Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Sdm]

If we were talking about one or two lines out of a song then it would definitely be worth talking about whether or not he had co-writers on the song. However, it was the entire song that pinged people and even with help this was Tae's song and he was the driving force behind it.

 

We know it didn't lose that original message that Tae wanted because, like I mentioned earlier, RM made a point to say it was very personal to Taehyung and no one has talked about it. No one else, including Tae, has talked about the meaning behind it or what the song is about which suggests that the personal meaning wasn't lost or diluted down.

 

My question to you is what do you think the alternatives are? What do you personally think the song is about?

 

Well I'm not sure. I thought it was about him not being able to spend too much time with his family and siblings in particular. Recently he even implied how he's not extremely close with his brother in a vlive and seemed kind of sad about it. Or maybe he fought with someone and really regrets it now. Idk there's no way to know for sure imo

[Sdm]

See, there is nothing in the song to me that suggests it's about missing his siblings. Besides the fact that I think they would have said that this is what the song was about if it was the case, there really aren't any lyrics in the song to suggest that it's about missing family. Like the title says, the song focuses on Tae feeling like he has a Stigma. Missing his family doesn't really connect to the disgraced sinner narrative of the song. And the lines directed to his sibling are him apologizing for him not being able to hide or change something inside of him.

 

Same with fighting. Too much of the song focuses on Tae's internal struggle about accepting who he is for it to just be about a fight. Plus the lines suggest the person that was hurt was hurt by someone else but Tae's guilt come from the fact that he didn't protect them and he feels like he should have had that punishment/hurt instead. So again, the fight narrative just doesn't personally work for me because Tae's guilt 100% is coming from the fact he couldn't accept himself, he lacked courage and feels like he let someone else down by letting them take all the blame for something he was also guilty of.

 

And until they tell us we'll never know and it's only speculation, but personally I think Stigma 100% is about Tae coming to terms with his sexuality and coming out after struggling to accept himself. No other explanation makes sense to me.

Well that does makes sense you're right. I have another theory that could fit but it's too ridiculous so I'll keep it to myself lol

[Sdm]

I have no idea if he is gay or not, but this is a very heartbreaking song about childhood abuse.

 

It's pretty straightforward and I can see why he wouldn't want to discuss it, since it is too painful. Honestly, adding a gay angle to this song comes more from the people who read it than the song itself.

 

That makes even less sense.. and it's a pretty bold claim to make based on so little information.

 

Also according to him the song is about someone getting hurt or blamed because of a mistake he made. Idk how that ties in with childhood abuse.

 

If it were directly related to the wings storyline (their album concept) then yes it could be about abuse

Edited November 26, 2017 by Sdm

[Sdm]

 

 

 

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He's just scratching his finger

[Sdm]

Yeah, at this point I don't think anything past a close friendship is going on between the two. It especially seems platonic on Taehyung's side because I haven't seen anything to indicate non-platonic feelings. There has been a moment or two were Yoongi's actions could almost be read as if he had a crush/attraction but I honestly think that is just me not being use to seeing Yoongi acting this way with Taehyung and it's throwing me off.

 

Isn't that mostly because they keep getting paired up for run?  I do think they got closer compared to before though. 

[Sdm]

Yeah, I agree with you.

 

I don't think there's anything going on with Yoongi and Tae, or Yoongi and Jungkook. 

 

These two admire Yoongi, sure, and that's where it ends. It's just impossible for me to thin anything about Yoongi and Jungkook when he says "father's heart" every time he talks about Jungkook. So yeah, their dynamic is different. 

 

As for Tae and Yoongi, I believe they are too alike (bull headed) and hence, they argue a lot, which is where the hand holding thing came from. They seem to get along more, but I don't think their personalities allow for a romantic relationship, at all. 

 

I think they're only alike in that they're both kind of stubborn. Otherwise they have completely opposite personalities. And I think yoongi just became a little more gentle with V that's all. I don't think he has a crush on him or anything.

[Sdm]

I was wondering why he suddenly became awkward/shy with fanservice recently. But now that you've pointed it out, it got me thinking there might be a possibility that that indeed happened. 

 

And I agree. I do the same thing with my straight friends too. 

