Which male idols do you think are gay?

[4D Whalien]

Writing essays because I actually care about the truth, rather than a portrayal that I for some reason want to think and 'ra ra' with everyone else about. Laughing my ass off. While you can only manage a few sentences. As I said before, the vast majority of straight idols do not talk about girls and girlfriends publicly as often as Heechul has. And Heechul has always said that honesty is very important to him. Obviously you don't know him well enough to know that.

Maybe he's trying to make a cover for himself? 

[Zamo]

Writing essays because I actually care about the truth, rather than a portrayal that I for some reason want to think and 'ra ra' with everyone else about. Laughing my ass off. While you can only manage a few sentences. As I said before, the vast majority of straight idols do not talk about girls and girlfriends publicly as often as Heechul has. And Heechul has always said that honesty is very important to him. Obviously you don't know him well enough to know that.

I agree with you on the Heechul stuff (I also think he's not 100% gay), but you have to understand that not everyone will agree with your opinion. At this rate, you're pratically forcing people to agree with you. You already wrote 4 different essays, we already got you point and some of us agree. The purpose of this thread is to discuss and post proof about male idols liking men and you're doing the exact opposite of it, makes no sense to me.

[Aisling]

Writing essays because I actually care about the truth, rather than a portrayal that I for some reason want to think and 'ra ra' with everyone else about. Laughing my ass off. While you can only manage a few sentences. As I said before, the vast majority of straight idols do not talk about girls and girlfriends publicly as often as Heechul has. And Heechul has always said that honesty is very important to him. Obviously you don't know him well enough to know that.

 

Bro you've made your point. Repeatedly. You can't make people agree with you. Let's just agree to disagree and move on, okay?

[Pyo Hyemi]

 

 

[neverever]

Care to explain? ...And elaborate?

 

You know what, people have a tendency to come off as rude, whether it’s an online thing or they really do behave like that IRL, I don’t know; if they’re not willing to have a discussion, just ignore it. And your comments do not come off as “oppa-is-straight†at all. As someone who’s not hugely really into kpop and lacks the “gaydayâ€, but have had a certain soft spot for Heechul since 2006 (no, not romantically), I believe that he does feel some sort of attraction towards women – whether that is romantic/sexual attraction and whether it’s enough for him to pursue an actual relationship, who knows. But I do think that the personality that he presents – and has done consistently through the years – totally supports his explanation that he really wanted to watch the movie and not be distracted. I remember him saying once  (or twice, and if I remember correctly, specifically in connection to other people like Han Geng/ Gunhee) something about him being rather selfish and standoffish in his younger years – he still has that selfish/self centred air about him – so yes, I think he kind of likes to have things his own way. However, having said all that, I think that as much as he may find girls pretty (even though he keeps saying that he’s the prettiest of them all) and maybe even have some kind of romantic interest in them, I believe that he’s come to terms with the possibility that Heechul + girlfriend is not compatible. I would say he likes to be admired, and I think he might’ve been more willing to get with a pretty girl if pretty girls in general (veeery generally) weren’t so intent on being the one admired. So my conclusion is … I don’t really have a conclusion, except maybe that his personality dictates a lot of what he does, and what he wants isn’t necessarily what he feels. If that makes sense. Anyways, discussions are what I visit this thread for, so don’t stop.

[Ayianna]

Hi everyone ! I know that some of you don't know me, but I only came here for real once. I said my opinion on BTS's sexuality, and 2 or 3 agreed with me by liking my post. But I'd like to post something else and ask you something.

Actually I searched a lot but didn't really find opinions on Monsta X's and iKon's sexuality. 

So, please, could you answer ? I didn't find anything interesting, and I'd like to have your opinions on these groups, and EVERY member, it would be awesome.

By the way thank you for replying if you do so. 

[annoyingwombat]

Hi everyone ! I know that some of you don't know me, but I only came here for real once. I said my opinion on BTS's sexuality, and 2 or 3 agreed with me by liking my post. But I'd like to post something else and ask you something.

Actually I searched a lot but didn't really find opinions on Monsta X's and iKon's sexuality. 

So, please, could you answer ? I didn't find anything interesting, and I'd like to have your opinions on these groups, and EVERY member, it would be awesome.

By the way thank you for replying if you do so. 

