Which male idols do you think are gay?

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8 hours ago, reiichi said:

I think it's more like, LGBT rights have come to the forefront in the political debate. Conservative leaders of course are vocal about their opposition, so people are more vocal about it and unafraid to voice their opinions.

It's been the same in every country going through these debates. Anti-LGBT attitudes are just exacerbated by the fact LGBT rights are discussed, because conservatives just don't want things to change. It doesn't mean society is moving backwards - just that it's more polarized on that specific issue. 

People in power haven't changed much in the last two years, however there were elections recently (April 15th), and the current president is doing a pretty good job, so conservatives really only had the "values" angle to rally their supporters. So the anti-LGBT discourse has grown - doesn't mean more people are turning against the gays, just that existing positions are voiced more openly.

The sad reality is that every western country had to go through the same thing. In order for LGBT rights to actually advance, you have to put them at the center of the political debate, and it will inevitably enhance the opposing party's voice on the issue.

People don't want political debates in their entertainment, atm being gay has become something political rather than a potential joke, so they'll stop mentioning it in variety shows. I think that's why Jo Kwon denies gay rumors, Heechul is suddenly dating the girl he denied dating six months prior, and they won't invite the only openly out gay celebrity on variety shows anymore. Nobody wants variety shows to become political.

I agree with you in theory but I don't think LGBT has became a political issue yet. The LGBT exposition still relies on Pride parades and social media. The LGBT community is getting louder but politics barely address it. The battle is still very practical as of now, like actually physical with Christians threatening and agressing LGBT people (because they are louder). And it's getting so out of hand, it's paradoxally leading the government to take anti-discriminations measures (and it's still not convering all the country, and you can tell they're not doing it wholeheartedly, so it shows they're still very far from getting into LGBT rights).

But you're right, I think they're getting there : getting the issue to be eventually addressed politically.

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Well, it's a bit OT, but what I do find interesting in this whole story is that BigHit's seemingly deal with Dispatch seems to be over ?

I mean, that Jungkook story started as a rumor and they went to investigate it. They never relayed or investigated any BTS "scandal" before (even the CCTV of Jungkook hugging a girl, the video of Jimin clubbing in Paris with girls or the behind video in which a younger female co-host addressed Jin informally, and those are easy clicks).  Dispatch also didn't follow them in the US or do any official photoshoot for the Grammys 2020 (like they did for the BBMAs 2017, AMAs 2017, BBMAs 2018 and BBMAs 2019).

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So it's almost official that Dispatch and BigHit have terminated their contract since Dispatch deleted all BTS related content from their site and I just wanted to say...

Called it.

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Idk just... doesn't seem like a straight thing to do ?

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1 hour ago, Acapella said:

Ohhhh what male singer

He didn't say 

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On 6/21/2020 at 8:50 AM, Bushi said:

ARMY tends to find BTS with guys stuff funny and not too deep. It's meme-worthy for a day and then they move on. 

Yijeong begs to differ  dude was so harassed that he felt like he had to deny that he was in a relationship with Yoongi. I'd say i'ts not a matter of gender, but a matter of not showing off on social media and interacting with fans in a way that encourages rumors (something that actual exes/partners would never do imo).

Also, on another lighter note, I find it funny that Yoongi (usually known as the least flexible member of the group) easily held that position, even looking like he had some margin, while Jimin (known as the most flexible member of the group) was going through hell, not even able to assume the same position as him (his hands going behind his thigh instead of behind his knee).

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Yoongi showed up at the BTS store with LGBT limited edition vans and they were all wearing their personal clothes. 

 

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well... someone already said it

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On 12/11/2020 at 1:52 AM, dumdidumdi said:

To be honest I was always convinced Taehyung was gay, not just attracted to men, but gay, until he played a demo of a song he wrote where he's singing about a girl.

If it were a BTS song I wouldn't really pay any attention to it, but given that it's something he presumably wrote himself it seems like he'd only write about things he wants. This is the same man that wanted to record a love song with Jimin, after all.

So I guess I have to concede that he probably is interested in women after all.

Oh and I don't see myself seeing JK as straight though, because I've seen it mentioned these past few days a couple of times.

