Which male idols do you think are gay?

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Another update on Chanyeol and Mackenyu!

Mackenyu started following both Suho and Kai on Instagram now 

I think EXO's concert in Yokohama was a few hours away from starting at the time he followed them, so he could have met the both of them before the concert at soundcheck or something and then gone to watch them live.

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Not to push my Chanyeol/Mackenyu agenda even more but I literally can't believe that this is real life lmaoooo

The caption says "Hyungs you were all too cool/handsome, saranghaeyo, love you all"

He also posted on his IG story after the concert

He also started following Sehun and Baekhyun (he followed Kai and Suho yesterday)

 

And THEN, to top it all off, Chanyeol literally introduced him to everyone at the concert:

Chanyeol to thousands of Japanese fans today: "Hey guys, just wanted to point out that MY BOYFRIEND MACKENYU is in the vicinity today. Thanks for your time"

Also today is the day that they were being filmed for the tour DVD, meaning that this will most likely go on the DVD lmao 

Edit: He was also helping fans during the concert 

 

Edited October 23, 2019 by burntgucci

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5 hours ago, Thatoneuser said:

Who was the last on the dating list? 

I think @seashells is referring to this video, where both Xiumin and Chen list Sehun as 2nd as an EXO member they would not want to date if they were a girl (starting from around 22:30)

Chen says "This is not disliking Sehun. It is when we are the opposite sex...because it's opposite gender so my 2nd is Sehun" and then there's a brief silence while Ryeowook and Xiumin start laughing in a "whew did he really just say that" way and then Ryeowook says "because of privacy we'll skip the reason". They then list Tao as being the 3rd EXO member they wouldn't want to date, Ryeowook says they'll reveal who is 1st after they play the song but I guess he just forgot or thought better of it LOL. (Although interestingly enough Xiumin says he can only think of two members for top 2 (Sehun and Tao) whereas Chen says that he has a 3rd person in mind too...makes me curious who he was gonna say)

As well as this, I agree with moth saying that it's best to use this thread for "who is nonhet" rather than "who is gay, bi, pan etc". However, I think there are exceptions to this. The above radio show with Xiuchen saying that they wouldn't date Sehun if they were girls, along with other receipts like Kai saying Sehun can't date any girl, saying that he's used his looks to swindle people and then when the MC asked if he's swindled specifically women he said "no", Baekhyun saying that Sehun isn't interested in women, a fan asking him to write "my girlfriend" for her on a piece of paper at a fansign and he just laughed and wrote "girlfriend", Chanyeol asking if he would be with a man on We Got Married and so on, indicates to me that Sehun is exclusively into men. For me, I've seen Sehun literally have zero interest in women and the fact that at least 5 other EXO members have insinuated this as well is pretty sus, and gifs like him allegedly checking out a female model at a fashion show don't make me think that he's into women...especially as that's what you're supposed to do at fashion shows but I digress. Suho is also another one who I think is gay rather than bi because dude literally has zero chemistry with women.

Edited October 29, 2019 by burntgucci

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1 hour ago, plutto said:

Don't feed the trolls, guys.

 

 

Don't know much about him but I remember back at the days at old OH that people would discuss about Tao (?) embracing a feminine side of him

I can be wrong, so please correct me

Yeah, I think it's possible Tao is not cis. He's very open about wearing women's clothing (even though he's been laughed at by reporters for admitting this while doing interviews), plays as women in video games, and if I remember correctly he said that sometimes he wishes he was a girl. 

Speaking of Tao, has anyone seen the stuff going on between him and Zhu Zhengting? I'm very much side-eyeing them, they seem to be very close. The main thing coming to mind is that they hung out together on Chinese Valentine's Day and that whenever reporters ask Zhengting how he met Tao he always avoids the question 

 

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31 minutes ago, Catness said:

I did bother reading this whole thing!

i still find it super weird to keep guessing his sexual orientation while he is resting in his grave? What is your point? Okay? You think he was gay? Has he ever stated that? Or you just want to keep making weird assumptions on “lets all discuss jonghyun’s gayness when he was alive”

please lets just stop talking about him here becuase it not the right thing to do! And yes whether you like or not the thread is dedicated for rumors and speculations not lgbt supporters! Like there are plenty of idols who are lgbt supporters but not necessarily part of it!

i wish i can block or unsee any user posts anything about jonghyun or insisted in positing about him referring to his orientation 

IT HURTS

it really does

It is not wrong or weird to discuss whether Jonghyun was a member of the community, and saying so continues to perpetuate the very type of homophobia he was fighting against while alive. It is true that there are people who can support the LGBT community and not be a part of it, but being a celebrity in a country like South Korea and voicing your opinion on a highly controversial topic such as the LGBT community in Korea is not a risk that many are willing to take (or even allowed to take). And yet Jonghyun did exactly that years ago. Because of that he is a person I love deeply and someone I still look up to, and the fact that he was so unashamed of his beliefs continues to inspire me. 

This thread is not just a thread for "rumours and speculations". I would say it is probably the thread with the highest amount of active LGBT members in it and contrary to popular belief, it is not mostly straight people posting in here. Because of this, it became sort of its own community and we've had several enlightening discussions here. When I first heard that he passed away this thread was the first place I came and it helped me deal with my grief because I knew how much me meant (and still means) to LGBT people. I am not saying that you have to partake in discussions about Jonghyun, because I recognise that people find it crude or just don't want to talk about it, but trying to force people to stop talking about his gay moments, or how to this day he is only one of a handful of idols who have publicly stood up for the LGBT community, is frankly disrespectful.

