Which male idols do you think are gay?

[KiriL]

Can somebody, please, help me? I remember someone posted about Korean LGBT organisation but I don't remember any detail. Is it a charity organisation? Does anyone have an official link to their account or smth? Does anyone maybe know any other Korean LGBT charity organisation? I will be realy grateful if somebody will help me.

[KiriL]

Hi! Others have posted about them, but I did post their update here a few weeks ago. The project is called Rainbow Teen Safe Space run by Solidarity for LGBT Human Rights of Korea. Their goal is to provide shelters for LGBT teens to get help on counseling, medical services, food, etc. Here's a link to their funding page. There's unfortunately not a lot of other organizations out there. Thankfully, events (as other posters here have also mentioned) like the Seoul Queer Culture Festival and the Daegu Queer Culture Festival are crucial for awareness and visibility. Hopefully there are some ways to donate and support them too.

 

Edit: It looks like there's a QR code link on the Seoul Queer Culture Festival site that allows for donations to be given and merchandise to be purchased, but I'm not sure if it's for Korean citizens/residents only. Hopefully someone who understands Korean can give better info on that.

Thank you so much!

Yeah, it's a little hard to navigate on those sites (I found 3 http://www.ddingdong.kr/  http://www.kqcf.org/ http://lgbtpride.or.kr/) cause it's in Korean, so I asked for help here for maybe more specific information or project) I am really grateful, thank you!

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[KiriL]

TAEHYUNG.

 

however, a moment that has really made me doubt that tae is only attracted to men is this moment of him checking out a female instructor's bum??? it's pretty old and i'm not too sure of it now but it has been haunting me ever since i saw it like

120385 years ago.

 

I am so late to this, but I really want to comment about that episode cause I honestly have never understood why people bring this as a receipt even. Have you ever worked out or did any type of excerices in a gym? With a coach? That's legit what you do there when you learn new excercise: keep on checking coach pose and looking back at yourself to see if everything is correct and to fix it if it's not. Watch the video, at that exact moment girl says "to press down your heels" and even points on them and in such moments it's honestly the most natural thing to do to look at coach then down to your body then to coach again to check everything (and when you have no actual mirror at the moment to see yourself, like in Tae's case, it's even more natural way of behavior). Then girl starts going up and you see Tae look at her but quickly look at monitor after, cause from the place he stands it's not the best angle to see profile of posture perfectly to follow its movement correctly with his own body. Idk, that's the way I have been interpreting this episode from the moment I saw it for the first time and I am really confused at why some can see anything other there. Tae was uninterested af in that girl.

Just watch it by yourself

 

 

I know, but of all the places to sit though, lol.

Especially when you now supposedly own your own 1+ million apartment in the Seoul Celebrity Triangle.

 

It's probably not even that deep, it just struck me as comical. I'm sure he does some of this shit on purpose.  

Tbh after I saw in Bon Voyage 3 that there is no bed in his bedroom just a mattress which is putted on a floor in just few cms away from a trash can I ain't surprised about anything in Kook and his enviroment lol

 

Also not related to anything, but I actually find his choice of background really interesting in the most non-lgbt way: with this lighting the footage looks really mysterious, there are so many shades of colors, but they aren't too bright, also it's not just simple wall with pictures or paintings, it's very unigue and catching, but still simple enough to not draw attention much to itself. Idk, I just find the choice of background very smart from composition (?) point of view)

[KiriL]

Ah, I would LOVE receipts on Yoongi's crush on Hoseok! They always have an interesting dynamic (Yoongi seems to go along with Hoseok for things I don't think he ever would with anyone else) but I never felt he had a crush on him.

I would love it too) Tbh in my opinion Sope dynamic reveals so many interesting sides of Yoongi, I would love to discuss it)

 

Sope is a thing of beauty and puts a smile on anyone's face. I actually think Yoongi felt more strongly than Hobi did about Sope, he seemed more into it to me. In the recent little video they did, didn't he say something like he watches Sope videos on YouTube? 

Someone translated it like this, yes, but I think it was a little bit different situation. They were discussing possible content for Sope to do in future and mentioned their Try Not To Laugh Challenge they did years ago and Yoongi suggested to do it again, since there are new compilations every year and he hasn't laughed ever since then. Not sure if he mentioned Sope compilations or not (I don't see it on official vlive subs and I can't find that tweet with translation as well), here is another translation

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[KiriL]

courtesy to this post on tumblr. I don't know where  this is from or the context of it buuut...

 

 

 

 

It's from Love Yourself in Seoul dvd. They did sort of reaction video to compilation of moments from their previous concerts and LY concert and one of moments was their group hug and after it was ended someone (I thought it was Tae tho lol, I guess I was wrong) said about kissing each other on next concerts.

[KiriL]

Just bro enjoying other bro hipthusting

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Yoongi really loves Hoseok in Baepsae)))

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12 hours ago, Josaline said:

After that forced kiss, Taehyung and J-Hope's also had a long period of tension. J-Hope has been cold towards Taehyung for a long time, but they have warmed up again as time went on. The fact that after that incident the two performed fanservice together dropped dramatically. I think this says a lot.

