Which male idols do you think are gay?

[witchcocktor]

Regarding how fans would react to their bias coming out as gay, I feel like it... wouldn't possibly be that bad? I mean yes, the completely delusional fans who think they are going to marry their bias, would obviously be turned off but, I feel like the concept of '' better that he is with another man than with a woman, this way no other woman can have him '' would be pretty common. I feel like that's portion of the appeal of boys love and yaoi to begin with. 

 

Regardless, I don't think we'll see any idol coming out of the closet voluntarily anytime soon. Sometimes I even have doubts something like that happening even during our life time, but that's just me being negative. I can potentially see LGBT artists outside of the idol spectrum finding fame and fortune in SK. We have Holland and MRSHLL, but Holland's hype seems to be purely from an international fanbase, and MRSHLL while despite being incredibly talented, doesn't seem to be enjoying a lot of fame or hype. But I still see artists outside of the idol world coming out, or new already out artists emerging and climbing the ladder.

Edited December 31, 2018 by witchcocktor

[witchcocktor]

You doubt something like that would happen in our life time?

 

Maybe I am too optimistic but LGBT acceptance is rising rapidly even in korea and it might take some time but it won't take 50 years or something like that lmao

 

I don't know, I'm leaning on no. I think LGBT people will rise in other sectors of entertainment, but idols specifically... I feel like the whole idol industry will become irrelevant and go under before we get a group with an out gay member. 

[witchcocktor]

I can see the idol industry becoming outdated and irrelevant in the (near?) future unless there's a reformation but I still think we are going to get out gay idol(s) before that.

It largely depends on society and the public's perception of gay people.

It's getting better each year and with globalization and the increase of LGBT media representation it's only a matter of time.

Remember that in 2003 homosexuality was still illegal in parts of the US and only 12 years later gay marriage would be legalized.

 

Maybe, I'm not denying the possibility, and even in 3 measly years, a lot CAN change. 

 

When LGBT becomes more '' cool, edgy and underground '' with the youth I can see idol companies trying to monetize that subculture. You can already see it kind of happening. In a funny way kpop feels so forward-thinking, but at the same time completely out of touch and/or conservative. 

[witchcocktor]

It's actually sad that something like sexuality has to become "trendy" or in other words profitable for something like homosexuality to be accepted but that's just how the world goes...

 

I know this opinion is probably unpopular but to some extent I also don't mind straight people fetishizing us as long as it results in them being profitable to us such as paying money to watch movies about us and as long as they are actual allies don't inflict harm on real life LGBT people.

 

They can ship shit all they want I don't care...

We will always be at the mercy of the majority and their acceptance and tolerance to give us a space in life and in entertainment. 

 

I think the most important thing to remember is that change will happen, but it's not the idol industry that needs the change, it's South Korea, it's culture and it's people. The idol industry will follow if life becomes better and safer for LGBT individuals in SK.

 

At this point, I think it'd just be cool to see a popular idol group produce a song that highlights LGBT issues, or just a song about pride and self-acceptance. I don't think that's too far out or wild, heck, I could see it happen in 2019!

[witchcocktor]

SK has yet to have their "Stonewall Moment", that is, one grand moment of transformation. In the USA this took place in 1969 at the Stonewall Inn, NYC. Out of this came the Gay Liberation Front, and a host of Gay Rights groups that eventually changed the public's mind, as well as the medical profession which at one point had Homosexuality listed as a mental health issue.

 

One day SK will enact it's own version, and this will set in motion the final shift...when that will be, I've no idea, but each nation has had it happen in one form or another.

 

One can only hope that whatever it is, it won't cost even a single innocent life. But that's hard to imagine. 

[witchcocktor]

I feel like if Dispatch has information on an LGBT couple, they'd have to have some pretty freaking damning evidence, and if they have damning evidence, this LGBT couple probably doesn't give a damn to begin with. Because if there's something we LGBT people know what to do, is hide our identity and play a role, and know the safe places where we can be ourselves. Pictures of people holding hands and hugging, that's not evidence enough.

 

All rumors about an idol being gay can be EASILY repelled with rumors of a fake straight relationship, or just a simple '' they are lying '' especially regarding idols that you would never think were gay. And this is why I have a hard time believing that Dispatch would release any information regarding a LGBT couple, because it can so easily backfire, not on the idols necessarily, but on Dispatch themselves. 

 

I might be completely insane when I write this but.. I'd smell something fishy if Dispatch was to '' out '' an LGBT couple. I would potentially think that it was an arranged thing, not to destroy a specific idol, no, but to see what the reception of an LGBT idol would be. Dispatch outing someone would get it's fair share of criticism, which would also kind of neutralize the reception, and of course I still believe there would be people who would be supportive. And even so, people would be skeptical, but the idea that this specific idol is not completely straight would strengthen, and make a future coming out potentially easier, because the general population already maybe has the idea that this person could be LGBT and the shock after them coming out would be lesser, maybe.

