Which male idols do you think are gay?

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Just now, raspberry84 said:

I'm side eyeing the fuck out of this.

Tinhat time but I wonder if it was suppose to be Nayeon but since her stalker was literally on a plan and trying to get to her when the news dropped...it would make sense why there was such a big delay and then we get this weird couple. Everyone was expecting a couple and people were finding it really suspicious they it hadn't dropped yet.

Dispatch didn't reveal this one though, and the outlet that did successfully broke the story about another couple in the past. I wasn't sure what to think of it the first time, but when I saw that it's the same outlet going for it again, I was leaning way more on them being 100% sure that the two are dating, and maybe just not having the solid proof the first time around. Truly, there is no reason for agencies to discuss for 10 hours with their talent whether they are dating or not; they are discussing if it would be possible to deny it based on what kind of receipts the outlet might have.

Publicity and bearding theories will ensue, but just remember that idols lose a ton more than gain by dating openly, especially in a scenario where they are dating a senior who is older by 13 years. Also, K-ELFs are absolutely insane and don't want men who are in their mid-30's to date or marry, and ONCEs and often called ONCELs for a reason. I don't think that Heechul is totally straight for the record, but I do think that he prefers women.

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The public is reacting well because Heechul has a good image, but Momo's male fans are already discussing with whom they are gonna replace her lol. Of course these two are such huge stars that it's not like their careers will be affected by this, but it's still not preferable for your 23-year-old female idol who doesn't have an overwhelmingly female fanbase to be openly dating a 36-year-old senior. While people might be okay with it, this isn't really their fantasy couple is what I'm getting at. Within the context of the Korean entertainment, people only really want actors to date. I do acknowledge that bearding exists as well, we only need to look at the current mess with Shawn Mendez (or better, let's not~), I just don't believe that idols do bearding by openly dating, but rather by going on shows like We Got Married, doing musicals/drama where they are paired with someone of the opposite sex, and with other similar, much safer and more controlled methods.

Regarding Gunhee, I think that there was a lot there to lead us to believe that the two were dating, the two were very loving obviously, but similarly I also don't think that we should ever underestimate just how much any behavior that might be eyebrow-raising to us and seem like it wants to signal something, could totally be viewed differently by the person performing it if they are living a (mostly?) hetero life in a highly heteronormative country like South Korea. I also think that part of it has to do with Heechul's personality and the need to always entertain, which is influenced by him being an idol, so he can comfortably say and do all sorts of things regarding his best friend, and have it be just platonic and funny for them.

People already pointed this out in the past, but while one could easily conclude that Heechul was showing off Gunhee so much because the two were life partners and Heechul wanted to be as honest about that as he possibly could, it could have also been that he was just trying to help his best friend's hair salon business grow by making him more known. And it worked actually! That's kinda the thing that made me become a lot less convinced of the two being a couple: the fact that, from what I remember, Gunhee went to work in a foreign country for literally ages. I just don't really find it 100% convincing that someone would open a salon in a foreign country, leave their partner of supposedly many years for a very long time like that, and have that relationship work out well romantically in the end. Yes, people do date long distance, especially celebrities, but it's often not terribly successful, or it involves generally not leaving the country for such a long period of time. It was just my gut feeling, but after that I went like "oh, this feels more like a friendship I guess."

tl;dr I don't think anyone was crazy for believing in it, but it was just never a particular open and shut case for me, could have went either way.

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7 minutes ago, Gerimolda said:

Okay. We'll call them Homo as a couple name till they eventually break up. Praying for it to be quick and painless like Jenkai, with only 25 days. This reminds me to HOT's Tony and Girl's Day Hyeri and I'm not liking it not even a bit. I expect the same progression as Tony X Hyeri at least. They announce it, they break up and Tony can continue his normal life with Jaeduck the same way I hope Heechul can live his life with Gunhee. 

