Which male idols do you think are gay?

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10 hours ago, Unfair_ said:

i don't think is delusional, but i don't think is necessarily a romantic thing, they might just be bitter because of feeling left out by their friends or something. idk

Also of note Jisung has (had ?) no friends his age outside of the group, and it was the main reason he cited for joining Dancing High : he wanted to meet people his age that he could become friends with. So yeah it's most probably just feeling left out by someone he's very close to, without it being sexual. 

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2 hours ago, mirkoloveslurking said:

A.c.e.'s Jun and Byeongkwan. Aside from the gay agenda, they have really cool choreos and good music, it's worth checking them out.

Also would like to mention once more their bold fashion statements, Byeongkwan's crop tops in the last comeback in particular.

 

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4 hours ago, Tixy said:

Maybe this is not too relevant, but Jung Da Eun, the ulzzang that Wonho had supposedly dated, explained her position on her gender. Long story short - she's says that she has always been a girl. Since she sometimes get mentioned in this thread, I thought it'd be good for people to know how to refer to her. I'm assuming that she's probably just a butch lesbian, so I don't think that Wonho actually dated her. Bearding is more believable to me.

Or maybe they actually dated for a while because she was in a questioning phase. They were pretty young back then, so it's a possibility that Da Eun wasn't completely sure of her own orientation.

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52 minutes ago, cjbenny said:

For sure. My view of him has already been tainted by this and I'm sure we all know that if SuperM wasn't promoting right now, this apology would never have sprung up. It's calculated beyond all reason. 

Thing is, Taeyong has had bullying rumors in the past, but this homophobic comment only resurfaces today when SuperM is promoting, so I'd assume that the person resurfacing this is just as calculating as SM.

I'm not trying to defend TY here, just saying that showing this to the public ten years after the fact is only a move to discredit him once again. Bullying rumors are so common with idols, it just happens that for TY there's actually some truth to it. 

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18 minutes ago, raspberry84 said:

Are we really going to attack or shame the victim because they didn’t come out with this info on the timeline you deemed acceptable?

Yikes.

Someone came out with the info ten years after the fact, the WEEK SuperM debuted.

Tell me it was a coincidence, I'll laugh.

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15 hours ago, jjongjjong said:

At the end of the day, Taeyong is the only person with the power to change his own image. Jonghyun himself stood up for a LGBT student and openly showed support for gay rights on Twitter when he was at the peak of his career (the year he won a Daesang). So there's no excuse. If Taeyong is not homophoboc anymore indeed, he could very well express his views now, by either posting a message clarifying his thoughts, picking up a rainbow flag on a concert, writing a song about the issue, anything. It's true he's not 12 anymore, but you can't expect people to change their minds about him until he openly shows that he's different and he's an ally now (if he is).

Thing is, Taeyong isn't in control of his own image, because atm SM doesn't allow him to say whatever he wants publicly. If he says anything controversial (and speaking about LGBT rights in Korea IS controversial), it could lead to some problems for him (and maybe to his group too since he's their face as far as public perception goes).

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5 hours ago, Josaline said:

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Some of my Korean friends think that Kang Daniel's relationship with the Twice girl could be a deal like this. But they are more suspicious of a political agreement. Daniel's relationship blow up just when there were strong protests against the goverment. In return, Daniel was able to escape of his former company much more easily than other idols and be free.

 

Lol sure Jihyo had the other Twice members drive her around just so the dumb masses stop paying attention to political matters. This would never work, people just don't care about idols dating.

Daniel's scandal blew up just  a week after his record-breaking solo debut as a desperate last attempt at ruining his reputation. Dispatch had had several articles all written by the same "journalist" trying to defame him over the whole period of his lawsuit. The settlement in Daniel's favor was thanks to him hiring the best specialized lawyer money could buy, while LM had to change theirs in the middle of the lawsuit because of how poor of a job he was doing. So nothing to do with politics and everything with idol business.

They don't look like a PR couple to me, like at all ? It would make no sense for Daniel to want this kind of information public, it's bound to make him lose more fans than any gay rumor would. 

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7 hours ago, ChainedUp said:

Are we all operating under the view that those two guys from ACE are dating? I barely know the group but they have such a excited and radiant but at the same time comfortable and safe energy in every clip I’ve seen them in together.

I think it's all the more noticeable that Jun does a lot of fanservice with Donghun & Chan, but not with them, and while they're very touchy it's never as over the top as whatever Jun does (especially during concerts).

And yeah their body language makes it look super natural.

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1 minute ago, capital said:

I feel like Seungyoun (Uniq), Kino (Pentagon), Vernon (Seventeen) being close friends is kind of a LGBT or at least ally group. All three seem possible to me. What do you guys think?

It's much more likely their friendship is based on their shared passion for music, since they write songs together just for fun.

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44 minutes ago, skelten said:

I mean, at least he’s not outright dismissing LGBT totally? I feel like he isn’t completely against same sex couples etc, but there is only so much he can do because he is right, as a society South Korea is not ready for same sex marriage. It’s not like he’s spouting a load of homophobic, hateful nonsense like SOME world leaders do. Like I think it’s a good thing he’s speaking about gender equality too but I hope he puts his money where his mouth is. I know in the future SK will legalise same sex marriage. Just not any time soon unfortunately. 

