Which male idols do you think are gay?

[honeymaple]

I'm guess it's because of you guys are not so familiar about Korean but "love between man and woman" it's the very homophobic way to said about "romantic love", like some romantic love between 'man and man' or 'woman and woman' is not exist. I know Rap Monster's not like homophobic, but's not... people aren't thinking about lgbt with such a statements. It's just that normal way to say "romantic love" for Korean culture.

[honeymaple]

I'm sorry, but you can't possibly know what he meant by that for sure. That's just your interpretation of things. Your guess is as good as anybody's, but it does not make it the #confirmed, absolute truth. Since Rap Monster is openly an ally, it's valid for people to consider his words inclusive of more than just straight love. I don't know why some of you are so pressed to put words in your faves mouth when they clearly leave things open for interpretation. 

 

And why the h*ll do some of you have a problem with people wanting representation so much that you would go out of your way to post an "explanation" in this thread to prove others how wrong they are?????

 

I speak Korean and familiar with a culture. Further I'm gay, it's not about some proving wrong? It's just to explanation for about that phrase, it's not ally phrase but common Korean phrase.

[honeymaple]

but...he was speaking english?

 

It's Korean way of phrase. Even in electronic dictionary I search to æ‹ (Japanese word for "romantic love") Korean says "(남녀간ì˜) 사랑", it's mean "(for between man and woman) love" 

[honeymaple]

My impression is Siwon's that kind of "hate the sin love the sinner" type? Against make the homosexuality illegal, also against the equal rights

[honeymaple]

I found this about Kyuhyun

 

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If it's Japanese ã„ã„ or çµæ§‹ mean's "ok" but can be said about "don't need/don't want" so, is there an original clip for that?

 

 

 

oh honey. learn to actually listen for a second when an actual native korean blesses your presence with an actual knowledge about the culture. You can't even understand what the boys that you're speculating on about are saying. LIke it's getting sad.

 

Jimin wants to look masculine To A WOMAN. throughout all the little videos of him pretending to talk to an imaginary GIRL or in any situations, he diverts back to his natural busan accent which has a stereotype of sounding masculine in korea. 

 

Since you can't understand jackshit what he's saying, his tone, all you're basing on is his face expressions and body language. It's not your fault, like, i get it that if you cant hear anything and only just goes by what you see and your westernized LGBTQ bias that you just can't help but project your own LGBT thing onto these boys who probably are clueless on what even the FACK is ~pansexual and demisexual~ LOL..

 

저는 한국어를 할수있는 ì¼ë³¸ì‚¬ëžŒ ì´ì—ìš” 만나서 반가워요. 지미니 게ì´ë¡œ ìƒê°í•´ìžˆì§€ë§Œ 네가 ë‹¤ë¥´ë©´ë„ ì¢‹ì•„ìš”. ì˜ê²¬ì€ ëª¨ë‘ í¥ë¯¸ë¡œì›Œë„¤ìš”  

ì‚¬ì‹¤ì€ ìš°ë¦¬ 지미니가 최근 한눈ì—ë³´ë©´ë„ ê³¼ê±°ë³´ë‹¤ 좀 여성스럽네요.

 

 

완전 다르네요ㅋ

단순하게 컨셉ì´ë¼ê³  할수있지만 그가 스스로 팬사ì¸ì—ì„œ ì´ë ‡ê²Œ 했어요↓

 

 

지민ì—게는 "지금" ì˜ ì§€ë¯¼ì´ ì¢‹ë‹¤ê³ ë„¤ìš”. 그래서 저는 지금 "좀 여성스러운" ì„±ê²©ì„ ë³¸ì„±ìœ¼ë¡œ ìƒê°í•œë‹¤

[honeymaple]

I think gaydar it's a same in any of culture after the exposure to and get used to. I'm say as eastern view and not zainichi. Even my Korean gay friend's agreeing about it.

[honeymaple]

Still ignoring to me. It's may be because I'm not a westerner? 

[honeymaple]

I think about this younger generation it's loudest opposition because of the loudest support, you know? Surveys showing majority support for younger generations, to opposition's psychologically pressure to more loudly opposing.

 

Don't feel down

[honeymaple]

I always said so, only the reason for shipping for me is when it's suspicious. I stopped to talk about jikook because of criticisms but it's a same as like before. If it's not suspicious I'll stop shipping. It's only getting more suspicious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you know Japan? They have shops everywhere selling different, interesting and eccentric costumes. Inside that video, it's obvious that they are wearing these costumes in a closed area. Maybe they can still be in the shop, we do not know that. Maybe they were having fun trying different costumes.^^  And this is ok. While they are having fun, they collect material for their videos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Video it's in the hotel 

 

 

 

 

[honeymaple]

Something about Japanese culture! I think many the Korean idols feel very free while visiting to Japan because of Japanese culture regarding celebrities. Here, it's so bad behavior to bothering celebrities in public. It's safe place for vacation. Many the fan accounts in social media waited to post about spotting until jikook already go away to help privacy.

