Which male idols do you think are gay?

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Disclaimer: contains a lot of letters you will probably find boring or outrageous

 

Dedicated to people claiming Suga is bi/pan.

 

The common, I would even say mainstream, opinion here is that Suga is bi/pan. I'm writing this post because I think that this opinion is the one of the WRONGEST in this thread. I would like to apply to people who are stating such things and ask them (or you, if YOU are among them) a few questions.

Question #1.

Do you really think that BTS member (any of them, moreover, member of any k-pop band) could use in his song a line as, for example "my tongue can send only boys to Hong Kong" or could say during the interview "yes, ofc, i care about gender, i love only boys"? Do you really think it is possible? Don't you think that this man just gave light hints about his sexual orientation, because he can't say it directly, because, you know, it is KOREA and they are IDOLS? Just a little hint that "i have an interest in boys", because he COULDN'T say that he hasn't got interest in someone else.

I'm just wondering why most of you take things in such an easy way, like, all that people say or do is their 100% truth. No, guys, life is not that easy. Especially, if you are in Korea. Especially, if you are an idol.

Okay, some of you will say that "ofc no! it's not just about his words, he is spreading SUPER STRONG bi/pan vibes!". That's why the second question exists.

Question #2.

If you call Suga's vibes bi/pan vibes, what then you call gay vibes? No, seriously, sometimes it seems to me that people who talk about it simply have never seen Suga's acting, I would say even existing. Or, probably, they have never seen bi/pan males. Have you ever seen bi/pan males? Have you talked to them? If the answer is positive, is it similar to what you see in Suga living his everyday visible for us life? Don't, please, say, that you are a bi/pan woman, so you can feel these vibes. Bullshit. It's not connected in any of universes. To be honest, i think, people, who say such things are simply not really familiar with BTS and like to eat what they are fed or have a broken gaydar. Talking about any kind of vibes? Please, make a real research digging tones of photos, videos, gifs. Then talk.

 

Because I firmly believe that in BTS Suga has the strongest gay vibes. Even kings of homosexuality in this thread - Jimin and V - could be suspected in bi/pan vibes, but, seriously, NOT Suga.

 

Thank you for attention. You can put your minuses or just go by or whatever you want.

 

The only reason I disagree with you is this:

-Just the fact that he mentions he doesn't care about gender IS controversial. Admitting that he doesn't just like girls IS already a big deal, to the point that people were screaming "ITS MISTRANSLATION!!"

 

Suga knows that saying he doesn't care about gender, is a big deal.

 

If he were really gay and trying to hide it, he just would avoid the question, or pretend to be straight. He doesn't have to emphasize that it's the person and not the gender that matters. But he does.

 

If he was gay and trying to give us hints, he doesn't need to say his tongue takes both girls and boys to Hong Kong. He could easily make it less inclusive without giving away his orientation. But everytime, he makes sure to include both girls and guys.

 

And just looking at his personality he definitely does seem like someone who cares about the heart and personality of a person, not gender. I can't see Suga rejecting someone because they were a girl, or a guy, if he liked their personality.

 

I do think that he leans towards men, but I can just as easily picture him towards a woman.

 

Again, many idols who are very much believed to be gay as possible (Jokown, Sehun, etc) don't say "gender doesn't matter". They give generic answers and always say their ideal type is female or they keep it ambiguous.

 

Suga, on the other hand, always emphasizes that gender does not matter, that it's the personality and vibe of a person that attracts him. I think that's just what he's trying to say.

 

Again, by admitting gender doesn't matter, that is already quite a bold move for Suga to make- it's essentially like coming out because he is saying he can like both guys and girls, so....if he's willing to do something that bold anyway, I don't think he would do it to mask the fact that he is gay, because he is already admitting he can like boys too. If he liked boys exclusively, it seems he would be fine saying that, seeing as he's fine saying he is attracted to boys too....and again people would chalk it up to mistranslation.

 

But I respect your opinion.

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my two cents about the recent speculation:

1. Vhope did not kiss, but it wasn't a water bottle sound either, imo. They aren't going to kiss on a live broadcast randomly like that,  that would be ridiculous to do, no idol would dare do that during a live broadcast- at least not on purpose, unless it was for a game. It's too risky and illogical for that to have happened. 

