Which male idols do you think are gay?

[OptimusPremier]

1 minute ago, persuasions said:

Peace. I just reacted at the Dispatch ships gay couples used as proof of the ship. That news site is paid by bh again to shut up after some hiatus. In any way and form we are not happy that they might have used their  connections or paparazzi to find gay couples. What do u think they would do with that info? Play nice and cuddly or ask for money and photo shoots

Probably ask for money and photshoots. Like they would for any other type of "scandal" and apparently having a life is considered scandalous in SK so I'm afraid BTS have faced it whether they're LGBT or not. BTS might have strong enough of a reputation now though, it looks like they have the governement on their side (they're economically influental) so big outlets might not have as much leniency as they used to? I still feel like Dispatch might be blackmailing them with smaller-scaled types of scandals (like JK's outing during Covid) and it did look like the members were looking tired/pressured when BigHit's agreement with Dispatch was seemingly over (first half of 2020). Does "having a hunch about it" equate to "wishing for it to happen"? I can confirm it's not the case for me at least.

[Dont mind me]

24 minutes ago, persuasions said:

Peace. I just reacted at the Dispatch ships gay couples used as proof of the ship. That news site is paid by bh again to shut up after some hiatus. In no way and form we are happy that they might have used their connections or paparazzi to find gay couples. What do u think they would do with that info? Play nice and cuddly or ask for money and photo shoots

Why have a negative attitude on this?

You can disagree on this matter, you don't have to get triggered or angry. Just close the page and move on from this subject, but don't waist your energy on matters that aren't that big.

Edit:

I referencing about talking about on this forum, not the outing part. Dispatch wouldn't do that, it would alienate their readers and lose revenue on all the blackmails.

Edited January 8, 2021 by Dont mind me

[OptimusPremier]

On 1/8/2021 at 9:14 PM, ga_shina said:

Why do people think Suga is attracted to men? I know he is very open minded but I never thought he could be anything than straight. Would love to see some "evidence" that doesn't involve his members. Tbh I've also never paid him much attention so I might have missed something. 

He used to describe his male ideal type in thorough details. There were his multiple statements (the lyrics you mentioned, the "I don' have a female ideal type, it's more of an atmosphere and it's not limited to gender/a girl" and "Nothing's wrong, everyone's equal" that even Namjoon who's known for open-mindness didn't dare to say that bluntly). Or when asked about what he looked first in a woman later in his career, he said "her bag". Lately he's been seen wearing limited LGBT Vans limited edition only available in stores from a campaign that raised 50k to prevent suicide among LGBT people and the members all had their personal clothes that day. That's what comes to mind.

Edited April 11, 2022 by OptimusPremier

[persuasions]

2 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

Why have a negative attitude on this?

You can disagree on this matter, you don't have to get triggered or angry. Just close the page and move on from this subject, but don't waist your energy on matters that aren't that big. 

Sorry, but this is no small issue imo. if u are on tt u see plenty of all kinds of shippers being happy that Dispatch "ships" some gay couples. I find it deeply troubling when ppl talk like that and wish for them to be known among that scandalous news sites.

[lighterxx]

1 minute ago, OptimusPremier said:

He used to describe his male ideal type in thorough details. There were his multiple statements (the lyrics you mentioned, the "I don' have a female ideal type, it's more of an atmosphere and it's not limited to gender/a girl" and "Nothing's wrong, everyone's equal" that even Namjoon who's known for open-mindness didn't dare to say that bluntly). There were also this exchange: JK "How do you ask a girl out?" YG "You say get out". Or when asked about what he looked first in a woman later in his career, he said "her bag". Lately he's been seen wearing limited LGBT Vans limited edition only available in stores from a campaign that raised 50k to prevent suicide among LGBT people and the members all had their personal clothes that day. That's what comes to mind.

I would say bolded ones are in no way proof of anything honestly if you ask me o.o i would like to hear him talk about his male ideal type if possible however *^*

 

[ga_shina]

6 minutes ago, OptimusPremier said:

He used to describe his male ideal type in thorough details. There were his multiple statements (the lyrics you mentioned, the "I don' have a female ideal type, it's more of an atmosphere and it's not limited to gender/a girl" and "Nothing's wrong, everyone's equal" that even Namjoon who's known for open-mindness didn't dare to say that bluntly). There were also this exchange: JK "How do you ask a girl out?" YG "You say get out". Or when asked about what he looked first in a woman later in his career, he said "her bag". Lately he's been seen wearing limited LGBT Vans limited edition only available in stores from a campaign that raised 50k to prevent suicide among LGBT people and the members all had their personal clothes that day. That's what comes to mind.