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5 hours ago, MJr said:

There was @burntgucci's nct masterpost a while back, but I can't find it.

I think everyone has been brought up at some point lol, but most people seem to agree on ten (a given), taeyong is a frequent suspect, I think most of us think taeil is attracted to men after winil mess, junwoo is either super into fanservice or gay, doyoung gets brought up a lot too. Jaehyun too but idk about him. And also Mark, even though I personally don't see it. And I don't know much about the dreamies.

Here's the NCT masterpost. 

I most likely won't be updating it as the only boy group I really care about nowadays is EXO, but afaik no NCT member has suddenly started saying a lot of gay things since I posted it lol, so it should give you a general idea of who to look out for. Although Hendery has been pinging me more often recently.

Edited December 31, 2019 by burntgucci
oops didn't see that singularstigma already said where it can be found lol

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2 hours ago, seashells said:

Do you have an EXO master post

Yes, it's here. And here's a link to all the other masterposts I've done. Haven't updated the EXO one because I'm lazy but just know they're all gay apart from Xiumin, Lay, and Chen 

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Not entirely convinced about this couple either way (although as a ONCE I thought that Momo was a lesbian lol), but now that I've had time to think about it it doesn't necessarily strike me as surprising. I think most people posting in the thread are Americans or Western Europeans and are therefore relatively lucky with having their rights as LGBT people protected in comparison to other countries like South Korea. We can say that LGBT rights in SK are progressing (and that is true) but people also forget SK has a very different culture in terms of marriage and children. There's a strong emphasis on filial piety, providing your parents with grandchildren, getting married to a nice person of the opposite sex etc. Being an idol will only get you so far in avoiding this - Heechul is almost 40. Iirc for the past year or so he's talked about getting married/finding a girlfriend and having children in the future but correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying that him and Momo are going to get married or anything, but lavender marriages and marriages of convenience are still very much a thing in many areas of the world, even in Western countries. This reminds me of people debating about Chefsuke being married or not when like...if he's a gay Korean man in his 40s it's likely he's going to be married?

When I first started posting in this thread I believed that gay celebrities should come out and that they "owed" us something to be a pioneer or spokesperson for LGBT rights in Korea, but over time I realised that's just not possible. I'm fortunate enough to live in a country where I wouldn't be completely ostracised in my personal and professional life if I came out, but Koreans can't say that same statement with confidence, especially Korean idols where dating is still frowned upon and could cost you fans, not to mention that even expressing political views as an idol is seen as taboo. 

Like I said, I'm not saying the pair will get married anytime soon or anything but frankly I can see some other gay celebrities going down the route of getting married to women (looking at you, Suho) and that we shouldn't expect these idols to come out and maintain their career because I honestly doubt it's gonna happen anytime soon. This kind of progress takes decades, and I feel like all too often people focus too much on same-sex marriage being legalised as the ultimate "yay we have rights now everyone in this country now loves gay people!" statement but it's just not realistic. Even in Taiwan where same-sex marriage is legalised there have been protests trying to repeal it and there is still a homophobic sentiment throughout the country. It's great and should be celebrated but it's not the be-all end-all of LGBT rights.

Anyway I didn't mean to write an entire essay but basically I wouldn't be surprised if idols commonly thought to be gay start dating members of the opposite sex 

 

Edit: Also although not necessarily relevant to the thread I just wanted to add that if this IS real this completely puts Heechul in a new light for me and honestly he comes across like a massive predator lmao

Edited January 2, 2020 by burntgucci

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I find it interesting that two men who are both speculated to be gay (one moreso than the other, but still) have been such close friends for a long time. Honestly call me delulu but I wouldn't be surprised if Suho's entire friendship group were all gay

 

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32 minutes ago, LostChild said:

You mean all the kyu-line ? Changmin, Kyuhyun, Minho, Suho and CNBLUE Jonghyun ? Hmm, i don't think so. Jonghyun was linked to the Burning Sun scandal and send DMs to this sexy youtubeur so he at least isn't gay. 

No lol. My bad, I should have specified. I was referring to Yonghun, Junghoon, Donghwan, Jisoo, Heechan etc. Literally all of those dudes come across as gay to me tbh. And imo he seems to be a lot closer to them than Kyu-line, seeing as he's always going on trips abroad with at least one of them whenever he can (although that could be because of differing schedules or something).

I just find it funny that some people (not in this thread) think Suho's this incredibly het dude just because he tends to fly under the radar when you're not paying attention to him.

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Chanyeol also didn't use any pronouns at all here

 

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7 hours ago, ribbonribbon said:

Kim Jong Kook can be very masculine sometimes and I have never think of him being anything but gay. Siwon is another one. And by masculine I mean in Korean standard, that minus all the handholding hugging cuddling is normal between male friends.

In non-celeb type, so, so many guys who are into body building, heavy gym training are gay. It is just harder to discuss a masculine guy if they show no apparent interest in another male

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Anyone has actual receipt on Kyungsoo - just curious because dude is so quiet and private. His actors celeb circle - Kwangsoo, SJK, Si Hwan ... - seem to be straight though, but it may not mean anything

 

Putting everything under a spoiler as it could get kinda long:

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Although I agree that most of his actor friends don't seem to be gay, I side-eye both Jo Insung and Kim Woobin. Jo Insung and Kyungsoo are especially close (Kyungsoo once said that Jo Insung opened the door to his heart), and Woobin seems to like flirting with Kyungsoo:

 

 

I don't know what it is about Kyungsoo, but men are just drawn to him like a moth to a flame lol, he's even very popular in the military.