South Korea has a lot of other steps to take before legalizing same sex marriage honestly, repelling the law that penalizes homosexuality in the army would be the first one.

Also legalizing same sex marriage doesn't make homophobia disappear, and actually makes homophobic speech more present, since it becomes an item of political debate. Legalization of same sex marriage was pretty rocky in France, lots of protests despite the fact that there had already been a form of civil union available to same sex couples for years. The biggest thing with allowing same sex marriage was the new possibility to adopt children/share parental authority, and all protests focused on that part even if it wasn't the only thing that changed (for example property and inheritance don't work the same for a married couple than for a one under civil union).

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16 hours ago, capital said:

Hmm, but what I meant was Seungyoun has seriously pinged my radar since Uniq days, and Vernon has at least been clear about being an ally (https://www.newsweek.com/vernon-seventeen-svt-lgbtq-1448100) and I think Kino is outright gay. I just want some discussion on whether their friend group is based on queer identity and if so, in what ways.

I only got to know Seungyoun through Produce / X1 and frankly his interactions with other guys on the show and in the group don't feel suspicious at all. Pretty certain he's at least an ally though, he's a smart guy with high emotional intelligence, who's embraced his own sensitivity (much like RM).

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50 minutes ago, capital said:

I also do not understand why should governments wait for consensus on cases like this. If the general public is conservative and demands laws contrary to basic human right to life with dignity eg. blasphemy laws, should the government bend knee? The laws must be beneficial and give equality to citizens. Once the decision is taken, then slowly public consensus should be built.

It's not a single person that can decide to change an existing law though ?

First it has to go through the legislative process and be approved by parliament. So representatives of the citizens have to approve it, and they'll only approve if they personally approve it, and/or it gives them political advantage. So as long as there's a big enough percentage of the voter base that doesn't agree to the change, they probably won't risk it, unless it's something they feel very strongly about.

For example in France when they removed the death penalty from possible sentences (in 1981), a majority of the population was still in favor of it ; but the then newly elected president felt strongly about the issue, and the next elections were far away enough that the issue wouldn't influence them, so the law passed. Same sex marriage induced a lot of protests but since they came from the opposing party the government didn't listen to them (but they still had to endure weeks of useless debates at the Assembly because the opponents did everything to slow them down and make as much noise about it as possible, when there were much more important subjects to tackle).

If Moon Jae In says that "society isn't ready" it' simply because he feels that if he starts this debate now, his party could lose the elections next year, meaning that conservatives would be back in power and he wouldn't be able to do anything about the issue anyway. So he's doing purely political talk to ensure his party stays in power ; mentioning women's rights in the same statement isn't innocent at all, it's there to remind his supporters that he's still a progressive and people with progressive views should still vote for him and his party even if they don't tackle every issue.

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7 minutes ago, capital said:

Isn't MJI's party the progressive one? So, if he has proper majority (which he should after PGH's disaster rule) why should we have to wait? Why shouldn't his party representatives put out a bill about that, and push it through? Opposition filibustering can delay but not deny. Feels like a lost chance. But, if he has no majority or is compromising in a coalition with conservatives I guess he can't do that. [Especially because our present government is majority so it didn't fall prey to Abrahamic voter-block pressure, while the earlier populist-leftist coalition government didn't help because small religious voting blocks were at stake.]

Legislative elections are supposed to happen in April, there's not enough time left to push a bill and have it actively applied.

Yes he has a good shot at maintaining his majority, and that's exactly why he doesn't want to do anything unpopular at the moment. A same sex marriage discussion is bound to make him unpopular with some undecided voters who would have otherwise voted for him, so he doesn't want to risk it.

Say they decide to pass the bill before the elections, and it creates enough backlash for them to lose those elections... then once the conservatives are in power, they will easily repeal it since they didn't have the time to actually apply it.

If they discuss that law after winning the election, there will be plenty of time for gays & lesbians to get married before the conservatives are in power again. And then it will be much more difficult to repel since they won't be able to make those acknowledged marriages invalid.

So, it's electoral talk for now. We'll see how things are in six months.

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11 minutes ago, Lolly21 said:

What?!

What do you mean? What happened during the filming of those scenes?

The director pushed the actresses to do things on camera that they clearly weren't comfortable with. 

Also of note, the movie is adapted from a graphic novel by an actual lesbian (who based it on her own experiences), but she didn't have any say in the way her story was adapted, and she wasn't even able to talk to the director about it once, because he downright refused to talk to her.

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9 hours ago, Talmort said:

Is Hyunjin from Stray Kids usually shy?

I heard he blushed while talking about Seugmin seeing him naked

In their first Idol Room episode Hyunjin's shirt was unbuttoned at the top and at some point he had to lean down a bit which exposed his chest. He suddenly got shy and asked for some double sided tape so they could have a 'safe broadcast' (his own words).