Not sure why you are telling a wrong info here, but Vhope ship was sailing hella hard from both Tae and Hoseok (and fans) for few years after debut, even in Rookie King it was Hoseok who brought up kiss later in that "of course" game, they were absolutely fine. The tension started later, somewhere around HYYH or earlier, somewhere around JiHope starting to be a thing. I ain't even sure why Hoseok distanced himself from Tae on camera,cause obviously I am not Hoseok lol I used to think that something happened between them, but looking at how Hoseok later cancelled JiHope and now doing same with Sope, I am starting to think that he just love to cancel his ships for whatever reason when they become too popular.

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39 minutes ago, Josaline said:

I agree that Hoseok was acting strange when canceling his own ships. One moment he is very close to someone, a few days later he does not even allow that person to touch him. He cut off his ships so suddenly so it causes everyone to get confused. There is a vlive that he pushed Taehyung's hand away from himself and Taehyung looks really sad after that. Then when Sope became so popular, he suddenly cut off Suga too. I don't know, but I agree that Hoseok doesn't want a ship that contains himself to be too popular. Fanservice happens if he allows it, if there is a sudden fanservice attempt, you can see that he's doesn't liked because his face say it all.  

Yep, it's exactly it. Not only vlive (are you talking about the one where ot7 were secret santas for each other? agree, trully sad tbh, Tae wanted to touch him so much), but in overall he was avoiding Tae for some period of time everywhere, and yeah, same he is doing now with Yoongi, and it might not be that obvious but from some period he became much less touchy with Jimin as well (tbh  I am really curious what will happen with hopekook, although there is a lil different situation and dynamic). People call it his Aquarius thing lol But that's also why I don't think it has anything to do with that scripted kiss and that it ruined any dynamic and relationship between them.

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On 4/23/2020 at 7:08 PM, Josaline said:

Maybe I may have confused timing, so I'm sorry if I made a mistake. Two things seemed to me to be related to each other. Yes, it was Vlive that I was talking about. But even before that, I remember several times that when he send away Taehyung from himself with just his gaze. He can be very scary if he wants to.  Actually, you made a good point. Currently, 3J (Jimin, Jungkook, J-Hope) is highly promoted. I thought this promotional period was related to their military service. I think that they have already started promoting the units they will form when the members begin to enlist. Only after this period will we be able to see if J-Hope will change again.

Sorry for late reply. Tbh by different situation and dynamic between hopekook I meant their actual relationship, like how Kook went as far as buying an apartment not only in the same area or in the same house as Hoseok, but exactly on same floor, legit next door to him or how Hoseok still babies Kook, the only one in maknae line who he still babies, and allows him so much. What I mean is that currently their situation is just different from previous ships, so maybe Hoseok will just not cancel anything this time. Idk, we still need to wait for probably a year or maybe less for fandom to fully gasp on hopekook ship and for it to become really popular to see if Hoseok will do anything here.

Also not sure where do you see Hoseok being promoted this cb, it's maknae line focused and I agree it's due to upcoming military service. But if you meant ships then, yeah, lately not only Hoseok does a lot for a ship, but bighit seems to support this pairing as well, although Kook was into a ship for few years already lol And JiKook was bighit fave ship for years)

On 4/24/2020 at 4:39 PM, chargerdine said:

This post is a slightly late but the reaction to this is quite jokes.

Bighit is notorious for feeding ships, actually it’s been heavily discussed here, so why all of a sudden would they delete and edit something that feeds said ships? Let’s keep things straight lol

I don’t know the full story of this or if it’s true or not, but if it is, it was definitely not just because of shippers. 

Tbh I don't like such evidence, I like when we can see the whole video to make a conclusion. I mean, we don't even know what exactly was cut off besides this screenshots with taekook doing smth (and I doubt they did anything strange considering that both definitely were aware of cameras since it was a day of shooting) which doesn't even look like anything weird and Yoongi (?) looking goofy af. We just know a shipper's side of it,  maybe bighit cut off this piece just cause they wanted a video to be cleaner or shorter. I just wish we could see the previous version to compare cause with just this it gives nothing imo.

21 hours ago, Melany said:

if i remember well there was a moment in bv when jk kissed hoseok (on the check?) under the tent and bh blurred it. 

Don't remember anything like this. I mean the "blurring" part, but I definitely wish to see a close-up of neck kiss situation or tent situation)

7 hours ago, annetamiau said:

I don't think J-hope is straight, he's way more guarded than Tae when it comes to expressing interest in LGBT+ films, songs or artists but the look on his face when he saw the ripped man from Bon Voyage 2 get Jimin's towel was priceless (tbh that's true for most of them, J-hope just so happened to be in the middle of the frame so he stands out more). It's even more glorious in gif form but from a quick search I could only find a pic. 

This is why I have trouble making up my mind with BTS.

There is also another instance of J-hope checking someone out (I think it's Tae) in a jacuzzi, but I can't find it now. It's more recent than the Hawaii thing, maybe from the last Bon Voyage? And he was also clearly checking out Jungkook's butt recently too, but I can't find it either (they were wearing suits I think), I'll try to find these two examples later.  

What do you mean by that? If he isn't into it or doesn't like it why would he express any interest or be guarded about it?) The only ones in Bangtan who openly express love for lgbt-related stuff and even recommend smth are Joon, Tae and Kook. Even Yoongi or Jimin, one of the most speculated members, don't say much in this direction. Still Hoseok recommended a song from Brockhampton (although I ain't sure if it wasn't just cause Brockhampton is a great hip-hop act), he also danced along with Kook to Sam Smith How Do You Sleep when Yoongi suggested it as best choreo or MV on one of iheartradio interviews.

