Which male idols do you think are gay?

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1 hour ago, Melany said:

Err, yes you can.

That's what the sign on the door's for.  

no, i won't, i will talk here about who i feel is straight or gay how much i want and you can't do anything about it. homosexuality won't even exist without heterosexuality, your parents are heterosexual right?  you wouldn't be born if they didn't copulate.

And i say this as a non straight person.

I was polite to you and you persist in being aggressive. You say I'm 'hypocritical' but you must be in some kind of blind rage because my only post on this matter wasn't to you. It was a general musing about the possible validity of Rennis and stating Jungkook's sexuality could go either/any way for me. So don't put words in my mouth which I haven't said or implied.

I wasn't talking to you specifically, i was talking to everyone isn't the pronoun "you" used as plural too?  stop playing the victim there

 

 

Do you show up at pride parades and ask "but what about the cis straight people?"

Also, that's a pretty big assumption that their parents are straight. This is clearly a case of bi-erasure and ignoring gay & lesbian couples who have had children. Not all parents are straight, not all babies are the result of sex, etc.

Not to mention parents who came out later in life but had married young and had children. Their children was the result of sex with the opposite gender, not of their heterosexuality.

Edited September 21, 2020 by raspberry84

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3 hours ago, Melany said:

I don't, it's just that you can't ignore heterosexuality. Seems like some of you think gay is the default sexuality. 

Also, that's a pretty big assumption that their parents are straight. This is clearly a case of bi-erasure and ignoring gay & lesbian couples who have had children. Not all parents are straight, not all babies are the result of sex, etc.

Okay so what the percentage of her parents being both of the same gender? 1.1 %? homoparental family is still kinda rare. Also as i said no matter if someone has 2 mothers or fathers, he is still the fruit of sex between a man and a woman so a heterosexual relationship. You own your life to an heterosexual relation ship. As far as i know 2 ova or 2 spermatozoide can't give life. At least yet. 

 

1. You can be dating someone of the opposite sex, that doesn't mean you are heterosexual. Therefore, someone could have a mom and dad but still not have two straight parents. One or both could identify as bi or pan for example.

2. Rarity doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You still made an assumption that their parents were straight. That's heteronormative.

3. You can have a child without having sex. Sperm donations, invitro, etc. Those are acts that don't involve two members of the opposite sex having sex.

4. There have also been situations where trans men have given birth while in a gay relationship because they are pre-op. Same for trans women if they are in a lesbian relationship and pre-op. 

5. You can have sex with the opposite gender and still not be heterosexual. Really, this term "heterosexual relationship" you are throwing around is nonsense and used by people who try to invalidate and erase bi and pan sexualities.. 

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by raspberry84

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4 minutes ago, bb8__ said:

"your relationship with your husband is heterosexual, doesn't matter if you are bi, your kids are still the fruit of a man and a woman"

"Seems like some of you think gay is the default sexuality."

The fact they're getting likes for this internalized homophobia, bi-erasure, heteronormative bs.....

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13 hours ago, Melany said:

 

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1. You can be dating someone of the opposite sex, that doesn't mean you are heterosexual. Therefore, someone could have a mom and dad but still not have two straight parents. One or both could identify as bi or pan for example.

You are not heterosexual but you are in a heterosexual relation ship, stop repeting the same shit over.

2. Rarity doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You still made an assumption that their parents were straight. That's heteronormative.

the whole world is heternomative, you can't change that just by claiming it on a random forum.

3. You can have a child without having sex. Sperm donations, invitro, etc. Those are acts that don't involve two members of the opposite sex having sex.

its kind of recent, so most people aren't born this way yet, but it still requiere a sperm and an ova so again= woman +man

4. There have also been situations where trans men have given birth while in a gay relationship because they are pre-op. Same for trans women if they are in a lesbian relationship and pre-op. 

because they have a vagina, so doesn't matter how they identify they are still biologically a woman

5. You can have sex with the opposite gender and still not be heterosexual. Really, this term "heterosexual relationship" you are throwing around is nonsense and used by people who try to invalidate and erase bi and pan sexualities.. 

well it's still involve a man and a woman no matter how you hard it to be not hetero it's still hetero

1. Heterosexual is a sexuality, not a type of relationship. Describing every relationship between opposite sex partners as a "heterosexual relationships" is dated and encourages bierasure. 

2. The world can also be sexist, racist & homophobic. It doesn't mean we excuse those things and participate in them.

3. It's not at all recent, especially depending on where you live in the world. And it doesn't need to involve sex, which was your original argument.

4. Wow this transphobia ain't a cute look. (To clarify: you are stating a trans man and cis man dating is a heterosexual relationship because...vagina?)