 

2. VHope is still suspicious to me because of the change in their dynamic. They used to be among the closest, just had such a close, affectionate relationship. Taehyung used to look at Hoseok like he was the fucking sun. Then something changed and they became noticeably awkward and distant, and eventually become less close. Now I'd say Tae is the the most wary/cautious/careful around Hoseok. It's very noticeable, although they seem to be doing a lot better together recently, it's obvious that something happened and really affected whatever they used to have together. 

 

Don't get me wrong, all of BTS are very close and like family, but the change in VHope's affection, dynamic, and interactions was almost painfully obvious bc even now, Taehyung looks sort of careful around Hoseok. I'm not saying they are not close because they are, but there's a noticeable difference from then, to now. 

 

It's like even though they are still close and good around, both of them seem more careful and cautious around one another and I'm not sure why that happened. 

 

I don't ship really, I guess I ship some as brotps (VMin, NamJin, TaeJin, and so on) but despite not being a shipper, I really do feel like certain BTS ships are suspicious 

 

Like, I don't personally believe they are actually dating, but looking at facts, events, dynamics, etc. I really feel suspicious of some ships, and VHope is one of them. I'm not saying they are dating, or that they have dated, but I do find that change in dynamic between them....pretty odd? 

 

And the way they handled those kisses before (waaaaay back), at least from one of the two members, told a lot. 

 

Honestly, the wet smack sound at 0:08 precisely does sound like a kiss, and neither Tae nor Hoseok are onscreen at that moment, but I still don't think they kissed. Like, they're not stupid enough to do that on live broadcast. And I also don't think they're dating or anything to actually do something like that. It's ridiculous, really. I find Vhope suspicious af but this is nothing. I see a lot of lame shit going around among BTS shippers these days.

 

I haven't seen anybody talking about how touchy Jihope are being lately? They're constantly hugging each other (the making videos too). Even in yesterday's concert they kept hugging. And let's not forget about how Hoseok kissed Jimin's head again on his recent birthday vlive, same as last year. They're just too much 

Jihope are not really suspicious, mostly since they are both so excessive with their skinship.

 both of them are the most into skinship and fanservice even with all the other members. So them being so extra touchy with each other is no surprise since they are both very clingy, touchy with all the members. 

It's like putting two koalas together. They are clingy with anything, but together, they're the clingiest, since they're naturally clingy. 

It's like VMin. They're platonic but do so much skinship, because they are both very touchy naturally. Same for JiHope. 

 

But like....just sometimes it honestly seems to cross a line with them compared to the rest of BTS. I don't want to write a fanfiction but the thought has crossed my mind that they've been in some sort of physical...experience? together. I don't think they are dating but I would NOT be surprised to find out they were somewhat involved in some way, but then again I'm just overanalyzing everything. 

 

It doesn't help my delusion that both of them ping me the most in BTS along with Taehyung. 

 

My thoughts about Jimin and Hoseok are always funky, bc on one hand, they are so gay that I can't imagine them not being gay, and yet at the same time there's a part of me that could see them being very very straight....but there's also something so...gay....about them. They confuse me more than anyoen in BTS except maybe Namjoon. 

 

BTS as a whole are very confusing to me. Except for Taehyung, Suga, and the Antichrist. 

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i agree with the last part tbh. when you mean involved physically you mean like a fwb/brojob type thing? i feel like thats common, i mean you're locked in with a bunch of dudes most of the time. if i had to pick the most likely candidates it would be jihope imo

Yes exactly

Like they're both just so....yeah. If I had to bet any member did a brojob/FWB thing, it would be Jihope by far. 

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Am I the only one here who doesn't see the "change" in their interactions? They are still the same to me. Can you link me some videos where you think they look awkward together? I feel like a flop stan because V is my bias and I tend to notice him more, but I can't see what everyone is seeing...

Idk. I've been an Army since pre-debut so maybe I'm just noticing tiny things that mean nothing, but here are Just a few instances:

Hoseok said that V makes him feel hopeless, could be interpreted in many ways but for me, that sealed the deal....

