Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Isadora1322]

lmao look at the way he avoids Taeyong's eye contact by looking down

 

And taeyong is like nonono you're gonna look at me LOL

 

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[blackberry2000]

On 4/2/2017 at 2:00 PM, Mysterymindme said:

 

I'm not sure that males have it much worse than females. . . isn't that just a stereotype? And also driven by traditional beliefs about women. Here's a relevant article: https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/turns-out-women-have-really-really-strong-sex-drives-can-men-handle-it/276598/

Here's another relevant article about the frequency of sexual thoughts in both genders: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-sexual-continuum/201112/how-often-do-men-and-women-think-about-sex

 

 

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On 4/2/2017 at 1:16 PM, 25%Cotton said:

"so  many straight men watch gay porn" 

uh... i wouldn't say "so many," but i've heard of it happening.

 

i don't think he's gay for hugging or touching men. and i do think there is an exaggerated theatricalness to the way he approaches his sexuality on TV as a celebrity persona.

 

that being said, he seems comfortable in his persona which is pretty unique for korean television. the only other celebrities i can think of who play gay are the eternal bro and hunk-thirsty foreign pansexuále jackson and "if i wore a wig you might think i am your actual aunt by blood" hong seok cheon -- heechul's role is a bit cattier, more fashionable (even though his fashion is not my taste), and edgy. in the end, the awkwardness of "this is a deliberate character" is reconciled by the feeling i get watching him that he actually kind of enjoys playing it up. 

 

meanwhile his off-screen life involves a lot of weird unexplained (and he seems to enjoy leaving it like that) meetings with the same boy who is apparently in charge of his hair and goes with him literally everywhere announced or unannounced.

 

that's because it IS somewhat fake. but many of us aren't going off of shallow fanservice-y attention grabs and even still there's just an AWFUL lot to reconcile with heechul in order to make "100% straight" make sense. it's possible, but it takes more mental gymnastics to explain than it does for kpop fans trying to work out the vague-if-present plotline of their bias's latest music video.

 

 

 

 

 

On 4/2/2017 at 1:05 PM, Leland22 said:

You literally quoted the post to you and Livia where I explained the point. Asking what the point is will not change that there is a point and that it was explained to you. *shrug*

 

I understand that you can't see the difference between essentially saying that something is impossible and, in instances, using something as an excuse to dismiss it but I can't help that as I've already explained it to you. For instance, a government may not deny that smog is possible but they may decide to call it something else or use varying definitions dismiss it at times or even on average. There is a difference. Again, If you're implying that we are seeing homosexual attraction/acts/tendencies that aren't there or are overestimating the frequency of them but are instead seeing what you deem to be mere closeness that is the product of their conditions (which you are) then yes, you are doing precisely what I've said that you are doing.

 

"Preaching to the choir" is a figure of speech.

 

1. How much of the thread have you read? Legitimately asking.

2. Again, asking what the point is will not change that there is a point and that it was explained to you lol. It is obvious that the point is that we already know and are taking steps to avoid this pitfall. In other words, we don't need your help to address something that is already being addressed.

3. So what exactly do you mean by groping? That word often has a sexual connotation so I'm curious.

 

In closing, most of us ignore the posters who do this or admonish them directly. The issue I have with your comment is that it feels more like a blanket statement and it really did feel condescending.

 

Edited February 10, 2022 by blackberry2000

[AfterglowVape]

Jisoo needs to fight me for him

 

Omo not the OP coming throo with some soft porn  ggnkjngfkjhgkj his veins that stick out like fuck so insanely sexy jkbdkjnbkgjnhkf

I haven't seen those shots since some time now. You've opened up a portal of feelings now.

 

  I'll fight you for him. My goodness he's so beautiful.

 

Does Jisoo have a nice body as well?

Ji Soo's thighs are thick as fuck sis

 

 

 

Kay. That's it, they're secretly not really a couple right? Bet they go to Homo Hill in Itaewon to have some fun.

IMAOOO

Homo Hill Itaewon *chokes* bet they have their own villa there to take a break in between shootings  to recuperate 

[blackberry2000]

On 4/2/2017 at 3:27 PM, EleanorofAquitaine said:

And you and the like please try to post more respectable opinions. Lets all try our best. That's all I have to say on the matter, have a nice day.

