Which male idols do you think are gay?

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10 hours ago, ranmot said:

Hey Carats ! What are your opinions on each member of Seventeen?

Gay: Seungkwan, Jun

Bi: Hoshi, Coups

Bi OR just straight and an ally: Vernon, Minghao

Straight: Jeonghan, Wonwoo, Woozi, DK, Dino

Most likely straight but I find them confusing: Joshua, Mingyu

Actually I have time so I'll put my full thoughts under the spoiler lol

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Coups: I agree that purely going off vibes he's pretty hard to read + I don't think I've actually seen him show attraction to a man - still, at the moment I believe he's bi due to various receipts (wearing that rainbow flag jacket multiple times accompanied with a Balenciaga Pride shirt, GOSE TTT 2019 where he changed his own lyrics from "my baby girl" to "my baby boy", saying he wants to be in Slytherin because Draco Malfoy is cute). At the very least, he's definitely an ally. 

Jeonghan: I never thought he was gay - he's clearly attracted to women and most likely dated Sowon from Gfriend for a while (cue infamous moment where Minghao and Joshua turned to smirk at him at an awards show when Gfriend won an award). I also don't believe he's bi as I've never seen him show attraction to a man but unlike Coups, there's nothing else to back any alleged bisexuality up. I think that a lot of the "Jeonghan is gay" discussion stems from him having long hair and being seen as the "mother" of the group at their debut. I believe he's aware of the effect he can have on men but doesn't reciprocate any attraction.

Joshua: Honestly one of the more confusing male idols I've stanned when it comes to this kind of discussion. I lean towards straight - I know people cite his English voice a lot but I think it could just be a typical LA accent or maybe he picked some mannerisms up from some gay friends lol. I definitely think he's probably the most private SVT member so I wouldn't at all be surprised if he had some secret boyfriend somewhere, but at the moment I think he's straight.

Jun: Where do I start...I honestly think Jun is one of the gayest idols currently active right now. Something which I find really interesting is how Vernon is widely known by Carats to be a LGBT ally but I don't see the same kind of discussion around Jun, despite Jun's instances of allyship arguably being in a more "dangerous" context than Vernon's (in Chinese/through Weibo rather than in English). I'm just gonna assume that because most of his allyship is done when he's in China, Carats are less likely to see it unless they actively follow Jun stans. But anyway, for allyship there's: 

• Going to see Taiwanese actor Aaron Yan a couple of days after he was outed as gay, with Aaron Yan signing an album for him with the message of "Dear Wen Junhui, dear monster: shine your own light bravely, love your uniqueness. LOVE WINS". Jun would then post this message on Weibo along with a picture of him and Aaron
• Said he was a fan of + wants to collab with openly gay Taiwanese singer Hush in 2018 - in 2020, Jun shared his Spotify playlist and there was a Hush song on there so he's still a fan
• Was given a few songs to choose from for his official Chinese solo debut and he chose Crow, a song written and produced by a Malaysian-Chinese gay couple. The song itself is about people being shunned and isolated due to society's prejudices, and it asks people to not judge based on appearances or preconceived notions. Jun would post a link to the song on Weibo, along with "I hope everyone can be brave and break through the shackles of preconceptions". In an interview, he would say "As long as you take off your tinted lenses, to properly understand somebody no matter what type of person they are, they will all have a unique beauty inside of them. Don't mind what people around you think. You are the most special, irreplaceable existence in the world so accept your own type of uniqueness"

For other general receipts I can think of:

• When he was filming that vampire drama + said "I don't love you, I only love [male actor]" to the female lead and he feels up the chest of said male actor
• When someone at a fansign asked him something like what's his ideal girlfriend and he said "what's a girlfriend? A type of food?"
• That time he went on a spiel about what an amazing boyfriend Wonho would be
• General flirting he does with men/testing out pick-up lines on Minghao/whatever was going on with Mingming
• Perhaps what people find the most important was his relationship with Pentagon's Yanan on CYZJ - sooo many moments which I think added up to something: the flirting when they first became partners (Yanan: Are you confessing to me? / Jun: Yes, confessing to you right now [...] Jun: Didn't I tell you I've always wanted to see what you'll look like when you become a wild boy? / Yanan: How wild do you want?), the joke about Yanan cheating on Jiacheng with Jun, how much they clearly cared for each other, the other contestants making jokes about it (Jun to Zhennan: I have you in my heart / Zhennan: What about Yanan? / Jun: *looks flustered and hits him* + Minghao's "did you guys come here thinking this was a dating show? The both of you are so cringey") - I don't think their relationship ever progressed past friendship but I do think about what might have happened in another life lol
• (If we're gonna be really delusional, we can say the sweet potato jokes the other members make around Jun are alluding to his sexuality)

Didn't mean to write so much but yeah, Jun is firmly in the gay column for me (although bisexuality is also an option, even though I can't recall much of how he acts around women (except in CYZJ but I'm not sure how much that can be chalked down to general social anxiety/being unfamiliar with women)).

Hoshi: I used to think he was straight but I think so many things add up to him being bi. Apart from just general vibes, I think there's a lot of stuff to talk about when you start looking into him but he just doesn't have that One Big Receipt TM which might be why some people overlook him. I feel like we can confidently say he's an ally (the infamous gay chicken rights video, preordering multiple Pride jackets/hoodies which he made sure he was first photographed wearing during Pride month), performances influenced by gay culture and just general gay shenanigans (contacting a vogueing expert to help with the Touch choreo, the choreo with the male backup dancers in Spider), and there are instances of him being attracted to men (checking out Jun in that SVT School series, saying he wanted to run a bakery because the owner was really handsome + mentioning him again in an interview months later, got really flustered when Jeonghan flirted with him). Some K-carats also make jokes about him "liking it up the ass" lol so...do with that what you will. In general, I just get the feeling he'd be down to be with either men or women.

Wonwoo: Don't even know what to say about him because to me he's just so overwhelmingly straight I don't consider anything else? Pretty sure he's an ally at least (read Call Me By Your Name and even bought a peach-themed phonecase afterwards...) but I've never once seen him do anything remotely gay. I remember there was that rumour about him having the same girlfriend since he was 14 which is a very Wonwoo thing to do, so I choose to believe it. But I did appreciate how he (and Mingyu) refused to say what the Bittersweet MV actually was about + just kept reiterating that it's up to the viewer's interpretation.

Woozi: Former ignorant homophobe but I like to think he's come around to the idea (or I would hope so, seeing as the majority of SVT seem to be at least allies). I still think he's obviously straight.

DK: Apart from that time he said he couldn't look at Jaehyun without his heart pounding because he was too handsome, I haven't seen anything else from him that made me raise an eyebrow. I think he plays up his idol persona a bit - and part of that is acting very flamboyantly - which might give people pause. He seems like a sweet guy but I'm pretty sure he's straight.

Mingyu: Another enigma...I learn towards him being straight but bisexuality is also an option (really don't think he's gay). What's interesting about Mingyu is I remember that he, Jun, and Seungkwan used to be touted as the "gay trio" on this thread but over the years people have grown less sure of him. He was the one who came up with the idea of Bongbong being genderless and saying it can be loved by both men and women, but I'm not sure how much that indicates. What I do find interesting is how he's very artsy along with Vernon and Minghao, and the three of them are obviously very close and go out together a lot, but of course straight guys can be artsy too. 