He introduced the demo in october 2018 and specifically said it was "old, very old". And never released it, preferring to write Scenery and 4 O'Clock.

It was also the same live where he said he wanted to sing a song he wrote with Jimin for Christmas of 2017 but the producer said it wouldn't make sense if he sung it with a man and that he should record it with Adora instead (so Taehyung didn't release it).

I wouldn't read too much into that one (even though I think he reasonably could be bi, I'm still leaning towards gay for some reason, he just strikes me as gay).

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On 12/11/2020 at 10:11 AM, dumdidumdi said:

Yeah I'm in the same boat, but I don't think it being old or unreleased means that much. If he didn't stand by it he wouldn't have played snippets of it, I think.

I'm not taking it as definite evidence, in fact, it's literally the only reason I have for not being 100% on him being gay.

The Christmas song was never released so we don't know if it was romantic or not. I doubt it was, but if it's "inappropriate" for two men to sing together then that should tell you at least a little something about its content. My guess is it's similar to 'Friends' off of MOTS:7, nothing romantic about it, but BH would rather not take any chances. I mean, they say soulmate so many times in that song but the track is still called 'Friends'. BH are fine with queerbaiting as long as they're the ones directing it.

And I agree that he very likely (almost definitely) isn't allowed to release a song explicitly about a man he is in love with, but he didn't have to use any gendered language. It's very easy to write a song in Korean without any gendered language in it, so him saying "girl" feels like it's more intentional.

Fans specifically asked for songs he has never released so he played all the unreleased demos sitting in his phone, that's why it came up and since they liked it, he played it again during the Break the silence ep. Also I personally think Taehyung didn't embrace his own gayness before 2017. He started sharing LGBT artists in 2016/2017 but he also had this whole "wanting to look manly" thing (when he started hanging out with the Hwarang hyungs). I think it ties with the fact that what some people called his "childish/weird" behavior was mostly actually him looking like a flamboyant gay kid and he wanted to "correct/bury/hide" that image. So that may be why there was "girl" back then and not ever since (the only one with a "she", Winter Bear, is probably about his grandma, that explains both the lyrics and why the members are so affectionate with the song). 

On 12/11/2020 at 9:15 AM, SingularEpiphany said:

@Bushi I wasn't able to quote for some reason

OT but - Blue & Grey was followed up with a personal interview under the BH umbrella where Tae described his depression in detail, and Tae did play his version of B&G on their reality show. RM straight up said he didn't give his songs for BE because they were too personal. I feel like Tae using B&G for the album is a sign of his musical ambition rather than his helplessness... I think I resist looking at BH as the source of their oppression rather than society, their fans and their very public-facing profession. 

I do agree that Tae's model shots are interesting. To me I wondered if he feels obliged to market his looks at the same time he's confessing to harder / unpleasant parts of his life. He has a lot more 'visual stans' as compared to rapline (who have in fact been attacked for being ugly) - where he might wonder if he'll lose his fanbase if he actually expressed himself - including his sexual identity. 

It surprises me but also not that BTS is seen as more straight by observers this year. They've been playing it super-safe and almost conventional good-boy, 'family-friendly'. Being invited to the Disney sing-a-long, to a Korean Youth Day event, singing carols for the GDA(?). What happened to BTS of 2016 or even 2018 when there was some noticeably queer energy about their work... or even a Boy With Luv where they managed to flip their super-straight Boy in Luv into a campy-happy video with Halsey. Truly fame, being on top, the IPO have clamped down on them. 

I also think they toned it down A LOT but I also think A LOT happened behind the scenes : 
- Taehyung saying he was tired of his work, sometimes shading the company about resting. The members as a whole seemed quieter, more serious than their usual dynamics (I think it started before even 2020, you could tell something wasn't quite right since BV4, since their 2-months break)

- the presence of the staff felt heavier and I think it was close monitoring because of BigHit's agreement with Dispatch being seemingly over (ie Jungkook's "scandal", Yoongi's mixtape's "scandal", Dispatch deleting BTS content on their website etc)

- it also feels like there was discussion with the governement about military enlistment (Jin used to be very evasive with the question and the company didn't have the beginning of a plan when he had been supposed to go this december at last so they obvs knew the law would change before, now Jin answers more willingly). 