 

 

I thought that maybe you have something different to say, but no - it's still the same old rhetoric that's been posted on here by several people already. To sum it up: Jeonghan is ethereal his beauty transcends space, time and sexual orientations, SCoups is very attracted to him but also straight, that creates the Schrödinger's SCoups, who's straight but is into Jeonghan's inner goddess. 

 

Lmao, I don't even follow Seventeen but even I, thru the screen, see clear as a day that Jeonghan is a cis guy, and I'm pretty sure that Coups knows it too. So, if he is attracted, that just means he's into pretty boys. 

 

(also, you truly need to work on your manners. Don't ask me for my opinion, when you act silly and childish afterwards, or want to use the chance to get back at me for whatever reason, or because I don't agree with you. YOu can say what you want, but so far, all of my posts have remained respectful)

Edited February 10, 2022 by blackberry2000

[RedEggplant]

 

 

Now, put together a bunch of boys, make them spend pretty much every minute of the day together, with no contact with girls whatsoever, so that when puberty hits and their sexual drive is coming knocking at the door full force they will eventually turn to each other for some sort of release ( gay or straight).

 

 

 

[Aisling]

@ this thread:   

 

 

https://twitter.com/heechulfacts/status/848406207840763904
Omg gunhee being super cute waiting for heechul at the airport

 

Thank you, bless you, I love my dads 

[daehihi]

this thread is such a mess right now 

 

and this thread name is which male idols is gay ,not which idols that i think that have attraction to  women ,so can y'all stop ?

[Mysterymindme]

And you and the like please try to post more respectable opinions. Lets all try our best. That's all I have to say on the matter, have a nice day.

 

 

I thought that maybe you have something different to say, but no - it's still the same old rhetoric that's been posted on here by several people already. To sum it up: Jeonghan is ethereal his beauty transcends space, time and sexual orientations, SCoups is very attracted to him but also straight, that creates the Schrödinger's SCoups, who's straight but is into Jeonghan's inner goddess. 

 

Lmao, I don't even follow Seventeen but even I, thru the screen, see clear as a day that Jeonghan is a cis guy, and I'm pretty sure that Coups knows it too. So, if he is attracted, that just means he's into pretty boys. 

 

'Respectable' opinions?   O.O       ...wow.

 

Wow.

[ESSON]

Anyway, here's Ten and Jaehyun cuddling

 

[CottonCandyPrince(ss)JJong]

Gettin messy in here...

 

 

JFC when will people ever stop with their "nah they're totally straight, it's just that men are crazed sex beasts" argument? Not just here, but the number of times I've had to read that kind of bs with my own eyes...

 

And while I'm all for making a post or two to explain why you think a particular idol is bisexual instead of gay, I fail to see how making a bunch of posts about an idol's straightness is relevant to a gay thread at all.

 

And really, no matter what you're talking about, if you just keep reiterating the same arguments over and over, you're basically beating a dead horse. So maybe learn to let it go? If you've already explained your opinion once, then that's sufficient.

 

 

 

well, to THEM (and to people without dicks) it seems like no particular reason because they aren't used to having erections so regularly, but as you get used to being an adult you figure out how your D works and when / what kind of things cause erections.

 

but yeah they get erections all the time.

when you're in public at the center of attention you tend to not get them so easily, though it (obviously) still happens.

 

Ah, so it's just that they haven't really learned what exactly causes it or how to control it yet? Thanks for the explanation

 

 

Looks like I was right, gunheechul met in japan.

 

 

https://twitter.com/heechulfacts/status/848406207840763904
Omg gunhee being super cute waiting for heechul at the airport

 

[Mysterymindme]

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Edited June 14, 2017 by Mysterymindme

[25%Cotton]

Ah, so it's just that they haven't really learned what exactly causes it or how to control it yet? Thanks for the explanation

 

this isn't relevant anymore, but i just want to clarify that while we can try to focus our thoughts to influence them or avoid stimulation, we can't actually "control" them directly

 

Edited April 2, 2017 by 25%Cotton

[Leland22]

I mean that guys are usually much more upfront about their needs. For example, in ymy class we had many boys who would literally hump the desk, hump each other or grope each others front, sometimes for laughs, other times as a way of teasing, and most of them were straight guys.

Girls on the other hand never did any of that.

 

 Most of their interactions seem to get more "wild" in general - when they are teasing each other, there is often a violent aspect involved,verbal escalations often tend to get violent, they are simply more physical in most aspects.

 

(I will deffinitely read the article, but for now, I need to get some rest.)