5. Heterosexual means you are only attracted to the opposite sex. A bisexual man can have sex with a women, it doesn't make him heterosexual. Again, see biphobic/bi-erasure.

If you actually are part of the LGBT community you really need to educate yourself because you are saying some really bigoted things here.

Edit: Honestly I was gonna let this go but I feel like this has really crossed a line involving with their statements about bisexuals, pansexuals and trans men. Biphobia and transphobia shouldn't have a place in this thread.

Edited September 22, 2020 by raspberry84

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14 minutes ago, liya18 said:

Can somebody tell me why people make a big deal for jungkook to wear a shirt with colorful butterflies.?

 

Well this is new.

Didn't realize butterflies had become code for gay 

But it's probably because Jimin has a dance to the song Butterfly so clearly this must be code or some other crazy shipper bs.

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Is there a way to ban people from this thread because they're not even pretending to not be transphobic. They're screaming it at this point and that has to violate some rules of this thread.

It's really tragic because I honestly feel like this is probably the root of some deep seated self hatred and internalized homophobia. It always seems like the people who are biphobic and transphobic are the same ones who will go to bat for the straights. They want to be an exception and get that heterosexual approval.

Edit: Thank you to whoever delete those vile posts.

Edited September 24, 2020 by raspberry84

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43 minutes ago, Taecoholic said:

This is interesting...

What is this from?

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Honestly, I'm just amused that they're banning shipping when it's fan created but you know the official content will be full of it. I honestly think it's less about preventing shipping and more about preventing explicitly sexual shipping.

 

Edited September 26, 2020 by raspberry84

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Since Key is basically out of the military now, what do you guys expect?

I'm curious how open he is gonna be now that his time in the military is done.

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It blows my mind that people out there think Key is straight but it also kinda makes sense for newer fans.

So much of the "evidence" around Key is connected to Jonghyun and I think that is still an open wound for a lot of people so it doesn't get talked about frequently anymore.

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4 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

I get why people don't what to talk about it, but didn't Key have other evidence outside of Jonghyun? I mean toheart exist and his relationship with Woohyun comes to mind. And just his naturel demeanor

He definitely has evidence outside of Jonghyun but their interactions is still a pretty major source of evidence (especially if you believe they were in a relationship). 

I used to talk about Key frequently here prior to everything but it's harder now and I rarely talk about him because it opens old wounds.

Edited October 25, 2021 by raspberry84

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All I have to add to the BTS discussion is that I remain convinced that Yoongi went from having a crush on Hoseok (which was not returned at all) to having a crush on Taehyung (which I'm still all ???? about. I can't tell if Taehyung returns the feelings or just likes having that attention from him)

Edited November 3, 2021 by raspberry84

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I really enjoyed reading the Namjoon discussion but also wtf is this Yoongi is straight nonsense.

Also, other than the Girl in the title of the song there isn't really anything to indicate whether Yoongi is talking about a male or female in those lyrics. At least from the translations I've seen. Considering this is a song on the Juice WRLD album it's likely someone from his team that made the decision for title.

(Not to mention we, again, don't know if those lyrics are fictional or based on a real ex)

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1 hour ago, kiyatix said:

Sorry but I really don't understand what you're getting at/what I did wrong..

I was giving an opinion to a post that wasn't getting responses to see if it's still an unpopular opinion since he's not talked about much. Obviously it is that's fine, but feel like I'm being interrogated a little lmao 

I could've said I don't buy his receipts/evidence but it was easier to just say straight. I didn't want to go into details because I don't do that but it seemed to become an issue. (And someone else just responded they think seokjins straight to the same user simply like I did, that's all I intended it to be.) 

You stated the mistranslation as the main reason people think Yoongi is queer and that honestly is just wrong (outside of shippers). Especially among queer fans who get that vibe from him.

Also, historically, people like to bring up that mis-translation as a way to defend Yoongi's straightness and there is often homophobia surrounding their motives.

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4 minutes ago, kiyatix said:

It's the main reason I see in the fandom, not in this forum. Majority from what I see in twitter saw it as a way of coming out subtly and I just disagree. I know people on here have more nuanced reasons 

I'd disagree. It may be the people you follow on twitter but I rarely see it mentioned anywhere anymore. 

Again, it's common among shippers as a reason but take everything that comes from shippers with a huge grain of salt. Most are straight females who fetishize gay or queer men. A larger percentage than you would think are also homophobic and opposed to real queer relationships.  They often don't actually care or truly believe an idol is gay. They just want fuel for their ship.