By him checking out Tae, I think you mean this) Can't find the Kook video but it was on same vlive where Hoseok commented about Yoongi's crotch, he was wilding and doing whatever this cb tbh. Have you seen him putting a sticker on Kook's crotch?)

 

 

 

[KiriL]

Haven't posted here for ages but keep on following the thread and since Kook and In The Soup appeared on the thread,  the show definitely gives us interesting moments)

I mean, it's pretty known how Kook is obsessed with Hoseok butt and touch and slap it every given moment, but the way he feel it up and down is smth new on cam. Twiiter is going crazy about it currently.

I also sometimes think about the second moment on this video, the way Kook hesitated at first and tried to stop himself but then just fully went for it) When I first saw it I wondered why he hesitated even, considering it's quite common fanservice from his side. Maybe he sees how overboard touchy and clingy he is when it comes to Hoseok or maybe Hoseok isn't really comfortable with such things on interviews or maybe company asked him to tone it down a little bit or maybe it's nothing serious and his mood just swings here lol Idk, just found this moment interesting, cause Kook doesn't hesitate usually when he wants to do smth.

 

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20 minutes ago, yayyyyyy said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this episode was broadcasted on jtbc? and personally, watching it I felt like Jimin just wanted to make hobi uncomfortable (for fun) and jhope wasn't having it because y'know,  this is going on national tv, but it was a funny moment for me idk?

Tbh I ain't sure if latest Run episodes are broadcasted jtbc or not, personally I just watch them on vlive, but it doesn't matter actually cause this scene is from behind-the-scenes and as far as I know they are only broadcasted on weverse, while in actual episode there is no even a sign on jihope shenanigans (although there is Kook slapping Hoseok's butt)) I mean, there is always editors so I am pretty sure members know that everything not really appropriate will be edited out if needed. Also honestly speaking I don't think jihope hug would seen as anything scandalous on jtbc channel lol

I just also think that Hoseok is not very keen on fanservice when it comes from others towards him and he isn't in control of it. Sometimes he is fine with it but mostly not really and tends to stop it as soon as he can

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3 hours ago, joonsoulie said:

I agree Hobi isn't AS big on fanservice in recent years (but um... debut jihope anyone?) but I don't think he was like. Bothered by Jimin sitting on him...It's a 5 second clip I don't think it's that serious if my friend sat on my lap I wouldn't know how to react either but it's not bc I'm heterosexual

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Just adding on I don't think these two have any problem with skinship

 

 

Not sure who you respond to but I haven't said that jihope have any problem with skinship lol I've said that Hoseok has a problem with it or fanservise (not always of course, but majority of times in latest years) when he is not in control of it. Literally your own compilation shows exactly what I mean: Hobi is very clingy to Jimin when he himself initiates skinship but pushes Jimin away in the last clip and leans away and doesn't even try to hug Jimin back in the first clip and in both Jimin was the one who started) That's what I meant.

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13 hours ago, OptimusPremier said:

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 I have real trouble understanding this thread's adamancy in undermining all of Yoongi's questionable statements under the "He didn't mean it" umbrella all the time for x or y reason (each time I bring one receipt up, I get the "I think he's not straight but about this one..." no matter which one it is).

If a rapper says "my flow makes all the girls' p*ssies wet" would you say that "it was just a metaphore!" or would you think that this guy probably doesn't treat women right? His choice of words would say something about the kind of person he is, just like Yoongi's choice of words says something about himself.

For me the line has the same vibe as Yoongi thinking that he showed that guy a good battle move at 0.20 :

I don't think that he was trying to seduce that guy, but the fact that he thought about this sexual move to "battle-brag" against another guy says something about him.

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Like Yoongi says "Whether you're a guy or a girl, my tongue will make you come" and y'all are like "Semantics!" while Hoseok moans in pleasure in the background.

He says "It's not limited to a girl" or even according to some translators "it's not exclusively/limited to heterosexuality", you say that it was "lost in translation".

He says "There's nothing wrong [with same-sex love]. Everyone's equal." Well he must be supportive (even though a very supportive Namjoon was carefully choosing his words, much vaguer in comparison.)

"You know, honestly, I've been thinking that men from Gyeongsang-do are good-looking." He was obviously talking about himself. 

He wore LGBT limited edition Vans only available in stores. Oh, must be the stylists' choice (right, they saw LGBT shoes and thought "oh that's totally Yoongi" not sure how it makes a point)

"Someone who's masculine. I like masculine, macho type with beard. Line Wonbin-ssi or Cha Seunghyun-sunbaenim." Ok this one I didn't see much denials at least jhgflkjhgfrt

And what about girl type? "Streetwear." What do you look at first on a girl? "Her bag." How do you ask a girl out then? "You say get out." He was just tired of the questions!

In 2013-2014, he was strangely going back-and-forth: when he was made to wear the maid dress, he said "Hip-hop is dead" shamefully, before taking a pretty kind of selca in the dress (which I think ties with his identity struggles as a rapper) or he ranted about Hoseok's "charms" before saying "My heart doesn't flutter for him! Because... my heart doesn't flutter for men [laughs]" (My guess is that his heart did flutter for Hoseok around that time). He also rubbed a towel all over Jimin's abs in the shower (he did show more or less attraction for all the members at some points, like saying Namjoon's exposed chest was erotic, and I could do an entire post of him checking them out). My take is that he thought that he was bisexual but in 2016, he started being unforgiving with any girl question, stopped openly flirting with female fans, so I think that he realized that he was actually gay and it might have a play in his anxiety.

