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On 11/19/2017 at 1:54 AM, seokseok said:

lol

 

 

 

 

This was hilariously edited. And interesting : I didn't know about the predebut photos (which are not prooves of anything but so far away from Yoongi's current image that it can be telling of someting) and also the song about hiding his "despicable" true self. And the last clip of the 2nd video was hilarious : he indeed was totally unable to show any sincere interest in the girl (but then, he's not known to be a very good actor, especially back then). On an another note, since they're friends (or at least friendly),  I also find it interesting that Zhoumi said he was disappointed (and genuinely looked like it) when Yoongi described an ideal man so far way from what he is.

Seventeen : On another note, things on my timeline reminded me of this and might as well sharing my thoughts.

When I first saw One Fine Day in Japan (and I knew close to nothing about Seventeen at this time), I found the whole Jeonghan-Mingyu don't match/aren't close a little weird (their reactions, the members' ecstatic reaction and S. Coups sabotaging their "date" constantly) like there's something here we're not aware of, but that's it. What I do find interesting is that, even though they proved and still prove many times they're really close, they keep pushing that narrative.

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So I just wonder what this push-and-pull thing is about. They both pinged me at different times and separately for different reasons, but I don't have any strong opinion on either of them (I'm leaning more towards Mingyu being gay than Jeonghan, but the latter has an iron shell while the former seems a little bit more naively sincere) but their moments together are one of these reasons. I don't think they're together or anything like that but I do get a really flirty vibe from their interactions.

Wanna One : I remember seeing here Jinyoung going into bed with Minhyun so I wonder how it came to this. (what a h*e ^^)

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welcome to the fabbest thread of them all... disclaimer: unless specifically stated by the person being discussed, anything and everything proposed in this thread is pure speculation.  

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Sorry for the double post but it was getting long.

(Disclaimer : I'm clearing my twitter likes  )

There's also this from Woozi aka I-don't-like-skinship :

And Zuho enjoying himself :

One of these times Jeonghan pings :

Here. Just some material to add to the discussion.

On the BTS discussion (in spoiler because the subject is getting kinda repetitive) :

 

While I do think it's really positive Namjoon adressed the question in terms of boyfriends and girlfriends, whatever he really meant, and didn't go full no-homo after the interviewer understood it as them potentially having boyfriends and girlfriends, I also think BTS is getting progressively really done with the questions they get in America. See this hilarious video to understand what I mean :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN_NdNuUqKY

So it's kinda hard to tell when they're annoyed at answering the same questions over and over, or if it's because it's once again a heavily US oriented question, or because it's about girls. But probably a little bit of everything I guess.

 

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I see what they mean when they say their personalities don't match, because from what we know about them, they really don't complement each other at all. I think it's natural that in the band with thirteen members, they are not all best friends with each other but obviously, they all are close. I don't see anything contradictory or suspicious in their relationship.

 

what exactly pings you here? that's a genuine question, I really don't know 

It's not exactly "suspicious" and I'm not sure they're even aware of it. They keep saying they're very close but too different (for what though since they said they're close anyway ?). I just get that vibe you can find in best friends, like, when everyone around them say they would be so good together and they keep answering "it's not like that, we're too different to be with each other, we'd fight all the time" (something Jeonghan explicitly said like this by the way) but everyone knows it's BS and half the time, they do end up together. But well, it's heading towards extrapolation so I'm gonna stop here, but just to give you an overall impression of what I meant.

 

And he pings me here just because people always say that Jeonghan has feminine features but no feminine mannerism so it was a counter-example of that. But I do agree it's not the most consistent material. Constantly touching his members' butts, often in ways it shouldn't really be seen on camera (I can think of the times he touched Woozi's and Mingyu's quite discreetly and they were the ones exposing him, willingly or not), and the way he freezes and puts on a cold face everytime he's not the one initiating skinship, are actually more telling (and yet not quite enough to actually form a strong opinion for me).

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On 11/19/2017 at 11:10 PM, Mingyu's Blue Hair said:

About Mingyu-Jeonghan thing I am thinking the same. I think Mingyu loves to flirt with people.

 

And most thing that suspect me they always claim they not get along well despite they have great relationship. So I am thinking they try to hide their relationship. Jeongyan has a feminine look. So maybe Mingyu try to satisface his desires with Jeonghan because they don't get many changes to intract with females.