But I mean, Tae described Dynamite as "colors of the rainbow" and when asked why, he said "No reason" (even though it could be debatable, it fits with the fact that Dynamite's concept feels quite LGBT-coded at least?). He also @/ed Conan before adding Lauv as an afterthought (further proving his love for LGBT artists). Yoongi wore limited-edition, only available in store, LGBT vans on an outing where they were wearing personal clothes (and he's back on this twerking agenda YOU GO KING).

They sang Christmas carols before and went to Disney for years too?

I don't feel like they've changed as much as they seemed to be all tired/worried. I feel like it has gotten better since around July. I remember thinking they looked suddenly much more light-hearted during their appearance in I-Land. Maybe because of the strawberry farm trip/"In The Soop", maybe because now it looks like their agreement with Dispatch is back on (exclusive photoshoots again) or maybe because they don't have to worry about military for 2 more years, maybe all of that.

My bet's on Dispatch though

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56 minutes ago, SingularEpiphany said:

I never said they've changed! I wanted to imply that they haven't been as free-spirited because of the pressures on them in this position. 

Dynamite disappointed me somewhat so maybe I haven't been paying attention to it being queer-coded (because of disco?)

They've never performed on the ABC Disney singalong on US television or had a whole segment on an award show singing carols? I'm only using these as examples why they would seem to a casual observer to be kind of falling in with a more typical identity. So that their more muted and low key receipts are ignored or seen as just being supportive allies. Another example is that Tae's conforming a lot more to traditional gender self-presentation this year than the constantly dyed hair and dangling earrings he used to wear. Isn't part of the reason no one ever thinks Jin is gay because he has a very sober and neutral self-presentation.

I think Suga is a very deliberate man and so he wore those shoes knowing what they meant which point to either him or someone close to him being LGBTQ+ but could also be a tipped hat to LGBTQ+ fans.. Similarly I think Tae is gay but the tweet or the rainbow by themselves are micro-receipts. His Christmas song seems like such a more substantial receipt. 

I do actually agree that some of Tae's angst and discontent seems to be about being freer, which includes about his romantic life. Especially if the original B&G lyrics are considered. But BTS doesn't express anything about their romantic lives these days. 

Under spoiler because it's getting OT :

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They did disco but there are mutiple facets to the genre (like plaids and beiges were also a thing back then, white suits with bow ties, classical suits etc and there were also tons of popular dances that didn't involve that much hip movements) but they chose a very specific aesthetic of disco that feels LGBT-coded and assumed (rainbow as its representative "color" does fit with the overall theme chosen). Doing a disco-inspired song doesn't mean you have to go full-on flamboyancy (The Weeknd "Blinding Lights" for example, who blended it with modern elements or look at the dance for comparison; even TXT's latest song: they mixed it with a fantasy concept). Non-fans around me who discovered them through Dynamite thought the MV was pretty "gay" and I live in a country known for artistic eccentricity/freedom (but it's not sensual like most of their past MVs were so maybe that's the difference?).

Tae's style has changed a lot troughout the years (he had phases, dangling earrings/bright hair colors was just one of them) and even though he wore bright outfits on cam around 2018, he always has preferred more toned outfits backstages, at airports or in lives, even during those times. I think he just is becoming an adult in the ways he wants to present himself. And I don't think anyone thinks Jin's not gay because of his clothes? I think Yoongi's gay, most people think he's pan/bi/gay, and he sure isn't the brightest in terms of clothing, even less than Jin.

They did mutiple interviews with Disney, appeared on children programs in Korea, and they may have never sung carols on US TV but they did in Korea. They always conformed : they never swore (as BTS at least or it was exceptional, generally beeped), they've always been known for not having much scandals, Tae was spreading the "good boy" agenda since 2017,  etc. So I don't think that's the reason. But maybe it's because they started promoting on Korea's TV again and clearly to a more adult audience than they used to back in 2017 before they stopped appearing on korean shows? They still give the same energy in RUN episodes though (except during that weird late 2019-first half of 2020 period). About substancial receipts as you put it, there are not many of those, they just pop up from time to time, I don't feel like there are more or less than before.