He wrote fanfics about a male singer and a male athlete he used to follow (whether together or separately that's a specific type of fanboying over men that is rare to see in straight guys)

He got his facial hair removed with laser (again rare to see in straight guys, other guys from BTS and most idols all have their facial hair intact, from what I've seen, and sometimes even let it grow after military, so it's not a kpop thing)

His story with Zhoumi was intriguing (Zhoumi said in a chinese interview that Yoongi regularly showed up at night in his home, waking him up, and when they asked "how?" he said that Yoongi had his home password, they asked "to do what" and he said "drink coffee". Like coffee? In the middle of the night? They had a 7-years age difference and had known for a few months in 2014, but still used banmal between them. When Yoongi described his ideal male type quoted above, Zhoumi said "I'm disappointed. I thought he would say me because we're close." Zhoumi used to attend BTS concerts but in 2016, they suddenly stopped mentioning each other altogether.)

His story about his male friend in Spring Day and Dear My Friend, although I think that one might really be about just a friend, it's possible that Yoongi didn't see him as such ("I hate you and as I say these words I miss you even more" seem a bit intense for just a friend, especially dedicating him 2 songs about longing).

What would you do in the Little Mermaid's place ? "I'll choose to keep my legs. Half-fish, half-human? We can still learn sign language. The Prince will understand if he loves me that much, but without legs... [laughs] it won't be easy..." Like he went full-on introspection and I have a small hunch of what wouldn't be so easy to do with the Prince without legs... Other guys didn't get so personal or detailed for the same question, didn't imagine themselves with the Prince like this. (Jimin came the closest to, but kept it short and vague)

This is without mentioning stuff that is actually debatable like being close friends with Heechul (who I still think is gay) or asking for Daniel's number on their first meeting. Also very debatable, but I wonder if Seo Taiji and him didn't flirt a bit during rehearsal for the 25th anniversary concert thing (it's just a thing I wondered after seeing videos from Seo Taiji's side but nothing much).

Yoongi is straight-forward and not a man of many words. He always says meaningful things about studying, having a dream, anxiety, but when he says stuff like that, he didn't mean it? I mean put 2 and 2, he might be just good at dropping those things without caring and it flies over most people's heads. But in a gay thread, I didn't expect it to get over ours. 

He's one of the idols with the most receipts that doesn't involve shipping or kinky stuff.

 

Wow, that's a good summary of Yoongi's doings throughout the years) Tbh imo ppl disagreeing with smth here is totally ok, cause that's what's the forum is about: a discussion of different points of view. I think I've seen someone disagreeing about some recept of any member tbh. When it's combined like this it's hard to say no tho lol

But I have to say that I wouldn't give much credit to laser removal of facial hair. Cause even in the west different cosmetic procedures are actually quite common among men nowadays, as one make-up artist said "for man it's easier to make a thing done once than to give a lot of time to skin care routine", so what to tell about idol world where they have to shave all the time to look pretty. Plus Yoongi said that he had a lot of hair, mayhaps it was just really tiring for him to shave often. Btw, among BTS at least Hoseok did it recently as well.

Also funny but I remember I found smth sus about Seo Taiji interactions with BTS back then, I couldn't really pinpoint it so I decided to just focus on him being married and moved on lol Thought I was an only one)

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I actually wanted to give my few cents about the iconic Yoongi's line. I initially was in the camp of those who understood this line as an usual intimidating tool of "badass" rapper. I kinda changed my opinion only when I found out about the male moan in his verse and it's not really about the fact that the moan exists in the song but more about the way it's put in the song. Honestly speaking I didn't even notice its existence till this no homo compilation of Hoseok moaning in performances lmao

In actual song the moan is done more like a subtle sigh and this subtlety is what I find interesting. Cause Hoseok put whole set of female moans loud and clear in his verse, there is, btw, also clear female moan in the very end of Yoongi's verse as well, but for some reason Yoongi decided to put male moan in the way it would be hardly noticeable and thus not really necessary but yet Yoongi still did it. So yeah, although, of course, nobody besides Yoongi knows what exact meaning he put here, imo he wanted to emphasize sexual aspect of the line (and sexual aspect exactly with a man) but couldn't do it openly or didn't want to do it openly for some reason. Just imho of course.

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1 hour ago, joonsoulie said:

Speaking of Hybe 'family,' I'm starting to reconsider some things...

When I was first introduced to them I thought Tae was bi, maybe gay, but after seeing how many people thought he was gay and he stopped mentioning women I shifted to exclusively into men. Now I'm wondering if there may be some lingering attraction to women after all. Not based on Tae's reaction necessarily - a man smiling at and joking with a woman doesn't mean he's attracted to her - but the reaction of the others are what's suspicious; it definitely seems like they gave him a ribbing after this interview.