 

And then there's the negative reception, which can easily be fixed with '' deny deny deny. '' The idol can even come forth and be smart about it, say something like '' I am not dating this person, we are not a couple '' and therefor denying a relationship, but NEVER denying that they could be LGBT. 

 

Coming out is a process. A hard process. But wouldn't a gay idol who wants to come out do all this for the chance to one day come out on their own terms? Probably. 

[witchcocktor]

My heart aches for all the Korean gay (smut) fanartists that I follow on twitter ;; 

There's mandatory service in my country as well, but we have an option of civil service (and choosing that won't destroy our lives, and some even look up to choosing that) and you can pretty much be as gay as you want in the military, within boundaries I'd assume. 

Edited January 1, 2019 by witchcocktor

[witchcocktor]

Excuse my naivety in these matters but if Dispatch regularly outs straight couples every year how is this not seen as totally contrived by the Korean public? 

 

Someone on here said a while ago that the Korean system of dating in entertainment was like playground antics as compared to western celebrity which just sees adults date each other without any public drama (unless they create it themselves, side eyes Cardi and Offset). 

 

Do Koreans genuinely believe that, say, Kai and Jennie must be a legit couple because Dispatch seems to be the one in control of their relationship, or does anyone question if it's all just one big PR move? Why not just come out on their own terms? Or is it to do with one or other party being afraid to tell their company? And why is a pair of consenting adults dating each other seen as a 'scandal'? 

 

Genuine questions, I'm very curious.  

 

I mean people everywhere around the world take everything they read in the news and (social) media for granted without ever thinking twice. That's why PR relationships and such exist. People are fools.

[witchcocktor]

Heechul is probably living his best damn life (as he possible can as a potentially LGBT idol/celebrity) in the glass closet, I doubt we'll see him coming out officially anytime soon. Why risk it when you can comfortably be yourself behind the cameras, and the industry isn't trying to smoke you out as long as you play for the cameras? Some are fine with living a double life so to speak.

Edited January 2, 2019 by witchcocktor

[witchcocktor]

I've been watching those dreadful '' unpopular kpop opinions '' youtube videos and so many come for our boy Holland way too much. People really don't understand that he has no idol training background, so no, he is not going to be the most professional singer or dancer. He is using his sexuality as a way to market himself and also spread awareness, and that is good enough for now. Yes, people are going to follow him solely because of his sexuality, but that's part of his marketing, part of what makes him stand out and what allows him to pursue this career. While it would be nice to imagine that we live in a '' sexuality doesn't matter, it's a non-issue '' world where promoting yourself through your sexuality would be seen as weird because equality exists, this is not the case, especially not for SK. 

 

There was one video that said '' he is gay, just a normal person, not a fucking unicorn '' which made me laugh because if you really think about it, Holland really is a unicorn. How many Korean LGBT artist do you know of? Thought so. 

 

I also really hate when people say '' who cares '' when LGBT people especially from non-western countries come out. Literally shut the fuck up, while you might enjoy living in a country where people are '' more accepting '' and gay marriage is legal, this might not be the case for people from other countries and regions. So keep your shit opinion to yourself.

Edited January 3, 2019 by witchcocktor

[witchcocktor]

Pretty sure it's been posted before but I want us to appreciate again one of the gayest kpop group:Imfact

 

 

 

Maybe it's because im not a stan (trying to get into them) and don't know korean but I am surprised at the shit that they get away with.

 

This honestly just seems like obvious teasing. A lot of these scenes are just uncomfortable to me lol.

 

But I do have to wonder if less-known male groups have to embark on male-on-male fanservice more to get noticed (until they become big enough to not do it as much anymore)?

[witchcocktor]

yall did u hear about the sasaeng fan that said she has proof yuta is gay????!!! and she's gonna expose them

 

This is just so dumb and wrong in so many levels lmao. But '' proof '' huh, I can't help but wonder what the '' proof '' could be.

[witchcocktor]

Minhyuk living the best life

 

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He really went for the dick and ass like that? Amazing. 

[witchcocktor]

I mean we are lightly assuming someone is gay based on them saying '' i like animals cuz they are fluffy and cute '' so if someone thinks a similar comment is '' proof '' of someone being asexual HEY GO FOR IT LMAO.

 

With that said, there are no big stereotypes about asexual people other than... uhhh... not liking profanity or sexual content? So I'm impressed if someone can come to the conclusion that someone is asexual based on how they act. What they say is a totally different matter though. 