Also the group has never been expressive about their romantic lives? All the things they said in 2014-2015 was almost all narrative BS to appeal as boyfriend materials. Since then they've always swerved partner or hook-ups questions. They've been more discreet about their friends/connections within the industry though, because of multiple reasons (privacy, not wanting to use the group as a promoting tool, being fucked over too many times by so-called friends, losing most of these friends because of tight schedules overseas, take your pick). So we don't hear about Bogum, Jiyeong, Sungwoon, Kai, Taemin or even Jeongyeon, Suran, Yoona, IU and the likes.

I also think they're not as widely spoken as LGBT because most fans rely on skinship for that (and adults are less touching than teenagers, that's how it is + BTS clearly gave up on fanservice). But it's not a good way to assess someone's sexuality anyway (a side indicator at most). 

Well that's my take on this at least!

 

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On 12/12/2020 at 1:46 AM, SingularEpiphany said:

 

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Wait what? The disco era originated in underground nightclubs, was inherently queer-coded. the era of flamboyance - the Bees Gees, Grease, Donna Summer. Sure BTS made a choice borrowing it but they aren't really giving it a 'gayness' it doesn't have - in fact, they stripped it of some of the transgression and made it fresh and silly. The one performance that reaches that level of campy fun is the Dynamite dance break of the Melon Music Awards. Now there's already a 'gay' association with disco + boyband with dancing men and Kpop is quite flamboyant so maybe it didn't quite register as campy enough. 

I'm not being able to communicate what I want to say, I'm trying to speak from the perspective of why a third party might say, ah BTS is straight/Tae's straight! etc. is because people only look at more superficial aspects like dress or mannerisms and don't go into what people have said and done.

I actually deleted my comment about Jin because I have the unpopular opinion that Jin might possibly not be straight, and I think people basically neutralise the man saying I have a crush on Brad Pitt (because he likes to see the world burn) because he doesn't fit their idea of a gay/bi man. Versus someone like Jungkook whose self-presentation is more unconventional or unorthodox. I didn't think of Suga, but to be fair, most people think Suga is bi because he rapped about it, no one is going off his looks alone. 

Hm, you're right, they have not really gone all that far past the boundary. Maybe it's because I became a fan after 2016, but isn't Wings (BST) a lot more explicitly homoerotic than anything they have done since? And LY had Singularity, some gender-bending photoshoots. In comparison, 7 was devoid of much LGBTQ+ references. The closest we get is Troye Sivan as a songwriter, possibly Filter (although Jimin is addressing it to a girl) and the MMA performance of Black Swan. But you are right, it's not so many receipts before either. 

I mentioned not being expressive about romantic lives as a reason why the lyrics of B&G had to be changed to fit on BE. They had more romantic songs in the LY series than in MoTS:7. They haven't discussed their own preferences since the ideal type questions half a decade ago. 

The skinship hasn't necessarily decreased - like JiKook in the Dynamite Holiday version - it's just toned down to the level that people can't call it out as queerbait. But you're right, it's probably that which is influencing people's perceptions. 

I don't disagree with you at all, I guess Im just kind of complaining about the past. It's true they are more comfortable in their own skin now. 

 

Don't worry I got your point! Tones don't go through well in writing, I guess I'm coming off as a bit cold. I actually agree people speculated less about the group in the 1st half of 2020 but I just disagreed on the reasons. They were less expressive but like I said I think it was because of behind-the-scenes issues, I don't think it was to please an american audience.

I also stand by the fact the company/group chose a very colorful, flamboyant Disco. I know it was like this already but most artists didn't choose a concept that loyal to its roots : I'll point out Dua Lipa "don't start now", Selena Gomez "dance again" or The Weeknd "blinding lights" for disco-inspired songs, none of them were this colorful or flamboyant in dancing.

There are multiple instances of Tae assuming sassy positions during performance, too.

 

BST was the only homoerotic concept they had, but LY Tear and Black Swan were also sensual concepts. It makes once every two years. About gender-bending photoshoot, they've always worn clothes from women departments (during Black Swan perfs lately for example). Jungkook has always been vocal about clothes not having genders.

