Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Josaline]

25 minutes ago, dododododododo said:

What *I’m* trying to point out is the song name has “girl” in it and otherwise there is nothing gender specific about Yoongi’s verse (or even the song’s general concept). 

I think that's enough to understand what a song is talking about, but I won't know about you guys lol

[Josaline]

15 hours ago, dododododododo said:

You’re just being obtuse now lol 

 

14 hours ago, raspberry84 said:

At this point you are ignoring everything and focusing on the title. It's been explained to you by multiple people why that isn't relevant.

I feel like you want the song to be proof Yoongi likes girls and are upset others are not viewing it as having value or significance.

You guys now act like the world is going to end once you admit that the song is about a girl, which is hilarious. When you buy a book with a picture of a tomato on the cover and a tomato in the title, it seems like you are waiting for information about cucumbers to appear in it lol People have repeatedly explained to you that most songs in Korean are written in a gender neutral way. There's no need to act like Yoongi has never written a song for a girl before. As he himself admitted, he wrote Let Me Know for his ex-girlfriend, we all know. It's not good to be so in denial. Even Taehyung has chosen " She " in every English song he's ever written. I'm not pushing this aside. I always keep it in the back of my mind. I recommend it to you too.

[Josaline]

17 minutes ago, Chika Chika said:

Have any of these blind items ever been true? Like ever? 

Shawn and Camilla. As far as I remember, a blind item was posted about a month before the two announced that they were dating, that Shawn was going to have a fake/cover up relationship with a woman his company arranged.

Edited December 12, 2021 by Josaline

[Josaline]

That time when Jin was asked if he ever received any chocolates for Valentine's Day and he kept insisting that he didn't receive any, so Suga had to 'clarify' that Jin went to an all-boys school and the situation became more suspicious because Jin shakes his head as if he's warn him. And Namjoon's face lol

[Josaline]

Seems like RM with 4 people?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CXjKf4ruR9F/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=a61b48d2-bfe2-447a-ac31-8e47907d4fb8

 

[Josaline]

1 hour ago, Baby_Lion said:

@mEeEeE

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I think we have very different thought but I will state my opinion to your question:    
1. As I have said already, said sorry to his siblings can be a metaphor for saying sorry for his whole family. Or it can be he come out to his siblings first and he think that can be a burden on them, especially to his younger brother since Tae is the eldest son. If he said sorry to his parents, the song is too obvious.
2.He used to live with his grandma until around 15 because of his family poor living conditions. So he definitely do not know much about his siblings life to know any abusive person (if any) around them. His parents definitely know more and do something already if his siblings were being abused.       
3. Not have enough time with his siblings to treat them well is not his fault, it’s his family condition and trainee days. It not that serious for him to feel like a guilty and consider a stigma. 
4. Read the lyrics again, the one who he feel so bad because he can not protect them is a mysterious person. 

This is from Namjoon's vlive explaining wings solos and the only time he spoke about Stigma " Honestly, I don't know too much about this song. I didn't talk with Taehyung about this a lot. In HYYH, when it comes to his parents and his family, Taehyung comes out as a character with a not-so-great background. I think those things overlapped and came out very dramatic. I think he probably has a secret behind story for this. Something that Taehyung thought of. "

So Stigma is probably heavily based on HYYH and the lyrics do make the most sense when thinking it in that context instead of his sexuality. When RM said "secret behind story" doesn't necessarily mean as in his own personal life, but probably Tae's own interpretation or development of his character's story. In the clips, both he and his sister are abused by their alcoholic father. But in the lyrics of the song, it seems like he is apologizing to both his sister and brother. The reason for this may be that he is apologizing to both his sister and other members he sees as his brother. Taehyung has never said the song is personal or deep for him and neither has RM. There's nothing that indicates this song is about his sexuality or personal story. As for the writing credits Tae is third behind Philtre, Slow Rabbit, Bang pd. And i remember he said he only wrote the chorus in one clip.

 

[Josaline]

24 minutes ago, Baby_Lion said:

Lmao 2 of them look like his parents. Don’t tell me that this is Namjoon, his parents and his “friend”. I mean ...

