Which male idols do you think are gay?

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Seems very romantic type song in a preview!

 

 

 

Are you and I the only ones following them, lol? Eddy supposedly did some vocals too. But really, they have to be dating but are keeping it under wraps since I don't know if Aoora has done his military service (if not he'll have to do it soon since he's already 30) and he's still trying to keep his music career going. We went from a couple's trip to a romantic music video!

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so i've been binge-watching nu'est videos for the past hour and i honestly can't anymore take how fucking perfect jren is 

 

 

there are tons of receipts here already â™¡â™¡â™¡

e.g.

 

 

 

 

 

jr's reaction tho lol

 

 

 

 

but i'd like to add this one (not really a receipt but quite interesting)

 

 

 

the members were playing a lie detector game in this show, and when it came to aron's turn (@ 3:35), he was asked if his heart fluttered after seeing ren dressed up as a girl. he answered yes and claimed that it was sarcastic  (i think every one of them has the hots for ren) when the machine didn't shock him lol. so ren went all cutesy â™¡ and told aron that he'd wear more girly clothes for him

 

 

then, something interesting happened when jr reacted (@ 4:37)  and told ren "your appearance now is way more..." but didn't finish it "ah never mind" after probably realizing what he was about to say 

 

 

 

does this mean jr likes masc ren more

I think JR just likes Ren period, his infatuation with him has stayed pretty consistent no matter how Ren is presenting. The others, particularly Baekho, seemed more into Ren when he was femme. And of all the Ren ships, JRen is the only one that seems mutual and like it could have been a real thing.

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Soooo much to respond to...

ok

This is peak twink/kept-boy-with-his-"companion" (sugar daddy).

 

produce 101 eliminated trainees eunki & kenta were spotted wearing couple shirts

 

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also eunki post on insta before lol

 

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another date they were spotted at:

 

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Poor JungJung. Gayduce 101 has really delivered tho.

 

About Pentagon:
I read that the concept was "Twins" ... the press pics tho. Twins. Sure.

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This one for the lol's https://twitter.com/theseoulstory/status/874141353180930049

More like "twincest"

 

i will drop this, seem like yuta know the role on gay life 

 

And just when I thought the lack of our other gay princes meant less gay this season.   

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My opinion on who are the possibly bi/gays of the top 20 Produce 101's trainees:

Lee Daewhi

Ahn Hyeongseob

Jonghyun (JR)

Choi Minki (Ren)

Joo Haknyeon

 

Discuss.

Definite yeses to the first four. Haknyeon doesn't ping me, he's just a cringy try hard. I'd add Jisung, he reminds of a lot of theater gays I knew in college. Seonho really likes his hyungs.

 

I go back and forth on Dongho (Baekho). I think he had a crush on Ren when he used to dress more feminine, but doesn't seem all over him anymore, but then sometimes acts salty when JRen are having a moment. So who knows.

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OT but why do the SHINee posts always come whenever I'm starting an NCT discussion ? 

 

 

It's not so much the gender-neutral than the opposition between a gender-neutral desire and a feminine expectation that I'm interested in. Why "mom wants a girl and I want someone" ? Why not "mom wants a girl and I want a different type of girl" or "mom wants a someone and I want a different type of someone " ? It doesn't make sense unless it's deliberate. 

 

I knew I wasn't the only one.   Although, rather than muscular, I'd say he fixates on tallness. See how he's rarely doing skinship with Taeil and Haechan (both are/were his roommates so you'd expect a bit more intimacy) or even Yuta, his clear BFF in the group but he's constantly hanging off Johnny or Jaehyun (off-cam. I need to know what's happening between those two). Ffs, he even latched on Mark and Jisung the moment they got half an inch on him, it's ridiculous. 

Also telling considering how height is so strongly associated with manliness in Korea, which plays up in my earlier feminisation theory. 

 

 

Yes, I do realize the level of delulu and reach that reeks from my posts. 

I think they really have something on the down low. There is no other reason for them to blatantly ignore each other on camera, then be cuddling off camera.

 

But yeah, Taeyong is coming up the ranks and is on the verge of knocking Ten off the top of the NCT GAY pyramid.

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This kinda makes me doubt my previous opinion on their friendship.

 

I'm about 70% sure Ten had a major crush on Taeyong predebut (throwback to that "couple" video where the members were shouting for them to kiss and Ten actually looked shyly towards Taeyong to check his reaction). But then Ten got over him and doesnt seem to pay much attention to Taeyong anymore (not exactly in a bitter way, but he just doesnt care much for him like for JohnJaeMark for example, even though they have dancing and being artsy in common), meanwhile Taeyong keeps hyping him up. A lot of their interactions for quite a while have been started by Taeyong and Ten almost seems like he's ignoring him sometimes (like in the last Victory ep where Ten saved a spot for Johnny instead of letting Taeyong sit next to him, and later on when Taeyong told Doyoung to pick Ten for their team but Ten was reluctant to join).