(For clarification I have NOT seen the full interview so this very well may be taken out of context)

Tbh I think members reaction is exactly cause of what Tae said: his teacher scolded him a lot. I mean, members know Tae and how he and company's teachers thinks about his singing abilities and I personally think that opinion isn't or wasn't very high probably, cause we all know how not-typical his voice for kpop where everyone and their moms value those high pitched screams. Also if I ain't wrong he said, along with rapline, that songs are difficult to sing cause of how high they're so mayhaps he had some problems while recording as well. And that's why members kinda mocked him here imo, cause it's funny to hear someone (who is not a fan of course) praising voice and singing abilities so highly when behinds are probably no easy-going or Tae's own opinion about it being not so high.

1 hour ago, plutto said:

In my 6 years of being a fan, this is the first time I've seen this video

 

I remember that interview, I am pretty sure it's the one where Joon said how they had some "problem" cause of tight pants) I don't remember this part tho, but Yoongi isn't even surprising anymore lol

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36 minutes ago, Pink_moonlight said:

Of course it's may be bussines move too (althrough Namjoon earlier sold his old apartment). But for example if you look on Taehyung and Hoseok photos and photos of apartment they bought (that was reported in news too) - it's a same apartment.

Wait. What? Hoseok and Tae also bought new apartment? I haven't heard of it (the last apartment of Hobi I knew about was the one on the same floor with which Kook also bought his one). Also what photos are you talking about? Can you give a link?

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18 minutes ago, Pink_moonlight said:

no-no, it's not new. i'm talk about theirs old apartments (trimage for hoseok, apelbaum for taehyung)

about photos, for example this photo of taehyung, i believe it's his apartment in apelbaum

 

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and this photo of hoseok, it's trimage i think

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But i obviously don't know about that on 100%

Ok, I got it, they didn't buy new apartments

But now I am confused about "if you look on Taehyung and Hoseok photos and photos of apartment - it's a same apartment" (I am sorry it's almost midnight and my brain can't function properly lol). Do you think that these pic you post as examples are made in same apartment?

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1 hour ago, Josaline said:

Hoseok never pings me, to be honest. I think he is one of the members whose conversations about his girlfriend are the most sincere and convincing. Recently, he started talking about wanting to find someone who loves him and settle down. BTS members always do fanservice at fansigns but I've never seen someone like Hoseok giving a indirect kiss like that. I mean fans are celebrating that Tae looked at a beautiful girl dancing wildly, but no one notices when Hoseok does something like that lol

 

I think Hoseok has some antics which can ping some ppl, but the thing about Hoseok is that his attraction towards women is just way too obvious, has always been. He can be bi or bi-curious, of course, but gay? Nah.

But the thing about him wanting to settle down is misinterpretation: in the context of what he was talking about he said smth along the lines "it's nice to be loved by someone (fans), even love of one person is already special". I don't remember the exact translation and I am lazy to look for it or to rewatch vlive, but it was smth like this. Tbh Idk what is it about Hoseok's lives that ppl always misinterpret them, the mess which his latest vlive caused I don't even want to remember

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2 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

I dont know,  the last few times he is talking about being loved by someone, he is sounded lonely as hell. If I had friend who talked like that I would have texted that person (  hey you good) 

And it is okay indeed to share those thoughts as we all have them, but I kinda got the feeling he was talking more about relationships. The man is 27. 

And yeah i saw those post when he was dancing. That is the problem I guess of having a persona dictating your life. They should show more of themselves so that those fans see who they really are. 

Idk, when I watched his vlive what I've described is exactly what I felt. He didn't sound lonely for me, he was just calm and relaxed not in that bubbly role he plays for a group, that's how he is when he is only by himself so there wasn't anything too sad or unusual about him, just normal chatting with fans. He can be lonely of course, after all he has a lot of pressure and responsibilities, his life is hella stressful and not really the best environment to build relationships in ease, I just didn't feel anything like this in that particular vlive.

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Kinda off topic already, so under spoiler. What post about him dancing? I am talking about fans seeing him in not bubbly mode saying "I'm not okay" (he actually just read a comment after dancing) and reading too much into it to the point of sending his video to some person on youtube to diagnose if he is in depression tiktok's also a mess but those fans are another type of breed anyway It's not about having consequences of persona dictating your life, Hoseok is actually opening up more and more lately and such calm vlives are the best indication of it, it's about fans not having common sense and reading way too much into his random words. And yes, I think it's a similar situation with the above.

1 hour ago, Josaline said:

If it was a mistranslation, I think Karmy would have corrected it, but their reaction too was that Hobi wanted to find a girlfriend. As the eldest child and only son of the family, I think his family has expectations of him as well, and he seems quite traditional compared to the other members. I'd be quite surprised if he wasn't one of the members who got married after their second contract expired.

I haven't seen korean fans talking about this, I've only seen international fans spreading this. He is not the eldest, his sister is older than him. Tbh every korean family have expectations of their children. I agree that he seems like the most traditional among them all as well as Jin. I wouldn't be surprised about anything about any member tbh, we know way too little about the status of their personal life so anyone can be in relationships right now and get married as soon as army service ends, for example.

Anyway, it's getting too off topic, so I'll try to stop here

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5 hours ago, joonsoulie said:

This is just speculation so under the cut

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I said a while ago when I first got into BTS that if any of them would come out, it would be Namjoon for several reasons: 1. He's far from the most popular member and his fans seem to be older and wiser (and less possessive) than the maknaes, so there would be significantly less backlash from solo fans, 2. I at least think he is bisexual, so the idea of him still being attracted to women may make it more palatable, and 3. he definitely takes pride in being forward-thinking and on some level would enjoy being on the front lines of celebrity queer visibility in Korea. 

