Which male idols do you think are gay?

[reiichi]

Ok really, I’ve read that so many NCT members are gay - which ones are NOT lol

I’ll just list the ones that ping and ones that don’t - didn’t include the dreamies because I don’t really watch their content:

 

Ping:

TEN

Jungwoo

 

Kind of, so could be bi/pan:

Taeyong

Lucas

Haechan

 

Do not ping:

Yuta

Doyoung

Mark

Taeil

Johnny

Jaehyun

 

Mark doesn't really ping or anything, but some of his interactions with Daniel in It's Dangerous Beyond the Blankets were... kinda suspicious. It seriously looked like he had a crush.

[reiichi]

Always suspected him tbh. And very telling that his weibo username predebut used to be Zhu Zhu loves Exo Sehun the most.

Interesting how all the people he got close to in PD101 were also sus to me like Eunki and Shihyun etc.

The other day there was some talk in the Nine Percent thread, Zengting apparently had a rumor about having a girlfriend and I basically went "lol why is HE the first one to get such a rumor". Like, he's the only one in the group I can't imagine dating a girl.

[reiichi]

How did the Chinese sensors let that get through ?

 

Probably because it's only shown online, not on public broadcast.

[reiichi]

Well shit. I guess I stan Kris again. I dropped him for a while because he left EXO, but also because Tao was my original bias in EXO. I liked their relationship even though I was trying to ignore EXO at the time.

 

Like I always say, yep. I am an idiot because, I know, that seriously doesn't make any sense to me either.

 

You may be glad to learn that Kris and Tao recently made up. They were invited at the same new year music show, at some point ended up standing next to each other... And when everybody thought they'd keep ignoring each other, they hugged. And then followed each other on weibo.

[reiichi]

I TOTALY AGREE. Lay really pinged me in idol producer he seemed to have a soft spot for cai. I remember when I saw a video of when he was asked his ideal type usually he states the type of girl and he said "he does not care anymore" and the caption said "when ur slowly switching teams LOL". I remember whe people thought he was homophobic I personally do not think he is.

 

The most suspicious of the two was definitely Xukun. Who's normally hard to read since he's pretty introverted and image-concious, but got supremely shy around Lay, who was playfully teasing everyone (especially Xukun) whenever he wasn't in stern teacher mode. 

[reiichi]

Just going back to the Jungkook thing, it's amazing how straight people try to explain his reactions to girls by calling him a baby and captioning his pictures with, "I'm too young to see this." The guy is 21 years old. He's said he dated a girl in middle school and broke up with her because he wasn't interested in her. It's not like he's never been introduced to the concept of girls. 

 

Not to mention BigHit has a lot of female staff, including a producer (ADORA) he probably has spent a ton of time with (they do most of the background vocals together +  she co-produced Magic Shop).

 

Fans should stop seeing him like a child. He's a grown man.

[reiichi]

You mean that anime about the boys swimming team? Lol it catered so much girls that even I wouldn't be able to watch it unironically  (and I'm a girl )  

 

Kinda OT but :

 

 

I seriously and unironically like Free!. The first season was pure fanservice, but very pleasantly so as it didn't take itself seriously (I mean you could tell that the writers were having a lot of fun teasing the yaoi fangirls with the most ambiguous scenes possible), and the dynamics between characters are great, whether you ship them or not.

 

Second season is much more serious and less fanservice-y, but in exchange it's actually interesting theme-wise ; Haru (the main character) is in his last year of high school and has choices to make regarding his future, except he's depressive and doesn't know what he wants to do anymore. So even if it's not revolutionary, there's good character development, and as with all shows the studio has done, the rhythm is good so it's an easy watch, with top-notch technical execution (KyoAni has the best animation even on their TV shows).

 

Granted I'm in the target demographic to begin with (as an anime fan and an unrepenting, equal opportunity shipper) but I was pleasantly surprised by that show.

 

I do agree that Jungkook even starting to watch that show is hella suspicious, but that he liked it doesn't surprise me at all. Because behind all the fanservice there's themes that probably speak to him - friendship, competition, sacrificing your youth for something uncertain but you're passionate about.