  

When he was younger, he was also friends with other idols thought to be not straight, like Key, Ryeowook, Amber, Jo Kwon, and Ravi from VIXX. I was actually going through this Korean translator's old tweets recently and in 2014 she tweeted about Kyungsoo mostly hanging out with "gay sunbaes".  Also relating to Ryeowook is the fact that in 2013 some Kfans even believed that Kyungsoo and Ryeowook had started dating. 

Kyungsoo has also supported LGBT media in the past, as he's seen the lesbian film The Handmaiden with Sehun, the play "Priscilla" about a drag queen (played by Jo Kwon) with Suho, and also the musical "Hedwig", which has a transgender main character. Equality is also a big thing for him, as he said either in 2017 or 2018 that if he was king of a country, the main thing he would do is make sure that everyone lived equally.

There's also this gifset, where he said it "wouldn't be so bad" if he dated Suho:

 

I also think all the stuff with his hairstylist in 2013 is VERY interesting (wrapping his arms around him and holding hands with him is especially noteworthy as Kyungsoo hated skinship during this time period):

But for me his most noteworthy receipt is actually him and Chanyeol's cover of "Nothing On You" by Bruno Mars:

At 0:19 he sings "boy I'm trying" even though the original lyric of the song is "girl I'm trying". Honestly I don't see how people can hetsplain this like...there really is no heterosexual explanation for why he sang boy instead of girl. I also can't imagine 2013 homophobic Chanyeol letting "boy I'm trying" slide in rehearsals because even though neither of them spoke English at this point, surely he would have recognised that it's a different word but I digress. It's a weird moment to me overall, and I don't know if Kyungsoo maybe wanted to have a moment of rebellion or something.

My personal opinion is that Kyungsoo is gay or bisexual and honestly I'm pretty sure of this nowadays. Him and Jongin both used to be enigmas for me but one day something just clicked for me when I thought about Kyungsoo (Jongin is still a mystery to me though lol). Honestly, I think that Kyungsoo actually was a lot more outwardly gay in the earlier years but after EXO rose to fame he became very private and it's unlikely now that we'll see any more hints towards his sexuality or who he dates (man or woman). Bearing in mind that he hates the idol life with a passion and seriously values his privacy, and has flat out said that the only reason he hasn't quit being an idol yet is because of how much he loves the EXO members (I think this was on Party People?). So nowadays I just go with my gut feeling which says that Kyungsoo isn't straight, especially looking at some of his earlier receipts.

 

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9 hours ago, lighterxx said:

I dont get why, original book itself has sex scenes, only released in Taiwan but yes, they are part of the book

Hell its no lube, and male lead is very inexperienced (Author said "i made ML so perfect so i made him bad at sex") so i was pitying main character the whole time

 

Edit: Saw why it was out of radar for longest time, Xiao Zhan fans reported site saying it taint their idol's image. Fcked up, and if Xiao Zhan did not wished to be shipped, maybe he shouldnt have accepted acting in a drama about gay af novel 

What exactly does this mean? Have we really reached the point where we blame artists for the wrongdoings of their fans?

Xiao Zhan himself is perfectly supportive of the LGBT community. In 2011 he supported his gay friend coming out to him, he posted a song by a Danish (or Swedish, I can't remember) trans singer on Weibo, and him and the rest of the main cast of The Untamed have all read the Mo Dao Zu Shi novel and know that the two main male characters eventually end up together. In fact, during an interview, he was asked "If Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji [the two main characters] liked the same girl, then what would happen?" and he smirked at the camera and said something like "I think this is very unlikely to happen" - especially noteworthy that he even hinted at their relationship like this in an interview due to the issue of LGBT censorship in all forms of Chinese media.

Blame his fans all you want, but stating that he orchestrated the takedown of AO3 himself because he doesn't like being shipped with a man is just...blatantly false. I don't even stan Xiao Zhan, I'm just a casual fan of him as I love the drama, but accusing him of homophobia is a bit of a reach.

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On 4/24/2020 at 7:04 PM, 3/4illustrator said:

My memory is failing me - Is the guy on the right Suho's rumour theatre actor bf? If yes this means they are still together good friends? I thought they parted as I haven't seen him in the picture for a long time.

 

Yes that's Donghwan, his boyfriend of the past eight and a half years. Maybe unpopular opinion (I don't know what the thread is like these days, I did a quick look and it just seems to be BTS and NCT talk lol) but I think they've been together all that time. They've been laying low for a long time but there's been a recent resurgence in their public moments.

Like today we got Suho + Donghwan hanging out with Donghwan's brother and his wife:

Donghwan captioning his post about Suho's solo album with "I love you" in English:

He also did a recent interview where he said that "an actor friend has become like me over time", I think he also said that Donghwan helped him with the lyrics to the songs on his solo album (most of which have very lovey-dovey lyrics, and Suho participated in writing for all of the songs).

Something that's also suspicious to me (and has been for a long time) is that K-fans will go out of their way to avoid mentioning Donghwan and have done so for years, like when they tweet posts about which of Suho's friends have posted pictures of his album or something, Donghwan's above past will be left out, he's been cropped out of group pictures etc.

I also think the current resurgence is due to the fact that Suho will be going to the military soon, so I almost feel like there's been so much stuff about them recently to "get it out of the way", so to speak.

