Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Bushi]

I am not sure if I'm understanding this clearly, do you mean to say that it was a PR relationship? If you're arguing that, I cannot buy it one bit. IU had the image of nation's little sister, and then suddenly she is in her PJs in a bed with an older man who is shirtless. 

 

Was he 'shirtless' though? 

 

This page puts forward a pretty convincing argument for me about the validity of the picture. A picture that in truth, there's very little to see, except the allusion of a man and woman in a friendly, casual setting. Which of course people lost their shit over because everyone knows a male and female cannot stand next to each other in Korea without people thinking they're dating (even if the reality is that many of these people are good friends and just hang out). Apparently IU brought out a 'sexy' photoshoot/calendar afterwards for her Japanese fans. She wanted to change her image from good girl to grown-up/'siren'? Bit of a coincidence. 

 

http://dailyhardeunhaeshipperphilosophy.blogspot.com/2013/07/explanations-about-eunhyuk-iu-scandal.html

 

Do I think it was a PR relationship? Yep, likely imo but case closed from my pov. This is not the thread to examine the mechanics of heterosexual events.

Edited April 27, 2019 by Bushi

[littlebee]

You've never seen Coffee Prince or any of his other amazing dramas?! He's one of my favorite actors and jaewook (along with yoo ah in, im siwan, bogum and a few others) have always pinged as gay or at least bi to me.

sadly I didn’t know who he was. I’ve only started watching some Kdramas but, Gilmore girls has entered my life again so that’s all I’ve been watching.

 

Edit* I don’t ship them but, this was cute. https://twitter.com/yutactivities/status/1121894795734081538?s=21

Edited April 27, 2019 by littlebee

[porcelain]

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[mikes1265]

im not saying hes straight but what even do these pics prove? 

 

Also, what surgery are you talking about? yunhos one of the most natural idols. hes hasnt had any work done except fixing his teeth. He had bulked up in the army and now has lost a ton of weight so his face looks even narrower. these aren't necessarily the best pics but in the recent shows hes been in he really looks great (radio star, knowing bros) 

 

You really need to look at his photos over the years,   it is so obvious he's had facial surgery more than just once

[littlebee]

You really need to look at his photos over the years, it is so obvious he's had facial surgery more than just once

if he had plastic surgery or not it doesn’t really matter. As long as he did it because he wants it and not due to anybody else I don’t care.

[Ten's Nose]

GAYS TEN WENT TO TROYE’S CONCERT WE WON TODAY

[Hikari005]

GAYS TEN WENT TO TROYE’S CONCERT WE WON TODAY

It is Troye's first sold out headlining tour in Seoul!

I'm so proud and happy people made this possible.

Hope more idols attended his concert!

Maybe there will be a BTS collab since both are in Korea!

 

 

 

Look at the crowd *-*

Edited April 27, 2019 by Hikari005

[ccyn]

It is Troye's first sold out headlining tour in Seoul!

I'm so proud and happy people made this possible.

Hope more idols attended his concert!

Maybe there will be a BTS collab since both are in Korea!

 

 

 

Look at the crowd *-*

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Jo Kwon also went (so many rainbows in the caption lmao)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bwwg0z2lyiz/

[Edgemoon]

This is from 2014

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[ccyn]

deleted; badly worded

Edited April 28, 2019 by ccyn

[raspberry84]

^^ Things like this confuse me tbh lol cause I can't figure out if it makes it a little hetero or extra gay cause of the crossdressing?? What do other people think about it?

 

Honestly, you could take Yoongi's response to be in reference to the way female fans fetishize their idols dressing up as females.

 

Because at the end of the day, putting them in dresses and wigs wasn't about them expressing their sexuality or for queer fans. It was fan service for heterosexual fangirls who enjoyed it in the same way that most fanservice between members is rooted in that fetishization.

[My Everything]

This sounds...

 

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[mkei]

^^ Things like this confuse me tbh lol cause I can't figure out if it makes it a little hetero or extra gay cause of the crossdressing?? What do other people think about it?

Being gay and liking to crossdress don't necessarily correlate. I would say most gay men wouldn't enjoy crossdressing actually

 edit: weird double quote 

Edited April 27, 2019 by mkei

[littlebee]

Lmao people are freaking out over Taeil possibly being bi on twitter. I’m reading all these tweets and people are just saying Taeil bi and some are upset over it. His power.

https://twitter.com/najaeminthelove/status/1122293706755727360?s=21

https://twitter.com/najaeminthelove/status/1122293718323646464?s=21

https://twitter.com/pjydino1234/status/1122293645867044864?s=21

* https://twitter.com/bangtanct__/status/1121551259092176896?s=21

Edited April 28, 2019 by littlebee

[ccyn]

Honestly, you could take Yoongi's response to be in reference to the way female fans fetishize their idols dressing up as females.