Not with the feminine-masculine analogy... It's heteronormativity. If a gay man wanted someone just because they're feminine, he would go for a girl and then, would just be straight. If Mingyu wanted a girl, I'm sure he could find one.

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Idk if I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say, but if a gay man wanted someone because they are feminine, they would go for a feminine guy. You can be attracted to femininity/masculinity without being attracted to the opposite sex/same sex...

That's not what I meant, I said "if they wanted someone just because they're feminine". Like "I can handle you having a d*ck if you're feminine enough", which was what the OP implied (english is not my first langage so it may have came out wrongly).

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Ahhh ok. You put if gay guy (I guess you meant straight) wanted someone just because they were feminine, he would go for a girl and I guess that's where I got confused lol

Oh did I ? Sorry then, I wrote quite quickly (cause the answer was upsetting ^^).

 

I forgot, I came here to post this (they were just filming something, but it's still funny):

 

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Holy sh*t ! Not saying it's definite proof or anything, but I've never seen Jin this flustered before !!! (especially in the 2nd gif, with the quick look on Hope's lips) Isn't it even the 1st time ever he showed this kind of expression ?? I started to think he was asexual tbh.

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On 2/19/2018 at 4:30 AM, raspberry84 said:

Here are my thoughts on BTS (although like I said earlier, this group is confusing as fuck):

 

Straight:

 

Jin - I know he's debated and I get why but right now I haven't seen anything that's convinced me he isn't straight. He seems comfortable in his own skin but that's it.

 

Jimin - I use to be convinced he was bi/gay but I've settled on thinking he just wasn't comfortable in his own skin. He definitely tried to do the hyper masculine thing (which wasn't really him) but now seems comfortable being himself and softer. That said, he seems close to other speculated queer idols and there are a few moments I've raised an eyebrow at so I don't think it would take much for me to go back to thinking he's queer.

 

Queer:

 

V: I lean towards gay but possibly bi. Between Stigma, his letter to Jimin on Bon Voyage and the comments that he dealt with something last year makes me think he came to terms with his sexuality and came out to the rest of BTS in early 2017 (see Suga for more on the timing of this). Not to mention whatever his relationship with Bogum is. Oh, also him recently singing a Sam Smith song on the Bangtan Bomb (and his general love of queer artists/photographers/etc).

 

Jungkook: He's a hard one because he loves being the baby of the group, is physically affectionate with all his band members and he gets babied by the group (I mean, up until recently he routinely slept in their beds) so it's hard to read. Especially since he doesn't have that many public interactions with people outside of BTS. But looking at his Troye obsession, the video he made about his trip with Jimin and his general appreciation of queer artists I think the boy definitely ain't straight.

 

Suga: Gay. Very, very gay. The man is definitely not looking for a relationship right now and is focused on his career but I still think he's out and has been for a while now. He made a comment that gender didn't matter, gives way more specific details about what he thinks is attractive in males opposed to his stock answers about females and his recent comment about everyone being equal and love being love. Also I do think he recently bonded with V when he came out. Not that they didn't get along before but there was definitely a shift after their bon voyage "date" where they had a long talk off camera. Now they're extremely close and a part of thinks they bonded over their queer or coming out experiences.

 

???:

 

J-Hope: This man is so guarded about his real personality and emotions it's hard to get any read on him. Who the fuck knows.

 

RM: He is either the world's best ally (which would make sense if he has several openly gay bandmates) or queer himself. I'm just not sure which side he falls on.

This is actually extremely interesting.

Everyone noticed something changed between Suga and V during BV2. Before that, Suga seemed the more distant one in a pretty neutral relationship, and now seems the most invested one (V looked like the one trying to get closer before).

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On 3/8/2018 at 11:21 PM, seokseok said:

he's mentioned prejudice before, the last time being in the ending ment for the wings concert (0.10)

 

 

he started crying directly afterwards...it seems to be really important to him 

 

On 3/8/2018 at 9:53 PM, gimmi said:

Idk what he was trying to say, but I find this very interesting

What do you guys think?