Do you have the source for the quote of it’s not limited to gender? I have never come across it and I like to think I am a BTS fan It’s interesting because he never gave me any vibes. But who knows really. 
 
As an lgb person I’m just happy that idols I like are supportive and not just silently supportive

Edited January 8, 2021 by ga_shina

[persuasions]

Yep , I am deeply triggered by news papers knowing about gay couples. Do u know, that is like a life sentence or something.

People can agree that a closeted couple in Kr will want to be hidden and not known by any news site in that homophobic country??? and no, saying xy couple is being shipped by Dispatch and that shows how together they are will forever turn my stomach. At least use another word than shipping cause I despise it deeply here. I'd rather call it fat cat playing with a mouse that keeps feeding her on the side.

Edited January 8, 2021 by persuasions

[OptimusPremier]

37 minutes ago, ga_shina said:

I know this was discussed a few pages ago (about Suga's lyrics that his rap is so good it will make girls and guys come) and it reminded me a bit of this:

"Even my hyung's friends shout out "bravo"
Even in the army when they see me they forget about national security
Lesbianism is definitely declining all thanks to me
because even lesbians get wet due to my "flow""

-Bewhy Ice Cream

I understand everyone has a different perspective on what Suga said but to me it really comes across as the typical hip hop bragging. Btw in no way shape or form am I saying that Suga is homophobic. 

I'll kindly disagree on "making a guy come with my tongue" being on par with "my hyung's friend shout out bravo, even in the army when they see me they forget about national security". These last lines feel more like he makes fanboys out of "real men" like even them would lose their "pride" for him or some shit (those lyrics are pure trash btw, what a homophobic, sexist piece of shit) while Yoongi talks about his fanboys (and girls) j*rking off or having wet dreams about him from how good he is. That's not exactly the same "wish". Beewhy's wish is to make lesbians come (entitled trash, in his dreams, he's seriously fucked up).

[ga_shina]

1 minute ago, OptimusPremier said:

I'll kindly disagree on "making a guy come with my tongue" being on par with "my hyung's friend shout out bravo, even in the army when they see me they forget about national security". These last lines feel more like he makes fanboys out of "real men" like even them would lose their "pride" for him or some shit (those lyrics are pure trash btw, what a homophobic, sexist piece of shit) while Yoongi talks about his fanboys (and girls) j*rking off or having wet dreams about him from how good he is. That's not exactly the same "wish". Beewhy's wish is to make lesbians come (entitled trash, in his dreams, he's seriously fucked up).

I didn’t say it was on par. I just said that it reminded me of those lyrics. Stuff like that is very common with rappers. Zico also has some questionable lyrics. It’s all distasteful bragging although Suga’s isn’t bad. Plus Suga has shown support for the lgb community so I don’t think he meant it in a bad way. 
 

A bit off topic but there is a gay character in the show Record of Youth (2020) with Park Bogum. The character can be considered problematic but it’s nice to see more representation regardless. 

[OptimusPremier]

19 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

I would say bolded ones are in no way proof of anything honestly if you ask me o.o i would like to hear him talk about his male ideal type if possible however *^*

 

 

17 minutes ago, ga_shina said:

Do you have the source for the quote of it’s not limited to gender? I have never come across it and I like to think I am a BTS fan It’s interesting because he never gave me any vibes. But who knows really. 
 
As an lgb person I’m just happy that idols I like are supportive and not just silently supportive

He met him btw the male ideal type he described Cha Seungwon and as you can see he didn't hesitate one second:

According to Korean/japanese people this is the most accurate translation of what he said (as you can guess a lot of het fans argued he didn't mean so translators had to come through together to actually support his statement):

The Vans:

Everyone's equal :

 

I'm also glad that you don't think Yoongi and thay guy's lyrics are on par! I feel like Yoongi's hip-hop bragging, as you put it, is really just that but coming from a LGBT person.

