Which male idols do you think are gay?

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We should be getting a new BTS album soon and that means more notes / information about the HYYH universe.

Anyone wanna make predictions on where they're gonna go with Yoongi and Jungkook's characters? I feel like the last set of notes did a lot to imply that at least Yoongi's feelings toward Jungkook were romantic and I'm curious if they're gonna continue that narrative.

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Taemin is a confusing one and I can never really figure him out.

Honestly, some of his interactions with Jimin has come off as flirty and his friendship with Kai has been suspect at time.

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Tae's yearly dance, Yoongi and his hand-holding kink and some random cuteness. Enjoy!

 

 

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Cause I'm already getting clowned for a pretty standard post I decided to add a few more in :)

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2 hours ago, ribbonribbon said:

I am not sure if this fit the topic but this is so cute

https://mobile.twitter.com/winterjonghyun/status/1210947887560921089

I do believe at least at one point there had been mutual attraction between KB and JH.

 

I think a lot of people here share the belief that something was going on between the two. I personally get the feeling that they were in a relationship, especially when you take the ring Jonghyun gave Key, his IG post about it and how he continues to wear it to this day. Key's song lyrics have also painted their relationship in a romantic way IMO.

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I've said this multiple times before but I don't get why people think it's impossible for idols to have crush or attractions to other members.

It's super common for people to catch feelings for people they work with and even date. Roughly 15% of people report to meeting their significant other via work so that's pretty damn high and that's only counting the people who started a public relationship. That doesn't touch on people who have crushes or attractions.

It makes sense because those are the people you spend the majority of your time with and I think almost everyone I know has a story of a co-worker they were into or dated.

So when you take idols that basically work AND live together...look, crushes are gonna happen. Those are probably far, far more likely than any idols within a group dating but I get the feeling one-sided crushes or attractions are pretty damn common. Especially when you factor in the skinship is encouraged. Like that shit will mess with your head.

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Taehyung and Jimin are confusing.

I feel like they're platonic soulmates and super close but also like...I wouldn't be shocked if there was also an attraction there.

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Real talk but what is going on with the neg lately?

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Just now, Gerimolda said:

The confirmed Heechul & Momo? Someone tell me this is a joke

I'm side eyeing the fuck out of this.

Tinhat time but I wonder if it was suppose to be Nayeon but since her stalker was literally on a plan and trying to get to her when the news dropped...it would make sense why there was such a big delay and then we get this weird couple. Everyone was expecting a couple and people were finding it really suspicious they it hadn't dropped yet.

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Like I said, the delay happening as he was on the plane with her and how they kept pushing it back an hour...it makes me feel like they were delaying and assessing the situation.

Whether or not they are really dating is secondary. I don't think this was the original couple. Going forward we'll see how this plays out and that'll help me determine if i think it's real or not.

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12 minutes ago, Tixy said:

Dispatch didn't reveal this one though, and the outlet that did successfully broke the story about another couple in the past. I wasn't sure what to think of it the first time, but when I saw that it's the same outlet going for it again, I was leaning way more on them being 100% sure that the two are dating, and maybe just not having the solid proof the first time around. Truly, there is no reason for agencies to discuss for 10 hours with their talent whether they are dating or not; they are discussing if it would be possible to deny it based on what kind of receipts the outlet might have.

Publicity and bearding theories will ensue, but just remember that idols lose a ton more than gain by dating openly, especially in a scenario where they are dating a senior who is older by 13 years. Also, K-ELFs are absolutely insane and don't want men who are in their mid-30's to date or marry, and ONCEs and often called ONCELs for a reason. I don't think that Heechul is totally straight for the record, but I do think that he prefers women.

Throwing it out there but bearding does happen and usually requires the two faking a relationship. It's why people in Hollywood use to actually marry each other.

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1 minute ago, seashells said:

I don't think it's bearding. I think Heechul is getting older and has had to suffer quit a bit. As someone who also had to grieve profusely, it wouldn't surprise me if this started up after Sulli. 

This is one of the reasons why I'm not fully convinced it's fake. Losing someone you were close to has a huge impact on people and everyone responds to that differently.

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1) Yikes at this bi-erasure. I questioned the relationship simply because of the whole stalker relationship, not because I thought it was impossible for Heechul to date a girl. Not to mention the fact that Heechul seemed to have a boyfriend, not that Momo is a girl.

2) Can we not with this "Heechul is a predator" thing because he's dating another consenting adult. It's nagl.

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2 minutes ago, anxiety said:

I am literally a gay guy lmfao, not everyone who laughs at you guys is a homophobic straightie. 

Also it's a little ironic that you say people are dying so we should focus on lore important things while simultaneously writing essays on why someone is gay lol. Also my life is full enough that I'm a gay guy who can stan male idols without worrying about whether or not they're gay so i can relate to them cause i have more things about me than my sexuality, sad not everyone has that.