 

 

[reiichi]

Honestly, I have no idea what's going on but here's Jungkook broadcasting from the damn closet. 

 

Enjoy.

 

https://twitter.com/BTS_twt

 

Apparently it's his bedroom, he just has an open closet in it.

[reiichi]

I get frustrated by this too for a couple reasons:

 

1) assumes there's no cross-pollination between Western gay culture and Korean gay culture, which is wrong

 

2) it doesn't consider that gay idols could use korea's homosocial blindspot to "hide in plain sight"

 

3) it's part of a backlash among Western fans where they claim that everything from colourism awareness to fighting homophobia is "western imperialism," as if there aren't gay Koreans and Black Koreans. Maybe they should try listening to actual Koreans instead of talking over them.

 

I'm Korean and while I think there are different norms for physical affection, Korea isn't some cloistered sheltered oasis with no exposure to western culture. The truth is always more complicated than fandom agenda.

 

Also, people arguing that idols say and do things that we see as gay, but they themselves are pure souls that don't see it that way.

Idols are perfectly aware that what they do as fanservice comes across as gay, They know that shipping is a big part of fan culture, and companies encourage skinship because shipping is like fandom fuel.

[reiichi]

I might do a mini-writeup on my ult Yanjun later, but here are some un-straight excerpts from his recent interview! I love him so much

 

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Honestly Yanjun's public persona that drove him up in the IP ranking had two big components :

- flirting with everything that moves (or even doesn't, damn that was hilarious)

- lame jokes

so I can easily see both of these as fanservice.

 

You'll have to be more convincing than that ;)

[reiichi]

but what's wrong with having an opinion? And gaydar can be true, some gay/lgbt people can recognize who is gay/bi. 

You could have say it less rudely. Like for example " Honestly i think it's impossible to tell from first glare"

But some people believe in gaydar and you have to respect it

 

I'd agree that gaydar works when you're meeting someone IRL, however a few overly edited videos aren't enough to judge body language (because 'gaydar' is basically a specialized reading of body language, nothing more).

[reiichi]

So people think it's okay to be rude and call people on this thread 'fucking weird'? That's acceptable, is it?

 

There's some odd mentality going on here.

 

I think you're the overly sensitive one here, most people understood it as a strongly worded 'very weird', not an insult.

[reiichi]

 

​Seventeen

• Verkwan is/was actively pushed by agency to hide the real couple (I don't know if they are still together). Some people think it could be Vernon/Minghao.  

 

 

And yet the couple-y photos are on Seungkwan's personal instagram, not on the group's account. Not saying they're a real couple (maybe they're trolling us), but more, they're the ones who are pushing it, not the company. Plus the fact that they had way more skinship before debut, as if Pledis asked them to tone it down.

[reiichi]

 

God this has been on my mind so much lately. Two older guys in their 30s I know just came out as bi and they both said that they've gone their whole lives unquestioningly thinking of themselves as straight. My bisexual ex was the same, thought he was straight until our relationship and has only dated girls since. My 'straight' friend who loves his wife just opened up to me about hooking up with guys in TGIFridays bathrooms when he was younger. Sorry if this is too much personal venting lmao but sexuality does exist on a spectrum and bisexuality in particular can go unstated or even undetected for forever. I think a lot of people don't realise that bisexuality doesn't have to be a 50/50 thing to be be bisexuality.

 

Even if rumours are true and there are only a couple of self-aware/known-about lgbt members in certain groups, even if a member or two of a group came out and the rest remained silent, it never rules out the possibility of there being more.

 

 

This, so much. Society is heteronormative, so for someone who's attracted mostly to the opposite sex, it can take quite a lot of introspection to realize they're not quite straight, compared to gays/lesbians who just know they're different from the get go. From the moment I had a sex drive, I had some lesbian fantasies, but I didn't have words for it until much later in my life, and by the time I started to admit I was crushing on girls, I was in a stable heterosexual relationship with my now-husband, so I never acted on it.

 

Also there are quite a lot of people who are bisexual, but aren't biromantic, won't ever go past 'experimenting', and will not see themselves as bi since they only had serious relationships with one sex.