Edited January 8, 2021 by OptimusPremier

[ga_shina]

9 minutes ago, OptimusPremier said:

 

He met him btw the male ideal type he described Cha Seungwon and as you can see he didn't hesitate one second:

According to Korean/japanese people this is the most accurate translation of what he said (as you can guess a lot of het fans argued he didn't mean so translators had to come through together to actually support his statement):

The Vans:

Everyone's equal :

 

I'm also glad that you don't think Yoongi and thay guy's lyrics are on par! I feel like Yoongi's hip-hop bragging, as you put it, is really just that but coming from a LGBT person.

Thanks for this! Suga is so intriguing as a person. There’s been quite a few idols who have said they don’t care about gender and people still say they are straight  

[Dont mind me]

24 minutes ago, persuasions said:

Yep , I am deeply triggered by news papers knowing about gay couples. Do u know, that is like a life sentence or something.

People can agree that a closeted couple in Kr will want to be hidden and not known by any news site in that homophobic country??? and no, saying xy couple is being shipped by Dispatch and that shows how together they are will forever turn my stomach. At least use another word than shipping cause I despise it deeply here. I'd rather call it fat cat playing with a mouse that keeps feeding her on the side.

I fully understand were you are coming from, however I don't think anyone was doing that on this from or had any intention on using dispatch info to out an idol on TT ( and I don't use TT) 

We all know how fucked up SK is about gay rights, those who are part of the LGBTQ community wouldn't do that to another one us. Or at least I hope so. 

[Dont mind me]

18 minutes ago, OptimusPremier said:

 

He met him btw the male ideal type he described Cha Seungwon and as you can see he didn't hesitate one second:

According to Korean/japanese people this is the most accurate translation of what he said (as you can guess a lot of het fans argued he didn't mean so translators had to come through together to actually support his statement):

The Vans:

Everyone's equal :

 

I'm also glad that you don't think Yoongi and thay guy's lyrics are on par! I feel like Yoongi's hip-hop bragging, as you put it, is really just that but coming from a LGBT person.

Hmm, maybe if BTS wasn't so big he would be able to show more of himself as sehun/ten does. 

[ga_shina]

This is in no means evidence but I find it interesting that V really likes Yunho. You know what they say birds of a feather...

TVXQ’s Yunho Reminisces With Kim Heechul And Donghae + Looks Back On Letters From Park Bo Gum And BTS’s J-Hope And V

https://www.soompi.com/article/1447704wpp/tvxqs-yunho-reminisces-with-kim-heechul-and-donghae-looks-back-on-letters-from-park-bo-gum-and-btss-j-hope-and-v

[OptimusPremier]

Let me add this:

He thinks men from Gyeongsang-do are handsome:

 

He used to make up stories about male celebrities:

 

[dumdidumdi]

2 minutes ago, OptimusPremier said:

Let me add this:

He thinks men from Gyeongsang-do are handsome:

 

He used to make up stories about male celebrities:

 

The first one I think he's just saying he's handsome, because he's from Gyeongsang.

There is also this moment, where he says Hobi's sister is pretty because she looks like Hobi with long hair.

 

[ga_shina]

2 minutes ago, dumdidumdi said:

The first one I think he's just saying he's handsome, because he's from Gyeongsang.

There is also this moment, where he says Hobi's sister is pretty because she looks like Hobi with long hair.

 

I don’t think this is much evidence tbh. BTS are pretty known for complementing each other all the time on their looks. Unless you mean that he only thinks she’s pretty because she looks like J-Hope? 

[lighterxx]

Alright i want to share something cute as I stumbled upon it lmao 

 

its the commentary for me, especially "HE IS SQUEEZING IT" at the background lmao 

[lighterxx]

OTHER than the funny post right here ^ lol

I do think Yoongi is very sus now o.o however like g_shina said i wouldnt take compliments as a sign, with him strongest sign seems to be his ideal type video @OptimusPremier shared 

[OptimusPremier]

On 1/8/2021 at 10:49 PM, dumdidumdi said:

The first one I think he's just saying he's handsome, because he's from Gyeongsang.

There is also this moment, where he says Hobi's sister is pretty because she looks like Hobi with long hair.