 

Also regarding Tokyo Disney, it's popular date spot, especially in nighttime. Of course it's also popular for tourists, so it's not a proof about their intention. For me I think it's logical about going at night and avoid the recognition somewhat 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, there are possibilities for them to be together, but I don't think they are, and I'm sure of that. You sound like Korea is the only country that against to the same sex, but it is not. This situation receives different reactions almost everywhere in the world. More in some countries, less in others. But fan service is part of the Asian entertainment culture. Also remember that the companys supports this. Fan service has an important place especially in Asian groups. Companies know this, and most likely they encourage members to do it, even train them on this issue. I would not have been suspicious of Taekook if I were against the possibility of a relationship between the group members.

 

 

Everyone thought Harry and Liam were together. But then what happened? Liam is now a child's father. And he said that the shippers  making it strange their relationship. But shippers still think they are together and do you know what they say? Gay mens get married and have children to hide their relationships. 

 

Likewise, the fans thought that Kamenashi and Akanishi (KAT-TUN) were together. They were the most legendary ship in the country (Japan). But now Akanishi is married and has two children. Their fans say the same thing that Larry shippers say. I call it a denial.

 

 

I accept that we misunderstand the closeness of the two guys, especially the idols who have been trained to fanservice. Yes, there is always the possibility. But we must be careful not to confuse friendship, work and love. When I watched that video, I saw two friends who came together for a specific purpose, and while doing so, they were trying to have fun. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Akinishi has the rumors about sleeping with men even he's married. He is sometimes spotting at Nicho too, gay area of Tokyo.

 

 

[honeymaple]

That ideal type interview 'gender doesn't matter" thingy

 

It's correction translation, I'm Japanese.

 

異性ã«é™ã‚‰ãš meaning's "not be limited to opposite sex"

[honeymaple]

San E was wearing a safety pin earring the first day of auditions. I feel like he's American enough to know what it means and that, if he's not bi, then he's at least an ally. He pings for me but he has some really deep internalized issues so...like I don't know if it would be healthy to be in a relationship with him. His songs 120 Days of Sodom and Counseling, plus the last few lines of Black Suit, seem really real. 

 

Means? Safety pin, it's very popular fashion accessory... Some meaning in America?? 

[honeymaple]

 

 

 

 

Sorry for going back to the jikook video yet again but somewhat related to it... either this is absolutely nothing, or Jimin is just incredibly stupid (or not, I dunno).

 

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A fan posted a tweet that gained minor traction on November 9, 2:39 KST. That tweet roughly says while referring to the GCF video:

 

"Are you dating? If you're really dating, on your next official selca, please wear glasses."

 

Lo and behold, Jimin posted 21 hours ago the following tweet.

 

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He even captioned it 안경, meaning "glasses". Coincidence, maybe? but rather specific, YEP.

 

Now as I said, this could be absolutely nothing, or absolutely everything. Feast on! (it's probably just nothing)

 

 

More, Jimin's wearing Jungkook's hoodie in there! (same hoodie from Tokyo video)

 

But of course it's all can be coincidence, probably coincidence.... but for one second my heart stopped when I saw 

 

Oh, and it's posted time...

^"Kookmin Tokyo trip start day"

 

 

But of course just coincidence surely...

 

 

Delulu mode.... Lyrics from DNA and Serendipity, "this all is not coincidence" 

 

Edited November 13, 2017 by honeymaple

[honeymaple]

It's not allowed to talk about? Even it's just for fun, I thought that was so funny/shocking coincidence 

[honeymaple]

People's always posting some various fun things in here and I never posted seriously any non-evidences because I know it's not shipping thread 

[honeymaple]

*facepalm* Obviously, as the clothes on Jungkook have proved, the interviews were made on the same day and possibly in at short intervals. Of course it is very normal to give the same answer. Also, if you watched the video 1:42 reporter ask actor first then he say actress. And in Rapmon translated it like that. That's why Jin answered this way. :/

 

RM said ì œì¼ 좋아하는 여배우가 있는지, it's "do you have a favorite actress?"

[honeymaple]

He said clearly " yeobaeu (actress) " and " baeu (actor)"  He speaks quickly.

 

When did he say it? 1:43 exact words: "ê·¸...ì œì¼ ì¢‹ì•„í•˜ëŠ” 여배우가 있는지", slow the video it's this words.

[honeymaple]

Even regardless of ships I think Jungkook's bisexual 

[honeymaple]

Jungkook is normal boy, but normal boys can be like gay or bi it's not weird. To my gaydar Jungkook is bisexual, I always did think about him.

