Which male idols do you think are gay?

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1 hour ago, zagala said:

What do you all think about Taehyung and Jimin relationship?

I have seen many consused things between each other, I know that they are bestfriends but there are some things that go beyond friendship imo.. and I am not talking about fanservice acts.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they messed around at some point but they scream platonic soulmates to me.

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30 minutes ago, zagala said:

well, i am free to post it here if i want, the same that i am free to send a pm to whoever asks about it if i want.

i am quoting messages from other users, it not like i am posting statements one by one...

If you wouldn't mind, send it to me as well.

With that said, if it was an officially released video I don't really understand why you feel uncomfortable posting it here

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1 minute ago, zagala said:

user like the one above who is probably a Taekook shipper for what i have read, are the reason for what i dont want to post things here.

 i dont care if you ship taekook, jikook, or vmin, not my business, if you ask nicely i dont have a problem sharing with you things even if you a shipper from another pair and,¡ whether if you agree with my point of view or not, but shippers who come to me rudely, discrediting what i am saying only because its not convenient for their narrative, sorry but i dont have patience to deal with them... so said this, yes, i will send to you the video because you were respectful

It just isn't the norm on how this thread operates. You talked about the video and what happened in detail, obviously people are going to be interested in seeing it. By refusing to post it here and keeping it in DMs just ends any conversation about it. There are also a number of people who read this thread but rarely comment. This is preventing them from seeing something unless they to request it.

If everyone operated this way then nothing would be posted in this thread and it would mostly turn into posts of people asking for videos to be sent to them.

If it's a public video available for everyone to watch and officially released, there is zero reason it shouldn't be posted here. Not everyone is going to agree. That is ok. Since the vast majority of idols discussed here aren't out nothing is concrete and differing opinions will always exist.

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9 minutes ago, zagala said:

I just described a moment between them, I am not obligated to post any video, first because i could have that video or not...i have read many times this thread and i know how it operates, i have read many rumours about idols here without any type of proof, what i am stating are not rumours, are things that you can confirm by yourself and form an opinion about it.

there are many ways to ask for a video, some are nice, some are not

The video you sent me was an official vlive that is still posted on youtube and vlive. There isn't a reason to withhold it except for the fact that you don't want people to disagree with you.

And no, you are not obligated to share or post videos but saying you'll DM it some members and not others isn't the best way to handle the situation.

With that said, if anyone is interested this it they vlive they is talking about:

(Full vlive is here)

I personally didn't see anything super suspect in any of their interactions in this clip myself. It did, however, remind me that Yoongi kept trying to hold hands in this vlive.

Edited October 26, 2019 by raspberry84

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Just now, zagala said:

i dont have to handle anything, i am free to send whoever i want what i have, what is ugly is that you post a video that i send you via pm just to discredit whatever you want to discredit...

i dont care if you disagree or not, i could have expected that knowing that you are another Taekook shipper, however, i send you the video... obviously, i was wrong

This will be my last response but please do not assume anyone who disagrees with your opinion is only doing so because they are a "shipper" like you suggested here. I enjoyed Taekook as a ship a few years back (hence my badge) but I never believed anything was actually going on with them.

Anyone who has been around this thread long enough knows the only speculation I have within BTS is that I believe Yoongi and Tae both, respectively, had feelings for Hobi at different points in time and that I find Tae and Yoongi to have suspicious interactions (primarily on Yoongi's side). I also understand those are my opinions, lots of people aren't going to agree and that it's all speculation at the end of the day.

I also did nothing wrong by posting a video that was discussed in this thread so other users would have context for the discussion. That video is a public youtube video, one that has actually been watched and discussed in here before. You made the choice not to share it, that doesn't mean other's can't make a different choice than you.

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6 minutes ago, Melany said:

actually im kind of interested in analysing yoongi sexuality, i would like to know your opinion on him. I personaly think he is bisexual

On a side not vmin seem liked (in the past) friends with bennefits, i don't think there is feelings, i wouldn't be surprised yoongi, tae and jimin (the non straight line, i think they are all bisexuals) experienced with each other. But with no romance in between

Yoongi is interesting when we take lyrics into consideration.

His verse in Spring Day was written about another guy and those lyrics can definitely be read as romantic. And I know we've talked about how Seesaw seems to be directed towards another male (although not explicitly). I really can't wait til we get a new solo or mix tape from him.

Honestly I lean towards gay at this point for Tae and Yoongi and bi for Jimin. 

Jungkook also strikes me as a baby gay and sometimes I wonder if that long tweet that Yoongi sent to Taehyung and Jungkook was in reference to that (although that is PURE speculation)

Edited October 26, 2019 by raspberry84

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Also I got distracted and never posted my thought's on Key's lyrics that I found suspect.

Putting them behind a cut because [Trigger Warning] they do discuss Jonghyun's death and speculation on their relationship prior to that. I get that speculation about their relationship is still really, really touchy and not everyone is comfortable discussing it so please keep responses under spoiler cuts.

Spoiler

I think I Will Fight is clearly about Jonghyun and the reference to the "red line" connecting them stands out to me.