As I thought more about I decided that no, this was unlikely to happen, and I still predominantly feel that way. But I've begun thinking about him posting pictures of that guy (he posted another just yesterday). Is it possible that he's subtly trying to show us something? Armys have been attempting to defend his privacy and saying that we're prying into his personal life by wondering who he is, but Namjoon posted those pictures of a seemingly random guy to his 38 million followers and has continued to do so despite viral tweets about him having a boyfriend. He wants us to see them and see images of him happy and spending time with this person. Of course it could be a close friend, but as I've railed against before the predominant image of him is that he's married to a woman with children with no real basis aside from that being what's expected of him.

Anyway, the reason I'm bringing this up is that even on western twitter, a much more liberal space than the Korean general public, there are scores of fans who feel it necessary to defend their idols from accusations of homosexuality. And even those armys who joke about this guy being Namjoon's boyfriend are sure to clarify that it's all a joke - no one ACTUALLY believes that. If even the most liberal spaces of their fandom have this kind of reaction to the mere suggestion that he or any of the boys could be queer, I can't imagine how bad it would be elsewhere.

 

 

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I've always thought that if there is a non-straight member in BTS then he might possible make a coming out only after disbandment or at least after their hype slowing down and them moving more towards some solo stuff or if, for example, member move to other country to continue the career there so it's not that dependable on SK's society but that option, of course, even less possible. And, yeah, fandom have never seem so much accepting to me tbh.

About Namjoon and whole boyfriend thing. I just found out that apparently on k-platforms there is a rumor about him dating a model, some said that these rumors have been there since last year, a video about rumor said it blew up this June, rumor basically typical for such things: she was subscribed to his fanpage on insta, he posted a pic with umbrella of a brand she is a model to, u know, just typical stuff. But your post right now got me thinking: what if all that popular 'Namjoon and his boyfriend' thing was passed from i-side to k-side and k-fans fabricated this rumor to keep Joon's straight image or maybe he knows about rumors (maybe even indeed dating that model) and posts these pics with a man as a way of showing that his partner in walks is not women to calm down fans (or to protect his gf). Like I said just my speculation at 1 am lol, cause I just read about that rumor and came here and saw your post. I mean, we all know how protective fans are and how they indeed can fabricate things the same way antis do but for different purpose. Also k-side is so allergic to anything which too strong implies that a member is not straight (maybe the situation is even that Joon is indeed not straight and that man is his actual partner and some fans are aware about it so they try to protect their idol), let's just remember a whole tantrum about Jimin and his excessive fanservice, I am also pretty much convinced that k-fans were the ones who reported a very good made video, very convincing in gay innuendos and getting quite a buzz about Jimin and that black journalist from US, cause I remember whole comment section being filled with 'I am korean fan, been to fansigns and I know he loves women, I just see it in his eyes' and then that video just disappeared, at least I couldn't find that particular one anymore. So yeah, I wonder what a smoke and what is a fire in this situation or mayhaps it's all just a coincidence, of course, since I guess members do get rumors anyway all the time.

 

 

[KiriL]

8 hours ago, HigeJ said:

5. Gay aesthetic in South Korea is quite interesting. I've been there and I'd say that a good portion are quite muscular, and a huge number are in the military. The gracile feminine boys are seemingly in the minority, probably because it sucks being gay or being thought of as gay in SoK. Also, lots of tops.

Whenever I see ppl talking from a personal experience about gay aesthetics in SK here it's mostly about how muscular they love to be there (and I always  see images of Jungkook from BTS, Jongkook from Running Man and Wonho in my head while reading that lol). It's really interesting cause in majority when discussion goes about lgbt male idols mostly the sus ones for ppl are exactly the feminine gracile ones. But it's probably never a black & white situation anyway and the truth is somewhere in the middle when it comes to idols.

1 hour ago, HigeJ said:

https://instagram.com/kinky.coming?utm_medium=copy_link

https://instagram.com/blackqworld?utm_medium=copy_link

Drag queen and personality:

https://instagram.com/nana_youngrongkim?utm_medium=copy_link

https://instagram.com/ari_dongminkim?utm_medium=copy_link

Musical performer and actor:

https://instagram.com/hoyhoyoung?utm_medium=copy_link

All of them:

https://instagram.com/comingout.kr?utm_medium=copy_link

Enjoy sleuthing.

The first link opened out of curiosity and I already see Jo Kwon))))

 

[KiriL]

On 1/14/2022 at 7:10 PM, miwa201 said:

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Putting this into a spoiler bc it's not relevant to the thread. But I've seen someone on knetizen bring up Big Bang in terms of how they have male fans and it's true that in terms of digital strength and overall popularity they were the closest thing to what BTS is now yet I don't seem to recall them doing this kind of fan service? Yeah they did have those drama parodies but they were never taken seriously so it didn't come off as fan service. G-Dragon is their most popular member yet he's been in a million dating scandals and his popularity/reputation is untouched. I wonder why Big Hit/the members themselves still feel the need to do fan service when they're so popular.

 

Want to say some thoughts about spoiler in spoiler.

