Which male idols do you think are gay?

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people might take me as an homophobic which i'm not but i have to say that if heechul is hiding his supposed relationship with gunhee or his homo/bisexuality we should try our best to respect that and his relationship with momo atm.

i'm not saying we should simply assume he's straight or whatever, but i fear... you can say i'm a coward for thinking like this but we already lost so many people to hate and online hate. i'm scared.

don't you remember the toxic comments from knetz saying "at least he's not gay". those are probably enough to terrorize him. heechul might look strong, but the harrassment against celebrities and against him is real. some say people wouldn't really care if he came out but we all know it's not the case. I'm not talking about anything exactly from this thread, but I see a lot of fans having  a hard time differentiating speculation from actually trying to out people.

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1 hour ago, blossoms said:

he got a art teacher who he thought was handsome

i'm glad someone brought it up again i remember this is what got me into taeyong at first. art was very important to him to the point of featuring it in his profile information during the rookie app era and doodling on his bedroom walls is one of his hobbies to this day lol. he was very lonely, didn't have friends in hs and slept a lot (lmao relatable af) but on the other side he had a good relationship with his teachers and respected them. so for him to mention this one art teacher among the others... he must've been very important to taeyong.

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i follow a lot of korean gay BJs and youtubers. the ones i watch tend to be part of circles, go to parties and travel together and there's just a lot of gay slang that you can grasp. some fem up a lot and some don't and i'm not only talking about stereotypical mannerisms but also some characteristics such as actions, tone, hobbies, jokes and even aegyo that matches with the behavior of some male idols (if that makes sense??). 

it might be just a human thing, something global and not really related to what kind of social group this person belongs to, but i think some idols just exude so many of these gay undertones that the supposedly straight ones would never. maybe they're not queer, but just different from the hetero norm. i'm still observing and it might sound confusing because i'm not being specific, so i'll try to illustrate with an idol that always gets me thinking

here is my reaching

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nflying kim jaehyun 

i don't know if it's just his overflowing energy, but he is very flamboyant and he is over the place when he gets overly excited and naturally twerks like a baddie, it's not the type of humor you would see from a typical korean hetero in his 20s. but i've seen korean gay high school students doing it to 2ne1 songs for sure. i don't think i need to be very graphic about it, just watch him for a little while and you'll notice that he's unique among his peers and you can see it's his thing and not forceful.

jaemin and haechan (and these days chenle and even renjun)

i know that's a pretty obvious (and biased) choice but they've been striking queen poses since predebut/fetus era, they don't exactly fit into the heteronormativity. jaemin's gentle voice tone that he does on purpose makes him sound like an ahjumma. i can almost hear him using "gizibe" and "unnie" and female pronouns to his members without him really saying it lol, he really sounds like some korean gay streamers out there. also their "kyoo" aegyo where they stick out their bums and put the finger over the lips, i wonder how jaemin came up with that because i don't remember any other idol group or artist using it and i'm sure i've heard kim ddol ddol (gay BJ) using it. 

also jungwoo kinda fits the gay korean streamer aesthetic, i'd donate a lot.

other than mannerisms and slangs, i just think that their overall feel is very similar to some korean gay man. as i said before those might be just very mundane, universal details.

anyway, i was hesitant in writing this because it sounds kinda meh with me trying to explain it. because gay culture in korea is more secluded and less mainstream, to me is quite shocking seeing idols do little stuff i thought would be repressed by their company or their by fans based on how backwards things are. it might seem like a piece of nothing to you but to me it's quite intriguing just noticing a trace of what i perceive as 'what an actual gay person would do' when a big part of korean population just chose to ignore anything that seems gay and only give stereotypical gay mannerisms a pass when an "out of the norm guy" is trying hard to be funny because "fem is cringey and not commendable". (i'm not disregarding anything that jo kwon and the others have done, but we also know how they were seen as characters and how they suffer from malicious comments to this day because of this "gay character" the media chose to accept as a clown not as a real man).

