Which male idols do you think are gay?

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17 minutes ago, Bushi said:

It seems he is referencing good old Jean-Michel Basquiat in the video. 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Michel_Basquiat, who lived a colourful and fluid life.

Also, the crown here looks really similar to one that appeared above Yoongi's head in the mv.

 

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At the end of the day, no idol has full control over their image and historically people have gone along with fake relationships because it benefited the product they were trying to sell. At this point I'm waiting to see how Heechul and Momo play out in the longterm before I pass any major judgement. I'm assuming it's real at this point but that opinion isn't cemented.

As far as BTS goes, I think the narrative that they're in complete artistic control was a smart move on BH's point because the fans have fully embraced it. Fans give them credit for everything connected to their comeback despite their being entire teams who put these things together. You don't need to be an anti to acknowledge that sometimes BTS is given credit for things they didn't work on at all (the HYYH era, for example) and that BTS Connect is definitely a major product that was brainstorm, created and put on by an entire team (which BTS is working with but not in control of as we saw with Black Swan).

People are quick to forget that Taehyung was denied his Christmas song because it was romantic and involved two men singing together. The only way they'd approve that song is if he sang it with a female (which shows they have to get approval for their own songs).

There is also Jin and BH stating that all of BTS wants to enlist in the military when Yoongi in the past literally referred to it as a death sentence and went on to wish he had something wrong with him so he wouldn't have to.

I'm honestly gonna be curious to listen to Yoongi's mixtape because I really don't think he's gonna get the same freedom as his original one and honestly it's kinda made me wonder if that's why it hasn't been released yet (Namjoon alluded to Yoongi's being finished in the fall of 2018 and that's why he released Mono when he did but it's been well over a year now).

Edit: The point of bringing up the control of BTS's image is relevant here because I've often heard the argument that if someone in BTS wanted to come out, they would be able to. Which is definitely far from the truth. I also think the Taehyung example shows how this does apply to anything that is viewed as being too "queer"

Edited January 20, 2020 by raspberry84

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24 minutes ago, persuasions said:

Stop the negging.

Ok I agree with you. The fact that they have little control is known to fans who do not buy into BH benevolent godsend image; the fact they have none is plain wrong and made me mad especially regarding BTS connect when we all know how much some of them appreciate art and museums(RM, Tae, Hobi)

BH controls their music and image for sure, but they at least have some artistic input. Maybe this freedom is to protect and build BH image too lmao. 

BH said NO to a Vmin love song duet in 2018 and Taehyung talking twice about it on his vlives. He still did not release it while he released 2 others since 2018 and started a new one recently. He was quite emotional about it too, and in 2018 he said it will never be completed or something. Adding all his support for gay artists and art, plus his body language, if anyone comes at me and says he is not LGBTQ, and as out as any member of one of the biggest boy bands under a controlling Korean company could be, I am going to say:

“Get out of your imagination, it’s not good in there,” Kim Taehyung, 2019 A.D.

I mean, I think BTS has more creative control then a lot of groups (especially certain members) but bringing up the initial fan perception of Black Swan (fans praising and crediting the members) vs reality (they weren't involved in the production and were shown it after completion) was a good reminder that crafted images, fan perceptions and marketing all play a huge role in the industry.

Back when that VLive happened, I commented that Taehyung must have been really hurt and upset about his song being denied because he was pretty blunt in his criticism of the producer. He wanted the existence of that song known and for everyone to know exactly why it wasn't being released and honestly, I'm assuming BH was not happy about it.

 

Edit: instead of clowning me, please reply and say what was ridiculous or incorrect about my post

Edited January 20, 2020 by raspberry84

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Realistically, we don't know whether any idol wants to stay in Korea or move aboard. I could see fans responding really negatively to an any of them moving out of the country. In the same way we don't know their actual opinions on military service or whether they want to enlist because any other than "I am proud and want to do this" is seen as a major negative.