He has a sister, but I suspect it's her mother because of her hairstyle. He seems to be with his mom, dad and friend^^

 

Edit: I hadn't seen the above message, now after looking at it I take back my theory. Maybe 4 friends are traveling together?

Edited December 16, 2021 by Josaline

[Josaline]

18 hours ago, mEeEeE said:

 

So on one hand, the song is very deep and personal to him 

and on the other it isn’t, he only wrote the chorus…three others had more input than him.

???  

The HYYH scenes with the abusive father/domestic violence fits more with the lyrics than it being about his sexuality.

Like I said before, it could be about bullying at school and him not doing something about it/was a bystander?

These lines are interesting I don’t know what to make of it…

”You who were punished in my stead”. “You who were delicate and fragile”.

If you take it literally and connect it with HYYH…it could mean he feels he should’ve been the one to cop the abuse and not his “delicate and fragile” younger siblings and mother? 

As @Josalinesaid, didn’t Namjoon talk about Stigma in the context of HYYH?

And Verse 2:
“Stop crying, tell me something
Try saying to me, who had no courage
Why did you do that to me then
I'm sorry
Forget it, what right do I have
To tell you to do this, or that”

Now is he saying someone did something to him? Or is he telling someone to ask him why he did something to them? I’m confused.

Even a situation where someone he knew was r*ped and he didn’t do anything to help at the time… the guilt eating him alive, makes more sense than it being about his sexuality.  
“Now I can’t endure it anymore. Why couldn’t I say it then”. 
“Please let me be punished. Please forgive me for my sins”. “Please”. “That light, that light, please illuminate my sins”. “Where I can’t turn back”…he doesn’t want to hide from his sins anymore. 

Unless he’s feeling intensely guilty about having lead a girl on despite him really being gay… 

 

15 hours ago, Baby_Lion said:

@mEeEeE @Josaline

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The lyrics both fit the HYYH story and Taehyung personal story (the one we still not know what it was about). The way many people only reduced “Stigma” lyrics to HYYH and webtoon storyline threw me off. The other 6 solo songs are clear as day talking about their own experience, it will not make sense if Taehyung’s song is not his personal story. HYYH storyline is how the MV go, also in “Save me” Webtoon the lyric is about Tae’s character abusive family. 

Namjoon:

" Honestly, I don't know too much about this song. I didn't talk with Taehyung about this a lot. In HYYH, when it comes to his parents and his family, Taehyung comes out as a character with a not-so-great background. I think those things overlapped and came out very dramatic. I think he probably has a secret behind story for this. Something that Taehyung thought of. "         

Other solo songs have other producers credit too, but Namjoon had made it clear that the LYRICS are fit to each members personality and real experience. The other producers co-work on the MELODY, BEATS and LYRICS. For example Seokjin “Awake” lyrics was written by Namjoon and Bang PD based on Jin’s personality and story; and Jungkook didn’t even have his credit in “Begin”, but Namjoon wrote that song based on what Jungkook have wrote before about how JK moved to Seoul and began his trainee days with BTS (“Begin” first wrote by JK but then he thought it’s too difficult so NJ wrote it for him)

@mEeEeE

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“And Verse 2:
“Stop crying, tell me something
Try saying to me, who had no courage
Why did you do that to me then
I'm sorry
Forget it, what right do I have
To tell you to do this, or that”

Is he saying this person should ask him why did he do something to them or is he asking why that person did something to him? I’m confused.”

I think the lyrics mean he wants the mysterious X to stop crying and instead ask him “Why did you (Taehyung) do (something Taehyung did or couldn’t say lead to other person being taken all the blame for) that to me then”. The way the other person just crying and not say anything to him make Taehyung hurt more. 

You may not remember or have forgotten some details, but I would like to remind you briefly.

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In fact, the other members' songs were inspired by a bit themselves but mainly their characters in the BU universe. For example, Hobi's song was intended for his mother, but in the BU universe, Hobi was a character with psychological problems due to being abandoned by his mother in the park. So it made sense that his song was meant for his mother. Jimin's song Lie was actually compatible with his character in the BU universe too. Because Jimin in BU universe was someone who lied to everyone and hid his problems because of something he witnessed or happened to him. Fans' theory was that he was a rape victim, which explains why he was so obsessed with cleaning himself in the water.