Edited January 23, 2020 by taeyong's panicked scream

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16 hours ago, Bushi said:

Not directly idol-related but relevant, re minorities in SK:

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https://time.com/5769394/south-korea-military-transgender-soldier-discharged/

 

 

it's been a little more than 30 years since the year they were last held by a military dictatorship, yet south korea's laws are still deeply connected to that sickening and ignorant conservativism. pardon me for my words but they're still military's little bitch like... even my country has been very accepting of trans people in the marines and police forces even though we went through a very violent regime. we have a 20-year-career police chief who's a trans woman, trans man who went back to his navy activities back in 2018 and more recently a trans man who became a police man and my country is not even considered developed yet. she's so brave for coming out even though they preserved her anonymity. it made really angry that she had to cry so much to be heard and still got ignored.

more than being ruled by disgusting men, they are being ruled by laws that make them go backwards by 500 years. i understand their necessity of relying so much on the military due to their stories of civil wars, but to me is almost like a conspiracy. it's crazy, it's 2020 and a transitioned woman can't serve because she's considered sick and mutilated, come on???? are genitals really able to defined their capabilities or mental impairment??? and they still have laws agaisnt sodomy???? like- 

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20 minutes ago, eli said:

the whole "people shouldnt be protesting/worried/thinking about x because y is way worse" mentality is so fucking stupid and i better hope u went out today to protest for trans soldiers rights instead of sitting behind ur pc writing on a kpop forum in a Who Is Gay thread!

oh snap you have a great point there

but they still dumb af for wanting jongdae out tbh lol

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jaemin said "나는 coming out 하고 있어", literally "i'm making my coming out/i'm coming out" at 09:54??? i was falling asleep when i heard it and i was like "hmmm???" 

then i watched it again and that's because it was his turn to talk and he was literally coming out since it was time to speak, but like-- my heart still dropped a little lmao

https://www.vlive.tv/video/172457?channelCode=F3C16D

i'm literally so dumb and i just wanted to share this lol because korean ppl tend to use the expression "coming out" meaning a variety of things... but just as in the english speaker community they also use it alluding to people coming out of the closet, which is also the most common form of use.

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4 minutes ago, Gerimolda said:

People are nuts. You give them an inch and they take a mile.

YIKES

that's definitely not what i meant when i told people to respect the HOMO relationship ew

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5 hours ago, baekhyunee said:

he told his male friend they could get married

that male friend of his is messy af tho i wish they weren't friends at all lol but yeah lee jonghyun was always sus though he got no character and proved to be a bad person at times so he might be queerbaiting for clout and hiding his nasty hetero behavior hmm

edit: even if i don't like him, i'm adding this. at 14:43 the video narrates the time when he sent kyuhyun an audio of him practicing a love song then kyuhyun proceeded to ask what the fuck was that supposed to mean then jonghyun sounded like he was trying to bait him into a love confession and then backed off?? he always threw me off but i do think he's at least bi and sells himself to a male sponsor who's saving his ass everytime he messes up??? lol

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10H50I7hzOC0ENIOReJ1BxrCYFmWd57f3/view

 

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someone just told me kim heechul is straight and the one who's gay is his boyfriend

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On 1/27/2020 at 3:50 PM, Gerimolda said:

Kim Kwon gives more signals than a traffic light

he's followed by jo kwon and a gay japanese model i follow called been (@beenishere) so hmmm that's more than enough to confirm he's at least an ally but also

 

someone screamed support words at him and the actress beside him complimented his popularity lol but it sounded like it was a male fan?? 

he has every item from the one-hallyu-gay-speculation starter pack

and his smile is everything 

 

edit: omg him and been use the same emoji in their bios lmao

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14 hours ago, ga_shina said:

I think that says a lot lmao.