MOTS 7 was a weird period because of many reasons I and others pointed out already but since Dynamite, everything seems back to "usual". The members are even getting speculated again. So I think there was just an uneasy "phase" within the company/group.

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1 hour ago, Dont mind me said:

Hi there,

Long time lurker, never really wanted to reply until now. BTS is a strange phenomenon for me, especially how well they are trained when it comes to media.

However, you can see the difference in how there were before 2019 and now and I do agree with everything that you said regarding MOTS. For me honestly, the only ones that tend to confuse is Jimin, who I do see as being almost 89% gay with some attraction towards woman, but I just don't see it. Maybe it is indeed a "yes queen moments" who knows. Anyways , the other is V and here is the part I will disagree with most of you. I had a friend like him before someone who was openly an ally because I wasn't open to anyone at high school. He wanted to make sure I was comfortable and that others knew more about people like me. V has made others more comfortable like that, whether it be opening up Jung Kook or supporting Jimin in his endeavours , the man has shown a very big support to others when they needed it. So it doesn't supprise me he would do the same for Jimin when he can't express himself exactly on which movies he likes or not. Otherwise it would make it very obvious. 

But then again, I could be wrong. Either way, I hope the guys find their own path in life and are comfortable with the arrangement they made for themselves. It is not easy being in the public eye and being gay/bi as well.

Yeah I do feel like you that there's been a shift since their break in 2019 (honestly let's be real here : since they all stopped living together). But my take on Taehyung doesn't rely on just LGBT content consumption. It's also his past self, the flamboyant kid who used to participate in drag competitions, collect crushes on hyung and it's Stigma too. Altogether it's hard to ignore. Then indeed image managing made it harder to notice (also growing up, people tend to get "tamed" as they age) but Tae's flamboyance still manages to catch some eyes.

Also I personally think Jimin's bi too! But maybe more interested in women than your percentage. It's just my opinion though ^^

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Groups like NCT or whatnot have ex-girlfriends, victims of bullying etc coming through with pictures and stories and you're gonna make me believe none of BTS' alleged ex-girlfriends would have done the same thing between 2013 and 2015? Park Sewon said she was Jungkook's girlfriend in 2013 with two pics of them goofing together as prooves and that's it. The only pre-debut pics of members with girls around if I'm not mistaken.

They weren't always untouchable and had the reputation of being squeaky clean for a reason (despite a witch hunt on their ass, still no dirt to be found because they knew it would never be forgiven coming from them, from a small company that the big ones were trying to sink). 

Also what is this slander about my boy Yoongi?

First-of-all, the "love letter" was for his 2nd year of middle school "girlfriend" (you know when he was 12) and he was basically apologizing for ignoring her and making things awkward by merely acting like a friend? Himself questioned if it could even be called "love" but that he was regretful of treating her that way (and that's the only example of an ex-girlfriend he came up with at 20). 

Suran and Jiyeong both used Yoongi's name and and denied when fans genuinely started to think they had a thing with Yoongi. If you think Yoongi dated Suran then you think he dated Jiyeong there's no in-between except heteronormativity. There's actually more substance to believe in Yijeong: Yoongi bought him expensive equipments and got him to be a producer at BigHit who exclusively produces for/with Yoongi while Suran posted shit like S love S or the word Suga (one-sided "hints").

Honestly even in general in Kpop, it's often just PR relationships that actually make fans believe lovestagram is even a thing, when it's basically "hinting at our relationship without actually being together ever, except that one time Dispatch caught us oops" like please how more PR can it get?

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On 1/5/2021 at 4:03 AM, dumdidumdi said:

Personally, I don't think he is straight, but I know most people disagree. A lot of people paint him as this macho muscle pig that is so stereotypically straight he cannot be anything other than just that, but I don't see that at all.

And also, lovestagrams being a big thing in Korea doesn't mean that every single Korean person likes them, same with matching clothes and couple rings. 

Ah yes, I love that my lack of straightness is preventing me from living my best life.