 

Tae's character, on the other hand, was the one who hid the truth from his friends that Jin was ratting them on the headmaster, which resulted in their group falling apart, causing Suga to burn himself in his hotel room while Jin crashed his car into Jungkook and killing him. He was also the only person other than Jin who had dreams of traveling back in time and was suspicious of the situation. Tae's character was one with a guilty conscience for not being able to protect his sister from his alcoholic father and his friends from what had happened to them. From these perspectives, the song actually makes sense. 

 

But as you guys said, songs can be interpreted in different ways. Being a song where everyone can find something for themselves really puts Stigma on a different level^^

 

 

[Josaline]

ıdk him but I saw this on my tl

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Josaline]

1 hour ago, lovelove1997 said:

I have a picture but i dont know if i should post it, i dont even know how to because it doesnt have an url, its an screen shoot 

Upload here https://imgur.com/  then post the link here

[Josaline]

I think people misunderstand the part where they choose their clothes themselves. Vouge prepared outfits for them and the members choose their outfits. So it's Vouge who actually selects and prepares the clothes. I don't think the members really chose their outfits by thinking about it in such detail.

Edited December 24, 2021 by Josaline

[Josaline]

I'm so glad that most of the reactions are positive, I hope all goes well for him.

[Josaline]

Taehyung's IG post ♥ 

 

[Josaline]

15 hours ago, Kpop_fan178 said:

So i am not sure if y'all know about this, it's been out already for a few weeks though. A Taiwanese singer Wang Leehom has been exposed by his wife for infidelity in a lengthy insta post. Basically among other bad things he did like having sex with underage girls, etc etc she is talking about how he cheated on her with multiple people and is insinuating that he also cheated on her with men. As a little context, this dude has gay rumours before he got married and also was linked to another male celebrity Li Yundi and is speculated that they maintained a "relationship" for almost a decade. She also talks briefly about a male instructor and refers to him as "friend" between commas. And the last thing that struck to me was her final message "And I hope you can be honest with yourself and ignore conventions and society's judgment. Be with someone who is right for you."  

 

Honestly this scandal just made me sad for both her and him but also it reminded me of how bad the need to conform to society is in people even if it means negating your own feelings.

 

Here are 3 links but it's very easy to find on google information:

https://www.straitstimes.com/life/entertainment/singer-wang-leehom-ex-wife-releases-expose-alleges-multiple-infidelities

https://hype.my/2021/256797/wang-leehom-cheated-jay-chou/

https://cnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com/entertainment/taiwanese-singer-wang-leehom-li-yundi-gay-rumours-253631

I posted it news but clowned for a some reason that I don't understand.

[Josaline]

" There are no perfect secrets in the world " 

 

Dispatch knows well what it is doing and to whom it is sending messages.

Edited January 1, 2022 by Josaline

[Josaline]

11 hours ago, mEeEeE said:

Looks like they eventually came through.
 

https://www.koreadispatch.com/2022/01/03/breaking-t-ara-member-hyomin-and-bordeaux-soccer-player-hwang-ui-jo-confirm-relationship

T-ara Hyomin and Soccer player Hwang-ui-jo

Edit: why the clowns, did I get something wrong??

Dispatch did not reveal the couple tho.. Sports Chosun did, Dispatch just followed suit.

[Josaline]

News news~

 

[Josaline]

3 hours ago, miwa201 said:

I've actually seen someone do an "analysis" (lol it already sounds stupid by writing it down) where they said that Jungkook didn't actually bite/suck his ear but he was whispering something in his ear instead. Wish I could find it and post it here but either way even if he did suck/bite on it, it's exactly what I mean when I say they still do shippy stuff. And like you already mentioned, they do quite a lot of it in concerts (during the LY/SY tours Taehyung and Jin would get into each other's faces during So What, Taehyung and Jungkook would do some stuff during DNA and Boy With Luv to the point that there are compilations of these moments on Youtube, at the most recent concert there was a blatant Jikook fan service act etc). The way I see it concerts are the perfect spot for textbook fan service, because fans are literally right there watching it. 