Also. This gotta be the laziest beard ever. Not even a picture together being "caught" on a date??? I guess old interactions in variety shows is enough for shippers and gullible fans

I just want to point out that this was exactly how Hyuna and Dawn got exposed too. There was no visual proof, so the company could deny it without fear, but the two were still a couple. These cases happen often where gossip journos know for a fact about some couple, but their companies deny it because they don't come with receipts like Dispatch, I even remember gossip journos self-righteously complaining about companies making them look like liars in such situations on some show lol.

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Ricky Martin calls himself gay, while also talking about experiencing attraction for women, and possibly having sex with them in the future if he feels the desire. Sound more like a Kinsey 5 to me who wanted to lead a lot gayer life, than an actual totally gay person. He's also "against label", which I find to mean in 99% of the cases bisexual (with or without a preference). But all of that is neither here nor there, there are certainly people who will beard aggressively and lie to themselves too, not just the public, I just don't think that Ricky Martin is the best example for that.

5 minutes ago, annetamiau said:

You raise some interesting points! As for Gunhee, I'm more inclined to think that Heechul and him dated for some years but are just close friends now (I don't think this could be done with someone you see 24/7, and I've never been in a long-distance relationship, but I think it would be easier to transition back into friendship as you wouldn't see the other person often). 

As for the toll that fake-dating might take on the idols, I don't think idol bearding is that much trouble (relatively speaking). They just publicly say they are dating and maybe a couple pictures of them walking side by side are released. Fortunately they don't have to kiss on camera or anything like that. It will be all over social media for two days and then most people will move on. Momo is younger and probably has more to lose, but even when Jungkook's dating + tattoo 'scandal' came out (and that looked waaaaay more legit than Heechul and Momo, plus the girl wasn't what the fandom was expecting at all) everyone got over it pretty quickly despite the initial freakout (though he has to perpetually hide his tattoos).

I think that your version that they may have been a couple at some point is also rather possible, but either way, I don't think that Gunhee is spilling any tears right now.

As for the damage that public dating does for idols, Jungkook is just way too big to be hurt career-wise in any significant manner, but he has slowly started getting hate comments branding him the "troublemaker of BTS." That has probably had a negative psychological effect on him to some degree. Look at Kang Daniel too, him getting exposed for dating Jihyo was certainly a contributing factor in his recent mental health crisis. Public dating may not be so painful for every single idol, but it can also be highly stressful for others, and is thus, in my opinion, way too volatile as a bearding tactic in a highly organized environment like kpop where everything is so carefully planned and preplanned.

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11 minutes ago, annetamiau said:

I completely agree with what you say about Jungkook and Kang Daniel. Antis will get every single opportunity to insult an idol, and a dating scandal gives them material for months, but by your logic bearding would absolutely never happen in the kpop industry and I'd say it does, at least sometimes.

There are definitely gay idols who choose to date partners of the opposite sex, maybe because they still haven't realized that they are gay, or like burntgucci pointed out, because they wish to make their families happy and fit in the Korean society well, but a completely fake bearding relationships where two large companies came together and organized it, or maybe the idols in question did so on their own? Can't buy it, to your average kpop fan it's enough that oppa says that he likes women, even if it comes from someone like Key, it's honestly tragic lol.

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3 minutes ago, shugwi said:

you have to take consideration that he comes from a Latin culture when men are expected to be masculine in order to sell and have people streaming  his songs, he still needs to continue with his womanizer/latin image because that's the image he had for many years and people will associate him with.

after coming out as gay he still have women on his videos why? because he wouldn't sell otherwise, so saying "possible wanting to have sex with a woman if he feels like it" seems a good way not let down his female demographic, it's sounds safe. Besides he said it took her a while to accept himself as a gay man.

Those are very valid points, but if in his coming out he still had to lie about who he was in order to have a career, then that's just...truly sad to me. I'd honestly prefer him just being somewhat annoying and using gay as an umbrella term, even if he's actually a bisexual with a heavy preference for men. I guess either way he's now living more honestly to his true self, that's something positive.

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Wild concept, but it is entirely possible, and free as well, to express a differing opinion without calling anyone insane, delusional, gullible, etc. The idea that we should all strive to lead fulfilling lives and not be too shaken up by some celebrities dating is something I, and probably most in this thread, absolutely agree with too.