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Imo the reason is marketing. I don't know much about Bigbang, but from what I've seen they've never been marketed as typical flower-boy idols and toy-boyfriends for fangirls, haven't seen all their MVs but I am aware that they have had tons of girls parading there as well as love storylines with those girls, even some sex innuendos, which make them look more like western boy group than idol group and kinda 'allows' them to play under different rules comparing to typical idols. Also male fans and the group being gp darling and not relying on fanbase is the reason why they didn't need fanservice much too, especially gay one, cause boyfriend fanservise is obviously for girls and girls are also the main consumers of 'yaoi' content be it for fetishising/kink reasons, or to see themselves in couple on a place of one of boys who play 'female' role, or to think that their idol is 'occupied', or for whatever else reason. So yeah, this is why. And this is why Bangtan have been doing it, cause in this regard they are definitely very typically marketed idols. Although I also don't really understand why bighit and BTS feel the need to still do it so blatantly (like that story, be it truthful or not, of Jimin biting Kook made me raise both of my eyebrows, like, why not to just cover it with make up?...)

 

On 1/15/2022 at 3:01 PM, miwa201 said:

Apparently it took a year for them to be convinced to do this webtoon thing. Ultimately I think they see it as yet another thing in the way of making music. RM mentioned once that they barely have time to work on music because of all the non music stuff they have to do. But at the same time I'm sure they're being paid well.

I brought up their mixtapes because I feel like that's where they have the most freedom. Although I do think Big Hit is more lenient with hyung line compared to maknae line and coincidentally enough we've been hearing about V and Jungkook's mixtapes for years and they're nowhere to be seen.

under a spolier too

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I just want to say that the thing with mixtapes is that they are totally dependable on members' themselves, it's not the same as when in-house bighit musicmakers + musicmakers all over the world + rapline working on a song for group's album so there is help and inputs from every side 24/7. When it comes to solo work from scratch (at least in current unpromoted form) the member himself decides themes, genres, concepts, lyrics, music, beats, etc - that's hella lot of work. And to make a whole cohesive album is even more job than to do just 1 song. Yes, we still see in credits other people too, but the member is in the lead of everything anyway. And none of vocal line is even slightly at rapline's level of skills, capability and expertise in music-making and writing lyrics. The three has been constantly and successfully doing it since pre-debut, so, of course, even considering that the three are already the busiest among members with groups' music so are constantly involved in that process too (and for Hoseok on top of that all those things he's busy with and helping to when it comes to stage, dance and performances), they are still capable to do their solo projects faster. I think, bighit has a say about 'quality' of product or image (like, how they didn't allow Tae to release that gay song with Jimin), but still look at Jin releasing his fish song even tho someone in company (I think it's their choreographer, but I don't remember for sure) said that it doesn't look like a content suitable for worldwide star. Other than that everything is on members, so when they will have smth to release they will do it (just look at Tae's osts).

 

On 1/15/2022 at 3:45 PM, succcjin said:

I don't think this webtoon means much at all. I know some Armys gonna disagree with me, but I feel like BTS hasn't had much say in their activities or music in the past 2 years, excluding mixtapes ofc. 

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I know people change and grow up and I don't expect BTS to only release some angsty-agressive rap tracks now, but sorry...I really don't think PTD is the kind of music that Joon or Yoongi would like to release form the bottom of their heart. Sure, they might also want that Grammy, but I def think someone at Hybe is pushing them to release stuff like this because they just want commercial success.

 But I guess they are getting paid well and Hybe does a pretty good job with keeping their lives private, so they just go along with it. So for them this is probably just another annoying project  they have to do while they wait for their next tour.

Also under spoiler lol

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You can't even imagine how much I agree with it! Please, Hoseok wasn't even active on sns while they were promoting PTD Like, I think he posted only once smth related to this shitty song To be completely honest it looked like the only group related schedules (aside from concerts, obviously) last year that got him actually really excited were Louis Vuitton collab and 3j performance with which he came up by himself. Honestly idk what's happening anymore with that company and their attitude towards BTS' career and music.. Has covid really changed things so much? Or is it the consequences of them going public? Or the undecided status of military thing? Anyway, I just hope that the fact that ptd flopped so hard internationally (thank's god) while My Universe did so well everywhere and became a stable gp darling will bring some braincells to that company.

 

I actually came to post this (but got stuck on checking recent pages lol)

 

'Invite someone to eat ramen' is, from my knowledge, quite common line to invite for sex in SK. In my opinion not only Jimin giggling cause he indeed got this association, but also Jungkook telling it exactly with this innuendo in mind. So what do you think it means in terms of members' sexualities? Does it mean that Kook said it cause he knows for a fact that Jin actually can invite a dude for sex? Or has Jimin laughed cause he found it funny how truthful this phrase is in terms of Jin? (If I am not mistaken Jimin also made some fake fanfic/news page/couple page about Namjin as a joke long time ago) Or did he find it funny cause of how truthful it is about Kook while he's saying it about Jin? Or does it tell smth about Kook (or Jimin) himself rather than Jin, cause it's Kook (or Jimin) who thinks 'invite for sex' line can be applied towards men? What do you think? I don't really think it's some very serious receipt, but I think it's interesting to discuss. I personally lean more to the thought that it tells smth about Jin rather than Kook.