 

bgkrfjled yeah I know, could be. But I like to think Yoongi could be sneaky like that ^^ 

I'd like to bid higher with Yoongi's love for muscles:

When Tae came to flex his muscles, I had never heard that kind of giggle from Yoongi:

He only looks at chests:

Also he doesn't take a handshake as an acceptable greeting from a tall handsome man:

Edited April 11, 2022 by OptimusPremier

[ga_shina]

10 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

OTHER than the funny post right here ^ lol

I do think Yoongi is very sus now o.o however like g_shina said i wouldnt take compliments as a sign, with him strongest sign seems to be his ideal type video @OptimusPremier shared 

Men in Korea compliment each other very often (and not just celebrities). I’ve watched a lot of videos with just random Korean guys and they love to call each other handsome or sexy especially when they first meet. It’s very different from Western countries which is why I never think of it as “evidence”. 

[lighterxx]

4 minutes ago, ga_shina said:

Men in Korea compliment each other very often (and not just celebrities). I’ve watched a lot of videos with just random Korean guys and they love to call each other handsome or sexy especially when they first meet. It’s very different from Western countries which is why I never think of it as “evidence”. 

Even middle eastern men do that, i think its a very western idea to assume it is a sign

[dumdidumdi]

3 hours ago, OptimusPremier said:

Oh my god, I just said I wasn't campaigning  I just wanted to discuss some specific points with people who already think they're dating! 
And it's honestly hard to "prove", like they're not fanservice-y or anything. I can't believe I'm going to do this...

There's a lot of stuff here, but I'll try to respond briefly. Firstly, I didn't think they were dating before I read this, and I don't think that now either. I'm not trying to be mean, I just want it to be clear where I'm coming from. And speaking of my own biases, I already think both Yoongi and Tae are LGBT+, so that definitely influences how I perceive these moments between them. 

3 hours ago, OptimusPremier said:

- in march 2018 Namjoon and Hobi brought a birthday cake but the video is cut, as if they didn't want to show who opened the door. Coincidentally Tae’s slippers were on the door mat (seen wearing it inside the BigHit building 2 months earlier). For some reason they randomly chose to explain the cut during FESTA dinner AND Suga's FESTA written profile 3 months later like what's the point, fans had moved on anyway (Hobi during the dinner said it was because Yoongi had just dyed his hair black and Yoongi in his Festa profile said it was because there were only 5 candles and had gotten angry at them: why the different explanations?).

I don't really find this suspicious. Them bringing it up later isn't that weird, they still reference things that happened years ago, like the infamous dumpling incident, and obviously everyone remembers things differently, so the the different explanations aren't that odd. I think he just didn't want to be filmed.

A similar issue is the Daydream MV shoot you mention. I feel like the whole "BH lied" conspiracy is a bit too much, and a much simpler explanation is that the editors don't know exactly what happened because they weren't on set. At that point, didn't BTS still live together? It wouldn't raise any eyebrows if they showed Tae and Yoongi coming together, so I don't see the point in hiding it. I feel like this sort of thing has happened before and is still going to happen because either the editors just don't know what happened or because they feel like the context isn't necessary to enjoy the video, so they shortcut a lot of things.

3 hours ago, OptimusPremier said:

- in GDA 2019 the host asked Jin to kiss the trophy or Tae. Tae immediately protested "I don't want to kiss this hyung" and looked at Yoongi. It made Yoongi very flustered, he looked shy and Namjoon laughed at him when the host kept insisting:

And you point out a lot of moments like these, but there's so many moments like these between any of the members. It's why BTS have such dedicated shippers (especially Jikook and Taekook) shippers. It's a difficult situation, because if they were dating, even if they were super careful, obviously there'd be some moments like these where they slip up a bit on camera. And if you already thought they were a little sus, you have confirmation bias so you're more likely to see an otherwise normal moment and interpret it as romantic. The reason why I point this out is that I think it's useful to ask yourself "If this exact situation happened between any other two members would I still find it suspicious?". I think most of the time the answer will be no. (I'm not trying to convince you of anything, you're free to believe they're dating if you want)

Sometimes these moments get taken way too far by fans. Like the whole "Jikook ear nibbling incident" on stage. The first video came out and people were convinced it happened and Jikookers rejoiced, and then other fans (mostly Jimin antis, let's be real) disproved the video by showing another angle where it doesn't look like he's biting his ear, and then Jikookers tried disproving that, and Taekookers tried disproving that and it went on and on. My point is that even though this was an ongoing battle people now will still believe whichever side they want to believe, even though both camps have equal proof. It's a silly example, but someone mentioned it here earlier so it was the first thing that came to mind. 