 

I don't know the members of iKon, but Monsta X, in order of suspicion:

 

Wonho - I'm like 99.9% sure he's bisexual

Minhyuk - a lot of people here think he's gay, but I think he's possibly bi

I.M, Hyungwon - these two are just strange

Shownu, Kihyun, Jooheon - Shownu seems straight but incredibly chilled out (so I wouldn't rule him out entirely), Kihyun I think is probably straight, and Jooheon is probably straight but is the object of both Minhyuk and Jackson's affections lmao 

Edited April 1, 2017 by annoyingwombat

[juu]

 

The chance of Heechul liking women is as likely as Jokwon liking women. Is that clear enough for people? Because people really don't seem to understand.

 

really? i feel like jo kwon plays in a league all by himself when it comes to being in the class closet lolol

i find the heechul discussion interesting, it's good to see some different opinions actually. i don't follow him or super junior so i don't know much about him

[재미아]

I don't know whats happening here but

 

Did hansol peck seungkwan? He went quite close thay his head nearly touched the ground...

 

https://twitter.com/meowrinfxnxty/status/848059043402756096

[Aisling]

 

 They cannot be stopped.

[gayyaoi]

what do yall think of jimin and seulgi's dating thing?

personally i think it's bullshit 

[Stigma]

what do yall think of jimin and seulgi's dating thing?

personally i think it's bullshit 

i agree. 'dating evidence' like couple clothes or lovestagrams honestly don't convince me at all. it all reeks of the money-grabbing ways of clickbaiting websites to me 

[Aisling]

Okay so this is kind of unrelated, but I thought it was an interesting insight. There's this new "boy group" in China that's actually made up of butch girls, called Acrush:

 

 

You can read the article here, but basically, they have a majority female fanbase like any other boy group, and this is how their agent described them: â€œA group advocating freedom, not bounded by frames†is Acrush’s distinguishing concept, Zhou says.

 

This next bit was the part that caught my attention:

 

21-year-old Lu, captain of Acrush, says some female fans send love letters to her, but “of course I won’t like fans back.†She says the company doesn’t allow her to discuss her own or her teammates’ sexual orientations.

 

I know this is China and not Korea, but I'd imagine the companies would have pretty much the same policy on this. So for anyone thinking idols can just come out whenever they want, that's obviously not the case if even such a progressive group (that would be appealing to their audience by coming out) can't do it yet. 

[Mysterymindme]

Bro you've made your point. Repeatedly. You can't make people agree with you. Let's just agree to disagree and move on, okay?

 

It's all of you who have been disrespecting me. Can you blame me for being frustrated? 

Besides, you yourself didn't have a problem re-bringing up the issue, but you want to censor me? Was it so wrong to have added an afterthought after a sufficient time gap, when the subject came up again?

 

I'm cryin

Also, I thought this was interesting. A girl Heechul acted with way back in the day talking about how awkward Heechul was kissing her:

 

 

Hmm, didn't seem to have any problem doing it here:

 

 

 

 

So, some of these moments are annoying/borderling offensive, but it's definitely interesting, and kind of answers that "Do Heechul's Knowing Bros castmates know?" question:

 

 

 

________________________

  Disrespecting me. . .

 

I'm sorry, but 

Pretty much

Use the search function for Heechul and read the thread.

Lmao okay. I'm done. I'll let someone else deal with you

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_________________

I agree with you on the Heechul stuff (I also think he's not 100% gay), but you have to understand that not everyone will agree with your opinion. At this rate, you're pratically forcing people to agree with you. You already wrote 4 different essays, we already got you point and some of us agree. The purpose of this thread is to discuss and post proof about male idols liking men and you're doing the exact opposite of it, makes no sense to me.

Forcing people to agree with me? I would have been fine with my first post, if people hadn't mocked it and completely disregarded it. Sure didn't seem like anyone was agreeing then.

 

Maybe he's trying to make a cover for himself? 

"As I said before, the vast majority of straight idols do not talk about girls and girlfriends publicly as often as Heechul has." 

Thus he could cover for himself just as well, or better, by not bringing it up all the time.

 "And Heechul has always said that honesty is very important to him. Obviously you don't know him well enough to know that."

This is what I meant by saying what he says isn't necessary for cover, like seven times now, but people still go ahead and respond like this: 

 "You really think an idol interested in having an active entertainment career with a major company in conservative South Korea, who is persistently rumored to be gay, has no real reason to pretend to be attracted to women in national broadcasts and publications in said country? Really?