Are you really going to be that person who insults other members of their community because you don't personally get anything out of representation.

You can have a full, successful life and still need and appreciate representation in your media. Stop looking down on other members of the LGBT community and thinking you're better cause representation isn't important to you.

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11 minutes ago, anxiety said:

I didn't say representation isn't important to me but forcing a sexuality on someone who either hasn't said anything about their sexuality or outright denies being gay isn't representation. There are many openly gay celebrities in the world who are proud and visibly gay so if you want actual representation go stan them.

 

You said, and I quote, "Also my life is full enough that I'm a gay guy who can stan male idols without worrying about whether or not they're gay so i can relate to them cause i have more things about me than my sexuality, sad not everyone has that."

So stop with the backtracking, right there you said it was sad for people to care about whether or not their favorites idols were part of the same community.

Even here you're saying that if we want "gay representation" we should go elsewhere to stan openly LGBT artists...which is weird, like you're acting like LGBT artists are this niche genre and if we want representation we should go there for it. If you are a fan of kpop and listen to kpop then it makes sense to want that representation in kpop since that is some of the media you consume.

Edit: Also just saw your comment about how most LGBT people think we're insane...hun, I don't know who the fuck you hang out with but I don't have a single LGBT friend who I haven't heard speculate about some celebs sexuality. Honestly, kinda weirder if you haven't.

Although since your "sexuality doesn't define you" and don't take issue with insulting people from your own community for wanting representation, you probably aren't big into the actual LGBT community.

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Just now, anxiety said:

I said i don't worry about which male idols are gay not that I don't care about representation at all don't twist my words. Aside from the fact that there are openly gay kpop idols and in korean music as a whole even though not a lot. Your last point makes no sense, I never said that lgbt artists are a niche genre and you should only stan them because they're lgbt. My point was of representation is so important to you that you spend hours speculating about a stranger's sexuality then maybe it would serve you better to go stan someone who you know is gay so you can get the representation you desperately need.

Honestly no offence but if you can't enjoy a form of media without there being someone to represent you than maybe you need to find other important things about yourself than your sexuality cause that's kind of sad. You don't hear black kpop stans leaving kpop cause there are no black people and if you think that sounds ridiculous that's exactly how you sound.

Correction, there is one active idol who is openly gay and that's Holland. Someone who gets talked about here alot. Also no one is spending hours speculating, most people post here once a day or less. That's a small amount of time commenting on idols that they are interested to or to comment on things they found was suspect. You're the one taking time to come here and tell us we're sad because we speculate and look for representation in the media we consume. 

Your "black kpop fans" thing also shows your kinda out of touch with minority groups and discussions of representation. There have been many, many discussions about representation in kpop, cultural appropriation and racism within the industry by black kpop fans. It's a pretty active, engaging and interesting discussion if you would ever take the opportunity to listen to it. Not to mention a lot of talk about how heavily it draws on their music but wouldn't be accepting of black artists in KPop so...maybe find a better analogy.

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2 minutes ago, anxiety said:

Alright you're intentionally misrepresenting what i'm saying so i'm kind of done here. I said there are no black people in kpop (obviously) the keyword there was people. I never said anything about a lack of black culture in kpop but showing culture is not the kind of representation we're talking about. But no black kpop stan is out here begging for a black kpop idol like you guys so desperately need a gay one. 

You're really gonna double down on that super bad analogy?

Edit: Why do I feel like this is a breath away from getting super racist...

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4 hours ago, Mystica_ said:

LOL at those who are insisting that heechul is GAY although he confirmed his relationship with Momo.

I think those persons are no different than homophobics! Both are enforcing their beliefs on the other sides.

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heechul is a gay-friendly guy! He had his own moments with his friends/bromances and i think those moments were cute and still cute (wether with Gunhee or Hankyung)

you guys need to go out of your fantasyland for once and learn how to respect Idols (humans) and their decisions of whom they date rather than keep speculating they are (still not gay) in your opinion!

same thing happned when news media announced Kai was dating Krystal/ Jennie. Kaiso shippers suddenly made hate pages on tumblr bashing krystal / and others for Jennie. Like WTF? Should he just break up with the girl he has chosen in order to match your delusional dream?

 

7 hours ago, pinkpanda_spirit said:

okay I came here bcs people talked about this thread, Ibwas only going to read but I need to reply to this post: heechul has been dating women and seen at clubs with them since debut. it's nothing new! everyone knows about this, even his fellow celebs talk about it openly (only after he and his group became big seniors in the industry tho) so I really don't get how you think this dating news was made only to hush the gay rumors. can't y'all accept the fact that he is straight? is that so hard for you? even if he says with his own mouth that he is 100% straight and that he never dated dudes and used this only for his tv character I'm pretty sure you guys  will keep saying "no he is lying, he just wanna protect himself!1". like man... these idols really can't catch a break

Bisexuality and pansexuality are actual things.