In a Run BTS episode they showed the clip of Taehyung kissing Jin's cheek and Taehyung said armys like seeing stuff like that. They all know very well what fans like and what they want. The closest we got to any of them telling off shippers is that Taehyung Weverse comment but the true meaning of what he meant has been debated to all ends so it doesn't even matter. My point is that they still do shippy fan service which I find a bit weird considering how established they are. As for y/n the only thing I can think of is some of Jungkook's comments on vlive which I find hilarious bc if he got into a dating scandal he'd def get the worst reaction of them all.

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Putting this into a spoiler bc it's not relevant to the thread. But I've seen someone on knetizen bring up Big Bang in terms of how they have male fans and it's true that in terms of digital strength and overall popularity they were the closest thing to what BTS is now yet I don't seem to recall them doing this kind of fan service? Yeah they did have those drama parodies but they were never taken seriously so it didn't come off as fan service. G-Dragon is their most popular member yet he's been in a million dating scandals and his popularity/reputation is untouched. I wonder why Big Hit/the members themselves still feel the need to do fan service when they're so popular.

 

For the question in the spoiler, I think, Army fandom is the biggest fandom in the world. While OT7 fans make up the majority, solos and shippers also make up a large part of the fandom. Even BTS's most popular ship has the sales potential of a medium popularity group. I don't think any company wants to lose that potential easily. This will reinforce the success of the members as a unit, and it is also a situation that fosters the group's feature, which we call Member Ai in Jpop. 

 

BTS members are really close to each other but I guess no one can deny that they do fanservice. Fanservice isn't just about pepero game. By the way, BTS members often kiss each other. We all remember that the video where they kiss each other in turn when they want to show their support for each other is released in paid platform. Even Yoongi kissed Tae's head there lol Not to mention the fact that Jimin tries to kiss Jungkook in front of the cameras at every opportunity. HYBE uses everything they can find for it's own benefit, and when they can't find anything, they creates Wattpad stories filled with ships  

 

[Josaline]

3 hours ago, SingulariV said:

They kicked off the webtoon and Jimin and JK's meeting in episode1 seems nothing like they said it would so I'm confused by what this is, some Wattpad spin-off?

Still holding out for not really pushing ships because anime can be 'bromantic' with the whole 'fates drove is together' or at least they keep it to Namkook which is sorta canon and don't touch the kryptonite ships. Kinda worrying about 'Tae loves beom' x 'JK is half-beom'. 

The webtoon has a Times Square ad, if they pushed a ship it's going to be confusing for my personal gay calculations. I doubt they want to expose a gay member to that sort of publicity. I'm always torn between whether an LGBTQ+ member would be happier being publicly perceived as gay or be comfortable in the shadows - or some constant balancing act. Moonbyul definitely made some points with her new song and MV but webtoon is more fanservice than authentic statement.

This whole Webtoon thing is so cringe. If they plan to process the story in parallel with the BTS members meeting each other for the first time, it makes sense that Namkook is processed first. Jungkook has always talked about how impressed he was when he first saw Namjoon, and now they seem to have used it a bit in the story. Then I think Taekook and Jikook's relationship will be processed. They'll use a little bit of each ship but with the no homo bro message. But they are on a thin tightrope. A slight misrepresentation could cause the entire fandom to cancel the Webtoon. Most of the fandom doesn't really care much for this Webtoon anyway. It looks like they have no choice but to use the shippers.

 

[Josaline]

I can understand liking or following something by accident but a whole post + caption?! If he was drunk he would not have deleted it so fast. No way he didn't do it in purpose. He knew what he was doing. Man really changed his caption and decided to delete it all together as if we hadn’t caught on already lol

 

[Josaline]

14 minutes ago, gam3 bo1 said:

i don't think it was deleted because leslie cheung is bi. bts have openly posted about lgbt media and everyone knows how much taehyung loves call me by your name. taehyung just seems to delete posts that he does late at night all the time, i kinda doubt it's that deep.