All the things you posted as evidence are all clips from variety shows or media interviews marketed toward the general public, where there is a high incentive to fake attraction to women and leave a trail of plausible deniability with little effort. Where are the off camera interactions with women that would hint at any romantic interest?"

 What are you looking for, a 2nd-hand story? Nearly all our evidence for considering idols as gay comes from camera and interview.

 

 

Yeah.

Edited April 1, 2017 by Mysterymindme

[Pyo Hyemi]

 

 

[chunghastan]

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Edited September 14, 2020 by chunghastan

[EleanorofAquitaine]

what do yall think of jimin and seulgi's dating thing?

personally i think it's bullshit 

about as legit as Sehun and Irene

[CALICO CAT]

what do yall think of jimin and seulgi's dating thing?

personally i think it's bullshit 

 

 

they get shipped because "they're both charming main dancers" wich is fine but also as random as you can get

Edited April 1, 2017 by You Never Walk Alone

[25%Cotton]

It's all of you who have been disrespecting me. Can you blame me for being frustrated? 

Besides, you yourself didn't have a problem re-bringing up the issue, but you want to censor me? Was it so wrong to have added an afterthought after a sufficient time gap, when the subject came up again?

________________________

  Disrespecting me. . .

 

_________________

Forcing people to agree with me? I would have been fine with my first post, if people hadn't mocked it and completely disregarded it. Sure didn't seem like anyone was agreeing then.

 

"As I said before, the vast majority of straight idols do not talk about girls and girlfriends publicly as often as Heechul has." 

Thus he could cover for himself just as well, or better, by not bringing it up all the time.

 "And Heechul has always said that honesty is very important to him. Obviously you don't know him well enough to know that."

This is what I meant by saying what he says isn't necessary for cover, like seven times now, but people still go ahead and respond like this: 

 "You really think an idol interested in having an active entertainment career with a major company in conservative South Korea, who is persistently rumored to be gay, has no real reason to pretend to be attracted to women in national broadcasts and publications in said country? Really?

All the things you posted as evidence are all clips from variety shows or media interviews marketed toward the general public, where there is a high incentive to fake attraction to women and leave a trail of plausible deniability with little effort. Where are the off camera interactions with women that would hint at any romantic interest?"

 What are you looking for, a 2nd-hand story? Nearly all our evidence for considering idols as gay comes from camera and interview.

 

 

Yeah.

i can understand that you're frustrated, but you're basically arguing with a brick wall. not everyone in this thread is polite.

 

you also have a tendency to respond to every once and you are rather clingy with your beliefs about heechul. i don't find you delusional, but you seem rather tied to the concept of him being interested in women, when honestly everything about his interest in women seems circumstantial at best to me. i think it's possible he's bi, but his interest in women from what i've seen doesn't seem much more than a gay dude who likes pretty things. you might be surprised how much a guy can like women, fashion, and even boobs and lingerie but still be gay and not interested in them sexually. almost like how some straight men have this weird inexplicable obsession with cock that even some gay men can't compare to. 

 

anyway, please use your own discretion when picking battles -- obviously if someone is being a dumbass, there isn't any value pulling out arguments from them even if you could. responding over and over again is just going to frustrate you and make the person you're trying to argue with feel even more justified. 

 

in the end, we're not even here to change people's views necessarily, just to present our own and absorb other people's insight into our own -- so arguing with people over each point you disagree with you isn't really necessary.

Edited April 1, 2017 by 25%Cotton

[aliceninelovegazette]

WTF?? KNK is seriously on another level lmao

It's just heejun and his undeniably desire to be a winner.. He would do anything--almost sold his phone for candy on halloween game?--to win, including 'popping' his member's ball ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

 

I have thought about knk tho but it's heavy shipping material so i'll just shut up..

Edited April 1, 2017 by aliceninelovegazette

[Tourmaline]

Heechul? he doesn't look interested

[Ringo]

Gotta say I disagree for Heechul. Into women as well as men. Here we go again:

 

 

 

 

     It astonishes me that you think the rest of the quote is unimportant. Did you read my analysis of it? Did you not see the hashtags #thereasonwhyidonthaveagirlfriend #shouldistopgamingtofindagirlfriendorshouldifindagirlfriendtostopgamingâ€?