People will spend hours, days, speculating on literally anything under the sun when it comes to celebrities, even things such as new hair colors if idols are hiding their hair before a comeback. Not exactly my idea of fun, but nothing inherently wrong with it either if done in a sensible way. If you don't care to discuss someone's sexuality, then just move along.

People in this thread, like all LGBT people, are not a monolith. You may not care one bit about some idol's sexuality, and you may find that actually there are plenty of users in this thread who don't care super deeply either and are just here to have fun, but either way, why does not caring at all make anyone a better person? It's what we say that matters, not how much we care while saying it. Classic I'm a good minority, so I won't upset the status quo by reminding others that gay people exist everywhere and discussing issues surrounding that within the context of kpop.

Just the fact that people are hate reading this thread and giving tons of likes to occasional random comments like "all of you are insane for caring about this" or "everyone is straight" is so telling. Like, regular posters can and do say things that are totally dumb to me here, but people say dumb things everywhere else too, so what makes this thread such a special place worthy of complete mockery, and condemnation of every single person that participates in it, I wonder.

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55 minutes ago, flowflow said:

Sorry for sounding negative but no idol will ever come out. The only one that I could see coming out is Jo Kwon, but I can't imagine anyone else. The average idol is straight and probably homophobic lbr. The industry itself is very homophobic. Remember how other idols were avoiding Heechul because of his gay rumors? And how rookies were asking bluntly Vixx if they are gay? I've seen kfans tell their idols to stay away from Daewhi. The Produce pds banned "unnecessary skinship". That Bighit producer told Taehyung that his christmas song is not for 2 men to sing and he had to record it with Adora instead (and he was very sad about it). Lucas finds the idea of fanboys uncomfortable.

There is only a minority of gay/bi idols and they are probably mostly closeted to the point not even their bandmates/managers know about it. Most idols that do heavy skinship and a lot of fanservice are probably entirely straight. Doesn't really matter how much they ping to you. Even Sehun, who is a favorite here (and i agree that he has strong receipts), might be dating girls for all we know.

I wish the reality was different but we can only hope that things will change for the better.

I remember in 2018 backreading this thread. I was reading stuff from 2013, and the conversation was about who will come out within the next five years. People were fairly optimistic that at least someone would do it, and that there will be substantial change regarding the industry. I remember thinking how there really was none at that point, as far as I was concerned. It made me realize that any hopes that I had in 2018 that something dramatic will change within the next 5 years were probably gonna stay as just that.

I do think though that lately we have been seeing some kind of a change. For example, idols picking up pride flags during concerts in foreign countries, even if done without genuine feelings from that idol, is still something that never would have happened in the past. When being asked about their opinion on gay rights, we went from really vague statements how it's a difficult topic, to many idols being outright supportive in their answers in a very short amount of time. This change is directly correlated with kpop's recent massive expansion in the West and the fact that a lot of these vague statements would not be viewed favorably there. As much as it sucks, any positive change that may happen in any industry will only happen if it benefits it financially. Which brings me to my next point:

It doesn't benefit a company to have an openly gay idol. The illusion of romantic availability is a core element of the idol industry. It is this, more than the homophobia itself, that makes me think that no active idols will come out. If any active idol does come out, it will have to be someone who is bi (so the illusion of availability is still there) and so big that they are untouchable, or a total nugu. However, I do think that we'll be seeing retired and semi-retired idols coming out eventually. Jo Kwon will definitely do it at some point, he's more of a musical theater star than an idol these days. I also expect a lot more idols to be comfortably living in a glass closet eventually.

We can focus on the negative, but there's plenty of positive stuff as well. Heechul was avoided because of his gay rumors, but Key now has a huge network and is a well respected sunbae in the industry. Lucas is uncomfortable by fanboys, but Ravi repeatedly states that he likes having both male and female fans equally. I understand your pessimism, but I personally choose to be just cautious instead. The industry is still fairly homophobic, but I don't think the situation is super bleak, and a good number of agencies seem to have a relatively comfortable environment for their LGBT talent (SM in my opinion), or they have LGBT narratives in their music videos (Starship). Positive change is happening, it just takes time. Like, a lot.

