Which male idols do you think are gay?

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9 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

This is somewhat unrelated, but I follow a lot of hot Singaporean guys on Instagram, and I'm pretty sure a lot of them are gay LOL. A few of them are in public relationships as well. So how does that work? Is it illegal also to just be gay? If it's not illegal to be in a gay relationship... gay sex is banned? How would they even monitor that, put security cameras in people's bedrooms?! This law is pointless because people are going to fuck regardless.

The law is even worse than being pointless. Unlawful distribution of private intimate photo/videos between two males would destroy their lives and literally (not just potentially) put them at risk. Could imagine different ways of blackmailing gay guys or destroying their career as well, because like you said, people are going to do it regardless.

 

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8 hours ago, lighterxx said:

Hm bcs of the way he says it, it sounds like he uses word gay as insult, at least for ONEUS, and for mamamoo he says it so normally o.o

It made me think he knows mamamoo is lesbian and uses gay as insult to oneus o.o? Is it just me? Maybe because the way sentences are translated, anyone who can translate and tell me whether sentences sound making fun of or something?

Nothing to see here, just a dumb guy bragging to his gf. 

Nothing to know either - he said he lived with them. The guy won a local unknown produce-wannabe debut competition in VN, debut in a Vietnamese group in Vietnam, never spend much time at all training in Korea, yet alone claim the both groups are gay.

Base on the language, both claims are implied as in insult.

No offence but this is the normal mindset of a typical homophobic guy in Vietnam - if a guy is feminine then he must be gay and that is bad. Same for lesbian. Even without the insult, this is an annoying habit of straight people, think that they can "see with their own eyes" if someone is gay,  after meeting said person a few times. 

Not gonna lie, as much as I do believe at least half of Mamamoo is not straight, trying to read into these nonsense insult will just encourage this behaviour.

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54 minutes ago, baekhyunee said:

he has said before that he didn’t want to keep denying the rumors a lot because it could seem rude. i don’t really know how to explain it but it’s like if you keep denying it over and over it again it could seem like you can’t stand being thought of as gay and that’s lowkey homophobic. 

edit: found what he said 

Yes. Heechul has mentioned many times he is not gay. He always say he likes women (he also does not say he doesnt like men either, but that is another discussion). 

In every single of Heechul news on Naver during Suju peak, there would be comments on his sexuality. Even now. So the amount of time HC did respond is actually low for the level of rumors he has.

We all feel annoyed when someone comes to this thread and insist that A/B/C/D idols are straight and this thread is ruining such idols, as if being gay is something so sinful. So having an idol repeatedly deny being gay is not a pleasant feelings for Lgbt fans. That is my main takeaway.

(I think HC is bi)

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41 minutes ago, Thatoneuser said:

It's because if rumors stick around long enough to some people they become fact. And being gay ruins the fantasy for a lot of fans, ergo loss of money.

I remember when Sungmin announce his marriage, there were two dominant streams of thoughts among the fans-turn-anti:

- They hated him because he ruined the fantasy of the fans' boyfriend. They couldnt think of him as their boyfriend anymore

- They hated him because he ruined the hetero obsession of gay couples. They couldnt fantasize about him in gay fanfic /fanarts anymore.

There are much much more deeper issues, but these were the most popular. Sungmin is a counterfactual example of how gay rumours can ruin a non-gay idols.

For JoKwon, I think if there MUST be an idol that comes out, it will likely be him. But coming out is not a responsibility, and considering the situation in Korea, I am kind of glad he seems to have no intention to do so.

Just a personal irrelevant experience: as someone who are not even in Showbiz, if people know/think I am bisexual I am pretty sure my teaching career will go down the drain.

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I was so confused for a good few mins here until I traced back all the posts haha.

1 hour ago, Thatoneuser said:

Why does everyone think grabbing someones genitals without consent is normal? 

 

I find it weird on so many levels, but this was not that very outrageous behavior in my old secondary/highschool. Many guys usually find it "hilarious" to mess around with someone genital, as a form of juvenile playful acto between friends, but in some other scenarios, use a cruel forms of violence. 

Not to mention the act of forcing others to lower their pants in public.

I tried to avoid these pp as much as I could tho. And some (closet) gay guys seem to do the same.

19 hours ago, lighterxx said:

That is the difference between big and small groups. SM protects their artists very well, as well as YG and JYP, even if it is to not lose image. Small companies let sponsors to happen, when Middle Tier companies, it depends but some of them are crazy protective, even more so than big ones. Really depends on the company for small and middle, while big companies wouldnt let anyone touch their idols basically. 