 

He became quieter overall. I don't think he's shying away from the others

[Sdm]

So it looks like everyone's in agreement that Taehyung likes men lol 

 

However, I don't know if he's 100% gay? He's my bias so I pay way more attention to him lol, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has an attraction to females too? These are some examples from what I can remember atm 

 

 

^ Pretty sure he's trying to impress the MC... he's acting cutesy and completely going out of his way to get her attention, getting shy and embarassed at times and even moved his chair closer to her lol. He definitely doesn't act like this with every woman or mc. If he is flirting, everyone is suffering from second hand embarrassment

 

 

^This one is a bit more of a reach it still seems somewhat appropriate: intense staring (did he blink), shy smiles, acting weird and cutesy again, fixing his suit a lot, making one to one conversation with her 

 

I also thought he might quite like Jimin (MC, not BTS Jimin) from After School Club? This probably means nothing but i'm pretty sure he gave her his flower crown and played with her hair a bit when taking a photo. 

 

 

 

^ Towards the end of this ep,Tae was trying to include her and praise her a lot and get her attention, like saying 'Jimin did well too', asking her if she drives, wanting to take the picture with her... again, this is another reach, but I feel like this would be brought up if Tae was acting like this with a male 

 

There are other times when I thought he might like women too but this is all I can remember for now, sorry

 

I'm already expecting no one will pay attention to this or will just plainly disagree lol and that's completely okay, but I somehow wouldn't be at all surprised if he's bi 

 

I've always thought he could be bi but leaning towards girls. And the only reason I think he may be bi is because of his obvious crush on j hope back in the day. Other than that I don't see it. Same with jimin. I've seen him openly flirt with girls. But I guess people here think differently. Though for jimin it could be equal and not leaning towards anyone in particular.

 

The one person who I've never seen affected by girls is Jin. The others all have their moments.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Sdm

[Sdm]

And also LMAAO at yall for thinking Im a "OPPA IS STRAIGHTT" fangirl when I couldn't give two shits about male idols in sexuals terms if I tried.

 

Honestly you could have just written you think only jin is gay and the rest are straight instead of this whole discourse. Nothing wrong with that. People are annoyed cause you sound condescending not because you think they're straight

[Sdm]

it's probably not that deep but did anyone else think V was trying to flirt a little with ansel elgort in the AMAs bangtan bomb

 

 

 

 

 

at about 18:22

 

 

 

Aren't they friends? Jimin calling Shawn handsome was cute too lol

[Sdm]

about bts members coming out.. 

if namjoon were to identify on the spectrum (he's very confusing to me), i feel like he would really love to be a spoken voice for lgbt+ people in korea. he already speaks about it often and him doing such a thing seems like him. the only problem would be military service, which is in the way for most idols on this thread. yoongi may, he drops hints and doesnt seem to get too impacted by backlash.

 

i agree with what someone said about jimin, though, who's my first suspect for being gay/bi/etc,, he seems too soft to be able to handle the amount of hate that would stem from coming out. it's pretty clear what happened with the comments on his body, so i doubt he would come out anytime soon. a glass closet is more likely- and taehyung is going in an artsy direction, he might drop hints through that.

 

generally, i dont think any idol would come out before military service, which is something we should all consider b/c it definitely has a factor on how they present themselves

 

Taehyung will probably be the first one to get married. He's talked about wanting a stable family and kids so many times.

 

The others (if there are any lgbt members) won't come out anytime soon either. They care about their careers too much and are all very ambitious.

[Sdm]

I feel like a lot of k-fans and i-fans had an eye on him since he did that cover of Fools with JK tbh? I'm sure they're all aware what this looks like at this point...they're not stupid, Namjoon least of all. Especially since all his interviews have been inclusive recently. Non fans seem to be noticing it more this era...I've seen people who aren't even fans of the group talk about it.

I used to think RM was straight af but he's the only one that makes me suspicious these days. Either he's part of the community or someone in the group is and he's being supportive. But I'm leaning towards him. It's like he's willingly dropping lots of hints these days.

Edited December 30, 2017 by Sdm

[Sdm]

 

Not to get all sad or anything, but has anyone else realised it's probably going to be a very long time before a "big" idol comes out? I think it's pretty much a given that at this point in time no idol will come out before military service. In the idol industry, military service usually starts at 30 and lasts two years. If we look at idols discussed here: G-Dragon is 29. Jo Kwon is 28. Key is 26. Suho is 26 but will be enlisting in 2019, before Xiumin (and I doubt he'll come out anyway). Jin, the oldest in BTS, is 25. Seungcheol, oldest in Seventeen, is 22. Et cetera et cetera. So it will be a few years before any of them come out.