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There's also rumours of a bearding right before military so we'll see if that happens lmao

 

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So Yoongi just released his second mixtape and I found the lyrics of "Dear My Friend" pretty interesting.

 And then when you add the fact that the lyrics link back to his verse in Spring Day

And he said this about Spring Day: "SUGA: "Spring Day." I wrote main lyrics based on my personal experience with old friends. It is about my sad memories with him and it makes me sentimental whenever I listen to the song."

Obviously it could actually be about just a close friend he had, but in my opinion it's something to think about.

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5 hours ago, sandwich said:

 

I wanna know what you guys think about this post?

 Baekhyun and Taeyong situation 

https://lgbt-kidols.tumblr.com/post/616477879463739392/baekyong-relationship-analysis

I think that Taeyong possibly has a crush on Baekhyun but unlike the person who made that post, I don't think it's requited at all. In my opinion Baekhyun seems to find the whole situation funny because he seems to be somewhat aware of Taeyong's feelings for him (althoug maybe only up to a certain point). He also seems to just be having fun with it (like the stuff mentioned in the post where Baekhyun was looking and smirking at Taeyong when they were doing an Instagram live together).  I don't think that Baekhyun views himself as being particularly close with Taeyong - he's much closer with Kai and Taemin and I think we saw that in the US promotions that SuperM did.

That post also left out this moment where Mark revealed that Taeyong's lockscreen for months was a picture of Baekhyun in the pool:

I don't know if I'm just reading too much into this but Taeyong looks a little nervous and immediately looks at Baekhyun to see his reaction whereas Baekhyun just finds it genuinely funny. So I don't think there's anything mutual going on between them. And FWIW I think Taeyong is gay and Baekhyun is bisexual (leaning towards women).

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21 hours ago, TataBoo said:

Well to put it shortly, it's been speculated that Suho has been in a relationship with an actor and Chanyeol has a thing going on with Mackenyu who is said to be his boyfriend from Japan.  

I suspect that Chanyeol and Mackenyu broke up a long time ago (if they ever were together, of course) as they don't even interact on Instagram anymore, let alone see each other IRL. Their last known interaction is from many months ago and I have the feeling they've both moved on. No comment on Mackenyu's potential girlfriend - it could easily be a beard as he has a lot of gay rumours in Japan but I'm not super invested either way. 

But on the bright side, Suho and Donghwan still appear to be going strong after almost 9 years together, so not all hope is lost!

 

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10 hours ago, renerene said:

Never cared for Onew or Minho much but they seem straight I guess. One thing that did give me pause recently was Minho hanging with Suho's soulmate/possible ex bf/bf(?) on Christmas? Are they also good friends? 

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Minho and Suho were incredibly close in trainee days and still friends now, so it wouldn't surprise me if Suho introduced the two of them. They've at least been aware of each other since 2016, which is where this picture is from:

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I just recently got back into Seventeen after a couple of years of kinda shoving them to the wayside and just keeping up with China line, but it's been really interesting to see how the fandom's perceptions of members (and mine too!) have changed over the years. I second the person who said they can see the vast majority of the members as gay (sorry Chan) but as straight too.

I may be biased because he's my bias, but honestly I do not think that Minghao is straight and at the least he's definitely an ally. The "girl or boy?" ideal type moment has been brought up already, but I'd also add like to throw this into the mix - I just find it funny he used multiple versions of the gay and single-parent families, but only one version of the heterosexual family at the very end

I also find it interesting how close he and Vernon have gotten, who is a member I feel is honestly overlooked when it comes to discussions like these as he is easily the member who has shown the most interest in LGBT-adjacent culture (he and Minghao going to see Hedwig and the Angry Inch together, watching Moonlight with his mother, that time on Pride Day his entire outfit was from Nike and Burberry pride collections, recommending Sense8 and Cloud Atlas, that time in America a fan commented on Seventeen's amount of LGBT fans and he said something like "I hope we can make a better world together with equal rights" + later on when another fan brought this up he said "I just stated the obvious", the lyrics to Rocket being Like That and when a fan commented on how the song is romantic but there's no mention of a female presence he said "Thank you for realising it", tweeting "RIP SOPHIE" etc etc). Could he just be a really open-minded, chill ally? Sure. But I personally believe he is part of the community.

Jun is also obviously gay imo, I didn't know about the Crow stuff until you guys brought it up but that really cemented it. Hoshi also confuses me because he seems to have an interest in LGBT culture too (Touch, the gay chicken thing) but I can't envision him dating a man for some reason. So my thoughts on the members kinda look like this:

Not straight: Jun, Vernon, Minghao, S.coups
I think they're gay/bi but wouldn't be surprised if they're straight: Seungkwan, Joshua, Hoshi
I think they're straight but wouldn't be surprised if not: Mingyu, Jeonghan, Wonwoo
Straight: Woozi, DK
Ultimate Straight: Chan

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13 hours ago, lighterxx said:

you should check Vernon's playlist on Spotify too, his fans got so excited because literally it has almost all same songs as some of the LGBT+ fans. I know this is barely anything but it is something I found interesting when i saw. 

For Hoshi, for longest time, and one of the only strong commenters of this lol, i think Hoshi is pan. I think this for ages, I stan him since 2014, and everything he does is just pan. I am not even saying bi, i am intentionally saying pan. He is generally comfortable tho, so his rumours swing between wildly gay and wildly straight for most fans too. 