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14 hours ago, .youth. said:

Do you have a clip of vernoon saying that? Sounds really intresting

At 2:35, DK goes the extra mile for the paper kiss game with Vernon, and then at 3:30 Vernon yells in English "Yo, yo man, read the contract!"

I think that this potential no in-group dating clause in their contract indeed says more about Nu'est than Seventeen necessarily lol.

Y'all remember how in Produce 101, the female season went by without any changes to the rules, then the male season came along, and suddenly after that one they introduced the "no unnecessary skinship" rule for season 3. Something almost certainly happened behind the scenes in season 2 to make them come up with the new rule. One might think that there was/were couple(s), and that's certainly possible, even likely, but I can't help thinking that the real reason the rule was introduced was because someone caused a huge scene over being touched by a boy he perceived as gay.

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20 minutes ago, LostChild said:

Most people thought it was aimed at Japanese trainees because same-sex fanservice in J-pop is much more suggestive (see Matsui Jurina). But your theories make a lot of sense.  

I never even considered that, and it certainly makes sense too. The rule was carried over to season 4 though, so I'm leaning more on my interpretation still. It now even exists in the Japanese version of Produce 101, where there really isn't any need for it imo. Apart from some sketchy areas of the idol scene in Japan in terms of the excessive sexualization, and most of it coming from girl groups, Japanese people naturally have very little skinship. Unless directed otherwise, none of these trainees would naturally decide to do excessive fanservice on their own. It was funny to see how the 3 Korean trainees there had more skinship than the rest of the Japanese ones combined. There was basically 0 fanservice throughout the entire show lol.

6 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

GOD YES YOU FOUND IT I LOVE YOU I STARTED TO DOUBT MYSELF 

There are trainee that pledis made them left without giving reason, now I suspect them too. But yeah it makes me suspect three things, Seokmin (bcs i remembered in predebut he was very extreme), Nu'est and trainees that left some which are idols on their own, eg. Moonbin and Mingming.

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but to me most people in the idol industry who are comfortable with doing really excessive fanservice like DK there are Confirmed Hets™. I don't subscribe to the idea that if you're in kpop, you must always hide the fact that you're gay as if it's your darkest secret, but I don't think that most gay or bi people would take their fanservice that far either. After all, if they are gay, doing such excessive fanservice will more often than not make the straight member feel unhappy, and the discord could easily escalate into bullying of the gay member by the entire group (which I'm sure already happens in some groups even without the gay member doing any fanservice).

Idols who to me seem comfortable in their non-straight sexual orientation will perform fanservice just like everyone else cause it's a part of their job, but will generally avoid taking it to the extreme point where they are practically making out with their members lol (the rare exception could be groups that have multiple super woke or gay members, which I'll admit is becoming more common these days). They are honest about who they are in different ways, such as how they carry themselves, things they say, artists they follow, fictional works they love, etc. On the other hand, because straight idols don't have anything to lose, they can comfortably put themselves in such situations. Leeteuk is a prime example of a guy who is comfortable with doing just about anything with another guy on stage, yet in real life he is routinely hitting on girls on instagram lol. I do think that how certain idols respond to someone else initiating fanservice is a completely different question though.

Anyways, DK not a het? With these feet and also toes? It just doesn't make any sense.

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My main argument about DK was that he normally comes across as straight, and when he performs excessive fanservice for me that's not a proof of him being bi or gay, but rather further confirmation that he's just straight. The last bit was just an excuse for me to promote one of the best kpop twitter accounts here, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

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6 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

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Im sorry but how can I not take seriously, I was asking and sharing opinions, you come to me excusing self care is important part of being gay o.o i understand how you feel, how you get that vibe, but putting that as reasoning is very silly. It would be just fine if you just said "he feels straight" i can understand your point as well, what made me defensive was your "promo"

Im sorry for being defensive, but I saw how people laugh and make fun of things like this way too much, therefore it is not a topic I can comfortably take a joke ,not when one of my best friends almost cried infront of hundreds bcs he likes to put on a little make up. 