I mean the fact that you even bring up the 'Namjoon is married with kids' thing tells me everything I need to know.

 

I get demisexual vibes from Jungkook for some reasons (and a preference for older people?).

Also lovestagrams as kpop fans see it is not a ting I insist: regular/real couple will also have pics together, real-life interactions together, will message or adress each other in some ways. Lovestagram is such a PR move that it has become fandom culture in kpop, but it's not an organic south korean thing (anyone can try typing "lovestagram" in their google search and get ready to get flooded with kpop).

On 1/4/2021 at 11:23 PM, ga_shina said:

Didn't JK have a dating scandal with a tattoo artist? Granted who knows if they were dating (I think they were) but for JK who acts like he is afraid of women to be back hugging someone is interesting to say the least. . 

Jungkook's not afraid of girls, he has been seen hugging and interacting with plenty throughout the years (in 2013-2014 he was just a shy 16 years old boy thrown in the music industry). All male idols have this tendency of fleeing/jumping out of their skin when they come close to a female idol accidentally when they're rookies because they're scared of backlash, that's all there was (recent example, Soobin and Dahyun).

Idk about the tattoo artist he hugged like idk about the staff he goofed around with in some backstage videos like idk about Halsey that he hugged and interacted with. The tattoo artist one blew up because it was leaked CCTV from his private times and for some reason that makes it inherently suspicious in fans' eyes (because it looks like he "hides" her when he actually "hides" so much more people in his life that we'll never get to see).

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Yoongi straight, I have to stand up. So first-off, Yoongi was all about that "armys are my girlfriends, armys who date are betrayers, keep your finger empty for me etc" in 2014 - 2015 but starting from 2016 he stopped giving a shit (did he realise he wasn't straight or was he just tired of pretending he was? I wouldn't know) :

 

 

 

 

Back in 2013 at the beginning, his "ideal type" answers were either gender-neutral, a very thorough description of himself or random stuff like "girl with high-tech phone", "girl with headphones" etc (he started playing fans' boyfriend in 2014-2015).

Also the context for "my heart doesn't flutter for men" is this, which just looks like panicky back-tracking because he was going off on Hobi's charms (I can hear that laugh):

 

And that's without even mentioning his multiple statements that are being disminished one by one apparently:

"My voice turns you on, whether a guy or a girl my tongue can make you come"

"Everyone's equal"

"Rather than an ideal type, it's the atmosphere and it's not limited to a girl"

I get that all separetly it can be disminished and scrutinized but altogether, really? Like?

 

Now this :

 

Without even mentioning when he thoroughly described his male ideal type (macho, with beard and tanned skin, Cha Heungwon-like, which by the way he went straight for the hug when he met him, seemingly taken the actor by surprise a bit) or talking about making-up stories about a male athlete and a male singer he used to follow.

Also I stand by the fact that his relationship with Zhoumi was sus (Zhoumi was bummed when Yoongi didn't describe him as his ideal type, the other hosts were shocked that Yoongi used banmal/informal speech with him and Zhoumi said Yoongi used to arrive unannounced in the middle of the night and knows his home's password, he attended some of their concerts and then abrupt silence since 2016) and his crush on Taehyung in 2018 was (still is) sus.

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1 hour ago, ga_shina said:

Nah I disagree. Even now JK avoids looking/being close to female celebrities. It’s a running joke with armies. Idk if he’s afraid of his fans or what. I personally don’t really believe the whole JK is shy/afraid of girls idea. Again is quite likely that he was dating a tattoo artist as I don’t think guys randomly back hug girls they aren’t dating. 
In BTS I think only Tae is likely to be gay.

I mean yeah if you're stuck in 2016 and thinks Yoongi's a bad boy, Jimin an innocent baby, Taekook are the closest, Namjin are the parents of the group or Hoseok's the camp one because he likes covering girl groups dances?

Look up his interactions with Halsey and check for yourself (he probably avoids kpop female idols because some fans like to ship them and he doesn't want to entertain that). Fans build up narratives and kept themselves stuck in them for absolutely no reason, it baffles me sometimes.