For Vernon, I think general consensus for him was straight but amazing ally here. I would personally say, he is one of the "I think they're straight but wouldn't be surprised if not: " per your measurement, considering he did have a girlfriend predebut, but it should also be noted he was very young. For Vernon thing that surprised me most is i think Sophie? It was not something i expected especially considering Vernon is type that rarely uses twitter account, and never asks for password like ever. So you can see it was very important for him at that time. 

For Minghao, i would love to hear more about him from you, he is one of the members i feel like i missed alot of stuff from, same with Vernon? Very unlike Hoshi who i can even remember wildly stupid stuff rip 

I can see Hoshi being pan! To be honest, the only members I feel strongly about wrt sexuality are Jun (definitely gay in some way) and Chan (definitely straight). All the other members could literally be anything and I'd just be like "...yeah, that makes sense". They're definitely one of the most confusing groups I've been a fan of lol

As for Minghao, like others have said before he's very anti-fanservice and doesn't play along with fans when they show any romantic interest in him. I think he takes himself very seriously as an artist and therefore likes to keep a clear divide between his public work as an idol + an artist and his private life. To me it seems like one of his main goals in life is to be respected and admired for his work, which is why I think he much prefers to be asked about the thought process behind his songs or painting rather than what his ideal type is. I suppose that isn't really related to his sexuality, as I'm sure some straight idols get annoyed with fanservice too, but just my thoughts. His privacy and him being generally quiet on variety means we also don't find out a lot about his interests (we know he reads a lot of books but he rarely tells us what he's reading, for example) which means he doesn't have a lot of "receipts" like other members do.

I also want to bring up this moment from CYZJ at 35:30 onwards with Victor:

 Maybe I'm just projecting lol but it's kinda...uncomfortable? He seems very enthusiastic at the start and discusses substituting the names of the other CYZJ contestants in instead of the female names in the original song (in his gay Burberry shirt no less) and then Victor is like "no, that's weird" and suggests using the names of female exes and seniors...and then Minghao is like "okay, so I can just use Jony J and Gong Ge's names, right?" After that, he seems to get kinda withdrawn but that might just be me. It doesn't help that Victor was probably the straightest man on CYZJ (sorry Eric) and was even against doing any kind of cute choreography but I digress.

Also I may have to change my original assessment of DK being straight because I just remembered this moment 

 

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Hi, I just wanted to share what I found today on Namu (kinda the Korean version of Wikipedia, there are Korean articles on the actual Wikipedia too but the ones I see on Namu tend to be more informative) about Korean gay icons. There's artists mentioned like Uhm Jung-Hwa, Lee Sora, BoA, T-ARA etc. In the section below they talk about Western gay icons like Madonna, Beyonce, and Lady Gaga. Obviously not all the Korean men that listen to these artists are gay, but something to consider maybe. 

If you're interested the rest of the page also talks about the history of gay culture in Korea and I thought some of it was pretty fascinating.

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17 hours ago, Romano'sCheese said:

Recently reestablished myself as a carat and have been catching up on everything Seventeen has been doing, so here's my (very rough) estimation of each of the members coupled with a not-so-short list of evidence. Honestly, it turned out way longer than I planned it to be, but I guess I just have a lot of thoughts. They're definitely an interesting group, to say the least.

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S.coups: Could be straight, could be bi but I'm personally leaning towards straight. His past interactions with Jeonghan and Woozi are def a little sus but can be arguably seen as mostly playful as they always happen in a fanservice/brotherly context (though I don't follow him as closely as some of the other members so I might be wrong on that one). He has so much fondness for his team and can get very giggly and flustered when there's any show of affection between them, despite being an avid 'complimenter' himself. At the very least, he's not afraid to call a man sexy 10× in a row (+ wrote some questionable lyrics predebut which we must not forget).

Jeonghan: Straight. While being no stranger to skinship as the resident fondler of the group, I don't think I've ever seen him express genuine attraction towards a man, or anyone really now that I think about it. Used to be very flirty in their early days due to the image the company gave him, but has long since abandoned that label and now only flirts with his closest friends: Joshua, Coups and DK (though he treats DK more like a little brother than anything). With that said, Jeonghan's extremely introverted and likes to keep personal matters away from fans so I never got a good read on him. Either way he does an amazing job playing up the 'I only got eyes for carats' shtick.

Joshua: An enigma. Very good at concealing his emotions, which is why while I haven't seen him act too suspiciously with the other members (sans Jeonghan and maybe hoshi) I can't say he's 100% straight. This ability to appear completely neutral might be attributed to his religious background but I don't like to speculate on it too much since I know almost nothing about his family. It's important to note though that I only ever hear him talking about his mother (which some of the members have met on their own and who's also apparently friends with Wonwoo's mom) but never his dad. 

Jun: Very gay and very blatant. I used to think he was bi cause he's super shy around girls, but after reading the opinions of other people on this thread I think this can be chalked up to him being extremely sheltered as a kid. In Chinese, he's a grade-A master of seduction, and in Korean he's an outright disasterous gay mess who is equal parts flirty and awkward at all times. How he chooses to express himself (whether it be the songs he covers or the profound things he says sometimes) clearly points to some struggles with identity. And while this too can be chalked up to him being sheltered as a kid, I believe a big reason for it is his sexuality.

