you wanna believe it or not , thanks 

 

https://twitter.com/Love_and_Loona/status/1183151030328057856?s=19

this thread is... partly wrong lol, also kind of contradictory?

they claim taeyong's school was all boys so he couldn't have bullied those girls, but it was only taeyong's first high school that was single gender, his middle school contained both girls & boys. they then go on the claim the 'lee taeyon' thing which has already been debunked.

Edited October 13, 2019 by moth

[moth]

1 minute ago, Rex27 said:

No one is claiming , taeyong himself said he went to all boys school up until SOPA + the taeyon thing was never debunked . wikitree are the same people who spread the scamming thing wich was debunked long time ago , and this is their new rumor just like before all false 

taeyong went to an all boy's high school before he transferred to SOPA, but his middle school was co-ed.

the taeyon thing WAS debunked, taeyon is not a real name in korean, multiple koreans have said this, there's also a wikipedia page of korean names and taeyon is not on there. 'taeyon' is literally just a slip of the hand.