 

Because at the end of the day, putting them in dresses and wigs wasn't about them expressing their sexuality or for queer fans. It was fan service for heterosexual fangirls who enjoyed it in the same way that most fanservice between members is rooted in that fetishization.

 

Being gay and liking to crossdress don't necessarily correlate. I would say most gay men wouldn't enjoy crossdressing actually

 edit: weird double quote 

I completely agree with both of you, I was already aware of this. I'm sorry, I should've expanded more on what I was asking. Once again, I'm sorry if I'm wording this badly because I'm not sure how to put this. I meant that I'm not sure if it means anything when one member says that they find another member attractive when they're cross-dressing (for example when Monsta X I.M was gushing over Kihyun dressed as a girl) because it could easily be viewed as hetero or gay depending on context and how you look at it, or it could mean literally nothing. I'm really sorry if I offended anybody because I didn't mean to in the slightest!!! I worded this really badly 

[Tixy]

Honestly, you could take Yoongi's response to be in reference to the way female fans fetishize their idols dressing up as females.

 

Because at the end of the day, putting them in dresses and wigs wasn't about them expressing their sexuality or for queer fans. It was fan service for heterosexual fangirls who enjoyed it in the same way that most fanservice between members is rooted in that fetishization.

Can you elaborate more on how it's fetishization? I always thought it was just something fun to do for fans that they don't get to see often. Similarly to how female idols do the whole girl crush concept from time to time to look cool, male idols crossdress to look cute. I mean, maid Suga pulling his dress down and proclaiming "everyone, hip-hop is dead" is objectively hilarious.

[raspberry84]

Can you elaborate more on how it's fetishization? I always thought it was just something fun to do for fans that they don't get to see often. Similarly to how female idols do the whole girl crush concept from time to time to look cool, male idols crossdress to look cute. I mean, maid Suga pulling his dress down and proclaiming "everyone, hip-hop is dead" is objectively hilarious.

 

Female idols doing the "girl crush" concept is rooted in fetishization and is usually for their het male fans because a) they don't wanna picture them with a guy that isn't them or b) they fetishize lesbian relationships.

 

At the height of the fad of dressing male idols as females it was usually done for one of two reasons:

a) meant to be "funny" because it was taking a masculine or attractive man and putting them into females clothes as a joke (which is problematic on several levels)

b) fetishization

 

Namjoon dressed like this is an example of the first and is meant to be "funny" because he had a hypermasculine persona at the time and this was meant to look ridiculous/embarrassing. (Note that most of the dressing like girls on these types of shows were punishments for losing)

 

Example of the second would be the SHINee tour performance of First Kiss where Taemin was put in a tight mini-skirt and lace tights. There was a definite sexual vibe to the styling here (along with the flower boy / androgynous styling Tae had around that time period) 

[Tixy]

Female idols doing the "girl crush" concept is rooted in fetishization and is usually for their het male fans because a) they don't wanna picture them with a guy that isn't them or b) they fetishize lesbian relationships.

I don't think this is really the whole truth. For the most part, straight men are not into lesbianism, because they cannot imagine that sexuality can exist separately from male genitalia. A minority of straight men certainly do fetishize lesbianism, but even guys like that aren't really into the girl crush concept because that doesn't fit their personal fantasy of how lesbians should be. Things like yuri manga or Takarazuka, an all female theater troupe, are overwhelmingly enjoyed by women. For the majority of girl groups, at least half of their demographic is female, and girls tend to admire other girls who look cool, so I believe that the girl crush concept is in the end mostly for girls (and also me specifically).

 

Similarly, putting aside the times when male idols crossdress for comedy, I do think there's also a portion of the female fans who want male idols to crossdress so they can ship them with other members (bonus points if they think this somehow doesn't make it actually gay lol). But honestly, most often I've just seen girls praise them for being cute or beautiful, and complain about how they have better legs than them. Maybe I'm just projecting how I feel about this, since seeing a male idol doing a sexy performance while crossdressing has never made me instantly associate it with anything gay, I always just took it at face value. Though some idols are a bit too natural at crossdressing not to notice (Minhyuk's Dior was seriously something).