Okay, now onto my theory on Taegi, heavily influenced by the fact I think they're both part of the LGBT+ community and me reading your long list of receipts and trying to rationalize it: I feel like they have a sort of mentor/mentee relationship. Stigma, the most gay coded song to exist, that indicates a struggle in self-acceptance on Tae's part (and obviously the lack of acceptance from his family and/or society) came out late 2016. A couple of months later, BTS film Bon Voyage Season 2. Yoongi and Taehyung get paired off and become much closer than they were before. To me, it comes across as a baby gay (Tae) finding comfort in relating to a more experienced person who has already accepted themselves (Yoongi). Another reason why I think this is the case is the message he sent him later on that made him cry. You mention this, and honestly I've never seen anyone point out discrepancies and poke holes in the story, if you could provide video of where they contradict themselves I would love to see it. He says he sent the same message (or a very similar one) to JK. You say Tae has the passcode to Yoongi's studio, but it's been mentioned that JK knows it too, or at least he used to. I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like Yoongi has a different kind of relationship to Tae and JK than he has with the other maknae-line member, Jimin. It seems like he takes care of them more, coddles them more and is much closer to them. I've just always found it odd that Yoongi treats Jimin more like an equal (in age) and Tae and JK like they're his baby brothers and often goes along with their antics (like his tsundere hand-holding you've linked) . Maybe it's because he thinks Jimin is more mature than them, or their personalities just clash differently, I don't know. This is just a very delulu theory. Now, Yoongi, Tae and JK are the only members where I'm 99% sure they're not straight, so I feel like this is definitely influencing the way I see this, but I think it is possible he treats them differently because they came to him for support because he could relate to them. Now even if you don't believe my whole theory (I don't blame you at all, I'm not sure even I believe myself), the fact that a lot of the receipts you have for Taegi could work for Yoonkook if you just find similar moments where JK is involved says something about it all.

TL;DR: I do think Taegi are closer than they appear, and it is likely because they're both LGBT, but not because they're dating.

[dumdidumdi]

1 hour ago, ga_shina said:

I don’t think this is much evidence tbh. BTS are pretty known for complementing each other all the time on their looks. Unless you mean that he only thinks she’s pretty because she looks like J-Hope? 

Trust me, I agree. I was adding onto the list @OptimusPremier started. There's definitely more convincing proof than him saying Hobi is good looking. I just found his phrasing (like you said, she's only pretty because she looks like him) funny and fitting for this thread. Not exactly high-tier proof of anything.

Edit: How do you tag someone here...

Edited January 8, 2021 by dumdidumdi

[OptimusPremier]

On 1/8/2021 at 11:51 PM, dumdidumdi said:

There's a lot of stuff here, but I'll try to respond briefly. Firstly, I didn't think they were dating before I read this, and I don't think that now either. I'm not trying to be mean, I just want it to be clear where I'm coming from. And speaking of my own biases, I already think both Yoongi and Tae are LGBT+, so that definitely influences how I perceive these moments between them. 

I don't really find this suspicious. Them bringing it up later isn't that weird, they still reference things that happened years ago, like the infamous dumpling incident, and obviously everyone remembers things differently, so the the different explanations aren't that odd. I think he just didn't want to be filmed.

A similar issue is the Daydream MV shoot you mention. I feel like the whole "BH lied" conspiracy is a bit too much, and a much simpler explanation is that the editors don't know exactly what happened because they weren't on set. At that point, didn't BTS still live together? It wouldn't raise any eyebrows if they showed Tae and Yoongi coming together, so I don't see the point in hiding it. I feel like this sort of thing has happened before and is still going to happen because either the editors just don't know what happened or because they feel like the context isn't necessary to enjoy the video, so they shortcut a lot of things.