 

No, of course not, a single touch doesn't make you gay, it's always the motivation behind it that has to be considered.(so of course a slap on the butt from Sehun will always be percieved in a much different way than say the same move from any straight male idol)

 

I get what you are saying 100 percent!

 

Heechul is absolutely wild and unpredictable, he enjoys being in front of the TV and entertaining others, but he values and shelters his private life like no other.

 

He is definitely comfortable in his own skin.

 

Basing your perceptions of someones sexuality on fanservice is not wrong in itself - I'm sure that most of us are old enough to be able to tell the difference between obviously fake bromance for the sake of fangirls and little details, that still betray a bit of truth.

 

As with all things, it's not always the things you say or do, but HOW you say or do them.

 

With Heechul ----- honestly, he truly NEVER pinged to me - not once.

 

(Ps: you would be surprised to know just how high the number of straight men watching gay porn truly is. Even more and more Hollywood actors bring this up, the reason so many men are turning to gay pron, even if they are straight, is that, for one, the sexual aact alone turns them on, and second, many comment how two men involved often seem to visibly enjoy IT more, wheras female porn stars don't. )

 

 Your first part has me confused.

 

You simply keep putting words into my mouth I never said. Honestly, I don't mean to sound rude, but I am honestly confused here.

 

Are idols more touchy feel with one another than the average Joe because of their living conditions? Yes. Does that mean they can't be gay? No.

End of story. I can't get any simpler than that.

 

1. I have read pretty much all of the thread throughout the years.

2. What?

3. I mean, that straight boys will often grope other straight boys bodyparts, either as a way of teasing or as sort of release for sexual tensions - and that it doesn't make them gay.

For example, there a lot of gifs of straight idols standing behind another on press conference and pressing their "junk" into the others behind.

A lot of boys in my class used to do that, or touch each others chest in fun, or out goof around in an overly sexy way, even humping each other for laughs.

 

But I really don't mean to come across as condestending; I have a matter of fact way of speaking, because I like to keep to the point. The other factor you have to consider is that I have to translate everything in my head first, which is somewhat stressful since I don't get the opportunity to use English much, which often causes me to lose track of the thought I just had.

I believe we'll have to agree to disagree. I will only address one part because of the factual nature of it.

 

"Your first part has me confused. You simply keep putting words into my mouth I never said. Honestly, I don't mean to sound rude, but I am honestly confused here. Are idols more touchy feel with one another than the average Joe because of their living conditions? Yes. Does that mean they can't be gay? No. End of story. I can't get any simpler than that."

-- For all intents and purposes you are putting words into your own mouth. Once again, I am not saying that you said anyone can't be gay. I am saying that you are attempting to use living conditions as an excuse to dismiss our theories on some people sometimes. The fact that you're doing that now does NOT mean that you think it's impossible for idols to be gay. I understand that there is a language barrier but I believe there has to be a degree of stubbornness for you to continue arguing this even after I clarified my statement.

[swimgood]

yall keep believing what you want doesn't change that heechul's out wildin in japan with a man who regularly posts pictures in bed with him

 

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[Aisling]

 

Some Minhyuk and Jooheon (X) 

Edited April 2, 2017 by Aisling

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[blackberry2000]

I believe we'll have to agree to disagree. I will only address one part because of the factual nature of it.

 

"Your first part has me confused. You simply keep putting words into my mouth I never said. Honestly, I don't mean to sound rude, but I am honestly confused here. Are idols more touchy feel with one another than the average Joe because of their living conditions? Yes. Does that mean they can't be gay? No. End of story. I can't get any simpler than that."

 

-- For all intents and purposes you are putting words into your own mouth. Once again, I am not saying that you said anyone can't be gay. I am saying that you are attempting to use living conditions as an excuse to dismiss our theories on some people sometimes. The fact that you're doing that now does NOT mean that you think it's impossible for idols to be gay. I understand that there is a language barrier but I believe there has to be a degree of stubbornness for you to continue arguing this even after I clarified my statement.

 

I am not using living condition as an excuse, but pointing out a valid point to all those who are quick to jump to conclusions at the mere sight of idols closeness. The majority of idols being comfortable with each other to a greater degree than most is a DIRECT result of said living conditions.

 

"I am saying that you are attempting to use living conditions as an excuse to dismiss our theories on some people sometimes."

 

You are saying it yourself here - on some people, sometimes - but not dismissing all of them as you kept saying.

 

I am telling you time and time again, how I don't think, and yet you keep putting those words into my mouth - that is not being stubborn, but correcting you.