 

 

You are vibrating with the same energy as Hoshi not liking Dino's heteronormativity when they were discussing the highly intellectual topic of chicken sex, which I deeply respect. But the joke wasn't really about self-care or makeup, it was that the bar for straight men is so low that they literally don't care about having their overgrown toenails out on display, even if they are idols. It's okay though, I hereby declare that gay people can have overgrown toenails too lol.

4 minutes ago, flowflow said:

Didn't Seokmin have rumors with a dermatologist? Or was it Jeonghan

The only dermatologist I know about is a woman with a small daughter, there weren't really any dating rumors there, just general fandom drama about who is chasing clout.

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13 hours ago, Libby21 said:

What do y'all think about SM Entertainment and their ways to cover up any LGBT associated word ( "lesbian" from a video and "gay" from a teaser image ) , although I feel like SM has the most LGBT artists. They must be living in hell seeing how homophobic is the company 

Not to be an SM shill, but SM seems like one of the best agencies for gay idols. Over 10 years ago, when idols didn't dare to openly express support for gay rights, Boa was performing on pride, there's Taeyeon's Page 0 MV, Key's Born to Shine performance, Amber who was allowed to be her authentic self in a girl group, the fact that, since the second gen, majority of their groups have had at least one visibly LGBT member, a verified former trainee saying that you can choose to come out to the management if you wish, it is your choice. I don't know where exactly SM covered those LGBT associated words, but it seems really inconsequential in comparison to what seems to me like an overall fairly comfortable working environment for LGBT idols.

2 hours ago, ToT said:

 

Interesting. I just remembered J carat who was like sasseng has once tweeted how k-pop idols take care of their sexual urges. She speaks Korean fluently so she managed to become a friend with a Pledis staff. According to the staff it's usual for the k-pop industry that agencies firstly recommend their idols to have sexual acts with members of the group to take care of their sexual urges. 

When I found her account I doubted all her tweets although she didn't say bad about svt. I thought she was fishy. But later I found some of what she had said were true like Dino's scandal, Jun's predebut story etc. She tweeted them before they came to light. She even knew Japanese famous actor's gossip before it came out.  So I think her information were quite credible. I'm not sure about idol's sexual part though.

It's true, my uncle who works at SM has told me that all of our waifus are pure, and they take care of their needs by organizing routine orgies with their members.

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5 hours ago, Josaline said:

This has nothing to do with ship, it has something to do with distorting what a person says, acting like he said things he never said. Tae asked for advice from fans because he had trouble sleeping. This girl said she was looking at Jungkook's pictures while trying to fall asleep. And Taehyung jokingly told her not to be too imaginative. But of course, when people saw that Taehyung was answering a question involving Jungkook, they jumped in without understanding the content of the translation. Do you know what's the worst? Because of people like you, Taehyung has started to respond twice to people he sometimes answers. Because he began to fear the misunderstanding of his first answers, and I am very angry with all those who continue to distort what he says. 

That's a pretty interesting way to retell that story because it rids it of any ambiguity. Alas, that's not quite what was said.

Taehyung asked for ways to fall asleep. A fan replied: Me! (as in I've got the answer!/I know!) Look at pictures of Jungkook oppa whom Taehyung oppa loves so much. Taehyung then told her to get out of her imagination because it's not good there.

Why would Taehyung tell a fan not to look at pictures of her favorite idol? It's such a bizarre idea. If Taehyung wasn't talking about her shipping at all, why would it be bad for her to be in her imagination in the first place? Is the argument here seriously that he essentially told a fan not to jerk off to Jungkook? This is just a slightly more public friendly version of taekooker's interpretation, which is that Taehyung meant to say that "she shouldn't get too imaginative with those pictures, cause Jungkook was his!!"

I think it's pretty obvious that he was challenging the concept that he should "look at Jungkook's pictures to fall asleep" (which is already somewhat shippy) coupled with the "whom Taehyung oppa loves so much" part. It was extremely thinly veiled shipping that anyone could have picked up on. Maybe Taehyung would have normally ignored it, but at that moment he had decided to say delulu pls stop.