Minghao: He's my bias so I admit I could be, well, biased but I just can't fully write him off as straight yet. Although he hasn't actually said anything outright, I do believe he's an ally (that Weverse art of all the people kissing which he captioned with a bunch of gay couple + family emojis with one heterosexual family emoji at the end, seeing Hedwig and the Angry Inch with Vernon, the Burberry Pride shirt, his smile during Vernon's answer about supporting LGBT Carats). I know people bring up the "girl or boy?" ideal type thing a lot, but I'm kinda inclined to believe that as a 19-year-old Chinese guy living in Korea he didn't mean it as some kind of grand bisexual coming out and his Korean wasn't just good enough then to explain what he meant...but maybe that's what he was hoping people would think so who knows! Apart from that, I've noticed he never uses gendered language in Chinese interviews when talking about his future partner (harder to do in Chinese than Korean, I think) aaand maybe this is just me being delulu but I've also noticed that he loves kids but never brings up wanting them? He always just says "oh I want to live on the beach with my partner and our dog"...but maybe that's a reach. When it comes to being attracted to men, I'm also gonna reach here and say that when he was a mentor on QCYN there was a weird moment where he asked one of the trainees to repeat his part because he looked so cool/handsome, and Minghao looked kinda embarrassed saying it. And then Minghao went into the performance himself and that trainee smiled at him and it looked like Minghao's ears went red. Plus there's that whole thing about him hating Y/N fanservice...so I think I'm leaning towards bi but I'm not really sure.

Seungkwan: Used to think he was gay, then I had a very brief period of being like "well maybe it's just all stereotypes and he's actually straight", then I did some digging and was like "never mind he's gay". Apart from all the stereotypical mannerisms and being a fan of gay icons such as Beyonce and Uhm Junghwa (who he called "queen" in English), he has shown attraction to men (not being able to look Kai in the face when handing him a water bottle on Amazing Saturday + covering his face on a different show when Kai started doing a sexy dance, arguably Vernon - don't want to go too much into shipping territory but honestly there used to be a loooot of weird moments between them which other members even picked up on). There is also a video where the members are asked which member they would introduce their younger sisters to, and Wonwoo says "Seungkwan!", Seungkwan says "Don't you have a younger brother?", and then a few of the other members get weird looks on their faces. Another thing I find important is his ease around women - I mentioned this before but he reminds me of Key in this regard, even female idols are so comfortable around Seungkwan because they know they don't have to worry about any dating rumours. 

Vernon: Clearly an ally and makes sure people are aware of it - a lot of the music he listens to, as well as movies and TV shows (Sense8, Moonlight, Cloud Atlas), are linked to LGBT culture. I think bringing up the "RIP SOPHIE" tweet here is important as I honestly found that out-of-character for Vernon - he doesn't use their group Twitter much and it's unusual for idols to make "RIP [celebrity]" statements anyway, so I think him doing that means he wanted to send a message. He also owns clothes from multiple Pride collections, and of course the famous equal rights moment. The lyrics to Rocket (and the lyrics to the English version being even gayer) are also pretty important, especially paired with when that fan noticed there were no female pronouns in the lyrics and Vernon said "thank you for realising it" (implying he did it on purpose). My personal opinion is that Vernon is bi but it's very believable that he's also just a straight ally.

Dino: Love him but he is possibly the straightest male idol ever...I have not seen a single thing which indicates any possible attraction to men. 

 

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On 10/29/2021 at 5:38 PM, ranmot said:

Minghao is my bias too but I wanna know what you meant by '...but maybe that's what he was hoping people would think so who knows!' If you mean he hoped people would think he's bi then that would be really sh**ty of him to intentionally mislead people and convince them to believe he is the B in the Alphabet mafia when he might not be. I doubt that's what Minghao was going for. I agree that he most likely didn't mean to make that moment his coming out but I disagree with the point that his Korean wasn't so good to explain what he meant. I don't believe that it was any misunderstanding. It was basic Korean vocabulary and pretty clear what he meant by that by asking specifically 'boy or girl?' and when Jeonghan asked Minghao if he liked a type of boy and the nervous laughter and the way he quickly faces the camera/staff that followed after...I think that was obvious

No, I meant that it's a possibility that he thought he could use that opportunity to come out as bisexual because he knew people would think like, "well if he was actually bi then he never would have said that because he wouldn't out himself like that!". It's the same logic which allows many idols to hide in plain sight with various statements made about liking the same sex or whatnot, because fans believe that if these people were actually gay they would never say those things as it's too dangerous for them, which allows the idols to get away with it.