[raspberry84]

I don't think this is really the whole truth. For the most part, straight men are not into lesbianism, because they cannot imagine that sexuality can exist separately from male genitalia. A minority of straight men certainly do fetishize lesbianism, but even guys like that aren't really into the girl crush concept because that doesn't fit their personal fantasy of how lesbians should be. Things like yuri manga or Takarazuka, an all female theater troupe, are overwhelmingly enjoyed by women. For the majority of girl groups, at least half of their demographic is female, and girls tend to admire other girls who look cool, so I believe that the girl crush concept is in the end mostly for girls (and also me specifically).

 

Similarly, putting aside the times when male idols crossdress for comedy, I do think there's also a portion of the female fans who want male idols to crossdress so they can ship them with other members (bonus points if they think this somehow doesn't make it actually gay lol). But honestly, most often I've just seen girls praise them for being cute or beautiful, and complain about how they have better legs than them. Maybe I'm just projecting how I feel about this, since seeing a male idol doing a sexy performance while crossdressing has never made me instantly associate it with anything gay, I always just took it at face value. Though some idols are a bit too natural at crossdressing not to notice (Minhyuk's Dior was seriously something).

 

 

Are you really out here acting like the fetishization of lesbians isn't a thing with straight guys? That a lot of the original "lesbian" content put out into the world wasn't made under a male gaze and intended for guys? Come on now, women may enjoy it and have an increasingly large role in producing it but there is still a huge problem with the fetishization of lesbians in the media. Look at what went down with Blue is the Warmest Color for example.

 

The majority of Twice fans are male and that needs to be taken into consideration when they do the girl crush concepts or have videos that romantically link members.

 

And nothing within kpop should be taken at face value, these are companies that are marketing a group and very deliberate in everything they do.

 

Fanservice between male members was built around the fetishization of gay couples along with letting the idols be "romantic" or "sexual" without direct competition in the fans eyes.

Edited April 28, 2019 by raspberry84

[Aisling]

Are you really out here acting like the fetishization of lesbians isn't a thing with straight guys? That a lot of the original "lesbian" content put out into the world wasn't made under a male gaze and intended for guys? Come on now, women may enjoy it and have an increasingly large role in producing it but there is still a huge problem with the fetishization of lesbians in the media. Look at what went down with Blue is the Warmest Color for example.

 

The majority of Twice fans are male and that needs to be taken into consideration when they do the girl crush concepts or have videos that romantically link members.

 

And nothing within kpop should be taken at face value, these are companies that are marketing a group and very deliberate in everything they do.

 

Fanservice between male members was built around the fetishization of gay couples along with letting the idols be "romantic" or "sexual" without direct competition in the fans eyes.

 

This is getting off topic so I apologize, but I think there's a difference between a girl crush concept (wearing suits, doing stronger choreography, rapping, acting cool and confident, etc.) and girlxgirl fanservice (two--usually femininely presenting--girls groping each other, almost kissing, etc.). I agree that the latter is definitely made for the male gaze, but the former would be an idol like Moonbyul, who has mostly female fans. 

Edited April 28, 2019 by Aisling

[raspberry84]

This is getting off topic so I apologize, but I think there's a difference between a girl crush concept (wearing suits, doing stronger choreography, rapping, acting cool and confident, etc.) and girlxgirl fanservice (two--usually femininely presenting--girls groping each other, almost kissing, etc.). I agree that the latter is definitely made for the male gaze, but the former would be an idol like Moonbyul, who has mostly female fans. 

 

I have a lot of issues with "girl crush" concepts because it basically takes girls groups and makes them more "masculine" for a concept (your first example for a concept like this would be girls wearing suits, something that is inherently connected to males by most cultures.). Which I have a lot of issues with due to the implication that being sweet, cute, etc. is lesser and that to be "empowered" you need to take on masculine qualities but I'll save that rant for another time.

 

But girl crush concepts also almost always have an underlying lesbian vibe to them as well. For example, I've seen a ton of people label Red Velvet's Bad Boy mv a girl crush concept but the thumbnail for the video is all of them laying on top of each other in a bed.

 

The song was written by men and the video was directed by men as well so that's where it personally gets sketchy to me.

 

Edit: I also went back and watched that video and there is a lot of the girls cuddling and whispering in bed.

Edited April 28, 2019 by raspberry84

[IAmSheeple]

OT:

 

^{Lesbian Porn dominates Pornhub searches. Its the most popular category/}

 

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/17/why-does-lesbian-porn-dominate-milf-and-much-more-in-10-years-of-pornhub-data_partner/

[taeweishin]

SF9 - Juyeon

 

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Edited April 30, 2019 by taeweishin

[Tixy]

Are you really out here acting like the fetishization of lesbians isn't a thing with straight guys? That a lot of the original "lesbian" content put out into the world wasn't made under a male gaze and intended for guys? Come on now, women may enjoy it and have an increasingly large role in producing it but there is still a huge problem with the fetishization of lesbians in the media. Look at what went down with Blue is the Warmest Color for example.