Most celebrities won't be too bothered with shipping, but once shippers routinely become intrusive (like taekookers have) and they take it to them like this, the celebrity in question might get annoyed by that point and make some kind of a stand. Good for them!

5 hours ago, LostChild said:

I don't see how this tweet or whatever V answered to a y/n has to do with him not being a het or LGBT topics in SK. Please, stop bringing your childish shipwars in here and discuss it between yourselves in only BTS related threads or in PM.

You're correct that it doesn't have anything to do with whether Taehyung is gay or not, or about LGBT rights in Korea, but it does have to do with fans' fetishization of a fantasized version of homosexuality in kpop, and discussing it, in my opinion, still belongs in this thread. It's not like this is a taekookers vs jikookers portion of the thread that we routinely have to go through from time to time, it's about how those exact people are actually bothering their favorite idols with their objectification and fetishization.

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46 minutes ago, Josaline said:

Taehyung tried to be funny and interactive with an obviously young fan. I honestly don't understand how people to think this grown up man will openly react to some girl’s shipping fantasy? There could’ve been anyone’s name in her post. His response had nothing to do with Jungkook anyway. The girl clearly talks about her sleeping habits, and Taehyung joke relating that. This actually makes the most sense because BTS has always welcomed ships and all of the ships do fan service on stage.

So Taehyung would never jokingly tell someone not to be a shipping delulu, because BTS has always encouraged shipping, but he would joke with a fan not to get too into a self-insert boyfriend fantasy (that's the angle here, right?) while looking at Jungkook's pictures, as if Jungkook as a BTS members is not a part of an idol group...whose members as such all actively sell that same boyfriend fantasy to their fans by default...Huh, really makes you thinkity thunk~!

Personally, I think this situation is super clear-cut, and I genuinely think that one has to both twist what was actually said and do some super extensive mental gymnastics on top of it to come up with any other interpretation, but even if you disagree with me, it's perfectly fine. What I find more interesting is that this should be a pretty chill disagreement in interpretation, but judging by how some people are freely handing out the skulls and clowns, it seems like some people in this thread are very upset at the idea of Taehyung saying that taekooker lives don't matter, and I just cannot understand why that would be the case, unless they feel personally attacked by that notion.

PS: Hate to repeat myself but it's just...genuinely incorrect what you're saying. She did not say "this is what I do," she said "this is what you should do, since you love Jungkook so much [teehee heart emoji eggplant emoji]." Even if she said "this is what I do," it was still in response to his question, so the implication is inherent there that he should try it out as well. Also, he didn't respond to that with "don't get too imaginative teehee~," he said "come out of your imagination, it's not good there," implying that her suggestion was Bad lol.

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1 hour ago, Taecoholic said:

I cannot speak on behalf of others, but the reason I have negged you is that you label everyone shippers who believes the other interpretation. + Why would Taehyung starting to be so afraid of the misunderstanding of his answers at Weverse if there was really no real misunderstanding? There must be a reason why he's starting to get so nervous about his answers, right? And maybe you don't know but last Muster Jungkook said " Ahh I think of ARMY so much that I can’t sleep. WHAT SHOULD I DO?" I mean... The way he is clowning ARMYs y/n fantasy and people still think Taehyung talkin about ships lmao

 

Last time I'm commenting about this, because I think it's getting annoying for others, but no, I have not said at any point that everyone who has a different interpretation has to absolutely be a shipper. I said that I don't understand where one is coming from if they are being upset about my interpretation if they are not a shipper, which is a different thing, as well as that y/n interpretation is just slightly different from what taekookers are arguing, which is true, and also again still not me calling anyone a taekooker by default either, just expressing wariness.