For the tattoo artist thing, Jungkook's extremely touchy (almost in a childish way still) and it was after a karaoke night so he might have been drunk too. He didn't try to hide who he was and knew the owners had recognized him: he left his sign on a BTS poster that night. So I'm just a bit dubious he'd be all up his girlfriend in public if she really was because there was no way it wouldn't create rumors (and it ended up with a leaked CCTV which he didn't expect as if he didn't think he was doing anything wrong because she's just obviously a close friend to him, that's also a possibility: at first BigHit confirmed he was indeed out with friends but that it was private times, there would be suing and so on, and THEN later they denied she was his girlfriend when they understood what was the fuss about, as if they hadn't even thought of this possibility at first).

I agree that this is still possible they were/are actually dating, like I don't absolutely sway a way or not, I'm just doubtful.

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Fuck I am 90% sure Taehyung and Yoongi are dating. I am not going to try convincing anyone (you see it or you don't imo and I'm not here to campaign or something). I know it would only fuel a shipping war and this is not an invitation to contradict me with Taehyung's other ships' "prooves" : I've been following the group since 2015, I've seen everything there is to see.

I also know there is a taboo surrounding shipping : all I've got to say is that, in 5 years of being a BTS fan, I've never "shipped" any member before I started side-eyeing Taehyung and Yoongi sometime in 2018. But if you feel like negging me because it makes you think I'm a stupid delulu, I mean, go ahead.

I'm just posting this in case other people here also think so or have their suspicions?

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On 1/8/2021 at 5:11 AM, Dont mind me said:

You know let's have this discussion, for argument sake and because I am curious. Their personalities are very different from each other, I mean they even have to hold hands in the past if they had disagreement. What were the signs that made you zero in on them? 

On 1/8/2021 at 5:19 AM, ga_shina said:

Also curious.

Tbh shippers of every single ship in BTS can be so convincing. They make hour long analysis videos and you are like huh???? that actually makes sense.

Honestly I'm wary about discussing it. I'm serious when I say I'm not trying to convince anyone or campaign for a ship. Also there's not one moment or one action that would make the point, it's just a long succession of suspicious things that keep piling up. I probably could but I've seen people try to tackle the subject of them at some points in the past (notably in 2018) but the discussion always turned into a shipping war or the shipping taboo debate so they didn't insist. I mean I don't mind being contradicted or people disagreeing on fair points but if it's to be answered with "delulu" or get swarmed by other Taehyung's shippers...

But for the context (where I'm coming from) I've been following since 2015 and for my first post in this thread about multiple groups in early 2017, I said none of the BTS ships looked suspicious, that they were all obviously platonic. I started noticing something between the 2 of them late 2018 (at first I just thought that Yoongi had a crush on Taehyung that's it) and it escalated from here (I started finding them really sus in 2020 I think). In retrospect I now think they started dating late 2017/early 2018.

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That was short lived, wasn't it? 

Edited January 8, 2021 by OptimusPremier

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On 1/8/2021 at 8:26 PM, Dont mind me said:

Don't worry, it's still is a fresh outtake for me. It's not about whether I believe in the ships or not, I care more about how they interact with one another. Considering that most idols won't come out any time soon, any chemistry or physical connection can be an indicator for us. And that is why I asked for your take on this matter. You have information that I can interpret differently, but still it's good info. 

I haven't read your entire post, but I will comment later on it.

Honestly I might end up deleting it. I'm still hesitating on whether letting it on right now. I'm gonna probably let it up the time for the people who were interested to see and then I'll delete the content I think.

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11 minutes ago, persuasions said:

this post is just regular shipping. I swear all shippers of bts members say the same stuff. You know feelings other than romantic love or jealousy or anything that might trigger your ship flag exist. For instance they might be angered and not jealous, they might just admire each other, they might be gay and attracted to other males including the other member of the ship (hello??)

The fact that makes me say Taegi is nothing but colleagues, or worl friends : Yg never praised Tae's voice or musical talent. Give me a moment when Yg respects T as a singer cause there is none. He is all about praising T as being a handsome dude, great performer and nothing else. It feels as dry as fxck and no, I watch T too much to see anything that makes him in any way and form in a relationship with anyone for 2 + years lmao. On the contrary, he seemed to be depressed and deeply lonely in the first part of 2020 and in love in the last part so...   tell me again how that taegi is a long lasting relationship.