 

Also asexual =/= aromantic. Asexual are still hetero-, bi- or homoromantic. 

[witchcocktor]

Don’t twist my words! I never said once that asexuality was an insult, I merely said it’s not necessary to put that label on an idol who you know nothing of their sex life. Also!!! sexuality is NOT limited to the bedroom, that would be asexuality only if I’m not mistaken. Speculating if someone is gay is not inherently speculating what their sex lives are like.

 

 

 

 

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A point made imo. Saying someone might be gay doesn't invalidate them being asexual.

[witchcocktor]

This is j-pop related but since we don't have our own thread, here goes

 

 

 

 

Atsushi from EXILE is suspicious to me. It can be debated where LDH is considered an idol company or not.

 

- almost 20 years in the business, and no dating rumors/scandals until several of his bandmates were getting hitched, and then we got a quick rumor that he was marrying a school teacher, and there was a picture of him with a woman whose face was censored. It didn't take long for Atsushi to make a post on instagram about it, denying everything, just saying she was someone he dated until they broke up because their paths took them to different directions. He also said they dated for 4 years. Really, 4 years and no one made a tabloid about it until now, conveniently when your other bandmates are getting hitched and starting families? Okay, gotcha!

 

- in the same post he denied marriage rumors, he also said that he is still looking for the right PERSON to marry. Note, person, not woman. 

 

- seems to be the emotional time. I remember when Hideaki Tokunaga was visiting one of EXILE's shows, and he sung a pretty ballad, Atsushi was crying afterwards. Nothing out of the ordinary, but he was literally the only one visibly and audibly crying. 

 

- seems to be pretty socially conscious and all about human rights. Has never, ever touched LGBT themes though.

 

- this instagram post. gets drunk and starts holding another man's (his bandmates) hand. cute, not evidence, but cute.

 

 

 

- uh, this instagram post. Yeah, pose for the camera bitch! might I add that his appearance (in this picture especially) is pretty stereotypical Japanese gay male appearance. 

 

 

 

- and lastly, this instagram post. 

 

 

 

it's him laying down on a bed or a sofa, with his '' staff member '' trying to take a picture of him while Atsushi is like '' nnoooo~~~~ '' 

so i got interested, who this staff member is that is taking his picture, because he linked this guy's instagram, so i started snooping (i know, snooping some random staff members insta) and saw one of his posts being the rainbow flag. okay, that's cool. He has several, several photos of him with Atsushi as well. Okay, that's cool too. I was looking at one insta post about his birthday which said

 

'' YOU change my world.

Our friendship will lead us back together even if we are miles apart,

you know who I’m talking about:) ''

 

Year later, another instagram post about his birthday had this caption

 

'' Thank you for being you… 

for sharing your love with me… 
for inspiring me to accept myself… 

for helping me see the unique beauty in imperfection…  '' 

 

He also mentioned Atsushi in this insta post. '' you '' could mean plural, but regardless, maybe, I DONT KNOW!!!

 

they could be good friends, they could be nothing more than staff, or they could be lovers, I DONT KNOW!

 

all i'm saying is that Atsushi is hella suspicious to me. 

 

 

and outside of him, there's Tanaka Koki being bisexual af (idk what the context is, but relevant either way)

 

[witchcocktor]

 

I don't know this man but one of my favorite Japanese actors recently got married. There was no gossip about him, but it turned out that he dated the woman for 6 years! So everything is possible. Especially when it comes to the idol world.

 

 

I can understand that that's no proof, but this news came out very close after Takahiro (the other vocalist of Exile alongside Atsushi) and Emi Takei announced pregnancy and their (shotgun) wedding. Besides, this man has literally had no other rumors or gossip for almost 20 years. He could be just a very careful private person but regardless everything about this SCREAMS fake. It was a quick little rumor that was debunked fast. 

Edited January 5, 2019 by witchcocktor

[witchcocktor]

There used to be one, it died. So if anyone here has the scoop on J-idols, I say here with it. Someone help me to finally decode Uepi, please. T_T

Haven't heard Uepi having any rumors. But I think Kamenashi is pretty heavily speculated.

What makes you suspicious of him?

 

Anyway, in my wildest dreams Tomoya Nagase would be hella gay. But I'll settle for this gif

 

 

 

[witchcocktor]

The thing that makes me sad is how LGBT+ idols are likely going to struggle if they stay based in South Korea. It's so damn toxic from every angle for LGBT+. I mean there's change, at ground level, but not really in the idol ranks in any meaningful way. All these award shows seem to me to be an extension of hierarchical stuff, just dressed up in sparkly clothing. 