Heechul dating Momo, going on the assumption that it's real, only shows that he is attracted to females. It does not show that he isn't also attracted to men.

So one, please don't compare speculation that someone might be gay, bi, pan, etc. to people who use their institutionalized power to discriminate against, attack and kill LGBT people. It's super, super vile.

And two, we live in a world where coming out can be dangerous and put our careers at risk. If you ask my co-workers, I'm 100% straight and have stated that. It's a full out lie but one I have to make to protect my job because I can be fired in my state for being a lesbian. So no, public statements don't mean much when we live in a homophobic society. So bringing that very real, very relevant fact into a discussion is not delusional. It's realistic. 

Some of y'all are forgetting your history and it shows.

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6 minutes ago, skelten said:

here comes the bts shipping arguments again 

sigh

 

Can we not with this never-ending trend of someone posting something shippy and then a multiple posts complaining about something shippy being posted. It's such a waste of time and effort and actual posts always get lost in the mix.

If you don't like a post because you find it shippy, give it a reaction and move on.

Or better, post something that you think is on topic for thread.

Also no one was arguing, someone posted their speculation and two people responded respectfully about why they disagreed and didn't think anything should be read into it. Nothing worth complaining about tbh.

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2 minutes ago, Gerimolda said:

Yeah and the lighting in the video is quite dark so you can't even see half the things that happen.

 

 

 

 

Do I have to believe that this doesn't look like they nutted all over him??

 

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The fact that so many fans wish with all their hearts that Donghae was in this video is really nasty. Screenshots with Donghae photoshopped, doing mental gymnastics to connect the video to Donghae, saying that this proof that Eunhae is real... Many fangirls don't care if he wants to express his sexuality or his personal struggles, they only care about their ship. 

I would say this is the gayest and most explicit thing ever in kpop. The part when he puts on lipstick with a daring look on his eyes... The vcr is very pornographic but also is trying to tell something more deep about sexuality. This is one of the bravest things and it makes me angry when I think of all the things like this that we are missing because of censorship and homophobia.

I always set my expectations low when people say that something is explicitly gay but damn...there is no heterosexual explanation for this.

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13 minutes ago, one-hoe wonho said:

i definitely see a string of saliva, but fuck that's gross. i HATE seeing saliva strings it literally makes my body shiver lol

Which probably means he kinda spit on his ear when he was whispering. Ew.

I mean, spit or no spit, I don't think there was anything sexual or sensual about that interaction.

Jungkook in general is really physical and was basically the baby of the group since he joined so young. I think that's made him way more physically affectionate with the others and them more receptive to it. It's the dynamic of him being the youngest, not that he wants to bang all of them.

Like I'm convinced Jungkook is queer but he also identifies the other members so much as family I would actually be surprised if he was into or attracted to any of them tbh.

Edit: Actually, I take that back. I wouldn't be shocked if Jungkook initially had a crush on Namjoon cause that whole thigh comment was suspect. 

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29 minutes ago, Hanatan said:

I've lurked in this thread for a long time but it has become pretty confusing lately; people getting excited over an idol wearing a rainbow stage outfit and making really wild and unlikely theories about beards and what not but going all lol bro being bros over those bts boy tonging each other ears (it got me pretty ???)

Maybe that's why you guys are getting side tracked a lot (ex heechul) you put a lot of weight on really speculative stuff or rather project on idols that are seemingly very expressive without considering cultural differences that might come to play in this 

I would bet my right arm that a lot of idols that are written off as straight here because they are (rightfully) more reserved about sharing songs from their fav lgbt artist or lgbt book or movie, or are less likely to share pics a selca of them sleeping with their significant other on sns; are more likely to be gay than you think and I'm saying this from my own experience, see I'm in the closet and i have hard time imagining myself posting about lgbt media whereas my straight friends do that on the regular, add to that them being korean idols 

Now I'm not saying that there are not idols who on the contracry take advantage of korea heteronomativity to proclaim their gayness and go off the radar but the stakes are high and i have no doubt that most of them are expert are passing off as straight

What I'm trying to say is it's better to make speculation about more substantial stuff, for exemple physical attraction, the body language of attraction is universal it can't lie.

 

I've always said you should look for the extremes in the case of fanservice, rainbows, supporting queer artists, etc.

There are some idols who definitely go above and beyond (Key and Jo Kwon come to mind) and that's why they stand out. On the flip side, there are probably idols who are queer but pull away from all of that and we have no idea.