Same way support of the LGBT community exists on this very thin line and how it varies between local and international events/interviews.

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4 hours ago, Melany said:

i believe the only group who can afford to come out is BTS, because they are the only one have a massive international (werstern)fanbase. Western fans will mostly support, i doubt even that they will reserve major backlash in korea since they are very big and cancelling them would be a big loss to korea economically and will affect korea image in the world. other group like exo,nct,blackpink have big sea fandoms (very conservative countries such as indonesia). I believe bts had make enough money to move out and settle outside korea. too bad bighit don't care about lgbt and only use it in a very vague way to queerbait fans and appear woke.

Yea, reality is BTS would probably be able to survive a member or two coming out. 

It just comes down to whether or not they want to seriously damage their Korean fanbase and position as ambassadors for the country.

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I find it interesting that so many of the people that BTS has made the choice to collab with are part of the LGBT community.

I also wanna know how much Jungkook freaked out over Troye doing a song for them.

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FYI the new HYYH notes are disappointing for those of you following the yoonkook story line. Only one referenced it.

In general these notes felt weird and disjointed from previous sets 

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Just caught up and calling out fetishizing shippers doesn't mean someone is straight, gay, etc. It simply means they don't want people to force the fantasy that they're banging their friend onto them.

Like reminder but these responses are usually to fans who directly comment on their ship to the idols themselves. It's not like Tae went searching to find it.

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I think the "I'm still me" could be in reference to the reaction fans have had to him growing up (drinking, tattoos, etc.) and maybe connected to his sexuality but I think it's a big stretch to say it def is.

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A few quick thoughts:

Speculation that members within a group may share an attraction or be in a relationship isn't delusional. I imagine it happens in the same way that actors end up dating people who they've worked with or co-workers dating. So noticing and speculating is fairly normal.

But please remember that all receipts aren't the same. Yes, anything that comes from an official source need to be taken with a grain of salt but some people can't tell the difference between a moment in a scripted show (the forced kiss between Tae and Hobi, for example) and moments that are accidentally caught in the background of another shot. Or how some companies will specifically edit away certain events or moments in official video (which I find the most eyebrow raising).

And the biggest issue I've noticed here is people acting superior about who they think is in a relationship. Looking down on other's who disagree with your speculation, acting like they are ignorant or ignoring facts, isn't a great look and is shitty. Knock it off, none of us actually know shit at the end of the day so certain people here need to get off their high horse.

And to clarify, there is a difference between saying "I'm convinced they're together" and truly believing they're dating and trying to force that belief onto others. For example, I firmly believe that Jonghyun and Key were in a relationship and that Key has been pretty damn transparent about that. It would take something major to personally convince me they weren't romantically involved. However, I also know not everyone agrees with me on that and I'm ok with that. We all have our own reasons for our beliefs.

As far as the BTS thing goes, I find Yoongi and Taehyung suspicious. I wouldn't be shocked if there was something going on there but with BTS...there is a lot of control over their image by both their fans and their companies. Reality is we actually know very, very little about them. Hell, look at the way the fans still try to cover up and hide Jungkook's tattoos to the point that you can't even post pictures of them without people losing their mind. Any real shit is gonna get buried real fast.

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23 minutes ago, SingularEpiphany said:

I feel like there's miscommunication about the J-Hope/V kiss, I'm very very far from suggesting it's a sort of proof, it was a game of chance. It wasn't even the main point! Anyway, folks went all moral high ground on me because it's not much of groundbreaking statement that young people tend to be star-struck by older people. 

I tend to be a little condescending to the Taekook ship myself, I admit, because it's very discussed and given how popular the ship is, it's amazing shippers don't realise they're being fed scraps on purpose. But no one discusses any other interaction in BTS! All people did about the (really cute and somewhat suspicious) Tae+Jin clip I shared was neg it to oblivion. Like I'd welcome if people said they saw nothing in it - after all, BH does occasionally push the Taejin ship, Taejin is BH's top choice for charged homoerotic fanservice.