Thought you guys might be interested in watching this

 

 

i miss cha inha so much omg it's insane

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On 2/6/2020 at 2:18 AM, jung jaehyun's boyfriend said:

sometimes, their support just doesnt seem genuine and seems fake/forced.

what do u guys think?

what i think

it would be really dumb of me to assume they're clueless about the queer sentiment in their ocidental fanbase, but from what i see they don't seem very vocal about political matters in general so i don't really see active support from the idols i follow.

on the other hand, idols with ocidental backgrounds or who are familiar with a context out of their domestic comfort zone seem to be, in my opinion, pretty genuine on their support/statements which are also pretty lowkey, because for years it was never an idol's duty to be politically open and this is only happening now.

idols and their companies have been queerbaiting with fanservice for years now and we can see the difference between someone who queerbaits and someone who actually appreciates the community being it through art, music or overall just acting in a non-discriminatory way and recognizing diversity. 

i also believe a lot of them just don't really care. whether they normalized the LGBTQIA2+ or are just indifferent to the community is something you'd have to ask in person to know.

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1 minute ago, ga_shina said:

I'm not sure if I agree 100% with this as fanservice has always been primary for straight female fans. A group has more to lose than to win if they support LGBTQ (at least in Korea). Of course idols who are from other more progressive countries will be more open and more supportive as well as being more comfortable with most international fans.A company has more to gain from their idols "being" straight than supporting LGBTQ. 

Things are definitely changing slowly and 2020 has been pretty good in terms of support. 

what i meant to say is that it's easy to get fanservice twisted and jumbled onto the idea that x idol is actually supportive of the community like "oh he did that me must be/sympathize with LGBT" but it's actually aimed to straight female fans for fetish matters.

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not sure if this is relevante but byeogkwan he-

also him using "vibe check" LMAOOOO

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1 hour ago, zhili said:

TOP was rumoured to be in a long-term relationship with John H. Lee (@johnhleefilms)

 

would love that to be true 

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13 hours ago, 7Rudy said:

Asking to active idols come out of the closet is a carreer suicide.

sometimes i just can't believe we're living in the 21th century let alone in 2020

this unhealthy and hardcore idol-fan relationship/culture is not news, but as an adult i have a hard time understanding why is this level of delusion still a thing in older and newer fandoms. i understand being a hardcore fan who buys every goodie and stuff and supporting them to the point of crying, but not to the point of letting it interrupt your own life and normal social interactions. i mean, i guess it's normal to dream about dating your idol as a little girl, but it baffles me seeing some old ass rags acting so immature and it embarrasses me how they are still neglecting humanity and doing as worse as giving up moral and ethics over this fantasy. i feel bad for fansite masters who aren't sasaengs, because sasaengs be ruining everything these days. you have to be dumb to believe your idol doesn't have secret emotions, relationships unknown of or a private life that he would want to disclose in the future. idols are not deathless creatures let alone unbreakable. how is a person living their life disgusting or upsetting? the lack of empathy is what shocks me the most.

some just think they be hiring a host from a host club when they enter some fandom and pay for albums lol. 

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19 hours ago, lurker1823 said:

11. Is religious 

12. Said about being a father one day in an interview

even hong seokcheon is religious and has a daughter lmao wtf why am i laughing so hard @ this 

 

the general consensus about sehun being gay is so strong when he comes out as straight k-netz will be like

[+4938 -2] heol oppa i can't believe it lol

[+2342 -3] totally fake ㅋㅋㅋ

[+1003 -5] SM should be ashamed for having straight idols #sehun_out

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On 2/17/2020 at 12:02 PM, LostChild said:

Leslie Cheung is a very good example.

it got nothing to do with tony and jaeduck but seeing leslie cheung being mentioned it reminded of xiaojun's father who used to do drag as anita mui

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look who's back again with the gay shit 

edit: i didn't even watch it yet but whoever told them to play couple jenga for valentine's day has my respect 

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11 hours ago, Tixy said:

"no unnecessary skinship"

not related to produce 101 at all but i remember samuel being perceived as a homoerotic object by the fan community for the longest time when he was just a kid which is fucked up. but anyway, svt members would always be babying him and he would be always joking around about feeling weirded out from the culture shock which shouldn't be regarded as anything out of the normal, at least considering ocidental norms that he grew up internalizing. when samuel debuted with jaewon (that rapper) the skinship was still there, but after a while ppl would still make malicious and judgemental comments about... uhhh... skinship being excessive. you see, even a 12 year-old was seen in this light and put in such position, why would any of the teenagers/adults from pd101 be "exempted" from this? korean broadcast stations still have this traditional and conservative views engraved on them. i think they were worried about rumors or public reaction to things that would come out of simply touching you see. same-sex fanservice in j-pop is very suggestive and appealing, that would be frowned upon by the "public" i guess. 

 

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1 hour ago, lighterxx said:

seemed to go unnoticed by knetz

i don't think he would get shit for this even though he almost got ostracized by some prepubescent pann users who were overly sensitive because he told fans not to think of him as their boyfriend because that's just a fantasy. doyoung is a genuine and honest person, love him for that.

why do i think they won't call him out: i don't think this generation is "homophobic enough" to be so pressed about it and believe that celebrities or people in general MUST NOT recognize the existence of these minorities. the only ones who would call him out for that in my opinion are the crazy christians (but i don't think they listen to kpop lol) and other religious and conservative groups who can't admit the support being given to "sinners". as long as he doesn't become, let's say, "politically active" i don't think he'll have any problems. but i'm expecting him to be vocal about these things in the future, i'm sure there will be more statements coming from him, hopefully. as we say in my country: i'd love to see the circus catching fire.

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15 hours ago, ga_shina said:

men can be really good friends

i watched it lol i don't really understand why they have to do shit like this every single time

it's not like the guests felt disrespected nor in danger because of that, but MCs always got to hold onto the brakes and say "wait this shit too gay, let's stick the parental  advisory sticker here" just when i thought the show was getting "kinda" inclusive and interesting. i mean, what was i expecting from a show that only features male and female couples lol. bullshit.

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On 2/24/2020 at 8:41 AM, lighterxx said:

doyoung hater

this

NCT in general gets a lot of free hate from knetz, as someone said before knetz can be very selective and it plays a big part on SM artists getting tons os hate for every breath they take. they wouldn't care less if someone who's considered a nugu was to say something regarding th lgbt, even with ofc homophobia and the tasteless commentaries always that come along it would eventually die without bigger concerns, but remember when jonghyun defended LGBT; because he has a big following and is indeed very famous and influent far-right conservatives wouldn't live him alone and even got shit from fans (not majority) because they wanted him to "preserve his image".

anyway, i'm very positive that from 2020 everything is gonna get better and ppl will be more open-minded. 

 

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16 hours ago, Bushi said:

Notably that not everyone in SK is enamoured with them.  

i notice that feminism in SK  inclinates to the radical side  which i don't condone for the most part, but there's a part of their "philosophy" that i cannot deny that defending public personalities who, by the nature of their work, are misogynistic pieces of the entertainment industry and the reinforcement of symbols and messages that disregard the feminine position in society a lot of times, i take their side on not liking BTS and other male groups (even though i'm a fan of one myself). i'm also a fan of forgiveness, but i also agree they're not the best representatives, but oh well i guess they're in atm.

the one thing that leaves me with a bitter aftertaste in my mouth is how generalistic RM's speech was. it bothers me how the humanitarian ideal turns the humanity into a big homogeneous mass of people as if we have already reached the level of equality that is being preached everywhere.

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omg so many typos

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do you guys really think wearing pride merch equals support? i'm not trying to be shady and it's a real not hypothetical question, because i always get reminded of that episode of zayn malik wearing a pride bracelet and having fans praising him as he procedes to say he's only wearing it because it was gigi's gift. i'm glaad that brands started recognizing lgbtq as it helped us get places and exist in the mainstream, but isn't it too superficial at the same time?