Hoshi: Horny™ and also a raging bi king. From his recent single release and 'touch' to him constantly groping/flirting with the members and trying to kiss DK while drunk, he's shown me no other signs other than being a very loud bisexual™. I can't even list the members he's had suspicious moments with cause he pretty much flirts with everything that moves. I guess a few notable mentions would be: Woozi, DK, Mingyu -  the latter two being very active participants in his shenanigans. He's also shown clear attraction to men outside of svt, has gushed over other idols and actors + talked in length about how exactly he would like to kiss his girlfriend and how big of a family he's planning to have and so much more. In short: a self aware king who knows what he wants. 

Wonwoo: Straight but likely very open minded and chill. Used to be touchy with Mingyu predebut and while they're still good friends and clearly like each other a lot, I think most of the supposed attraction fans saw came from Mingyu, who is all around a very flirty and tactile person (and gay). People shipping them both def made them not want to interact for a while, which is pretty sad but I don't think it's because Wonwoo is homophobic, just an introvert with a good sense of boundaries. He's very thoughtful + he's most close to members like Seungkwan, Vernon and Mingyu (and Dino, the #1 heterosexual™) so I can't see him being bigoted in any way shape or form. In any case, besides his and Mingyu's relationship, I haven't noticed anything suspicious about his behavior but I'll gladly accept being corrected on this one. 

Woozi: Straight and used to be very inexperienced with women which is why so many people get ace vibes from him. In recent years though he's relaxed a lot more and became considerably open and carefree around topics like love and affection (in regards to members too) which I assume has to do with him gaining more relationship experience. He's able to laugh at himself now, where previously he had a lot of hurt pride and was probably a bit embarrassed about a few things. and while this doesn't usually mean much imo, the fact he acts the most macho/'manliest' out of all of the the svt members but isn't shy anymore about showing his caring side to them makes me think he's developed a strong sense of self and is also def not homophobic like some people have speculated. Took some work to reach this point though. 

DK:Straight? But an extremely sensitive and sweet soul. Quite oblivious tbh, considering the amount of attention he gets from the mlm members, or maybe he just really doesn't mind being like that with other guys. Which raises some questions, but as he's talked about his attraction to women several times and the members themselves have teased him about awkward interactions he's had with girls, I'm pretty confident in saying he's straight. Probably still lets Hoshi kiss him when he's drunk though lmao. 

Mingyu: Gay, or at the very least bi with a strong attraction to men. Aside from being very flamboyant, his interests are also curious. He likes anything creative like fashion and art, which is something he shares with Minghao (a fellow artsy queer) and has also created a mascot for their team that he said was genderless. He's the so called clean freak of seventeen and is comfortable doing tasks that are considered womanly like chores and cooking (which I'm aware is a bit of a stereotype but one which I feel is still relevant esp in a more conservative society like S. Korea). He's flirty/touchy with Seungkwan, Hoshi (and at a certain point, Jeonghan) and gets excited/giggly seeing the members engage in fanservice. While Mingyu is quite comfortable with a handful of svt members, the way he and Seungkwan interact is a level beyond all of his other connections imo. They know everything about each other (more than Mingyu's same-age friends) and are always bickering/cuddling, more so than the other members, which to me indicates that they have a special bond, something they distinctly share. Something like not being straight perhaps…

(btw I feel like the only reason Jun isn't included in this golden trio of gays is because he's not as outgoing/chatty as the other two and would probably have a rough time trying to keep up with them lol) 

The8: Bi, pan or a really great ally, I'm not sure. close to Mingyu, Vernon, Hoshi, Joshua and Jun who all ping me like crazy. His relationship with Mingyu in particular is interesting (they give me artsy gay bfs vibes) and he has said a lot of things in the past that can be interpreted in interesting ways. Went with Vernon to watch Hedwig and the Angry Inch, has shown interest in experimenting with gender expression through fashion and other means + a lot more tbh. He likes to separate his personal life from his work as he takes it very seriously, and always makes sure to let his fans know he's not planning on dating them, but I clearly remember seeing him being flirty with girls (Kyulkyung is one I can def affirm) so while I think he might be queer, there's a strong chance he's also attracted to women.

Seungkwan: 1000% gay. I don't understand how anyone can say he's never shown any attraction to men. Maybe it's because he's my bias (and not as popular as the other members) so most of my attention is focused on him, but there are so many moments I can count where he was checking out members (not to mention other idols), trying to kiss them or touch them (in particular DK, Mingyu and Vernon). He used to get very flustered at acts of fanservice, too, but this past two years I've only seen him react on that level when Vernon flirts back with him. and they do that a lot more casually than before, mind you, but I'll talk about their relationship some other time maybe. As for his music taste which has been discussed quite a bit, I'm more than happy to announce that by both western and Korean standards his favorite artists are all considered more or less gay icons in their respective industries. When svt performed on immortal songs he literally called Uhm Junghwa the unmatched glamorous queen of kpop (I think he even said queen in English) and confessed to liking her music since he was very young. Aside from that just look at his We Remember Kpop playlist, almost all of the songs are of girl groups and quite a few of them are really obscure girl groups at that (Kara, Orange Caramel, GG, Wonder Girls, After School etc but also Secret, 9muses and Chiri Chiri) and female soloists (IU, BoA). The male artists he featured were Beast, Infinite, BtoB and those whose songs he practiced predebut. On his second We Remember Kpop ep fans even begged him to play some boy group songs after thirty minutes of only listening to female artists and he said 'fine fine but I don't think that's gonna happen' though eventually he did lmao. Not to mention Mingyu is his gay bff and they're so lovey dovey with each other it's disgusting. Hoshi is also his biggest rival, which is highly appropriate considering how overt he is with his overflowing bisexuality/queerness while seungkwan can be really sensitive and has a tendency to get pouty and defensive when teased lol. Finally, I think he was and still is madly in love with Vernon, and while I don't want to go all delulu shipper on you guys I do believe they have something very special between them and are very much secure in their relationship even if it's only a very close friendship (which i doubt)