But folks got caught up in my random off the cuff remark

As for Taehyung and Suga, they've been close since debut. The HYYH Epilogue concert has Taehyung thanking Suga as one of the people who looked after him, before Jimin mentioned himself (as a joke). And recently BH has been showing them as a unit (sometimes along with Jin and the Yoongi-Jin friendship push). Suga is pretty affectionate to him. 

The point about the kiss between Hobi and Tae was the fact it was random and a "consequence" for losing the game (which is an entire other discussion I don't feel like getting into right now). The kiss itself isn't really proof of anything on it's own. Now, one could discuss how that might have impacted Tae if he did have a crush on Hobi at the time (which is a fairly popular speculation) but the kiss itself isn't evidence of anything because it was a scripted moment on a scripted show.

And making comments that "they're being fed scraps on purpose" is very condescending and does nothing to help further the conversation about it. It just fuels the hostility between the different "shippers" (for a lack of a better word) on this thread. Even your comments on Yoongi and Tae seem like you're trying to discredit my comment about speculating about them (bringing up BH pushing them as a unit, countering the speculation that they've recently got closer by saying they've always been close). 

And don't get me wrong, I know a number of the people who speculated here about Tae and Yoongi in the past were equally condescending and felt like they were superior. It's honestly a major issue with BTS because people get competitive about proving their "ship" correct.

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by raspberry84

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2 hours ago, Josaline said:

How come it is being a shipper to talk about a actor who have another drama that Jungkook previously acted together and have the scenes were almost light BL? How to mention is wrong that the names of the main roles in the drama he played in have a popular ship reference to attract attention? Sometimes I really think people don't understand entertainment world.

Because you said it yourself, it's a popular ship and there is an overlap of the actor.

That has zero to do with Tae, Jungkook or their sexualities. 

Unless you were sharing it to show how they people making the new drama are exploiting a popular ship and possibly fetishizing gay relationships...I don't see how it's relevant to this thread.

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4 minutes ago, Josaline said:

Finally someone found something logical about why I might have shared it. 

Except that was not the context in which you shared it.

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1 minute ago, Josaline said:

I just gave the information and left the assessment to others, just like the person who opened the topic in the other forum and left the discussion to others. If you read the discussions in the other forum, you can see that I am not the only one who thinks the same. I think the producers are clearly chasing cloud.

You posted a theory about a bl drama being connected to Taekook and ended the post with a smiley face. You didn't criticize or talk about exploitation of the ship, your tone was a positive one.

And we're not basing this on the conversation in another thread, we're basing this on your post here and issue with it.

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In relation to the BL drama possibly trying to play off Taekook, I really hope that isn't the case. I know BL drama's are problematic to start with and usually written with straight female fans in mind but it's at least some media being produced that shows LGBT characters. I keep hoping that it'll continue to move in a more authentic direction.

It'd be a big red flag if they're basing it off shipping culture because that's so deeply rooted in homophobia and fetishization...and sometimes sexism.

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8 minutes ago, lilywhite said:

Later, i will giving you all what i found. I can giving you evidences, that taehyung and yoongi are in relationship. Psychologically and Logically.

I promise, i am not one of those delusional shipper.

They've been discussed a decent amount here and I know they have a decent amount of suspicious moments. Especially on Yoongi's side.

I'm curious, cause I wouldn't be shocked if there is more suspicious stuff out there, but I also know there is a lot of shipping stuff surrounding them as well.

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Why are we discussing whether or not an idol went to a bar? Since it wasn't specifically a gay bar, it isn't relevant to this thread. If you wanna discuss it make your own thread.

Also please stop calling it a straight bar. That isn't a thing and sets the tone that queer people don't frequent there. Calling it a straight bar is antiquated and not the same as being more specific when describing the type of bar (gay bar, western bar, whiskey lounge, dive bar, etc.) .