 

 

In the above video, BTS members chose their favorite member to do the shoot with and when Hoseok chose V, but V chose Namjoon, the entire rest of the time Hoseok didn't look at V. 

 

And sometimes it's not specific things they do- it's just like you can get that feeling of them feeling awkward, distant, or unsure around each other. Like they aren't always sure how to act with each other. What's too much, too little, etc....they just give off a little bit of a wary feeling.

 

They're also not as touchy as they used to be, they used to have some of the most skinship and it's a lot more rare now adays, and a lot more mild. 

 

Like I said, they are still very, very close. But it's pretty noticeable. I can't think of specific moments right now since it was a slow, general shifting of their behavior, but watch some old bangtan bombs, compare to recent ones...it's just quite a difference. They just don't seem to be 'together' as much anymore, but they are still close, it's just different than before. 

 

Maybe go ask the VHope thread? I am sure they can inform you about the change in their relationship more than me since they analyze that stuff more

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I think she's talking about Namjoon because he's an atheist lmao

No, I'm taking about J*ngkook.

I call Namjoon by his name or by his stage name.

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sis... r u kidding me with the antichrist? rlly? why do u call jk that btw? just curious, hate him?

Because it triggers me to call him by his real name.

 

Its complicated. I don't hate him.

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i meant to put "like" lol

 

but at the same time jikook does feel like its dying down a bit

how come?

Just wondering because I literally thought "JiKook has been seriously strong recently" just before I read your post. lmao

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This doesn't say anything much but just found it interesting

 

Jay Park collated with @nigahiga on YouTube a long ass time ago for this video

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OT but

 

 

http://parkjizzmin.tumblr.com/post/152080262485/this-video-literally-breaks-my-heart-yoongi

 

out of curiousity this is weird, anybody have any ideas why? Why did Jimin point to the camera when Yoongi wanted to dance with him, why would it have mattered. Yoongi looked sad after, Idk just weird asf

 

 

I don't see anything at all weird about this video? At all? I am surprised anyone found anything out of the ordinary in this vid. Nothing stands out to me at all.

 

It just looks like Suga walked over to talk to Jimin, they talk, Jimin tells him "Look, there's a camera" since Suga's back was turned to the camera. Jimin probably just wanted Suga to know bc having the back to the camera when the camera focuses on you, usually idols face the camera.

 

So then Suga turned to face be camera and danced while facing the camera.

 

Seemed perfectly normal to me and neither of them seems sad. In fact they seem to be enjoying themselves.

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https://instagram.com/p/BRD6TH-lavS/

 

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apparently Jimin says he has a nickname of "J**gkook's toy" and that he likes it because he likes the way he (J**gkook) plays with him.

 

As if that spanking scene wasn't enough

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Screaming at J**gkook being censored

I'm not ready to start calling him by his name, but I've at least stopped calling him the Antichrist.

 

 

 

yeah, the situation sucks, but i think we really just need to wait for some of these 2nd/3rd gen idols to finish military and then see what happens.

 

like, if people like Heechul and JJ had more collegues who could safely pull the same shit they could all band together and make something happen, but with the way SK is right now and the required military service it can't.

 

tbh, i'm interested to see what happens when people like JoKwon and Key and Hansol (even though it'll be 8 more years for him, lol), don't have that duty hanging over their heads, how they act and become.

 

Exactly this, I agree so much.

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i really wanna know the story of why you hate his name so much lmao

 

 

It's a hard memory, I won't share it yet. I don't hate his name, it's just hard for me to call him by his real name or stage name. By censoring his name or calling him the Antichrist, I feel more detached from him. Fans call their idols by their real names to feel closer to them, right? Like how I call V, Taehyung. How Kai fans call Kai, Jongin. Well, it's the opposite of that for me and J**gkook. I don't say his full name in order to keep a distance from him because of some things that happened in the past. I ran a fansite for him a long time ago though. He was my old bias in BTS.

 

Because she's a special snowflake.

Who put thumbtacks in your cereal this morning?