He also seems to reference Jonghun as being a star, just like in the SHINee You & I song he wrote. Both songs also reference holding hands or his touch.

I really do feel like the two where in a relationship at the time of Jonghyun's death and Key seems to have alluded to this as much as possible without actually confirming it.

 

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1 hour ago, Melany said:

But it was all spontaneous and he looked geniously interested in her, that didn't seem an act, i doubt it was planned. Same with tae, not really, i didn't see him acting the same way with any female host. No, flirting and get shy with a host isn't part of being an idol, flirting with fans is. You gain absolutely nothing from flirting with a random mc. Tbh i mostly see the change of their musics more for the western side, its all business even in the interview only yoongi and rm seem to participate in the discussion of the "woke" side. The other are mostly like "aheum???", they look like they want to go home.

It's funny how many people erase the possibility of being bisexual

 

I don’t think it’s people trying to erase the possibility of him being bisexual, it’s just people reading that situation differently than you.

I lean towards Yoongi being gay but will admit that is evidence to suggest that he might be bisexual. Honestly he’s probably one of the trickiest to get a feel for.

 I just don’t include this moment as one of those pieces of evidence. Personally I think they were all expecting someone younger and their reaction was to her age.

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11 minutes ago, Melany said:

no, most of people here like to divide into 2 categories, straight or gay. Pretty sure if those were men, it would be imediatly took as a gay evidence, and how yoongi is thirsting on him. His mouth started to get wet when she came. But anyway, straight stans likes to neglect same gender attraction and gay stans like to neglect opposite gender attraction. 

There is no objectivity

Can we not respect that people have different opinions? Some people read that situation differently from you. No one here is saying you are wrong, just that they have a different take on it.

You don’t need to be condescending and say we’re not being objective because our opinion on this one moment differs from you.

Edited October 27, 2019 by raspberry84

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The new outfits for the concert were definitely interesting

 

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3 minutes ago, Melany said:

no hate but this movie was literally made by a straight man for straight men. It didnt really had a good plot and was really oversexualizing lesbians. Most of lesbians doenst lie this movie. I wouldnt say this is a receipt,  just a straight man fapping to a lesbian porn

Yep. As a lesbian, this movie ain't shit. Especially when you hear the horror stories about the filming of the sex scenes in it.

I'm not team "Namjoon is straight!" but I don't count this as a valid receipt.

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9 minutes ago, Thatoneuser said:

and you got negged for this post. What is some people's issue? 

I think there are some shippers lurking.

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I'm gonna be blunt here: It really seems like people who want any discussion or speculation about a person's sexuality to be banned when they die do so because they think there is something wrong or dirty with being a member of the LGBT community. That it's disrespectful because they're not here to 'defend' themselves or, for a lack of a better word, set the record straight.

I understand not personally being ok with talking about him because it can be triggering but it's kinda disgusting that you're asking for any posts about him to be deleted and for any future discussions to be banned. Like, that's some homophobic bullshit right there (internalized or not) because it's basically saying "suggesting he is gay is disrespectful."

SHINee was my introduction to k-pop, Jonghyun will forever be my ultimate bias and his death fucking wrecked me in a way that no other celebrity death ever did. It took me months to be able to even talk about him without breaking down. I loved and respected him and I happen to believe he was a member of the LGBT community.

I also happen to believe he was, at some point, in a relationship with Key and that some of Key's more recent music seems to be about him and suggest it was romantic. I'm going to discuss that because these are officially released songs and they ain't subtle. And there is nothing, NOTHING wrong with that.

Edited December 9, 2019 by raspberry84

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I think there is a very simple solution here:

If you don’t want to talk about Jonghyun, don’t talk about him and skip posts about him.

If you want to talk about Jonghyun, go ahead and discuss him.

This discussion is not going to change anything or stop people from discussing him so we’re now just talking in circles. We’re allowed to discuss him here, posts about him aren’t going to be deleted and people will continue to speculate. Personal preferences on the topic only dictate what you post, not censoring other people.

Edited December 9, 2019 by raspberry84

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To bring this back on topic, let's never forget the time that Jonghyun ate a rainbow cake during pride month and was super excited about it. 

 

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1 minute ago, Callmeashy said:

That was such a cute thing^^ Taeyeon brought it for him right? True mlm wlw solidarity

Yep. It’s still one of the sweetest interactions.

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3 minutes ago, Mystica_ said:

Soo i read a fan page on Instagram (written in my language) but i couldn’t find any sources in English so i dont know if it is true or not

it says that a saesang fan claims that there is a couple between NCT members! Two members are dating each other

If it happens to be true, who do you think? 

I still believe jungwoo is gay but i dont think he would date a member! 

 

Highly unlikely. Saesang's tend to guard that information tightly so I never believe random accounts claiming they have inside information with no evidence.

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1 hour ago, Josaline said:

Taehyung ;_;

 

 

Just give this boy his damn gay Christmas song please.

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2 hours ago, skelten said:

what’s the big deal if taehyung wants to do a duet with a man? .. bighit thinks it’s too gay? 

poor tae  just let him sing it how he wants. he obviously is upset about it if he keeps mentioning it

Basically, it's a romantic song and Tae wanted it to be a duet with Jimin. They told him no, it needed to be with a female (Adora).