This. I dont know why you got negged. The shady type of sponsor is really nothing compared to the endorsement idols in Big 3 received. I dont see any tier A idols/companies would do that.

Plus sponsor is not helping that much among these groups. Actors rely alot on roles and screentime to get their names out, and I can really believe some are sponsored since they pretty much received great roles after roles even at the early stage of their career.

And to be completely honest, with saesang being able to sneak into idols house and hotels, I really dont see how some famous idols can hide it if they actually have a sponsor. A gay sponsor? Good luck.

 

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On 5/31/2020 at 3:22 AM, ga_shina said:

 

 

[+3,773, -407] Just come out and live your life proudly. There's no reason denying it anymore, its not cool.

1. [+3,214, -445] He's trans not gay...there's a difference. He identifies and lives as a woman.
2. [+2,489, -306] He's gradually transitioning to a woman..hul~what's wrong with him??
3. [+246, -16] It's so obvious. The only reason why he's not coming out to the public is because the other side won't let him. This is his way of indirectly expressing it. 
4. [+236, -17 Just admit it. He looks so much like Kim Kisoo.
5. [+236, -2] Why does it matter if he looks feminine. I like Jo Kwon because of he's always so playful and active
6. [+209, -24] Isn't it time to coolly admit it at this point??!
7. [+140, -20] He's become more feminine since he came out of the army. He probably got a pedicure set too. 

Source

Most of these sound so backhanded "supportive". Especially all three with 2000+ likes.

But at least the general public is moving towards somewhat acknowledge lgbt exist (even with so much steoreotype). One step at a time I guess.

 

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1 hour ago, Thatoneuser said:

No you shouldn't take it as a sign. I as a gay person recommend straight, movies, music, and media all the time. Some of my favorite things have a straight couple. It's really hard to recommend gay things too when there's a lack, even if there are stuff, it's not what I want. I want crappy, chick flick esque all consuming stupid love stories about gay people too. But sadly the stories are always about how they have to stay in the closet or like one of them dies. I love high drama but sometimes I just want to watch bad things too. 

Anyways rant over. Most of media is made by straight people about straight people, but gay people consume it. So no don't take it as a sign.

Lol agree. Some of my gayest friends spent weeks following straight first-love fluffy dramas. 

Also, there are some cute boy love/ girl-girl dramas in Thai. Not denying that many are sad stories, but there are definitely some fluff-comfort-drama if you guys want to check them out. If only Korea is that open.

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11 hours ago, haseul said:

not exactly sexuality but still think it's something this topic would be interested in!! 

 

To be honest, using "image" is the closest thing to coming out, without actually coming out - I am not sure if anythings not being translated though. Here is the full translation from Soompi. .

https://www.soompi.com/article/1415938wpp/2ams-jo-kwon-shares-thoughts-on-gender-mothers-reaction-to-musical-jamie-and-more

" In the past, I was afraid of a neutral-gender image. If people said I looked like a woman, I would deny it. Now I don’t do that. If people say that I look like Choi Ji Woo or Girls’ Generation’s Taeyeon, then that’s fine. I’m able to accept myself as I am. This is my long-lasting weapon in the future genderless age.”

 

Post military can be a blessing for idols sometimes

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6 hours ago, Blipblop said:

I’m almost positive their was a male idol that pretty much straight up said he liked other boys but I can’t for the life of me remember who it was.

Also I’m surprised no one here talks about Imfact (it might have been one of them actually who did the above) one of the members straight up said to another “You’re into boys,” lmao

Sehun said he like men in a concert. Not sure if anyone else, or the full context.

The thing is, in Korea, two celebs (or even normal pp) will hold hands with finger interwined, saying they are soul mate,  kiss, shower together, live together a very long time...., and none of it will account to anything in public. Of course homophobia and denial of gay existence is one reason, but culture is an issue as well.

So unless an idol flat out saying "I am gay/bi", none of other things will be consider coming out by the public.

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On the topic of company not encourage or promote a real couple, take Dawn (E-Dawn) and Hyuna as an example. Cube literally make a unit, and heavily promote + include lovey-dovey moments of them on their variety show. I highly doubt that Cube has no idea about them dating for the entire time. Cube was just SO CONFIDENT and never anticipated that Hyuna and Dawn would flat out admitting and overturn their dating denial statement. 

The thing is, a company will promote anything that will generate their benefit, as long as they believe either (1) media wont expose them (which is likely for homosexual relationship) or (2) idols wont rebel and admit the relationship once the media expose them (mostly for het one). For all it worth, Hyuna and  Hyun-seung were also heavily rumored to be dating back when they promote together as a duo.