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i can't look at lvlz kei in the eye for that reason either   ran a fansite (not because i stanned her, but literally just because i wanted to know what it was like) it became too much work, teshub became the main mod, got deleted, it was a mess and i feel like i did her unjustice. i also made the fy-kei tumblr url go awol  )

What's the point of asking if you're going to be an ass about it? 

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Coming from the same guy who checked out GD

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Okay so I'm not trying to reinforce gay stereotypes or any of that shit but I just want to point out that sometimes, stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and we should pay attention to certain things 

 

I was doing stuff for my English class and I was writing an autobiography for Oscar Wilde 

In case you didn't know, Oscar Wilde wrote The Picture of Dorian Gray, which is one of the gayest books of the 19th century. The book was published in 1890 and got a lot of hate for being so heavily homoerotic. In fact, it was so gay it got censored. 

Oscar Wilde was later arrested for having an affair with another man, Lord Alfred Douglas.

 

Basically, Oscar Wilde was pretty fucking gay

And this is a photo of a sculpture of him.

 

Photos of him:

 

This was way back in the mid to late 1800s. I think it's a good reminder that while we should never stereotype, we also should keep in mind that body language, expression, and style really can be a good indicator for sexuality sometimes.

 

idk this is kind of a useless post but just a reminder i guess.

 

Btw, just a cute fact- Oscar Wilde wrote an autobiography meant mainly for his lover, Lord Alfred Douglas (Boise). Boise was the love of his life, which he made clear in the autobiography. 

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To be fair, couldn't his body language and mannerisms be attributed to 1. His culture. 2. The times in which he lived? That is to say, do we really have reason to assume that other Europeans of his age with similar social status didn't have similar mannerisms? I'm not arguing, I'm merely trying to understand.

No, not entirely, because based on other writers of the same time period, it was not a common mannerism and body language overall.

 

So he lived in the Victorian Era and specifically in London (he did grow up partially in Dublin but did most of his writing and such in England). 

 

Here are some photos of other male writers born the same time period as Oscar Wilde, who lived in the same places as him:

 

Charles Dickens was also of the same era (Victorian era, around early to late 1800s, English writer) and here are some of his portraits and posed photos:

 

Anthony Trollope, also a Victorian era English writer (1815-1882):

 

 

Tennyson, the leading poem of the Victorian Era, born much earlier than Wilde but died around the same time:

 

The common mannerisms that adult males in Oscar Wilde's era used: Hands on lap, hands together on lap, legs sat down normally and slightly open (the 'typical' male pose). 

 

I do see what you're referring to, because in Victorian times, young boys often posed for portraits and photographs like this:

 

 

 

However, that was only done during one's youth. When one became an adult, he no longer posed like that- it was a practice only for young boys, usually.

 

Oscar Wilde continued to use that sort of posing and those mannerisms and body language long after he grew into adulthood, and in fact, people back in his time did remark in his postures and mannerisms, so it's not just a cultural thing in this case. 

 

Young boys often posed every elegantly and in a feminine manner, so I can see where you're coming from.

In this case, Oscar Wilde had a reputation for his flamboyant mannerisms, so I don't think it was just cultural.

 

I saw this discussion has gone further in other posts, but I just wanted to add my two cents. Actually, the way Wilde was so flamboyant gave him a bad name in his circles. It was definitely not something that was done in that time. The way he talked, his fashion, his manner was often mocked (there were caricatures of him). Even before Wilde was a playwriter/writer he was known because of his image. To give a specific example, when Wilde was tried he put his hand before his mouth as he laughed. This was because he took something, I believe ivory but might have been another substance, which in that time was used as a cure for syphilis. This made the teeth green, which Wilde was trying to hide. It was used against him in the case as it was seen as a sign of effeminacy. 

 

A similiar example is Proust. He did a 'double bluff' with his handshake, which was very limp and weak (as opposed to the STRONG AND FIRM handshakes manly men had back then), in order to show off that he wasn't insecure about his masculinity. He was, of course, because Proust was well gay, but it was a double bluff.

 

 

 

TL;DNR: Wilde's manner was a sign of his homosexuality back then. But it's worth mentioning that even now there are some very flamboyant straight men. Not many tbh and I don't think it's fair to read those ~signs unless you're gay yourself, but still.