 

[KiriL]

10 hours ago, lgbtxt said:

or they’re just dudes making a sex joke lol. with your logic that it implies something about Jin, don’t you think it’s rude of them to make that joke publicly if they know he’s really mlm?

Yeah, you might be right too, like I said it's nothing serious actually. Well, it might be rude or might be not rude, cause that's just your perception while we have no idea about their actual relationship besides what is shown on camera where they should be professional, so maybe such things, such lil 'outings', are ok between them even on cam (especially cause they know for a fact that fans would write it off as a joke anyway, just like you did right here) or, just as an example of opposite theory, Kook might have some tendency of being kinda rude towards Jin so he doesn't see anything rude in such lil slip/remark anyway (we can go even farther to another opposite and very dark theory, where Kook is a homophobe and he intentionally being rude towards Jin exactly cause he knows he's mlm). You know, as it usually is for every situation there are a lot of possibilities actually. I haven't found anything rude about it before you brought it up, cause regardless of my wish to discuss it from sexuality point of view I personally read it as a lighthearted harmless joke anyway.

9 hours ago, succcjin said:

Lol tbh I noticed Jimin is very giggly about these kind of moments anyway.  For example he was also awkwardly laughing in one recent american interview where Vmin was asked about their "love connection" to Lizzo (this was obviously just lighthearted fun) and Jimin was just kinda laughing about the situation. I think its more of a personality trait than a sexuality thing. FWIW, some of my ace friends make the dirtiest jokes and are the first to laugh at them. So I don't think that joke or laughter was directed at anyone. If anything, the its kinda funny how JK just said that in such a casual and unbothered voice, just minding his business. I just feel like he laughed at the interaction as a whole and its not rlly a hint towards Jins or JKs sexuality.

Yeah, I noticed that about Jimin too, he really enjoys such things) Agree Kook was so casual and nonchalant about it, but probably it should be expected from 'what's tasty in Busan' guy lol Perhaps it was indeed just a joke, although it's still an interesting one imo. In terms of this discussion the ace example is interesting btw, there are probably could be very good physiological discussions about the matter, like what sex jokes ppl make or don't make depending on their sexual orientation, wishes, preferences and fulfillment of their sexual life.

9 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

I want to clear one thing up, out of the three rappers, only Hoseok didn't write lyrics or produce prior to their debut. He was just a dancer. Also, to be honest, I think he's the weakest of the three rappers in terms of songwriting.

Gonna clear this thing up, but under spoiler cause definitely ot

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???? Hoseok was a famous underground dancer, yes, but when he was signed to bighit (literally around the same time as Namgi) he was supposed to be a rapper from the d1, cause at first bighit wanted to have a hip-hop group from underground rappers so he with Namgi were training for this, he legit has been freestyling with ug rappers to practice))) And he has been writing since pre-debut, Pdogg literally said that Hoseok's (along with Namgi) pre-debut melodies and songs are the only one pre-debut stuff he has saved on his PC. Hoseok even got registration in KOMCA the first out of all members and got his first credit long before debut (feature with JoKwon says hi), the first out of members as well. Hoseok literally has just lil less credits than Yoongi, btw, for few years before D-2 was dropped he actually got more than Yoongi, so I really don't know what you are talking about here.. 'Weakest' You do realize that actually out of 3 Hoseok is the most bold, unique and experimenting one in terms of genres, styles, beats and composition?... His music is hella multilayered. DJ even compared him to winners of DJ competitions where they should cohesively mix 3 genres in 1 song cause Hoseok mixed 4 (in P.O.P pt1). Hoseok is the one capable of writing the most catchiest yet gp friendly melodies and bars, there is a reason why his verses always go viral and are the most memorable ones in every song. He is nowhere near the 'weakest' he is very much on par with other 2 lmao

 

[KiriL]

17 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

I get that you're Hoseok's solo stan but come on... Whoever thinks Hoseok is on the same level as Suga/RM when it comes to songwriting and rapping skills is a delusional.

Since you're talking ot without using spoiler, I guess I can do it once too. Idk why Hoseok's excellence as a musician and him being on par with Namgi is bothering you so much that you keep on quoting me with some 'trust me dude' arguments. So to end this totally off topic pointless discussion in this thread let me remind that I mentioned rapline's expertise in musicmaking just as an explanation to another user about mixtapes, bighit's involvement in them and why it takes so long for vocal line to make them, so let me bring us all to the starting point: no matter on what you personally think about Hoseok's skills none of vocal line is even slightly on his or other rapline members' level of skills so that's why it takes them so long but unless the content the 4 are making has some 'not appropriate for image' thing (like Tae's gay song) bighit won't interfere or cut them off.

Sorry to the thread readers, I really didn't mean fir my explanation about mixtapes to go into this.

[KiriL]

15 minutes ago, joonsoulie said:

This is total speculation but I hope that's not why he deleted this post

 

I just wanted to post about it. I was wondering if the reason why he deleted was due to country politics (cause movie is from Hong Kong) or due to actor being an lgbt, but right after deleting this Tae posted his fave photo of a naked man, so I maybe it's as an answer as it could be

He really deletes a lot, I don't keep a track on such posts tbh, but now I wonder if there are some similarities in such deleted posts.

Also I guess Tae really was impressed by this actor (either by acting or by personality and openmindness or by both), cause he loves to do this dance a lot

 

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