Vernon: 1000% bi. While Hoshi is the in-your-face, I'm-gonna-kiss-everyone-in-this-room kind of bi, Vernon is the laid-back, finger-gun toting, jeans cuffing I'm-fine-with-whatever-and-I-just-really-like-people kind of bi. Out of all the members he's shown the most interest and biggest support towards the lgbtq+ community. He constantly recommends queer media (sense8, cloud atlas, handmaiden) to fans and loves frank ocean, kehlani and many other artists popular with the gay community/who're queer themselves. He's watched moonlight and Hedwig and the Inch, wore Clothes from Burberry's Pride line in June and wrote a song which he specified to be intentionally gender neutral. When a fan asked him what he would like to say to lgbtq+ carats he said he 'hopes to make a place together for everybody, for all equal rights'. He tweeted rip Sophie, which is maybe one of the most telling things he's done, as I don't believe many if any allies would have said the same, esp since he's Korean which tells me he's quite diligent about learning and exploring queer culture even outside his own country.  He's always said things like 'binaries can't define you' and has talked with members about not being restricted by gender. If you look at him predebut, he pings like crazy. Even now I don't think he acts esp straight tbh, he's just an introverted bi guy with a better understanding of his job requirements and social expectations. He just had to figure out some things for a while and nowadays he's totally comfortable and confident with who he is. Also I know we're not supposed to go off of stereotypes here but I swear he literally has the most bisexual smile I've ever seen in my life (that damned lopsided smirk!!)  His entire stance +mannerisms scream bisexual to me, but maybe I'm projecting because we emote in a similar way lol but then again I have met so many bi people in the past who had identical vibes to his that I can not simply brush it off. Also there's Seungkwan, but I heard you guys don't like ships so I'll have to shut up about it lol

Dino:1000% straight. Confirmed dated a staff member before. Likes attention from female fans and is very much comfortable with fanservice and is an expert at hamming up the 'boyfriend' act + is pretty shameless about it. The members he's closest to are all queer af though and it's funny seeing him pretend not to notice when gay shit happens all around him. I really love him lol

 

 

I agree with the vast majority of this (so glad we have moved on from the days where Jeonghan was touted as one of the gayest members), especially the part about Joshua being an enigma - I said the exact same thing yesterday to a friend lol. Really his only receipt is his LA gay voice when he speaks English so I have pegged him as straight BUT I would say he is the most mysterious/private member so I wouldn't be shocked at all if he turns out to be not straight. I haven't seen him show any attraction to men but I also haven't seen him show any attraction to women so...

One thing I will say I disagree with is Coups, who I believe is bi. But I'd also like to state that his lyric of "I like both, I don't mind" in that predebut song being taken as a bisexual statement was actually a misinterpretation and should be discarded as such. However, I still believe he is bi because of that time he changed the lyrics in a song from "my baby girl" to "my baby boy" (if anyone has a credible heterosexual explanation for this please let me know), the time he said he wanted to be a Slytherin because he thought Draco Malfoy was cute, and the time he wore both a jacket with rainbow flags on the back + a Balenciaga Pride-inspired shirt. (IIRC Hoshi also owns various Pride clothing items and made sure he was first seen wearing them publicly in June.)

I'm ashamed to admit I started falling down a 'Seungkwan heterosexual' level of thinking until I saw this compilation of him interacting with female idols. Like another user mentioned, I feel that there's this marked difference between straight and gay male idols interacting with female idols. Straight idols usually have this kind of air of awkwardness around them but Seungkwan is truly no holds barred and will interact with female idols freely. He kinda reminds me of Key in that way (another idol I think is gay).

I agree with the rest of what you put (I think Minghao is queer but admit that could be wishful thinking as he's my bias) except that possibly my most controversial SVT opinion is that I think Mingyu is straight? I used to think he was gay but...idk. He seems to be effeminate and artsy but I'm not sure I can recall any instances of him showing attraction to men (whatever he had with Wonwoo was weird but I like looking at interactions outside of the group for things like this). I'd love to be convinced though.

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20 hours ago, haseul said:

this is random but i've been thinking recently about scandals within the kpop industry and there seems to be every type of scandal possible except an idol getting outed - which i'm thankful for - but it seems that every possible bad thing ever has happened except outing (unless there was a big event of an idol getting outed which i missed? although i doubt it because i probably would've heard about it).

i was sort of wondering how that's even possible. is it because people are so heteronormative that most of the general public haven't grasped that there are gay kpop idols out there, they just haven't come out yet, so one being outed would be so unbelievable even though it could still, and probably would, ruin their career and i'm assuming if an idol were to be outed it'd be for revenge or out of pure hatred for the idol or is it in a keep it hush hush way where other people within the industry are going out of their way to protect them so no idols are outed? although, if an outing scandal happened and there were no paparazzi like shots of an idol kissing someone of the same sex i guess the idol/their company could say they're fabricated lies, even if they were couply texts between the idol and their significant other or highly convincing lovestagrams and things aligning like it is with straight idol couples where it's taken as fact.

it's just interesting to think about because of homophobia still being so prevalent in today's society and it is a stigma like numerous things that have become scandals with kpop idols (most notably, imo, drug usage) but there's not been a scandal to do with, actually not even just outing but lgbt stuff in general, concerning idols? once again, i'm glad that that's the case but yeah. much to think about.