 

Looking at idols who have already completed military service: Heechul, Yunho, Jaejoong, maybe Donghae and Eunhyuk from SJ (but I doubt it). It seems like Heechul wants to continue working on variety shows, so I feel he'll remain in a glass closet for a few more years and will only come out when there has been a shift of attitudes towards gay people. I don't follow Yunho and D&E, so I don't know if they have a lot of filial piety and how long they want to remain in the industry. I don't really follow Jaejoong either, but I feel like he might be one of the first to come out. But that will most likely be in a few years.

 

Idk, it's just kinda sad to think about all this. But cheers to another few years of speculating about idols' sexualities  

 

Korea isn't even open about mental health issues yet. Coming out is another story. Noone will come out anytime soon. Unless someone gets forcibly outed. Hope that never happens though.

[Sdm]

Since on this thread it's kind of agreed on that V had a crush(?) on Hoseok, but does anyone think he might still have one? Like when it comes to crushes, sure-they come and they go, but Tae wrote many times and said that he actually loves him, now I know this could be said as a joke or fanservice, but with all of the receipts, don''t you think he means it? Because in my opinion to love someone is far different than to have a crush on them.

Sometimes even if it was just a crush you had on a person, if you get enough affection or so on, the feelings for them can bubble up again, I'm not entirely sure if V liked or loved Hoseok, but I sometimes get the feelings that he still has the hots for Hoseok.

Now if V actually loved him, don't you think after all these years of being close to him, he'd still love him unless he found someone else? (Possibly could be Park Bogum) I don't know if Taehyung confessed to Hoseok or not, but even if they deny your confession, it's hard to stop loving them unless they do something that'd majorly put you off.

(Keep in mind that V could also have had no feelings for him, but I think that that's not the case)

 

I'd really like your opinions on whether or not you guys think he still likes him or it diminished.

Sorry if this post sounds kind of shippy, but just to be clear-I don't really ship anyone in bts, just like to tell the possibilities of if they were to be in a relationship with one-another.

Please don't start a fight lol

 

 

 

I can't tell if he actually had a crush on him or if it was platonic and he mostly just admired him. He still does obviously. Sometimes when you admire someone a lot you want their approval. I believe that's what you're seeing. I could be completely wrong though.

 

[Sdm]

 

 

I put in the source my first message. Look, I am the one who made this theory, I am not against the idea that the song is part of a confession.

 

 

But after the last statements he made, I began to think that the song might have different meanings. Tae tells us that he just made the chorus part.  The rest of the song was completed by the other producers. He just told the producers he wanted them to create a song with a certain feeling. He says he wanted to create a jazz style song for a long time. He like movies like " Born to be Blue " The film tells the life story of Chet Baker, a jazz musician who always struggles with drug addiction. Tae has said many times that Chet Baker's one of he's favorite artists.  According to Tae's explanation, the person in the song (not the MV) is suffering so much that he end up begins to like the pain. 

 

 

So maybe, the song could be describing the pain of being addict and the pain they give to other people because of that. Chet was a drug addict. In the MV his father was an alcoholic. Tae's character beaten and wounded many times. Despite all this, we see that his character can not stay away from the crime and the streets. Wanting to feel more pain. This is a very serious subject and I am sure that it has special meaning for Tae. RM said that the song was personal for Taehyung. But It does not mean that he is talking about himself. Maybe he's been influenced by a close friend, a family member, or even a movie character, as he witnesses their suffering. We can not throw all these possibilities.

 

 

So many different interpretations of the song prove how beautiful it is. You can interpret it the way you want it, I'm not against it. I'm just trying to get different interpretations.^^

 

He said he composed and produced the chorus he didn't say anything about the lyrics. I could be wrong though Idk how credits work 

But I agree the song is very ambiguous. I'm not sold about it being only about his sexuality. 

[Sdm]

I think being a fan of other singers, actors, etc. that are LGBT works as a secondary form of evidence and can be used as support. Obviously being a fan of someone who is queer doesn't mean you yourself are queer but I think most people who are tend to seek out representation in the media they consume.

 

And I don't think you can compare it to the homophobic belief that a child being raised by gay parents will turn them gay. No one is saying being a fan of those things is what "turned" them. 