Most shipper logic should be disregarded because it's often based on stereotypes, fetishization and not understanding fanservice.

Edited December 11, 2021 by raspberry84

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30 minutes ago, DDiddy said:

I wonder how Jungkook feels being trapped in the most famous ships in kpop and how that impacted him figuring out his sexuality and himself. Like I just feel so bad for the dude, everything he does gets analyzed by delulus to hell. Mans can't breath without shippers interpreting something, that gotta have some permanent effects on how you see yourself right? I wonder how much he struggled.

Are you talking only about gay ships or every ship?

This seems a weird take for a gay thread.

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7 minutes ago, DDiddy said:

I mean every ship. What I was trying to say was that it might have been confusing for him to figure himself out bc people were constantly  putting him into hypothetical relationships with others. I just realized it might sound like that but I wasn‘t actually suggesting that he‘s straight, we simply don‘t know his sexuality. I was wondering how the shipping affected him. 

This thread is not the place for this conversation.

As far as your confusing comment: I'd tread lightly in that conversation. I do truly hope you aren't suggesting people speculating he was queer made him "confused" that he was queer. It doesn't work that way.

Edited December 11, 2021 by raspberry84

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1 minute ago, DDiddy said:

I thought this was something we could talk about since it might have influenced his self perseption. I'm not sure if we're talking past each other but I tried to make clear what I was saying. 

Jungkook's sexuality is what his sexuality was always meant to be. The fans speculating either way has no ultimate impact on it or how he views himself.

At best, it might give him confidence if he is queer (which I believe he is) to be more comfortable with that in a public way.

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4 minutes ago, Josaline said:

What I'm trying to point out there is that the name and lyrics of the song are addressed to the girls of their dreams, and that's why ı'm saying take with grain of salt. It might not mean much, maybe it can, after all Yoongi has done songs for girls before, like Let Me Know.

It means absolutely nothing as his lyrics don't reference the gender of the person and it's not his album, therefore not his title decision.

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2 minutes ago, Josaline said:

Aren't a bit hypocritical to believe that Yoongi wrote the his other lyrics based on his own experiences and ignore the lyrics he wrote here too? Although he probably has not decided on the name and concept of the song, he may still have written the song based on his own experiences.

Who said I assume all his lyrics are based on his own experiences? Lyrics can be autobiographical, inspired by experiences or completely fictional.

What we know is his lyrics do not reference the gender of the person he is rapping about so it doesn't suggest anything about his sexuality. We also don't know if it's about an actual past relationship or fiction so it doesn't give us any information about his dating history.

Edited December 11, 2021 by raspberry84

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1 minute ago, Josaline said:

ıdk I got such an impression from you. If that's how we think about lyrics, we shouldn't accept any lyrics Yoongi has ever written as a receipt. After all, we can't know which are autobiographical, inspired by experiences or completely fictional, right?

I agree. Unless he's spoke about the lyrics and why he wrote it, we shouldn't use them as any indicator. Especially since everything they write needs to be approved by their company and we know they've blocked songs in the past.

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35 minutes ago, Josaline said:

I think that's enough to understand what a song is talking about, but I won't know about you guys lol

At this point you are ignoring everything and focusing on the title. It's been explained to you by multiple people why that isn't relevant.

I feel like you want the song to be proof Yoongi likes girls and are upset others are not viewing it as having value or significance.

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1 hour ago, Josaline said:

 

You guys now act like the world is going to end once you admit that the song is about a girl, which is hilarious. When you buy a book with a picture of a tomato on the cover and a tomato in the title, it seems like you are waiting for information about cucumbers to appear in it lol People have repeatedly explained to you that most songs in Korean are written in a gender neutral way. There's no need to act like Yoongi has never written a song for a girl before. As he himself admitted, he wrote Let Me Know for his ex-girlfriend, we all know. It's not good to be so in denial. Even Taehyung has chosen " She " in every English song he's ever written. I'm not pushing this aside. I always keep it in the back of my mind. I recommend it to you too.

I would recommend you keep in mind we don't know how much control they actually have over their lyrics and what they need to edit to release it. To counter your Taehyung argument: he wrote a duet intended for two guys. He was told he would need to switch it to a male and female to get it released. In that case, he made the decision not to edit and release it. However, we don't know if he's made other edits to get other songs released.

We also know, for a fact, they need approval before releasing their songs. 

So it's plausible that similar edits and changes could be done to their other English songs where pronouns are more necessary.

We don't know and that's why officially released songs should be taken with a grain of salt.

Edited December 12, 2021 by raspberry84

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Yoongi's is wearing a skirt in their new GQ spread and posted the photos to his instragram.