@Josaline had some pretty strong words for "people like us," but I just don't get how, if our interpretation is wrong, that would make Taehyung be more nervous to post in general, because...so what? Korean fans don't actually believe that taekook is real, even those that ship it, so it's not like anyone would actually be upset at Taehyung for jokingly shooting down their shipping fantasies (besides the few foreign shippers who unironically believe that taekook is real, who absolutely do not matter nearly as much as they think). Just how Taehyung could have jokingly told a fan not to get too imaginative about Jungkook, and that would have caused no problems within the fandom, he could have also joked about how the fan should not get too into her taekook fantasy, because it's on the same level. Overwhelming majority of the fanbase knows that Jungkook isn't their boyfriend, and that taekook isn't real either. So why is one supposed to be a more upsetting and disruptive interpretation for the fanbase than the other, so much so that some people need to passionately defend what Taehyung has actually meant, to the point of getting "very angry" at those who think he jokingly called out shippers? If fans want to defend Taehyung from any misunderstandings, there are a lot of bigger fish to fry that could actually cause him some damage, so this is just a very strange hill to choose to die on in my opinion because...it shouldn't matter.

To summarize, I don't claim that everyone with a different interpretation is a taekooker, I genuinely don't believe that, but some people here almost certainly are shippers, especially those who wanna blame "people like us" for Taehyung not posting as much, and who make a "BTS is pro shipping" argument in their defense lol.

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10 minutes ago, flowflow said:

So I don't get it... if someone does too much fanservice, he must be straight because someone gay would be afraid of being exposed and if someone doesn't like the idea of being shipped with a bandmate, he must be also straight because someone gay would be fine with it...? 

The only connection between one's sexual orientation and fanservice that I believe there is is that I don't think that the most outrageous examples of fanservice out there are initiated by gay idols at all. Otherwise, all idols have to perform fanservice, because it's a part of their job, and how and what they do can be left up to them, or mandated by their agency. I think that gay idols can perform a little or a lot of regular fanservice, it really depends on their individual personalities and how comfortable they are with their members, and I think that anyone with a sense of dignity dislikes being paraded around by their management through something like paper/pocky kiss game, regardless of their sexuality.

An idol may enjoy performing fanservice and encourage casual shipping because they enjoy making the fans happy, but some people can take it too far and nobody likes their boundaries being violated, even on the off chance that they are actually dating their fellow member (maybe even more so in that case). All of these situations should be looked at individually, but if an idol who doesn't have particularly invasive shippers is really trying to make a point that he does not want to be shipped and that he's very straight, I'd say that's actually more eyebrow-raising than definitive proof of his heterosexuality (this doesn't apply to Taehyung of course, I'm just speaking in general terms).

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1 hour ago, chargerdine said:

Taehyung literally uploaded a re-enactment of a call me by your name scene on the first day of pride month in Korea, and there’s people who still think he’s the straight one among certain  members who have literally done zero to indicate they are LGBT. So now having 50% of your public interests be LGBT related is just a “quirk”. Showing actual interest in LGBT related things means nothing, but people who “ping” ya more does lol.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he just play a song from the movie? Calling it a reenactment is a bit misleading, it's not like he did this and that with a peach, while reading lines of dialogue. Uploading it on the first day of pride certainly wasn't accidental though, and it does show that at the very least he's an ally.

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Gay panic is one of those words like queer - something which has horrible history attached to it, and then a bunch of (mostly) straight people came together and decided to use it for themselves in a fun way without asking the group that is actually affected by it (gay people, especially gay men) how they feel about it. Finally, they labelled the group affected and upset by it as the real bigots.

Words can change and gain new meanings, but you cannot take words with extremely negative connotations and just decide to use them in a positive, fun way, even though like @NickyNumbers said, within the context of k-pop, gay panic is not even used positively when you think about it. Some words and phrases are just permanently tainted by their history.

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2 minutes ago, liberalitea said:

To be fair, aren't most of the assumptions we make about idols based on a character they play? We don't really know any of them.

Sure, but some idols are significantly more genuine than others, while some are blatantly playing a company created character. Mingyu, for example, 100% is just pretending that he's like a feminine housewife, and the purpose there is to create a gap between his traditional masculine appearance and how he supposedly acts which is meant to be cute (see: gap moe). I think that, coupled with Wonwoo shipping sometimes, has led a lot of people to believe that Mingyu is gay. Did have a good chuckle when it was outed that Kyla said that Wonwoo had been dating the same girl for years since predebut lol.