Or you have cases like Yoongi where his lyrics are definitely suspicious (the hong kong line, his verse in Spring Day being about a male, etc.) but was pretty against any fanservice despite being a physically affectionate person (ie likes to hold hands). And just personally, the fact that he tends to only do fanservice with Hobi and Tae (during different time periods) has also made me raise an eyebrow.

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55 minutes ago, Hanatan said:

I 100% agree with dissmissing things like rainbows or listening to lgbt artists unless it's pretty damning, for exemple i listened to frank ocean for a long ass time but i only knew recently that he was gay

As for suga, i don't really follow bts but he is mentioned here a lot so i have a pretty good idea on him and i personally dont think he is queer essentially because last year i think?? someone posted him saying bluntly that his heart doesnt flutter for men and in this case i take his word for it over other admittingly pretty sus stuff he said because if we take in consideration his lyrics or his interview he wouldn't be the kind of gay to lie about things like that or mislead people to take him off his case rather than that he seems pretty honest and straightforward, he gives me that impression at least; someone who is like that's me without gimmecks or illusions take it or leave it; so i have a hard time imagining him saying that without meaning it 

People put way to much weight on that quote that is two and a half years old and is the only time he's ever said something along those lines. Also context wise, the question had asked them to say "what charm about this member makes your heart flutter" and Yoongi was given Hobi (who he arguably had a crush on at the time). Considering that was one comment in seven years of the group being active, I'm not putting any weight on it.

On top of that, Yoongi never wanted to be an idol or in the group. He originally only wanted to be a producer for BH but got talked into joining BTS when it was a hip-hop group. Like, he was even promised they would never have to dance (which is hilarious considering that is something they're known for now).

The point of that is Yoongi has always been private and not really about the idol lifestyle. He's also tended to be more honest and blunt in his lyrics then in interviews (for example, he has a song that condemns mandatory enlistment and refers to having to enlist in the army as a death sentence but isn't vocal about that in interviews).

And even ignoring all of the above, there isn't a queer person out there who hasn't said they were straight or that they weren't attracted to the same sex at some point in their life. 

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23 hours ago, rosestarr said:

You can all 100% choose to believe this or not, as I have no real proof to back it up other than my word but: I met a girl from kr recently who is a friends with a friend of Headliner and other sasaengs in SK and told me some tea on BTS. Nothing bad at all, no criminal activities or anything don't worry lol. Obviously I'm not going to say everything because it's secret and I feel would be unfair to the boys to put out there on the internet. But the thing I will say is that I was 10000000% sure t*ehyung was FULLY gay like...so much so, the lyrics in stigma to his love of queer artists, but lets just say boy is bi at most... j*min as well... I'm still in shock those 2 felt like gay bffs to me lol they still might be bi but... they def have no problem with ladies if you know what i mean

 

I'm like still in shock tbh i was SO sure I feel my gaydar is so strong

I highly, highly doubt it.

Sasaengs keep their information close to the chest and don't share it outside of their little circle.

The fact that this came from a friend of a friend of one...she was probably bullshitting you

Was there anything she told you that 100% convinced you she was honest?

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17 minutes ago, rosestarr said:

Yes, and she showed me some images but I rather not say what those other things are. I know they're tightly guarded, because she hangs with them all when she flies back. to KR so they trust her. But I'm just going to end the conversation here because I'm feeling guilty having said anything. At the end of the day no one knows but the members themselves.

Saesang images float around twitter all the time and they're pretty easy to snag and they tend to be what fake saesangs use to pass themselves off as real. Hell, even I have a few in my twitter dms that I could use as receipts. People act like they're tightly guarded but when you know the right people they're pretty easy to find.

Also your story is kinda changing. You originally said you met a girl who was a friend of a friend of saseang (meaning she's not even friends with the saesang's friend) and now suddenly she's in tight with the saesangs. 

Maybe she's telling the truth but I'm calling 100% bullshit. When something starts with "a friend of a friend told me..." 99.9% of the time it's made up.

Edit: Especially if she used receipts from Headliner because that one is a mess and some of her stuff has leaked.

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10 minutes ago, rosestarr said:

It's kind of confusing because she's not like FRIENDS friends with them but they've gone to events together you know? so I said a friend of a friend. But yes true to all the above, Headliner definitely has a strong hatred for a lot of the members so its all sketchy

Last reply about this but she might be at official events that they're at and know them (a lot of people involved in going to fanmeets or big events know what saesangs/fansites look like. Especially Headliner, who got noticed by American fans at award shows and concerts) but that doesn't mean she's part of their inner circle. Honestly, a lot of saesangs run fansites (like Headliner) and their main focus at official events is getting good images and videos because they make money off of it. They're working at those events basically.

They're not standing around and gossiping with friends of friends. Honestly, that would be a real quick and easy way for real information to spread everywhere.

More often then not people like to claim to be in the know and, as others already mentioned, repeat the same rumors that have been circulating for years.

 

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