 

The majority of Twice fans are male and that needs to be taken into consideration when they do the girl crush concepts or have videos that romantically link members.

 

And nothing within kpop should be taken at face value, these are companies that are marketing a group and very deliberate in everything they do.

 

Fanservice between male members was built around the fetishization of gay couples along with letting the idols be "romantic" or "sexual" without direct competition in the fans eyes.

Well no, I never said that. But the issue is more nuanced though. For example, lesbian porn is made by and for straight men, even though it's actually a top porn category with the female viewers, and not the male ones. There is a very specific brand of lesbianism that appeals to straight males, because they are attracted to the fantasy of it, not anything resembling its reality.

 

So, for example, someone like Moonbyul, who is considered a girl crush idol, doesn't look and act the way she does for the male demographic. Girl crush doesn't inherently have anything to do with gay fanservice between the members, it's usually just about putting girls in suits or other cool outfits. Moonbyul can of course appeal to men too, but the phrase girl crush literally means that a female idol is supposed to make the female fans swoon for a change. Girls like girls in suits. (Twice demographic is pretty evenly distributed between the sexes btw.)

 

I didn't mean to say that I take companies' intentions at face value. Companies will always do things to maximize the profits and appeal to the widest demographic possible with their business decisions, so of course that male idols crossdressing can also appeal to the demographic that would fetishize male homosexuality. I just meant that for me personally, that is not what I get out it, and from what I've observed within the fandom, most female fans don't interact with it like that either. Again, just my experience, others might feel differently.

 

Gender nonconformity is heavily present in kpop, and it's something which appeals to a lot of LGBT people, including me, so I quite tend to like the crossdressing aspect too. A girl in a suit is cool, a boy in a dress is cute, there ain't much more to it than that for me personally. So mostly my point was that imo things aren't so clear-cut that I would feel comfortable saying that male idols crossdressing is specifically done so that the fangirls can fetishize them. I think that for a lot of people the gay fetishization aspect doesn't even come into the equation here.

[raspberry84]

Well no, I never said that. But the issue is more nuanced though. For example, lesbian porn is made by and for straight men, even though it's actually a top porn category with the female viewers, and not the male ones. There is a very specific brand of lesbianism that appeals to straight males, because they are attracted to the fantasy of it, not anything resembling its reality.

 

So, for example, someone like Moonbyul, who is considered a girl crush idol, doesn't look and act the way she does for the male demographic. Girl crush doesn't inherently have anything to do with gay fanservice between the members, it's usually just about putting girls in suits or other cool outfits. Moonbyul can of course appeal to men too, but the phrase girl crush literally means that a female idol is supposed to make the female fans swoon for a change. Girls like girls in suits. (Twice demographic is pretty evenly distributed between the sexes btw.)

 

I didn't mean to say that I take companies' intentions at face value. Companies will always do things to maximize the profits and appeal to the widest demographic possible with their business decisions, so of course that male idols crossdressing can also appeal to the demographic that would fetishize male homosexuality. I just meant that for me personally, that is not what I get out it, and from what I've observed within the fandom, most female fans don't interact with it like that either. Again, just my experience, others might feel differently.

 

Gender nonconformity is heavily present in kpop, and it's something which appeals to a lot of LGBT people, including me, so I quite tend to like the crossdressing aspect too. A girl in a suit is cool, a boy in a dress is cute, there ain't much more to it than that for me personally. So mostly my point was that imo things aren't so clear-cut that I would feel comfortable saying that male idols crossdressing is specifically done so that the fangirls can fetishize them. I think that for a lot of people the gay fetishization aspect doesn't even come into the equation here.

 

But how people in a gay thread that is dominated by members of the LGBT population looks at and reacts to a situation isn't necessarily how the majority of their fanbases is going to look at it and react. We ain't the core demographic they're marketing towards and we need to keep that in mind.

 

Going back to the kpop era that Rookie King existed in and cross-dressing by idols wasn't treated the same way as it is right in this moment even by straight fans. It was almost always to sexualize or make fun of the idol.

 

Honestly, I couldn't see BTS getting away with a lot of the shit they did on Rookie King nowadays without getting called out on it.

Edited April 28, 2019 by raspberry84