Anyway, Changmin at least comes across as more genuine than that, so I'm quite concerned for Nancy lmao. Thanks for responding about Younghoon too, I still don't know what to think there.

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20 minutes ago, dumdidumdi said:

He obviously enjoys cooking for example if you look at videos where they cook, he is always careful and and thoughtful about it, and also with the cleanliness aspect of the "housewife".

Alexa, play Jeonghan dragging Mingyu by saying "He doesn't cook and clean at all, it's all just an image." I mean, if I was in front of cameras cleaning, I'd look like I was having the time of my life too. I wouldn't exactly like to see people call me nasty cause I looked like I hated cleaning lol, and if I was media trained for years and acting like a housewife was part of my image, I'd do what's being demanded of me as it is my job. I'm not saying he's being completely fake all the time, a lot of the time he's just being an ordinary person, but stuff like that live where he randomly shows up and starts doing members' hair (he literally did nothing too, just fiddled aimlessly with it for a while lmao king) is image maintenance.

31 minutes ago, dumdidumdi said:

Also, was this confirmed? Not confirmed that he is dating but confirmed that Kyla actually said that?  I didn't really follow that drama all that closely, it got confusing what was real and what was not. 

It was confirmed that Kyla shared with multiple people that Woozi and Pinky dated very briefly predebut, they had evidence for that. Other stuff they said they didn't have receipts for cause according to them, Kyla would randomly drop the info during actual audio calls, but I consider them reputable regardless, up to you if you feel the same or not. Other stuff about who was mean to her/bullying her I don't have an opinion on since that's personal and they didn't go into details about that, but I'm pretty sure that Kyla would know whom her fellow members (and labelmates to some degree) dated.

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Guys, I know I insisted multiple times that bearding in a form of dating isn't a thing in the idol industry, but listen-

In all seriousness, is he going for an eventual lavender marriage?

Gay Heechul truthers, I understand you completely now, what the hell.

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2 hours ago, ribbonribbon said:

P.S: Adding to this, the fact that they are forced to admit the relationship because of FANS who already knew, not some dispatch or media outlet, is crazy. If you really think about this, many fans-turn-anti can easily out a gay idol and destroy their lives.

But isn't that weird? Unless fans or paps have a smoking gun, idols and their agencies are always going to deny any rumors. Especially if only a small group of Elfs made a fuss about this, I don't understand why they would admit to it...unless they are heading for marriage? Also, I know idols are dumb as hell with their lovestagram business, but what is it with actual 20 public pictures of these two together? I get that she's a former girl group member and that he's in his 30's so it's different, but it just looks to me like they ultimately wanted people to know about this regardless of the reason.

49 minutes ago, Josaline said:

People claim that the girl is a member of the cult. If so, I think it reduces the possibility of a lavender marriage. 

Just now she has denied being part of Shincheonji. Idk man, I obviously don't want them to be gay and in a fake het relationship, but I'm also having a difficult time believing that Ryeowook isn't gay himself...Oppa, date well question mark lol

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There's a pretty big difference between someone arguing that, let's say, Kai's two public relationships have been bearding and us discussing if Ryeowook is potentially hoping to make his parents happy with this. And people don't say that every idol relationship is lavender marriage but rather that they are company mandated bearding (which I do find to be complete nonsense). Like it or not though, some of these idols in their 30's are gay and have been raised to obey traditional Korean values. Therefore, it's rather likely that at least a few of them will marry women despite their lack of attraction.

Also, this thread has never been certified good lol, people used to argue that Seungri and Zico were bi/gay and had meltdowns over L/Sungjong not being real.

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1 minute ago, lighterxx said:

i was trying to understand what user meant as well lol otherwise @Abiskkum it is like very innocent and cute video? or did you meant a specific part of it o.o?

I don't get it either lol. I don't really follow NCT super closely, so am I missing something? It just seems like a pretty ordinary video. If I had to have an interpretation, I'd say that Jeno kinda sounds like he just wants to be done with it.