Not saying it is related to his sexuality, not saying it's about the idol rapper thing, but maybe it's a little bit of both ? A non-straight rapper who actually likes being an idol and its performance codes ? It kinda reminded me of that time he made sure everyone knew in the official video that he didn't like wearing the maid outfit and then this popped up :

Also, saw this and it made me think of Baekhyun talking about Sehun's nose ! lmao

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Ok, anyone watching Idol Producer ? I'd like to know people's opinions ! Here's mine.

For those who don't, well... enjoy ? 

First-of-all, our Gay King Zhu Zhengting (Jung Jung) of course. 

Also his reaction to the ghost prank was THE BEST !! (in spoilers because it might not be that relevant to his gayness... maybe)

 

 


 

 

Also, I think it's safe to say Chaoze. For the transition, here is him imitating Zhengting's mannerism (he's the same though so how ironic, but Zhengting said Chaoze was one of the trainees he was the closest to, so no worry... and also telling ?)

Then, he pings when he does latin dance (I didn't know it was popular amongst Chinese youth, at least 3 trainees knew how to dance it !!) :

But especially because he often takes the role of the girl and with sassiness :

The guy he dances with in these videos is Yanchen, who is confusing :

Justin just... doesn't care ? It may be him just acting childish.

(Zhengting's content laugh is everything)

Then, maybe surprisingly (192cm tall with a tough image and all that) but Bufan pings me as hell :

From 6:40, Qin's Entertainment being a whole Gay Mess :

Worth mentioning :

Zhangjing, a thread (note : "maiden" means "girly, feminine side" in chinese) :

And his other half, Yanjun (they are seriously whipped for each other) :

Panic gay followed by "liberating my true nature" ? I'm lost. Also, Jeffrey ?

EDIT : Forgot the part where Zhangjing and Yanjun are whipped for each other (I only found these but hey) :

(It's a popular bromance but I think Zhangjing is actually closer to Chaoze, their other labelmate)

Honestly, there are many moments/trainees who ping (but this post would become a even messier mess) but here is a sample/beginning !

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On 4/1/2018 at 6:08 AM, cheap thriâ„“â„“s said:

 

Btw am I the only who is getting a lag where everyone is a moderator??

Pretty sure it's an April fool joke from OH. ^^

Also, I'm not even following them that closely but I smell a big crush (not sure it's the appropriate word to put here but you know what I mean) between Jisung and Jihoon :

EDIT : Especially from Jihoon.

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On 4/8/2018 at 12:25 AM, burntgucci said:

Cypher part 3 in general is a sus song tbh

 

Oh, I didn't know they decided to add that part for lives !

Het fans : "It's just a metaphor to brag about his rapping, it's not actually about sex !"

Suga (to J-Hope) : "Moan for me."

On 4/8/2018 at 3:23 AM, l'étoile said:

Random but... I remember when I first got into NCT and Jaehyun immediately pinged. I had not ever seen anyone else talk about his sexuality, or the sexuality of NCT members in general, but when I did start looking for that info (like when I found this thread) I was shocked to see some people list him as one of the straight one.  He was always gay imo, bi at the very least.

I think most people here agree he's attracted to males (generally leaning towards bi/pan and a few towards gay) !

Edit : Also, Daehwi is a King. This level of confidence at his age ! I'm thankful he's in a company (not W1's, BNM) that doesn't make him feel afraid or wary of voicing his thoughts.

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About Heechul, just adding my 2 cents, I think it's pretty unfair to deem him "not brave". Like someone said, he's doing what he can within the small loopholes in the straight Korean media sytem. At least, he's getting Korean people used to the subject of homosexuality (from what I heard, aknowledging it even exists is a pretty big step in SK) and if he went any further, his voice would be shut down and his ass kicked out of tv shows. 

Honestly, SK is really conservative (I cringe everytime they brought up the divorce subject for example, but at least they're trying to "un-taboo" it and one of them speak up about it). Especially since the "con" guy for these are often Hodong, presented as the rep for much older/"has been" generations.

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They kept showing up on my tl and I stand by my opinion that Mingyu and Jeonghan are attracted to each other. 

Edit : It's even more striking up close :

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On 4/15/2018 at 6:16 AM, stillLeland22 said:

I don't even feel like this is about shipping. I don't ship them on any level and it seems hard to deny this tbh. Like I don't see how anyone can deny the basics of their being an attraction after seeing this. If people want to say there's nothing more, okay but there is def some attraction.