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I know i'm late but why is every time Taehyung mentions wanting kids we got people coming out of the woodwork to declare that means he's straight or will marry a women. This is some heteronormative bs.

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8 hours ago, baekhyunee said:

tbh i’ve always thought shinee’s key would come out after his military and he gets discharged in september. 

I've really curious what will happen once he leaves the military.

For a long time I saw him as coming out but honestly, I'm not sure now.

With the songs, his note and the way he talks about Jonghyun...if Key came out, it would also be outing Jonghyun in a way because it would be hard to see their relationship as anything but romantic. Right now there is some plausible denial.

Edit: I find it curious why this is getting downvotes because I said I could see him not publicly coming out because it could indirectly out another individual who now no longer has any say.

Edited August 30, 2020 by raspberry84

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6 hours ago, azuyaraven said:

I just want a bit of discussion in this topic, so I want to ask:

Why do you think real gay idols and possible "real couple" would refrain from being lovey dovey on cam or stay lowkey when if you think about it:

• Company have no reason to push a fake ship and hide a real coupe while the financial results would be relatively the same and fake or real couple the "whether he gay or not" talk would still happen? Real couple would even have more chemistry and easier to push and would refrain the idols from dating rumors/news with het girls.
• Couple happening in the same group would be more likely to happen than a random meetup somewhere? I know the general consensus for dating is "don't sh*t where you eat", but if you are a busy idol, both you and your teammate are gay and you spend almost all the time together, you depend on each other both in work and emotionally because of work, would you happen to more likely fall for that teammate? (same with doctor/nurse and air hostess/pilot combo, don't happen all the time but do happen alot)
• Showbiz I think are much more tolerant towards lgbtq+, even in a conservative country like Korea. Similar to my line of work (advertising), I think this industry is more open towards lgbtq+, simply many flock into the industry and it is much more normalized. So if an idol acting sus too many times, I don't think it's good acting (you can't act 24/7, most idol shred the company-forged image over time), but rather that how he behaves naturally since it is not frown upon by the people working and living around him. 

Just some thoughts, pls be kind  

I don't think a company would actively push a couple who was dating irl just because that could end badly when they split up. That said, I also don't think they would say no fanservice if it was one where that was already normal. I imagine they would want to keep the status quo (and that's assuming the members would be open about dating, which I imagine they wouldn't in most cases).

I agree with your second point. Dating someone you work with in general isn't always the smartest choice because of what could happen if the relationship ended but it happens ALL the time. I just looked it up and about 10-20% of people met their significant other at work. That number is higher when you look at people who eventually get married (around 1 in 4). Considering KPop idols work AND live together...I imagine dating in the industry is far more common than what we officially know and that goes for queer and het couples.

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11 minutes ago, Eremit said:

companies would be dumb as hell to push real couples to fans and I don't doubt they'd heavily discourage it from happening in the first place. How many groups go sour because of problematic relations? and that's without adding romance to the mix. Sure many people meet their SOs at work but you realise work for K-Pop idols isn't just them and their 3-10 group mates 24/7...there's tons of people who work at their company who they'd have a much easier time dating. How many idols have to be revealed to be dating for years before fans stop pushing this "they're too busy to meet people" thing lol. If anything idols probably meet a ton more different people than those who go to the same office every day.

heavily pushed couples invite crazy stans who'll do anything to figure out if their faves are actually together, that's the last thing you want if you have something to hide. I mean we're talking stalking, leaking of CGV footage etc. The risk would be immense. Honestly aside from genuine friendships that exist most lovey-dovey fanservice has always seemed pretty calculated to me. You can tell companies know exactly what's popular and what sells.

Honestly, I think the arguments that there are "easier" or "less risky" options really only goes so far. People make dumb decisions about who they get involved with all the time cause our hearts are dumb.