 

For example, there are a collection of queer movies that I think most LGBT youth watch. Almost every lesbian or queer girl I know has watched But I'm a Cheerleader, Lost & Delirious, Kissing Jessica Stein, etc. especially in their teen years. Does that mean everyone who watches those movies is gay? Definitely not. But if I see someone has all of those movies in their collection I'm definitely going to look twice at that.

 

It's why Yoongi being able to name the two main actors from Frozen Flower has always stood out to me.

I don't think that's the same as liking photographers or fashion designers. He prob just liked their work and they happened to be gay too.

[Sdm]

I'm curious about something.Is it mostly Jimin that has dating rumours in BTS?last year and this year,they were dating rumours.If so,i wonder why.Are they trying to throw us off concerning his sexuality? (this is quite delusional,don't come at me.It is something that just occured to me)

No all of them have plenty of dating rumours. Especially maknae line cause they're popular.

[Sdm]

Very interesting compilation. I think Namjoon is the strongest contender here. I mean he could just be a strong ally (someone he knows closely could be LGBT+) but honestly, he seems so into it. I don't see how people can read all those compilations and think he's 100% macho straight. Just doesn't make sense to me. He just has too much interest that a straight person would have. Suspicious.

 

On the other hand I don't think the Frozen Flower is evidence beyond them being open-minded. I remember when that film came out and it was huge. People have to remember that the cast for that film are top Korean celebrities. Everyone saw that movie. Everyone was talking about it. Even a group (I won't name) that I consider to be the straightest group in kpop watched it and talked about it. So if BTS watched it - cool. But I don't think anything of it.

 

Same. I think he could be bi but has just recently realized/accepted it. Or like you said maybe he's just a strong ally. But he really does go out of his way to show support which is why it's suspicious.

 

Jin makes me suspicious too sometimes. I've never seen him react to girls but he's gotten flustered around guys many times.

 

Contrary to what everyone thinks here jimin and taehyung seem straight af to me and their evidences seem like huge reaches.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Sdm

[Sdm]

I don't know how many gay/bi guys you've interacted with but it clearly isn't enough if Jimin and Taehyung seem "straight af" to you.

 

Speaking as a gay man, I don't claim to know Jimin's sexuality, but if the label "obviously straight" is applicable to anyone in BTS, it sure as hell isn't him. As for Taehyung, I'm not convinced he's attracted to men, but he certainly could be.

 

Dismissing receipts is one thing—and I'd agree that most of them are unconvincing—but statements like "X seems obviously straight" need to be backed up with some pretty solid evidence.

 

How does one even prove someone is straight? Just like you're basing it on mostly intuition I am too.

 

I think the main reason is because I've seen him show interest in women and flirt with them. This is probably irrelevant but his taste in music is also very fuckboy-ish

 

I really don't think calling someone handsome means anything. And his interactions woth tony looked normal to me.

 

Another thing people debate about is jikook but I always thought he adores him in a brotherly way, fanservice aside. He's even talked about how jk reminds him of his own brother.

 

As for taehyung the only suspicious thing to me is his and jhope's relationship and even that is debate-able. He doesn't seem interested in guys apart from that while I've seen him show interest towards girls.

But yeah he's very confusing so I keep changing my stance on him.

 

Of course I could be completely wrong so don't take me too seriously. You can form your own conclusions

 

[Sdm]

Their point seems to be that just like people try to bring specific examples when they claim an idol might be LGBT+, people should do the same when they're suggesting that someone is straight. As we've talked about before, the burden of proof should be the same at the very least, if not even higher when we're saying that someone is straight because there's an overwhelming societal pressure for LGBT+ individuals to conform to straightness and there's nothing of the sort in the other direction. Somewhere along the way people got this reversed, which is illogical to say the least when you take into account that societal pressure.

Yeah no this is kpop. Idols don't even look at female idols freely forget talking about dating them. Bts especially is very cautious around girls because of crazy fans. So yeah there's not much I can come up with to 100% prove he's straight. I did mention a few things though and why some evidences seemed like reaches to me.

[Sdm]

Not sure what the "yeah no" is for (I hope you're not implying that "kpop" is a greater force than the societal pressures LGBT+ people feel to conform to straightness because that isn't debatable on any level and I would hope that we all know that) but I understand your point. However! What you mentioned generally would not really qualify as "specific" examples. What we're talking about would be: Who are the women you're saying you saw him flirt with or show interest in? Any videos or gifs? (I don't know that it's a great example but) who are the artists that make you feel like he has "fuckboy" tastes? etc etc. I would characterize those as specific examples and equal to what most people here provide when they suggest that someone is gay/bi. And, no shade intended, but that's what people would usually provide when they're suggesting that someone might be gay/bi, let alone ____ af.