And then he diverted all the attention by posting a picture of swimming Jungkook and a man surfing with a love song playing in the background. Yes, it's definitely not that deep lol

[Josaline]

Just now, miwa201 said:

I can't tell what he's trying to accomplish here honestly. What's the point in the IG story with that photo? It's either baiting shippers (wouldn't be the first time he did it) or outing him and Jungkook which seems a bit unfair for Jungkook (but again, I don't think they're a thing, I'm just trying to understand what's going on here).

I think he probably just wanted to use the shippers to divert attention from his previous post.

[Josaline]

1 minute ago, miwa201 said:

But logically people are blowing up the story precisely because he posted it after the LC post and deleted both. Apparently he's posted that photo several times before but only now people realized Jungkook is in the photo. If he wanted to divert attention from the post he could have just posted his face without the photo. If he really is baiting shippers then it's kinda messed up imo.

Actually he shared this picture many times before. It's even currently undeleted on one of his Instagram post and was used in BE album promotions. Tae really likes this picture. 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CXRByj4PUMK/

 

[Josaline]

1 hour ago, OptimusPremier said:

At this point Tae is doing the most within the limitations that bts is under (they still don't openly talk about the fact that they don't live together anymore and that they date, for example). It definitely conforts me in the belief that he is LGBT.

Also that's not jungkook in the pic : it's a pic of an unknown man that he took in Malta during BV (there's footage of him taking it, when he went fishing with hobi). He seems to love this picture, maybe because he's proud of it as a photographer and it holds an artistic meaning for him (a man paddling alone in the sea, it can have lots of philosophical meanings).

 

Also, on a OT note, I do agree with some people here that their relationship with the company has been weird for the past 2 years. I don't think that there's open conflict but it does feel like the company has shifted their focus away from them to produce new groups and the members are both bitter about it (but then a bit cocky because they're still successful asf) and testing how far they can go in this new uncaring environment.

It seems like the company is letting them, either to teach them a lesson or because they truly don't care (I feel like it's the results of the 2020 power struggle : the boys won, given their stock shares, and the company probably went "well OK, do whatever you want and see how you do without us controlling your image and filling up your schedules"). I think that the members are getting reassurance day by day that they don't need the company as much as the company thinks they do (which probably got them bitter asf and so that's why it shows more and more).

That would be why they opened ig accounts altogether but without official notice, as if they manage their image themselves now (even hobis sister posts vids of hobi with his family now). I also think of them asking to be invited in some k-variety shows publicly. But the members still seem scared of the consequences of publicizing their dating life and so they're tiptoeing around it.

Just a theory.

There's no way, like NO WAY, they can do this without their company's knowledge, permission and oversight. I think that the fact that they opened solo accounts on social media is probably related to their new US music label signing. It is normal for the company to start focusing on solo work as the military period is approaching. I think they're already too late for that. They're so focused to group promotions that they share almost nothing about the members' solo achievements. Nothing was even said about the HOT100 achievement of Tae's ost.

[Josaline]

9 hours ago, MybDsTm said:

What's the significance of this photo? He seems to really like it. I don't think it has to do with JK being on that photo but more likely because of surfer guy. If you check out his IG, he posted another photo of that surfer guy in black and white. And I have seen on Twitter a behind the scene photo where you can see Tae taking photo of him again

https://twitter.com/BHJ_95/status/1323081096871858176?t=x_z6gOK41y9-Bn06NllIlA&s=19

What's the significance of this photo? He seems to really like it. I don't think it has to do with JK being on that photo but more likely because of surfer guy. If you check out his IG, he posted another photo of that surfer guy in black and white. And I have seen on Twitter a behind the scene photo where you can see Tae taking photo of him again

https://twitter.com/BHJ_95/status/1323081096871858176?t=x_z6gOK41y9-Bn06NllIlA&s=19

I think Tae likes this picture so much because it looks so much like the pictures taken by the gay photographer Ante Badzim, whom he is a fan of. Ante has taken many pictures like this.