And you point out a lot of moments like these, but there's so many moments like these between any of the members. It's why BTS have such dedicated shippers (especially Jikook and Taekook) shippers. It's a difficult situation, because if they were dating, even if they were super careful, obviously there'd be some moments like these where they slip up a bit on camera. And if you already thought they were a little sus, you have confirmation bias so you're more likely to see an otherwise normal moment and interpret it as romantic. The reason why I point this out is that I think it's useful to ask yourself "If this exact situation happened between any other two members would I still find it suspicious?". I think most of the time the answer will be no. (I'm not trying to convince you of anything, you're free to believe they're dating if you want)

Sometimes these moments get taken way too far by fans. Like the whole "Jikook ear nibbling incident" on stage. The first video came out and people were convinced it happened and Jikookers rejoiced, and then other fans (mostly Jimin antis, let's be real) disproved the video by showing another angle where it doesn't look like he's biting his ear, and then Jikookers tried disproving that, and Taekookers tried disproving that and it went on and on. My point is that even though this was an ongoing battle people now will still believe whichever side they want to believe, even though both camps have equal proof. It's a silly example, but someone mentioned it here earlier so it was the first thing that came to mind. 

Okay, now onto my theory on Taegi, heavily influenced by the fact I think they're both part of the LGBT+ community and me reading your long list of receipts and trying to rationalize it: I feel like they have a sort of mentor/mentee relationship. Stigma, the most gay coded song to exist, that indicates a struggle in self-acceptance on Tae's part (and obviously the lack of acceptance from his family and/or society) came out late 2016. A couple of months later, BTS film Bon Voyage Season 2. Yoongi and Taehyung get paired off and become much closer than they were before. To me, it comes across as a baby gay (Tae) finding comfort in relating to a more experienced person who has already accepted themselves (Yoongi). Another reason why I think this is the case is the message he sent him later on that made him cry. You mention this, and honestly I've never seen anyone point out discrepancies and poke holes in the story, if you could provide video of where they contradict themselves I would love to see it. He says he sent the same message (or a very similar one) to JK. You say Tae has the passcode to Yoongi's studio, but it's been mentioned that JK knows it too, or at least he used to. I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like Yoongi has a different kind of relationship to Tae and JK than he has with the other maknae-line member, Jimin. It seems like he takes care of them more, coddles them more and is much closer to them. I've just always found it odd that Yoongi treats Jimin more like an equal (in age) and Tae and JK like they're his baby brothers and often goes along with their antics (like his tsundere hand-holding you've linked) . Maybe it's because he thinks Jimin is more mature than them, or their personalities just clash differently, I don't know. This is just a very delulu theory. Now, Yoongi, Tae and JK are the only members where I'm 99% sure they're not straight, so I feel like this is definitely influencing the way I see this, but I think it is possible he treats them differently because they came to him for support because he could relate to them. Now even if you don't believe my whole theory (I don't blame you at all, I'm not sure even I believe myself), the fact that a lot of the receipts you have for Taegi could work for Yoonkook if you just find similar moments where JK is involved says something about it all.

TL;DR: I do think Taegi are closer than they appear, and it is likely because they're both LGBT, but not because they're dating.

I don't mind you not agreeing, no worries! ^^

But just so you know the stuff I posted are not the actual foundations for what I think. I tried to demonstrate the way it progressed throughout the years to, like, give off the feeling I got while seeing the group evolve throughout the years but I had a hunch it just wasn't something demonstrable with pics and videos (you see it or you don't, most likely only if you saw it happening). And it seemed like I was right about that.

For example, the things that don't add up about the Daydream MV or the text might be explainable otherwise and honestly, I wouldn't mind. I don't pretend I know everything about what went on and I'm probably wrong about lot of things. Those moments are not reasons of my belief and the fact that they went together at the same time with Yeontan or that Yoongi sent him a long sad text with "I love you" are enough to make sense of how and when it happened. 

There are thousands and thousands of successive moments, interactions and words that keep making sense/reinforcing my suspicions with time but it would be impossible to understand without living them I guess. Also I'm not hung up on it either, that's why I said I was 90% sure and I would accept it with fair-play if bluntly proven wrong. As of now that just makes sense for me.

I won't try to make a point for it though, I'm just trying to show you where I'm coming from.

Edited April 11, 2022 by OptimusPremier