Exactly

I was about to add that Wilde's mannerisms were in fact, not just "cultural", because he did have a bad rep for his flamboyancy. 

 

However, that doesn't mean culture doesn't always play a role- it can. It just doesn't in this case. 

And yeah, not every flamboyant guy is gay- but we should keep in mind that mannerisms and body language can be hints too.

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Double post, excuse me 

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Just to be clear, I get the whole "straight/bi girls fetishizing gay men" argument going on, and it's definitely a real and valid issue and point 

 

But let's also not jump on and say every bi fangirl, or even straight one, is necessarily here to validate her ships or to fetishize her biases. 

 

Personally, I'm a bisexual (leaning more towards girls though) fangirl, and I don't ship anyone romantically or fetishize anyone. The reason i go into this thread, along with the lesbian thread, is bc as someone who is LGBT+, I'm interested to see which idols may also be LGBT+. I visit both the gay and lesbian threads bc I am interested in which idols may be LGBT+, and like to discuss. I don't care whether my biases end up being gay, bi, straight, lesbian, demi, pan, etc- I just like discussing and speculating about which idols may be LGBT+, since I am LGBT+ myself. 

 

I just want to point out that while yes, a lot of fangirls here are perhaps straight or bi fangirls fetishizing gay men, a lot of them may also be here for actual discussion. Like me, I honestly just am interested in seeing which idols may belong to the same community as me, but I'm not here to fetishize and force any sexuality onto anyone.

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One thing that just made me smh was a fangirl's comment saying "the one who filmed was a guy, that's why jungkook found it weird and gave it attention". Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh that's not what someone would do if they found something "weird", honey. 

hell no 

he was practically giving soft/lowkey bedroom eyes to the camera. i guess that sounds more intense than i'm trying to say...but you could tell he liked it. it made him excited and he was obviously interested and more engaged in performing (for the fanboy).

 

honestly, as someone who used to stan the maknae of BTS very intensely for many years, he definitely enjoys attention from males.

I don't mean in a "he likes the attention of hyungs" way, bc he likes attention from males that are total strangers too 

 

he is similar to Taehyung. they react differently to males: Male coworkers, male fanboys, male idols, male staff, all that. they just seem to light up and they pay extra attention to them almost subconsciously...they get a very "little kid seeing a present on Christmas morning" vibe to them whenever they run into males, be it male coworkers on variety (like the time Jungk**k got the number of a male fitness trainer), male idols (him checking out GD), male fanboys (see fancams above), they just....treat them differently in a very sus way

 

it is clear that the maknae did not find it weird. seeing that it was a male made him perform extra well and specifically, performed for the camera/fanboy especially. 

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but -as a bisexual- I don't think we are the minority. Or better, not that much of a minority to make the likelihood of a certain idol being bi extremely low.

 

I know this is old but I was backtracking

 

I'd like to point out that bisexuals are not the minority's, id actually say they are the majority. bi-erasure is very prominent, and people tend to forget that even if you have slight attraction to either the same or opposite sex, you can qualify as bi

 

For example, a girl might have 90% preference for guys, and a 10% preference for girls - it's rare for her to like a girl, she's only liked one girl, that sort of thing - but she's still bi. Even if a guy dates guys his whole life and only has one girlfriend, he's still not gay, he is bi.

 

most people are at least somewhat attracted to the same sex - on the Kinsey scale, I'd say most people are a 2, and that a 0 is more rare.

 

because sexuality can be so fluid, I think a lot of people are bi but will never consider themselves bisexual or be considered bi because they have such a strong preference for a certain sex. for example, a girl might have such a strong preference for guys that she can ignore her attraction to girls, or pretend it's not there, whatever. But she would still be bi.

 

So I actually think it makes sense that there are so many idols people see as bi or bicurious- bc sexuality is very fluid.