It's why I roll my eyes when people claim that BH doesn't control what they put out and that they have complete creative control over their individual songs. They clearly don't.

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Thoughts?

Mine are behind the cut because they involve Jonghyun and therefore could be triggering.

Spoiler

I feel like these two songs are definitely about Jonghyun, timing wise and the continued references to this person as now being a star.

I find it especially interesting in the second one that Key has the lines that come off as romantic, such as holding hands or love from his younger days, while the rest can be read in a more universal way. Also the reference to the red line in the first song.

I'm interested in his solo work after he gets out of the army. I've always had a feeling that he might become way more open post military, especially considering how open he's already been.

 

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45 minutes ago, Mystica_ said:

Jeno guy from NCT dream! Damn..

He has something for Jaemin, he just touch him as if he was his petite girlfriend

*jeno is getting clinger, the first three videos are recent btw! Jeno does not treat the other members like this! Believe me! Yes he hug/hold hands, but never put his head in somebody’s butt

“His petite girlfriend”?

Please don’t refer to men you think are queer/in a same sex relationship in a way that treats them as a female or refers to them as female. Especially if you are not a lgbt male.

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1 hour ago, witchcocktor said:

I mean let's be real, they really don't have any choice but to embrace the flag that's thrown there. If they didn't, the '' homophobia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 '' accusations would run fast and hard, I'd assume. But eh, if the idol industry realizes that being supportive of LGBT is good for the image and potentially even lucrative (in the west), all the better I guess. Though how GENUINE that support is, that is debatable. In the end, these are idols whose job is to do fanservice, even fanservice like holding a rainbow flag in the west.

I'm not saying these dudes can't be legit supportive but they really didn't have any kind of choice in the matter, though I'm not sure how many rainbow flags that are thrown on stage that have been ignored have caused a controversy. All I'm saying is that call me when these idols take their OWN flags into concerts and are supportive on their own accord.

It hasn't caused controversy in the past to ignore them.

I can't speak for other groups cause I don't follow tour footages, but BTS pretty regularly has LGBT+ flags thrown on stage and they've never picked them up. It's never caused a negative reaction or controversy

Edited December 23, 2019 by raspberry84

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47 minutes ago, witchcocktor said:

Ah, I see. Though comparing other groups who perform at smaller venues to BTS may be a bit unfair, BTS being just that huge that they can get away with shit (I mean, Jimin not being cancelled for the atomic bomb shirt or nazi gear, nah, he is still a woke king or whatever). 

The eternal skeptic and pessimist in me is kinda thinking that holding pride flags is basically necessary for smaller groups in order to get western fanbase attention, in general being woke and stuff, but when you make it big you don't hafta do that anymore to that extent. Basically how smaller groups usually wear more provocative clothing and indulge in gay fanservice, same could be applied to appealing to western values more prominently when performing there. 

But, this all could still be a positive thing and I'm sure some idols feel a lot more free performing outside of Asia.

1) That is an assumption that they're not picking up flags because they don't have to anymore. Especially since BTS has been pretty vocal about their support for the LGBT community and most likely has queer members. Honestly, it's probably more likely that they've been told not to in the same way that Taehyung was told he couldn't record a song Jimin because it was "romantic" and needed a female.

2) You're mixing up members and scandal. Jimin never had a scandal involving nazi gear. You're thinking of RM and the hat.

3) Are you suggesting groups do more "gay fanservice" in the west or for the west? Cause I would disagree and say the West is way more quick for calling that out as queer baiting than Korean fans.

Edit: As far as them performing in Saudi Arabia, I wasn't a fan of that decision and criticized it. However, that's not worth canceling any group over. Unless you're canceling a group for performing in any problematic country (and the US, with putting immigratn children in cages and leaving them to die? Definitely counts). 

Edited December 23, 2019 by raspberry84

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12 minutes ago, witchcocktor said:

I mean lesser known groups doing more '' gay fanservice '' in Korea to get noticed, but in the west being supportive of LGBT, by holding a flag or whatever. It's all marketing in an extremely competitive environment. Fanservice comes in many colors, holding a rainbow flag for a while is just part of it, and might not have a deeper meaning other than blatant fanservice. It's essentially no different than two dudes awkwardly kissing or grinding each other on some broadcast or a concert to get noticed by female fans.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

I don't find scripted, planned fan service the same thing as picking up a LGBT flag that was thrown on stage by a fan. I feel like if it was purely for marketing reasons there would be a far more scripted element to it. Ultimately we're just speculating on their motive for doing so with no definitive answer.

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It's 100% okay for anyone to say no to any and all forms of physical affection. 

It shouldn't reflect on whether or not they're homophobic. Especially when it's something more intimate like sleeping and holding hands.

I know I wouldn't be comfortable doing that with anyone I wasn't involved with.

Edit: I'm confused why four people have given this the clown reaction. Please explain what about my post was incorrect and foolish. Otherwise it kinda seems like you feel like people are entitled to physical affection (which they are not).

Edited December 25, 2019 by raspberry84