So while it is quite logical to think company will never actively create a ship between real couple in the first place, I don't think a real couple that are also a ship within a group, or between groups are impossible. Also, one important thing to be considered, almost ALL ships eventually got some sort of interventions. We have so many dating news, a ship suddenly grow cold with each other, individual activities with other members.  So just because a ship is so popular, it does not mean there are no chance it is all fan-service and nothing real.

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15 hours ago, Kpop_fan178 said:

Any thoughts on 2PM?

I am especially curious about Junho because he seemed homophobic. He and other actor won an award for best kiss. They were the only MM couple and it seems that it was mostly for laughs. In an interview he said he felt humiliated by getting kissed on the cheek by a guy. Such fragile masculinity!

If you mean the kiss with Nam Goongmin then no, that translation is being twisted to hate. He did not say he is humiliated, but rather he was embarrassed/shy because this is his first kiss from a man and the kiss was ... moist. They were quite a bromance duo and every year there are news about them supporting each other.

https://www.soompi.com/article/983659wpp/2pms-junho-hilariously-describes-kiss-scene-namgoong-min-moist

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2017/05/2pms-junho-talks-about-his-unforgettable-kiss-scene-with-nam-goong-min

One thing I need to point out - even when one is being adverse to same sex skinship, it does not make him or her homophobic. Some people genuinly dont like skinship. 

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I have followed Suju for way too long. I mean, there are some that strikes me as potential bisexual like Heechul, Eunhyuk, and at some points, Sungmin.

For Siwon, despite numerous dating rumours with female, I always think he is a typical deep-down-in-the-closet-church-boy gay who suffer from internalized homophobia. And Ryeowook is the opposite - gay and not quite trying to hide.

I am not sure how to take this news, and this is coming from someone who fully believe in Heechul news after he confirms.

P.S: Personally, RW scandal arise from a small number of Elf who throw a ruckus on Lysn app about his dating rumour - so I dont really think it is a cover-up. Anyways, at this stage, I am not sure about anything anymore.

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13 minutes ago, Tixy said:

Guys, I know I insisted multiple times that bearding in a form of dating isn't a thing in the idol industry, but listen-

In all seriousness, is he going for an eventual lavender marriage?

Gay Heechul truthers, I understand you completely now, what the hell.

There are two things Ryeowook have said in the past that quite ring the bell for a lavender marriage for me. First, this

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/10/super-junior-members-discuss-personal-thoughts-on-marriage-on-my-little-old-boy

"Ryeowook, who "used to want to remain single," also shared that his thoughts changed after he noticed his parents aging."

And secondly, how he mentioned about afraid to disappoint his parents in the past, and how he may never become a son they want to be (I cannot find the translation on twitter, so it could totally be a mistranslation or taken out of context, so please correct me if I am wrong).

For all it worth, lavender marriage is something I don't wish upon my worst enemy, so I rather think he is not.

P.S: Adding to this, the fact that they are forced to admit the relationship because of FANS who already knew, not some dispatch or media outlet, is crazy. If you really think about this, many fans-turn-anti can easily out a gay idol and destroy their lives.

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16 hours ago, Acapella said:

It might be in the future how all things are. When one person finds the strength to come out it inspires so many others to also come out and then so many will come out of the woodworks that we had no idea. But unfortunately it’s so incredibly difficult to be that first one. Everything is unsure and they’ll receive the bulk of all the hate and rumors. If they’re then accepted it can be a safe zone for the others to follow. But man..it’ll definitely be hard because they would have to want to be a pioneer. A lot of idols I’m sure get to a point where they’re less active and are able to quietly live their life with a partner w/o ever being outed so they’d have to actually go out of their way and announce it to really make waves in the community. 

I agree that it is extremely hard being the first one to come out (if we do not count some lesser-known idols who did come out before). But I think it is still hard no matter being the first or the 100th. We have a celeb pioneer in coming out, and this is what Hong Seok Cheon got:

- He lost his relationship because of a witch hunt by netizen to find out the guy. And he has been having a hard time dating ever seen due to the extreme scrutiny from the public.

- He had to sent his adopted son (also his biological nephew) to study abroad to protect him from the harrassment.

- He did not dare to be in any of the school events for his kids, because he is afraid they will get bullied.

- His career froze for a very long time, and even now, he is forever labelled as the "gay comedian". Yes, he is a gay representative and it is a good thing, but at the same time, his role gets severely limited before and after coming out.

HSC may not know what is waiting for him and it was definitely scary, but now we knew and it was definitely not any less scary. Now, with idols and their notorious crazy fan culture, coming out may even mean a life-threatening decision, for themselves and for their family. Also, once an idol comes out, he would have a harder time being around any male friends without speculations.