 

Just in my 3 explanation posts, there have been three examples of Heechul acting interested in/ attracted to women— in the ‘Heechul Can’t Be Tamed’ cut, the applying Dara’s lipstick with his finger clip, and playing Of Course with Chayeon— I wasn’t even trying. Yes, Of Course is evidence because he was so obviously flirting with her. How can you say him saying that he’s pretty is evidence against that? Being a ‘pretty-boy’ is his asset to attracting woman, and he was using it (as he has used in other interactions). He didn’t need to take that approach. He could have won the game easily by simply insulting her, as he did with the previous older woman.

     And what about the War of Words video? Lying?

     What about the articles where Heechul is talking about his girlfriends? And it was a mistranslation, you say, that Heechul said “If I get a girlfriend, I tell my members. It’s to make sure that I don’t overlap with them.â€?

     What about the Golden Fishery and Heechul Can’t Be Tamed videos I showed, where Heechul talks about girlfriends and what attracts him about women? 

     Why would Heechul keep saying ‘I need a girlfriend’ when he could just quietly pretend he has a girlfriend?

 

Lastly: you know how honest Heechul proclaims himself to be and how much he doesn’t give a shit for people’s opinions. What purpose would he have to lie on and on about wanting girlfriends, about what he finds attractive in women, about past girlfriends, etc. when he could just not talk about it and avoid the issue? Most straight idols haven’t talked so. . . extensively as he has on those topics.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKYQ1z77BN0

 

 

I mean, Minhyuk x Heechul on Weekly Idol was brought up here, but remember that Momo still won with highest heart rate (by holding his hands and saying ‘Nico Nico Ni’ as opposed to rubbing all over him).

 

 

 

Flirting with female guests on Knowing Bros. 

 

 

Interchange with a woman he may have had some romantic involvement with in the past while they did a drama together.

 

 

 

 

I've followed Heechul for years and literally none of what you've said is new to me. I'm going to make this brief because you seem to have already made up your mind completely and there would be little point to continuing the discussion in circles.

 

The quote- again, unimportant. I disagree with your conclusion of it. Do you really believe sticking in the word "girlfriend" everywhere makes him straight?

 

In the Of Course game, he also insulted the poor girl by asking "are you happy to be in the same [weight] class as Ho Dong?" but anyway, I think you have a serious misconception about flirting. You can flirt with someone without being attracted to them at all. I do it constantly. People do it back. Completely harmless, completely meaningless. Heechul flirts and teases because he has a playful personality, especially on variety. You can't seriously believe he's interested in every person he flirts with. By that logic, all of kpop is bisexual with the amount of playful teasing and flirting going on.

 

Again, Heechul is blunt and straightforward, but the fact is, he is a Korean idol. By the nature of his job and society he lives in, he cannot speak or act completely freely. What's the easiest way for any idol to divert gay rumors? Talking about girls or past girlfriends. Some even do contractual dating. Idol life is built on lies. And again, it is possible he dated a woman in the past, but so do many gay men before realizing they are gay.

 

If you want to think he's bi, that ain't my business, but I'm not sure why you're so adamant about convincing everyone of it. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Yoonability]

Could somebody elaborate on why they think Jimin from BTS is gay? I flicker between believing he's interested only in men or not (his crush on JK certainly seemed very physical) but I actually believe he's into cuter, younger girls as well. He loves to play up the oppa shtick. Also I saw someone say there are pictures floating around of him with an ex gf. Not that that proves anything definite, but I see him more as bisexual rather than gay.

[bottomluhan]

Could somebody elaborate on why they think Jimin from BTS is gay? I flicker between believing he's interested only in men or not (his crush on JK certainly seemed very physical) but I actually believe he's into cuter, younger girls as well. He loves to play up the oppa shtick. Also I saw someone say there are pictures floating around of him with an ex gf. Not that that proves anything definite, but I see him more as bisexual rather than gay.

i believe bisexual more than gay. he's shown attraction to women before (ex. ahl, in the early days in rookie king where he talked about his unrequited crush for a girl in his class) and many rumors of him dating around with other female idols (not necessarily seulmin but i believe some of them to be true) i don't see why he would be seen as 100% gay. i think his attraction goes 60/40 and jungkook was an example of him showing attraction to another boy

[Tee]

Messy ass.

 

 

such a mess! Ugh! Edited April 1, 2017 by Tee