 

I mean we will never know what kind of success and career and LGBT idol can have until an LGBT idol comes out. I don't really believe he'd be smoked out of the industry or anything, but he would probably need to find another career inside the entertainment industry. 

 

I'm wondering it we'll see a non-Korean-citizen idol come out first, because he wouldn't be required to enlist. I'm not sure how the whole enlistment thing works for men born outside of Korea. 

[witchcocktor]

Any gay person can see themselves in Jungwoo and the way he carries himself, his mannerisms and the way he acts around men. He's as much of an obvious case as Ten and i understand some people may need 500 pages of evidence, but sometimes you see a gay person and you just know because you are gay yourself and can tell.

I can?

[witchcocktor]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/kim-heechul-gay-rumors-6-party-talks/

 

Heechul discussing his gay rumors (again). OK, OK, sure...

 

Interesting. But honestly, what he talks about, it's not per se about gay rumors, but gay love triangle rumors. He isn't talking about a rumor about him being gay and then denying that being true, but denying that he is involved in some love triangle that include two other male celebrities. He is more so angry that other celebrities he doesn't know got suck into his gay rumor thing.

 

Seems calculated that he never denied being gay during this whole segment.

Edited February 27, 2019 by witchcocktor

[witchcocktor]

Well let me be a bitter, angry gay man and say that while yes, outing someone is detestable, I also have absolutely NO empathy for established, big celebrities and other notable people, who remain in the closet because of the convenience of it all. It's an understandable choice, but I hope whenenver they hear some young person killing themselves because they were bullied for being gay, or when they hear people around them being homophobic (and they don't do ANYTHING about it), they feel a huge STING in their hearts. 

 

It's not their job to be anyone's hero, sure, but if you have the choice to be someone's hero, someone's reason to live and thrive, someone's reason to not give up... I would of course respect a person so much more for taking that heroic route, even if it is damn hard. That is being brave. 

 

Of course there are cultures where coming out is a risk of losing everything, even your life. And sometimes being in the closet, sadly often, is the only reasonable choice. But when you have the possibility to change the culture around you, and you have the finances and power to do that, and potentially even a group of people and family who will support you no matter what... well, idk, I think coming out should be encouraged in that case.

 

It's just annoying how this generation and next generations initially are the ones who will have to change the culture drastically around LGBT people and celebrities, as those established celebrities keep on living their life in the closet, not offering the support that they could. We have all these others things laying heavy on our shoulders, and issues we will have to face, so it'd be nice to have a little more support. Though in the west, often celebrities are coming out, but usually only to promote whatever they are working on. Well, baby steps I guess.

 

I will say that while social media is a pit of bullshit and scum, it has opened a lane for new type of idols and people to look up to. Social media is giving youth a pedestal to speak on, and become famous, without having to deal with companies, agents and bosses who want to shove you in the closet. Not about South Korea specifically, although effects can surely be felt there too, but there definitely has been a rise of LGBT/gay youtubers in Japan, when few years backwards there wasn't like, anyone. Now there are several.

For all it's faults, social media is helping LGBT people, the youth specifically, to become entertainers, artists, celebrities and '' idols '' in their own lane.

Edited March 3, 2019 by witchcocktor

[witchcocktor]

But it's true. Young Koreans aren't homophobic at all IMO. I never felt like I had to hide my sexuality there.

 

'' Dozens arrested as South Korean military conducts 'gay witch-hunt' '' 

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/11/asia/south-korea-lgbt-military/index.html

[witchcocktor]

I didn't consider that the companies would prevent them, but I wonder why exactly? I guess the youth in places like Indonesia might be against?

 

Because idol industry isn't (just) about music, it's about non-sexual light prostitution. I'm not trying to be edgy or shady, it's just that the idol industry is not so much about selling art, music, but rather beautiful, talented men and women to their opposite sex. Big money comes from selling a fantasy, selling hope to the fans that their favorite idol would one day notice them, and that they could even have a chance at dating them. That's where the money is. An LGBT person, especially a gay male one, can't really do this effectively.

 

Also, you said that '' it's the older generation that is homophobic '' well... guess who is running the idol industry? Who is sitting on the big chair making the big decisions? Definitely not the younger generation. 

[witchcocktor]

Also I'm putting up a reminder: entertainment/music industry outside of the idol industry HAS out gay men, and has art and entertainment that includes clear LGBT themes. But this thread is specifically for idols, and the idol industry =/= entirety of the entertainment industry.

 

I do think that we'll have a (new) moderately popular/successful non-idol LGBT musician/entertainer before an LGBT idol comes out (maybe). And if not that, then at least gay themes will become more popular in media consumed by the '' social media '' generations. Youtube will probably blow up with more Korean LGBT content in the upcoming years.