 

I totally get the way you worded this given the latest touchy but relevant subject of gay men fetishization and shipping fantasies, so I'm gonna take this opportunity to give my opinion here.

 

I try to discuss what I think is suspicious, but even then, it's still mostly about my faves (the ones I follow, simply), so as neutral as I want to be, I'm only human, how can I know it's not just wishful thinking ? Well, I thought it was the point of this thread : sharing with people who aren't biased towards my fave so they could confirm or debunk suspicions (without infantilizing people) and so, I could do the same with their faves I don't stan and can analyze neutrally.

But I feel like the response (and it's a representation of a very widely spread, american way of thinking, on social media nowadays) was very antagonizing. I think we should all remember ignorance can sometimes be just that, a form of naiveness, and policing/punishing/antagonizing will only serve a purpose of demonizing/martyring. I don't feel like it's gonna make things change in any way, except by dividing even more.

I get it can be tiring to see the same shit all the time, but just ignore it, it's easy to scroll past a post, and if you take time to actually answer, do it for educating, not shaming and witch-hunting (again, a general you). Because, as tiring as ignorant people are, people who claim to be educated and act like know-it-all, calling names and excluding people, are just as tiring.

 

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Just want to be sure I understand. I don't think you did, but just double checking: You didn't think I was accusing you of posting shippy posts, right?

 

 

No, don't worry !!! It's just that I felt you were being careful saying "It's not even about shipping" and I just thought that it was kinda sad (for lack of better words) that you had to make that point ! It made me realize that the latest discussions had an impact even on the most neutral people (in this case, you ^^) who felt like they had to justify themselves now. Maybe it wasn't the case, and you would have said that regardless of what happened lately in the thread, but it just made me think of that !

 

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On 4/17/2018 at 4:08 PM, idonthavethink said:

ahh, come ooooon! I just watched it again. If there was a girl behind that camera, no one would be finding excuses like "oh he just found it weird" or "he thought it was an official camera".

And, I'm maybe blind, but nothing about the way he's looking at that camera says "oh, this is weird" lol

Honestly, the 1st time I watched I thought it was an official fancam and then people kept saying fancam in the comments so I was like ? So even if he did watch him because it's rare to see guys doing fancams for him, or even to avoid looking at girls (not wanting to create scandal, shy or I dunno), it's obvious he was especially intense and get to it with the intention of making a lasting impression, consciously or not. Knowing that the guy is particularly handsome... It is interesting.

On 4/17/2018 at 10:19 PM, ixa said:

question, why does everyone think haechan is straight?? has he shown interest in girls before? I'm still pretty new to nct so

My (other) bias in NCT ! For the moment, I'm pretty neutral about Haechan. I never saw any interaction that made me immediately go "attraction" to girls or boys. He's comfortable with skinship, but as he is with most things regarding idol variety (seems pretty extravert).

I can only think of that time Mark exposed him for kissing Jeno on the lips and he froze awkwardly (guiltily maybe ?) before Mark backtracked saying it was on the cheek, then Haechan actually remembered the instance and owned it confidently. Even there, I don't know what went inside his head. He did look guilty but then, once he got what Mark was talking about, the "shame" went away.

So for now, I'll stick to neutral.

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On 4/18/2018 at 1:05 AM, HaneulCH said:

What do you think of Mark's sexuality?

I think he's not Straight.

Because Mark always reacts very awkwardly to skinship or romantic situation with a man.

Mark is still a tricky question for me too.

For the "gay panics" : I think it's him being mostly afraid of looking gay in front of the cameras. SM apparently wanted him to have a "hip-hop rapper" persona, as you can see an obvious difference between "On" Mark and "Off" Mark, a little like Taeyong and the "bad boy" persona. They're both bad at keeping the mask on and panic easily when these images are destroyed or when they don't look confident (unlike Jaehyun for example, who is better at keeping his "soft prince" persona on when needed, and letting it go for variety purposes). 

His relationship with Haechan is interesting because it's very obvious he's the most comfortable with him. And I remember something went wrong between them at some point (something deep or at least, running for a long time, because members once said they could hear them fighting every night in their room, which made them uncomfortable, then they changed rooms and finally, fans noticed they basically weren't talking to each other). And now that they're back on friendly terms, they seem a little bit more naturally touchy with each other (especially Mark).