As a dancer he looks pretty comfortable with his own body, but he seems to be reluctant to show skin, unlike some other members of the group. And he did get shy around Jinyoung (his role model he says, but it looked more like he had a crush really). 

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17 hours ago, one-hoe wonho said:

i will forever laugh at people who sincerely believe that bighit is woke. they are open, but the society dictates what should be acceptable for the company. if that wasn't the case, V would have come out by now (i mean, he's def not straight with all those signs coming up). at the same time, fans hold a great power as well, since they are the moneygivers and the reason why their faves are thriving with fame.

V hasn't come out because he hasn't done his military service yet.  It has nothing to do with BigHit, BigHit just cannot protect him from the stupid laws of the South Korean army, so V knows he can't come out until he's done with his service. Why do you think Jo Kwon isn't out yet, with the amount of hints he's dropped ?

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1 hour ago, one-hoe wonho said:

what a reach lmao. if that was the case, we'd see multiple male idols coming out as bi or gay after their military service.  

No we wouldn't because it takes a lot of guts to come out in such a homophobic country, and I can't think of a single Korean celebrity that's been as obvious as Jo Kwon. The younger generation is accepting, but the people in charge often aren't, and a lot of agencies just would never let their artists come out because of the impact it would have on their career.

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1 hour ago, singularstigma said:

This drama is actually really good, yes it’s a side story but at the same time I thought it was done so nicely. Wonseok being gay isn’t treated as something comical, instead his sexuality just appears understood and normalised. I highly recommend. 

I don't know if any of you watched Moment At Eighteen last year, but the way they wrote the gay character was nice.

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8 hours ago, lighterxx said:

User says Xiao Zhan is not related but i beg the differ. It is quite impossible for him to not know what management was doing when he is one of the their milking machines atm. In my view he is wrong to not stop his fans here, especially when he DOES have power on company considering his popularity. 

Except being a popular star doesn't give you any power within your management company, you remain tied by the contract you signed  before becoming famous. And if he does anything that could be interpreted as unpatriotic, XZ knows his career is finished. He's the current darling, but it can end if a government official, or someone close to power, decides he's over - see what happened to Fan BingBing.

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2 hours ago, Thatoneuser said:

For a country that boasts about being so advanced and the future of Asia, they sure are stuck in the past.

Singapore is still a dictatorship so it's very far from advanced from a societal standpoint.

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22 hours ago, Josaline said:

There are some staff who sell flight informations

You don't need to be a staff at an agency to know flight information, you just need to work at the right airline company or the airport.

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1 hour ago, witchcocktor said:

I'm not saying I'm without sympathy, but it's hard to feel sorry when you (should) know what you're getting into. 

Do they really know what they get into though, or how they're going to deal with it ? Most idols debut when just teenagers, or barely adults. Even as an adult it's hard to measure the impact of something on you, before you're subjected to it.

 

Even if you like your job there's always going to be a part you end up not really liking, but you pull through because you like the rest. Initially it doesn't really matter if you have to do these things, but over time, frustration can accumulate and it affects you more than you thought it would.

I spent about eight years at my previous job ; I didn't get along too well with my manager, but for a long time it wasn't too bad, because the job itself was very interesting and we didn't spend that much time in each other's presence. But the last couple of years we were in the same office, and the tension between us rose gradually, to the point of becoming unbearable. We often clashed, I stressed a lot, and I was planning to resign when I got fired because of it.

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9 minutes ago, witchcocktor said:

They might not know what they are getting into, because I'm sure the idol industry seems completely regular and normal from the perspective of a person who has lived in SK their whole lives, and a lot of the stuff that I perceive negatively is just normalized there. But I don't think you can compare getting into the idol industry and any job that just pays the bills.  

I'm not talking about a job that just pays the bills, but a job you're really invested in and genuinely like. It's actually much worse when you like your job, because you're a lot more conflicted about not doing it well, and will take everything that happens with it much more personally than if it's "just a job". 

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3 hours ago, lighterxx said:

He is literally a cult member idk how people like him, he is despicable to me

 

Bogum is a cult member because his parents are, and he was raised in that belief system. It is pretty difficult to escape this kind of indoctrination, and even if Bogum has stopped believing the nonsense the cult fed him, he knows that if he leaves, his parents are probably going to shun him.

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7 hours ago, baekhyunee said:

here’s another guy explaining the gay club situation 

the saddest part about this is that you could see the younger generation in korea becoming more supportive but now that people are starting to “blame” the lgbt community, i can see that changing real quick. if it were being spread amongst heteros, no one would care. in fact, people in the replies were saying how it originally spread in korea at a christian church but there wasn’t one specific group of people who where blamed for it. but people will use any reason they can to hate on people that are different than them. 

it’s later in the thread but he even talks about how people are being threatened to be outed and forced to delete their dating app profiles. this is honestly ridiculous. 

And the only reason this club has become such an issue is because of ambient homophobia. The people who were at that club received messages to encourage them to get tested for COVID, but a lot didn't because they would basically have outed themselves.