 

 

Language barrier has nothing to do with it.

Edited April 2, 2017 by blackberry2000

[goldmine]

And you and the like please try to post more respectable opinions. Lets all try our best. That's all I have to say on the matter, have a nice day.

 

 

I thought that maybe you have something different to say, but no - it's still the same old rhetoric that's been posted on here by several people already. To sum it up: Jeonghan is ethereal his beauty transcends space, time and sexual orientations, SCoups is very attracted to him but also straight, that creates the Schrödinger's SCoups, who's straight but is into Jeonghan's inner goddess. 

 

Lmao, I don't even follow Seventeen but even I, thru the screen, see clear as a day that Jeonghan is a cis guy, and I'm pretty sure that Coups knows it too. So, if he is attracted, that just means he's into pretty boys. 

lmao you ought to become a comedian for this, funniest thing i've read all week

[blackberry2000]

This is a test, let's see if the gif will show up now.

 

edit: ok, it doesnt - this will need some more work it seems.

Edited April 2, 2017 by blackberry2000

[RedEggplant]

 

I thought that maybe you have something different to say, but no - it's still the same old rhetoric that's been posted on here by several people already. To sum it up: Jeonghan is ethereal his beauty transcends space, time and sexual orientations, SCoups is very attracted to him but also straight, that creates the Schrödinger's SCoups, who's straight but is into Jeonghan's inner goddess. 

 

 

I, too, can't deal with this logic. It's like people fail to realize that attraction to 'pretty guys' is not some sort of common reality between straight guys but already an indication of gay/bi tendencies.  It doesn't make sense to be straight and have this happening.

 

Admiration yes,  acknowledge of how someone is aesthetically pleasing yes, but sexual attraction ... ?

 

'Pretty boys' aren't some kind of magical creatures the straights make an "exception" for, contrary of what some fictional works may tell you. Being attracted to them makes up part of this person's orientation. Too many gender-bender dramas have been confusing people's heads. 

 

Oh, and I'm not confirming or negating anything about this particular Seventeen case, I know little about them.  I'm just talking about this logic. 

Edited April 2, 2017 by Lambari

[raspberry84]

I think the topic of the living conditions impact on the closeness between a group really depends on how old the members are and how long the group has been around.

 

I don't think living together is going to make two people close if they normally wouldn't be but I think it definitely speeds up the process. So it explains why most idol groups are really close pre-debut and during their first year or so. Most of their time is spent together, they're working towards the same goal and there is probably a lot of tunnel vision focused on the debut as a group during this time. But it also doesn't mean everyone living together is going to get along or feel comfortable around each other (look at Key and Minho from Shinee for example).

 

Usually as groups get older, get more freedom via cars or moving out, that impact of living together basically goes away. Then I think it's interesting and worth looking at who stays close in the group.

 

Also I don't think living together has an impact on how physical idols are. Some are physically affectionate people and some aren't. Again, it's interesting to see idols who normally aren't physically affectionate being physically close to only one member for example. Living together wouldn't cause that necessarily regardless of how long the group has been around.

[4D Whalien]

"Heechul is straight and Jeonghan is gay"

 

Isn't it reversed...

 

[bottomluhan]

sorry to spam this forum about jimin and jungkook, i never really saw their interactions as more than platonic before now so i'm having a bit of an eye opener lol—does anyone know what video this gif is from?

 

also this set, i'm assuming the subs are fake but it looks so perfectly like an award-winning sundance coming-of-age gay short film

somewhere here i believe, it was from asc though

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnlehceM_Mo

[insa]

Honestly, it's been a long time but I remember during ZE:A's debut days many in the fandom thought there was something between Hyungsik and Kevin. I don't know how I would feel if I looked at the commonly used "evidence" from back then nowadays but at the time, it didn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

 

I hope this isn't too blunt but when I see the name Heechul here, I make sure to skip the discussion. Not because I dislike him or have anything against him but just because we've been over this topic so many times and I think the majority have reached a general consensus.

 

Nah, it's not blunt. To be honest, i do know better but coming into this thread and seeing that for pages on end is beyond annoying.  

 

Could we all get back to our regular programming.

 

 

If you don't mind me casually commenting on this, while I honestly know very little about ZE:A I kinda... noticed? assumed? that Hyungsik seems to be on the further end of the not straight spectrum. I might check back into some of their earlier debut stuff myself if it's something people tend to believe that isn't just a ship trying to sail itself.