The closest thing I can recall to an outing in Kpop was the scandal with Jo Kwon and Soohyun from UKISS in 2010 where their private texts were leaked:
 

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This scandal was actually quite big at the time but they were able to get away with it through Soohyun directly stating the texts look strange but he's not gay and Jo Kwon saying he was only faithful to BEG's Ga-in, as I think his relationship with her on We Got Married was still fresh in the public conscience. Whether Jo Kwon and Soohyun actually were in a relationship at the time, I don't think these texts exactly read as heterosexual and to be honest I'm inclined to believe they only got away with it because this happened in 2010. 

As for Dispatch, they've said before that they would never out any gay idols or couples (I guess even Dispatch has some morals?) and the "omg Dispatch said they're gonna reveal a gay couple this year" is a rumour i-fans come up with every year by themselves. I remember there was also a blind item many years ago about Dispatch themselves saying they had pictures of a gay couple (iirc 2 members within the same male idol group). I think that was from 2013, and then in 2016 there was another blind item from Pann about a gay couple within a boy group that had been dating for 5 years, and people were speculating it was the same group from the 2013 Dispatch blind item. But obviously nothing came of that so who knows.

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16 hours ago, gam3 bo1 said:

as time goes by, as someone who ults both, more and more bts/svt members seem completely straight to me. idk if that's common for people with other groups but i feel like it could be, at first quite a few come off as gay but as the years go by even if nothing really happens to actually sway your opinion you're like yeahhhhhhh they're probably straight. when i first came on this thread years ago i was sure like half of bts was lgbt but now i wouldn't be surprised if all of them were 100% straight, i really don't know what it is because not many new receipts of anything have come out since then, it's mostly just a hunch. of course, a few could be lgbt but idk!

same with svt although there's double the members so i'm less sure on them. people on here probably agree with me but common carat consensus is that joshua is gay but in all honesty he just seems like a straight guy with an la accent lmao. wouldn't be surprised if seungkwan is straight either although i did used to think he was gay when i first became a carat.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I've moved on from BTS now but frankly all of them apart from possibly Taehyung and Yoongi seem straight to me, and even then I think both of them are bi rather than gay. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they all turn out to be straight. I don't really follow EXO these days (as...there isn't anything to follow lol) but I do still believe Suho is gay (purely because I still haven't seen anything to point me in the opposite direction) and Sehun is imo bi, but wouldn't be shocked if he was straight. The other members are all straight. With SVT, I have all the members firmly placed in different tiers now which are unlikely to change, but again wouldn't be shocked if they were all straight.

In general over the years, I have experienced a sort of "disillusionment" with speculating which idols are gay, and frankly I feel quite embarrassed looking back at some of my old posts where I was young and foolish lol. I'm not attached to the idea of any idol being gay now, of course I still have thoughts about certain idols but I just shrug my shoulders and move on if it turns out I was wrong. I think I just now can't be bothered to get invested in anything, especially as none of these speculated idols are ever gonna come out and frankly South Korea still has a long long way to go before any celebrity coming-outs can safely happen.

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4 minutes ago, joonsoulie said:

Genuine question, do you consider your old receipts forfeit then? I will say a lot of people on this thread have relied on your masterposts for evidence and as a basis of interpretation, especially for me as someone who only got into kpop in 2019 and doesn't have context prior to that time. I don't think because you have comparatively less to examine now means that those old receipts have lost value, do you? 

No, of course not. They're still perfectly valid but I always said those receipts are a mere collection of everything I could find about those idols in the thread, and they're just what you (not specifically you, just you as the general reader) make of them. I have used them to point me in a certain direction but they're not my own personal interpretation of what idols are gay or not, if that makes sense. You're right that because I have less to go off of nowadays, it makes things harder. Maybe this is just me being cynical but I find that Kpop has simultaneously somehow gotten more gay and less gay, with hardcore fanservice perfectly accepted but actual Korean statements like "I unequivocally support the LGBT community" (e.g Jonghyun) are hard to come by.

Emphasis on the Korean. I'm sure this will get me negged but in my opinion, BTS/HYBE have done a great job of toeing the line and being aware that in the West, people like their celebrities to be outspoken about social issues while it's the opposite in Korea. This means they get all the benefits of being seen as a "woke group for the youth" in America, even though the LGBT community in Korea need that public support far more. I find it kinda sad that Namjoon was able to tweet that he liked Same Love more upon finding out it was about homosexuality all the way back in 2013 with no repercussions, but 8 years later things have changed so much.

(Also to clarify, I wasn't referring to those receipts posts when I said some of my old posts are embarrassing, I was just thinking about how I would say that half of EXO/BTS were into men or something lol)

17 minutes ago, Kpop_fan178 said:

Sorry but Sehun bi? Am i missing something? I never heard of him being interested in women. Can u share any of this kind of receipts? I am just curious what makes you think that.

I don't have any receipts to show, I'll just admit that the "I'm not gay" Instagram live kinda made me rethink things. Of course you can always believe that SM told him to deny gay rumours at some point and Sehun saw the comment and took that opportunity, but that just seems extreme to me. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct explanation. In my opinion, an actual gay man would have simply ignored that comment and acted like he didn't read anything. But I also can't believe that Sehun is straight lol, so I settled on bi as a middle ground