 

But some things with ignoring about gaydar. It's not any proofs but may be some evidences:

Beside RM, Jungkook is most 2nd member about liking somegay materials.

Never change pronouns in covers even he's said he searches the lyrics meaning (and his English is good enough for understanding anyway about pronouns).

Jungkook often appreciates to male bodies.

Ideal type it's sometimes masculine even it's supposed be about girls.

Never wrote lyrics to a girl but wrote some love songs lyrics.

Encourage to male fans even they are gay like saying some "please date me" to him.

Prefer "boy" line from "I know" song.

Sometimes saying a crush to mens like Iron Man.

Gay story with Suga in BU label contents.

Sometimes look or touching or saying some sexual inappropriately to other members.

Before maybe seemed like a crush to RM.

Suspicious behaviors with Jimin.

 

I can compile some things about above if it's interested 

[honeymaple]

I know right...... i have only know a group that did that.....the Russian girl group T.a.t.u who heavily queerbaited with lesbianism and now one of them is a ragging homophobe.

 

why would anyone pretend to be gay in a country like korea where even if not everyone is a homophobe there are still some backwards mindset about it.....

 

 

Yulia thinks lesbians are beautiful, she only hates to gay men because of gender role for men. I think it's just sexism than homophobia  

 

[honeymaple]

 

yulia did say she would condemn her son if he was a f*g, that's homophobia, she thinks lesbians look better which shows her ignorance on the topic, of course she would say that after playing lesbian for years

 

 

 

She said she's hate us because of God made men for "procreation", so "fag" is not real man. Her emphasis was about man's role from the God. I think if somebody said about women "women's only existing for procreation, lesbians go against God! But gay men's okay!" everybody will say "that's sexism"

 

[honeymaple]

 

 

 

................i feel like jimin is/tries to be accepting but ends up still saying heteronormative things and its a little disappointing

 

 

i know he did that hotel room drama with taehyung so he's obviously not closed off to a couple being made up of two men and that these are both said in a jokey way but it still makes me feel a bit weird i guess...........same with yoongi's "we're two men, why would my heart flutter" in that japanese magazine. if he hadn't made explicit references to the type of men he liked in the past and written his cypher lyrics i would've thought he was outright homophobic

 

i know this is kind of negative but i've been feeling weird lately and if anyone wants to shed some more insightful light on this or anything i'd be glad 

 

 

 

 

No no no, please stop to spread the mistranslations!

 

Suga's said: "My heart's not flutter for between men", it's no homo but not the homophobia

 

[honeymaple]

Get in line sis   I wish people would realise that Koreans only seeing crossdressing as comic relief is actually quite misogynistic and homophobic lol. They only find it funny because it's a man dressing like a woman, and women are the inferior sex, so haha, isn't it funny how this man dresses up as a woman? And then that leads into how effeminate gay/bi men should be treated, as they have similar characteristics to women. And then that breeds the whole masc4masc culture, which then leads to toxic/fragile masculinity. Which looks down on men who dress/act like women, and the whole cycle starts again. No wonder there's literally no drag queens in SK. It's upsetting that drag, an art form, is looked down on because people think it's only cis men dressing up as women, when actually it's how many trans women survive. It's more complicated than that, I just summarised it because I'm tired lol.

 

Woooooooooooooow!

Please don't talk about some thing you're not understand. That's so ignorant.

 

Women's not some "inferior sex", it's so wrong to be saying that such! Women are equal value with men in the Asian culture. It's different kind of value, but equally. Only Westerner thinking inferior. Please forget about that bad stereotype.

 

The crossdress it's funny because of men's strict gender role plus silly behaviors. Nobody laughing to Ren or Jeonghan even they are girly, don't you think?

 

MAMAMOO's video ìŒì˜¤ì•„예 it's comedy too, or now seeing that you're thinking about men's that inferior sex? It's the homophobia? Misandry?

 

Or maybe like a reverse that's just some comedy too.

[honeymaple]

About BTS ship please ignore if you're not like 

 

Many coincidences around this two.

Many of jikook shipper's think about November 8 it's anniversary for jikook. Always doing something for that date from 2015

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100 days it's important to sentimental Koreans couples. 100 days later, miss the Valentine's Day, the romantic song cover is uploaded Jungkook

http://bangtan.tistory.com/339?category=399403

 

Yesterday it's last day of BTS Muster, and 799 days later of 2015 November 8

 

 

 

So many the coincidences keep happen and happen and happen...

 

[honeymaple]

It's evidence J-Hope accidentally said he's wanting boyfriend instead of girlfriend, but it's normal mistake Jungkook accidentally said marriage word for men instead of marriage word for women...

 

Or, maybe it's Jungkook was thinking often about gay marriage that time, or maybe thought "Jimin will marry to man" and accidentally said marry to man word.