 

[reiichi]

I also don't believe this one, but rumor about Vernon/Minghao sounds interesting Ñ:

 

My post originally ended with (I wanna read that Vernon/Minghao fic) but I decided to delete it because I didn't want to cheapen my post with something shippy.

Edited March 6, 2019 by reiichi

[reiichi]

Out of topic about seungri so under spoiler. Don't you guys find it weird that the scandal blew up so soon after the SOPA scandal, a scandal that ACTUALLY deserves more attention?

 

I suggest you watch the video dkdktv made about the SOPA scandal before saying that, because if you had watched it you would know that it's pretty much resolved. There was a very quick response coming from the local education authorities, they made an investigation, reported to the police about the forced labor + other things the principal and his wife did with the school's money.  And both have been demoted from their positions already so they can't do anything anymore.

[reiichi]

Question for everyone here, is there a consensus of idols whose body language immediately pings you? Like, the way they walk and sit and generally move about? I've been watching Taeyong lately and I always notice certain gestures and movements that he does, that sets off my gaydar (but as a Taeyong stan, I may be projecting lol). Anyway, I obviously I don't want to generalize or adhere to stereotypes, but as we saw with Jimin in Malta, some things are just so innate that it's practically unconscious. 

 

Honestly ? Daewhi... he's like, the most girly male idol I've ever seen.

[reiichi]

The discussion about sexuality can turn sexual very fast, and the line is very thin, therefore we as staff want to avoid any discussion that might be inappropriate as much as we can everywhere on the forum, be it here or The Bar. If there are underage users on this forum who want to share any of their experiences, that's up to them and we can't control that.

 

 

I've literally never seen anybody talk about sexual experiences or practices in this thread, and I've been following it for months. We're mostly having conversations about who might be gay in the kpop industry, based on their behavior and statements. People who talk about their own experiences don't talk about sex, but about the social repercussions of being gay.

[reiichi]

where in my post did I say sexual experiences of users? I meant experiences as a gay person. but go off I guess.

 

You were implying that the reason why we shouldn't discuss underage idols in this thread is that it could derail into discussing sex. I was just saying that it NEVER happens.

[reiichi]

 

 

Well if you're going to forbid us to talk about underage idols here, do the same in the shipping threads ? Because if there are people speculating wildly, that's in the shipping threads.

[reiichi]

OMG THAT'S SO CUTE T.T

Where is that from btw ? 

 

Their debut celebration show (says so in the corner). 

[reiichi]

Is bogum still part of that creepy cult?

 

Leaving the cult would mean leaving his family since his parents are in it. There's a chance that he doesn't believe in their bullshit anymore, but remains officially part of that church because he doesn't want to cut ties with his parents.

[reiichi]

Where can we watch the new produce? Also I think I’ve seen that guy before is he that street dancer?

 

Edit- I’m getting more convinced that the boyfriend thing with Holland is storyline.

 

There's already a subbing team announced : https://twitter.com/x101_subs

[reiichi]

Anyway lmao. I kinda want to talk about idol culture. So it’s well established that Korean men are more touchy than men in Western countries. But, the level of touchiness when it comes to idols is definitely levels above and should be its separate topic instead of just saying that’s just how koreans are.

Could it be because they train together and live together for so many years? Or is it because there are a lot of queer idols (as mentioned previously by some “insidersâ€/people in the industry? Since a lot of things can be seen purely as fan service maybe they think they can be more open?

 

Would love to hear what you think.

 

Honestly in a lot of cases (including BTS) I think that it's a mix of close friendship + fanservice expectations, and sometimes actual attraction. I don't think there are many actual couples, but considering most groups debut in their late teens, there has to be some crushes, and maybe sexual experimentation.

[reiichi]

4 hours ago, Yggdrasil said:

I want to talk about Dongpyo from X1, but he's still a kid and we all know what happened last time...

 

Well Dongpyo is Daewhi 2.0, I've said it from the day his PR video dropped and everything since has reinforced that impression.

He's still young though, just turned 17, so probably not so sure of anything himself.

Can we talk about Yohan's gay panicking though ?