I meant how fangirls freak out when male idols interact with girls. It's not like they can go around freely talking with girls or flirting. Which is why there aren't that many things you can use to prove anything.

 

There's this one Chinese interviewer whom he was clearly flirting with. His interactions with girls on AHL. There's more instances but I can't link anything now cause I'm on mobile data. He's also had a girlfriend pre debut.

 

He also had a figurine of namie from one piece and it was a pretty sexy looking figurine. Idk if this means anything though

 

I don't think the music part is very relevant but he tends to like sexy R&B music like from Chris Brown, usher, trey songs etc

[Sdm]

Don't think the Nami figure means anything, that's just her usual outfit on the manga and anime, the last time we saw her dressed was in the 90s RIP!!

Yeah that's why I said may or may not be relevant.

 

Anyways idk why some of y'all get offended over simple opinions lol you can continue having your own let me have mine.

[Sdm]

I personally don't need evidence. sdm made a bold claim about whoever being "straight as fuck" (which I personally don't think we should be claiming in either direction anyway) firedream9 then said a statement like that should be backed up by evidence which is 100% correct. I then explained that to sdm because they seemed to possibly misunderstand firedream9's comment.

 

To reiterate, the extent of my involvement is making sure that it's known that if you're going to make big claims, you should come with some big evidence or this may not be the thread for you. And if we're skewing things in either direction, the higher burden of proof needs to be on those claiming that an idol is straight because of the societal pressure for LGBT+ people to conform to straightness (there's a reason people don't even make an attempt at a rebuttal when this is brought up: We all know that it's objectively true). He very well could be straight for all I personally know and someone calling him "straight af" should still have some bit of evidence to back that up in this thread. I'm interested in anyone making a bold claim backing it up or not making it in the first place. Nothing more.

Much ado over 2 words.. maybe I should phrase my sentences properly next time lol It's just the way I talk don't take it too seriously people.

[Sdm]

Nowhere in my post did I say I think they're gay or bi. I wouldn't be surprised if they're both straight.

 

What I take issue with is declaring someone "obviously straight" using reasoning that is clearly rooted in a "straight by default" mentality.

 

Time and time again I see people employ an obvious double standard when assessing potentially meaningful same-sex and opposite-sex interactions; they're very quick to dismiss the former as fan service/brotherly love/playing around etc. but show no hesitation in accepting the latter as genuine. Consequently, plenty of male idols are labelled as "straight" even when the evidence for them being attracted to women is just as weak, if not weaker.

 

I would agree that the points in that list are, for the most part, insignificant, but if we're applying equal standards here, so are yours. Take AHL, for instance. I recently rewatched that series and it amazes me people use it as evidence for anything.

 

Finally, even if someone is attracted to women, it doesn't mean they can't also be attracted to men. There's absolutely no reason to call someone "straight af" unless that person has made it abundantly clear that they have no romantic interest in people of the same sex.

All I said was I think he's straight contrary to popular opinion here. Just like how some of y'all are convinced he's gay. It's cause I don't find the examples of him being attracted to guys very great. While I do for girls. Once I find something that convinces me I'll change my stance. It's not such a big deal and I don't expect people to agree with me. Maybe I shouldn't use the words 'af' if that's what you're taking issue with.

[Sdm]

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse but my only issue with you is that it seems like you're trying to sidestep what is being said to you. Use "straight af" if you want to and have whatever stance you believe to be correct, just please do what we suggest that everyone does in general and bring specific examples if you're going to make claims. I don't think that's unreasonable to ask at all. Someone please tell me if it is.

 

EDIT: And to clarify, I'm sure we've all had moments of just expressing our gut feelings and identifying them as nothing more than that, but I don't think that there's a reason to be against the idea of providing evidence for statements or being asked to do so.

 

If you read my earlier comment I was mostly talking about RM and Jin being suspicious and just mentioned Vmin in passing. Its like how people list out members of a group they think are straight or gay. Anyways I explained my reasoning the first time I was told to so I think the discussion is done now.

Edited January 22, 2018 by Sdm