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i have no evidence for my following statements...just my opinion based on completely subjective 'gut feeling' that has no specific evidence or basis, just...my own feeling and experience 

 

i tend to be very in tune with other people and their thoughts and feelings, i can read people well, sometimes even without meaning to. today i met a boy friend, i saw him working at a restaurant i visited with my friend. we talked and after we left, my friend that i ate with asked if my friend and i (the guy working) were a thing. i was surprised, bc i'd never thought about him that way - he is cute and even my type, yet i'd just never imagined anything romantic with him...like there was some sort of block. not like 'friendzoned', just like...it's hard to explain, but it's as if i automatically just see them as friends for some reason, even before getting to know them. 

 

i realized that with several of my other guy friends, who are gay, when i first met them, i felt the same 'block'...though i didn't know they were gay and they weren't my friends so it wasn't just me friendzoning them, i just felt a block even the first time i met them, even if they were attractive...so i talked to my male friend and we were talking about the pride parade i went to...he then came out to me as gay.... i think i am the first person he has told...

 

i know it sounds dumb and i swear, you guys can laugh at me and ignore it, i understand, but i think maybe that 'block' is my version of a gaydar? because every guy i felt that 'block' with, turned out to be gay, once i got to know them i ended up finding out they were gay. i feel the block instantly upon meeting them, its odd. so maybe it's my gaydar that somehow leads to the block since i know nothing romantic can or will happen 

 

Taehyung is my ultimate bias, i find him super attractive and his visuals are really my type, he can be super sexy, but for some reason i've never been attracted to him in a physical or romantic manner. I have the same 'block' for him as I did with all my other guy friends that ended up being gay: I find them very physically attractive, i should be attracted to them, but i just...don't see them that way, even if they are 100% my type...i can only see as a friend, even if i just met them. maybe i thought, i somehow recognize that they aren't attracted to women, so i instantly block off any feelings beyond platonic friendship? idk

 

i know it's dumb as hell...sorry...but it's just an opinion...

 

i just can't imagine Taehyung with a girl romantically. I can't. It's not like I have any reason to want him to be a specific sexuality; i would love him and support him equally if he was homo, hetero, pan, bi, ace, demi, anything, it doesn't matter to me, he is Taehyung and will always be Taehyung no matter who he loves or doesn't love. I don't ship him with anyone, I love him to pieces and he is my ultimate bias but I've just never seen him 'that' way...no matter what i just can't for the life of me see him being romantic or physical with a girl.

 

maybe it's just because he tends to treat everyone so friendly and is so relaxed...but does anyone have footage or events where he was flustered by a girl? i've only seen him get flustered with guys. he gets flustered quite easily with skinship and attention from guys...he loves skinship but still gets super flustered by it, even from some of his members. i've never seen him have that sort of reaction to girls, he honestly seems really at ease with them. that doesn't mean he is gay of course. his interactions with females are also limited compared to males....but the way he acts with fanboys and fangirls...to me he seems so comfortable with fangirls, it's no big deal - he is the fanservice king, he can hold girls hands, cradles their faces, has no problem with any of that...but with fanboys, he gets so flustered, he gives them extra attention, idk, sorry i'm rambling, but his face lights up with fanboys

 

just my two cents, but i can't see him with a girl as anything more than friendship. but again, i'm basing this post entirely on my personal gut feelings and intuition. i could bring a lot of receipts and stuff of his reaction to guys and males, but they've all been posted here already, i have nothing new...

 

anyway that event happened today with my friend since he came out to me, and that's what triggered this post...i'm sorry for wasting your time but i hope someone found it at least interesting to read...i'm sorry i know it's dumb, but sometimes gut feelings mean something, idk, but this is the only place i could really share these thoughts so...

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You don't know V personally

nope. that's why i specifically said it was all my bs opinion/gut feeling/completely baseless. i just get the same 'feeling' with him, Sehun, Key and some other idols as I do w/ some friends who I know. itdoesn't mean a thing   

 

but i guess stressing several times in my post that what i was saying was completely baseless/completely based on my gut feeling and had nothing to do with facts/was literally just a random crap opinion...i guess that saying it 3 times wasn't enough to get the message across...oops...i guess i'll say it again:

 

My post is completely baseless and based on 100% 'gut feeling', it has no facts, it's just a nobody's opinion on her bias, period. 

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double 

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triple??? wtf is my computer doing 

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