Like I said I'm not interested in arguing about it, just like I'm not interested in convincing you otherwise. People asked why I thought so, I tried to say so, that's it (and I didn't mention jealousy even once so I wonder if you even read the thing at all).  

Edit : also on a total unrelated note to Taegi or even your arguments, it's hateful and totally uncalled for to say Yoongi doesn't respect Taehyung as a singer.

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On 1/8/2021 at 9:13 PM, persuasions said:

the fact that u mentioned Dispatch pissed me off 3000. Shippers want Dispatch to reveal gay ships and that in so many way twisted. Better never hype that cause it triggers people.

 

On 1/8/2021 at 9:15 PM, persuasions said:

They mentioned Dispatch??? what tf do they want to prove with that?? That gets me triggered cause shippers want gay couples to be revealed every year.... And in no way and form a news site with bad reputation that deleted all bt5 stuff in beginning of 2020 should make ppl use it in their shipping

I never said anything of the likes (in this post or ever). Maybe if you actually had read that part, it would have spared you the trigger but I don't think that's what you're looking for anyway. 

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1 minute ago, persuasions said:

Peace. I just reacted at the Dispatch ships gay couples used as proof of the ship. That news site is paid by bh again to shut up after some hiatus. In any way and form we are not happy that they might have used their  connections or paparazzi to find gay couples. What do u think they would do with that info? Play nice and cuddly or ask for money and photo shoots

Probably ask for money and photshoots. Like they would for any other type of "scandal" and apparently having a life is considered scandalous in SK so I'm afraid BTS have faced it whether they're LGBT or not. BTS might have strong enough of a reputation now though, it looks like they have the governement on their side (they're economically influental) so big outlets might not have as much leniency as they used to? I still feel like Dispatch might be blackmailing them with smaller-scaled types of scandals (like JK's outing during Covid) and it did look like the members were looking tired/pressured when BigHit's agreement with Dispatch was seemingly over (first half of 2020). Does "having a hunch about it" equate to "wishing for it to happen"? I can confirm it's not the case for me at least.

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On 1/8/2021 at 9:14 PM, ga_shina said:

Why do people think Suga is attracted to men? I know he is very open minded but I never thought he could be anything than straight. Would love to see some "evidence" that doesn't involve his members. Tbh I've also never paid him much attention so I might have missed something. 

He used to describe his male ideal type in thorough details. There were his multiple statements (the lyrics you mentioned, the "I don' have a female ideal type, it's more of an atmosphere and it's not limited to gender/a girl" and "Nothing's wrong, everyone's equal" that even Namjoon who's known for open-mindness didn't dare to say that bluntly). Or when asked about what he looked first in a woman later in his career, he said "her bag". Lately he's been seen wearing limited LGBT Vans limited edition only available in stores from a campaign that raised 50k to prevent suicide among LGBT people and the members all had their personal clothes that day. That's what comes to mind.

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37 minutes ago, ga_shina said:

I know this was discussed a few pages ago (about Suga's lyrics that his rap is so good it will make girls and guys come) and it reminded me a bit of this:

"Even my hyung's friends shout out "bravo"
Even in the army when they see me they forget about national security
Lesbianism is definitely declining all thanks to me
because even lesbians get wet due to my "flow""

-Bewhy Ice Cream

I understand everyone has a different perspective on what Suga said but to me it really comes across as the typical hip hop bragging. Btw in no way shape or form am I saying that Suga is homophobic. 

I'll kindly disagree on "making a guy come with my tongue" being on par with "my hyung's friend shout out bravo, even in the army when they see me they forget about national security". These last lines feel more like he makes fanboys out of "real men" like even them would lose their "pride" for him or some shit (those lyrics are pure trash btw, what a homophobic, sexist piece of shit) while Yoongi talks about his fanboys (and girls) j*rking off or having wet dreams about him from how good he is. That's not exactly the same "wish". Beewhy's wish is to make lesbians come (entitled trash, in his dreams, he's seriously fucked up).