And there are multiple possible explanations, for sure, but one that comes to my mind is Mark being mad at Haechan for making things "weird" between them or in the pucblic' eye (with skinship and so on). I dunno, just a (probably wild) theory but it went through my mind ^^ As of now, I'm neutral about Mark too 

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A listener asked what they would do if they were the only ones to know the other one was dating. They said that they'd of course keep the secret and then Seunghoon said that Seungyoon could have a boyfriend and he'd be fine with it.

 

Also this happened just a day after (yesterday):

 

 

Minseo (the female guest) was asked who she'd rather date from the DJs, Seunghoon or Seungyoon. Then Hoon asked the same question from Jannabi (the male band) "to be equal".

 

Not only WINNER Seunghoon but Seungyoon too since long time ago.

See the twitter thread for the whole content.

 

Wow ! Now that's inclusion !

And I can't help saying that this is what standing proudly behind the message of a song means, explaining which aspects he understood, that made him like it and support it (no shade towards BTS, they're literally my bias group, but it put things in perspective). Seungyoon and Seunghoon are my biases in Winner and I'm really admirative of how straightforward they are about this.

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I get what you're saying, but two things I think we should remember: 1) Yoongi was totally straightforward about it in that interview, and 2) Namjoon was totally straightforward in his original tweet (all the way back in early 2013) that he liked the song twice as much when he learned that it was about homosexuality. Also, I thought this was really telling:

 

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Plus this quote:

“how much can I share to not look weak to my fans and still remain faithful to them? how much truth can I get off my chest?†

I agree with Namjoon and "Same Love", I was mostly talking about people making quite huge conclusions (that could be true, but hinting personal tolerance and actually supporting are not the same thing) from some members suggesting songs !

I also think Namjoon is (with Yoongi) the most straightforward member about his support (and I'm really admirative of his general desire of awareness/education growth).

I didn't try to start an argument, I was genuinely stating that it put "songs as support" into perspective since until now, BTS' way to do it was the norm.

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I already posted that by mistake, that fanboy is a kid. laugh.png

 

 

I remember the original fancam of this and not only was this really taken out of context, but the fanboy was a child, so I think Suga was just looking at him fondly, actually, all members of BTS treated him really sweetly, it was adorable.

 

 

 

start at the 8:15 mark

 

 

 

To add onto the Sehun discussion - Sehun is my age, we're both adults who don't need babysitters or supervisors, and why would his be a famous chef????? Suke has a full-time job and a restaurant, not only does he make enough money to live well, but he doesn't need a second job in his spare time. Think with your heads people! Sehun might be playful at moments, but this guy does volunteer work in his free time and has amazing work ethic, and he's been a working man for years, he doesn't need someone to monitor him. Can't believe I read this with my very own two eyes. I guess people need some kind of explanation for Suke and Sehun spending all of their free time together, from holidays to charity events, and now it has come to this. 

Oh, shoot ! 0u0plz.png But it explains why he acted so differently suddenly, and the soft look he had ! I was wondering why noone talked about this before ilikeitplz.png Apologies !

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I already posted that by mistake, that fanboy is a kid. laugh.png

 

 

I remember the original fancam of this and not only was this really taken out of context, but the fanboy was a child, so I think Suga was just looking at him fondly, actually, all members of BTS treated him really sweetly, it was adorable.

 

 

 

start at the 8:15 mark

 

 

 

To add onto the Sehun discussion - Sehun is my age, we're both adults who don't need babysitters or supervisors, and why would his be a famous chef????? Suke has a full-time job and a restaurant, not only does he make enough money to live well, but he doesn't need a second job in his spare time. Think with your heads people! Sehun might be playful at moments, but this guy does volunteer work in his free time and has amazing work ethic, and he's been a working man for years, he doesn't need someone to monitor him. Can't believe I read this with my very own two eyes. I guess people need some kind of explanation for Suke and Sehun spending all of their free time together, from holidays to charity events, and now it has come to this. 

I hope I'm not posting it twice but it looks like it didn't work the 1st time.

 

So APOLOGIES, I was wondering why noone talked about it when it happened ! 0u0plz.png 

But well, it explained why he acted so obviously differently and why he had such a soft look ! Thanks for clearing it up !

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