I think the best comparison would be to actors & actresses in Hollywood. It's super common they end up dating someone within the industry, including people who work behind the scenes on set. But there are a lot who end up dating or hooking up with co-stars during filming and I'm sure there are WAY more than we'll ever know. It's the dumb/risky choice but it happens.

I'm sure the same thing happens with idols. 

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1 minute ago, Eremit said:

I mean sure. But I reckon it's rare, not just for the fact that a majority of idols is bound to be straight just statistically speaking. Also the fact that most of these kids train together from a young age and are practically owned by their companies until they really get successful. And of course we've heard a lot about how some groups as it turns out don't even like each other very much behind the scenes. Fans get caught up in their fantasies about things heating up at dance practice too much.

I think it's probably fairly common for dating or hook ups to occur between both queer and het couples. 

As far as them being kids who trained together...look at how often Disney or Nick stars dated or hooked up within that small pool (usually with co-stars). Or any sitcom or show that had a primarily teen cast (Brady Bunch, Saved by the Bell, etc.). I'd argue Disney & Nick have just as strong of a control over their stars as KPop companies do. It's honestly less about controlling their actual actions and more about controlling the image.

This isn't about fantasizing about fanfic troupes. It's just a realistic observation about how people tend to met their significant other. Maybe stop connecting any queer relationship back to the fetishization of it.

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1 hour ago, Taecoholic said:

A few pages ago we saw how bad it can turn out when two people who doing fanservice together are caught up emotions. Even if we leave that to aside, it certainly doesn't sound convincing to me for a company to promote the real gay couple. Yes, people can get caught up in their emotions. But I'm sure these companies also firmly advise not to be emotionally attract to each other while teaching their members how to fanservice. And I am sure that if they feel that something like this is happening, they will intervene before the situation progresses.

I can't even imagine a scenario where an idol would be open about their relationships, even the het idols.  LBR, the majority of kpop idol relationships are probably secret from the company until it gets super serious.

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It's really uncomfortable how much people try to argue an idol is straight in here sometimes.

The intention of this thread is to speculate who is gay/bi/etc and obviously we're not all going to agree on that. At the end of the day, it's all speculation.

There isn't an issue with saying you disagree or find an idol straight but seeing PARAGRAPHS of arguments about why one HAS to be straight...it's not okay. The intent of this thread isn't to convince people that an idol isn't part of the LGBT community. The rest of this site does a pretty good job of that.

The last time this trend of arguing an idol is straight started, it ended with homophobic mods locking this thread and all mention of minors being banned. 

Edited September 20, 2020 by raspberry84

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2 hours ago, Josaline said:

No, I'm not a Taekook shipper. If I were I would try to prove that he is gay like Jikook shippers, right? I sometimes share some remarkable moments that Taehyung was in because Tae is my bias and I pay more attention to him than the other members. As I already mentioned, I never closed the door that Jungkook could be bi, but I think he leaning towards women. Jungkook and the other members are really close to each other. Half of the above you mentioned are already fanservice. If not, this much closeness is perfectly normal for them.  I mean,  we are talking about people who touching each other's dicks to joke lolJungkook had no intimacy with any man other than his own members, but he has with women. Jungkook has never had an relationship that caused an eyebrow raising like Tae''s relationship with Bogum or Suga's relationship with Pearl. 

 

I also think this is an area where we can discuss. If someone presents a thesis, those who believe otherwise should be able to say something. As long as it is discussed respectfully, I don't think it will be a problem.

Why are you so invested in convincing people that Jungkook is straight in a thread about which idols people think are lgbt? Say you disagree and move on.

For example, someone could go into any group's fan thread and start responding about why they don't think the group is talented or that they're overrated. They could even make these statements "respectfully" but it would still be a jerk move since that isn't the intention of the thread.

Edit: And y'all straight-ass shippers who tend to show up, you can clown me if you want. It shows who is on the thread, names are recognizable as people who don't post here *and* your profiles are public.

Edited September 20, 2020 by raspberry84