 

Sorry for the word vomit lol I've just been thinking this for a while and I'm curious what other people think about the evolution of their friendship (if you can call it that honestly, they seem more like coworkers with mutual respect for each other at this point).

Yeah if Ten had a crush on Taeyong it was during the Rookie days, and if so, then he is definitely over it now. Their interactions were also really awkward mostly because of Taeyong's slow-to-warm-up personality and he seemed to be sorta uncomfortable around Ten, like he didn't know how to take him? If Taeyong is gay (which I highly suspect he is), I think he has/had trouble accepting it, which would explain some of how closed off he is. Ten is much more self-assured and less guarded which I could see Taeyong being put off by that, not in a really negative way, but just sorta perplexed. Ten probably picked up on this (remember the comment Taeyong made about Ten being the "little sister" of the group and Ten laughed it off but seemed initially peeved) and that probably killed the little infatuation that was there. Now things seem reversed as Taeyong has become less cold and aloof and acts friendlier to Ten. But Ten doesn't seem like the type who would get involved with someone in the group. He's really professional and just has platonic energy with the rest of NCT.

 

I don't know, I can just see why they wouldn't be close; they have polar opposite personalities. I also could be overanalyzing.

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Ew Henry... but also this today (sorry I don't know how to embed gifs on mobile) which was suspicious as hell! Like why did he just sit there awkwardly and not say anything? https://haecha.tumblr.com/post/162638956297/me-too-johnny

The video makes the awkwardness more clear:https://twitter.com/dongmarkchu/status/882559713933631488

  

 

Winwin looked like he knows the T Really though, this group is so awkward in interviews; their so afraid to say soomething not company-approved, they overthink and make otherwise innocuous things seem suspect.

 

But when is someone going to ask Taeyong and Jaehyun what their deal is because that's the real NCT Mystery!

 

The train of thought that I don't get is the people who think that there are absolutely no gay people in kpop, like either there's some people who aren't straight or there's a disproportionate amount of gay non-idols. I'm sure there are groups that have all straight members but by that same coin there's groups that have mostly not straight members. I dunno I've just been seeing the argument that "well not everyone has to be gay!" popping up more and more which while true also means that not everyone has to be straight either.

I also think that the idol industry is one that would have an above average proportion of queer identifying folk, kinda like theater and dance.

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Since the subject has been brought up a few times recently (and I grew curiouser and curiouser), I decided to look into that Jaeyong stuff. I must say I (incidentely) collected quite a lot of content so I was wondering if anyone would be interested in me posting a masterpost of some sort here about them ?

Please do! So many people sleep on those two because the receipts on them are very sporadic and subtle, and if you don't follow NCT closely you don't see it. But when you piece everything together...can't help but to "open your eyes," to the truth 

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Sexual tension I'm waiting for the coming out or boyfriend tag video lol

 

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Eddy is already out and loves to play like they aren't fucking just friends. Like, boy BYE 

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Bit random but I was talking with my friends today about "ship wars" and how people try to prove ships are real when they usually aren't. Which then got me thinking about this thread, and likely m/m relationships, and could only come up with 6 that have the possibility of being real or were real. Can anyone come up with anyone else?

Yunho and Jaejoong

Jonghyun and Key

Sungjong and L

Kyungil and Yijeong

Tao and Sehun

V and J-Hope (I'm aware there are other BTS relationships that are suspect, but I opted to ignore them because it's confusing)

I'd add JRen (Nu'est JR and Ren). Every member tried to sail their Ren ship, but Ren only really reciprocated with JR, and they were really suspicious when they were in Japan. They're toned down now, but also are the only two to share a room in the dorm, sooooo it's up in the air what the status is now.

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Jaehyun and Taeyong (Jaeyong) analysis

 

PART 5 : CHERRY BOMB

 

And now, I'm back to "what the effing f ???" because, since this comeback, they just keep on serving. Hardcore.

 

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Also, sidenote, Jaehyun's note to Taeyong was written in banmal (informal) when it shouldn't since Taeyong is his hyung.

 

 

 

 

So what is their deal ? Honestly ? Good question...

 

 

LMAO, it took me way longer than I expected ! Also, I'm not saying there's really something between them (I'm one of those who think that idols probably don't date that much within their group to avoid messy situations) but, out of all the groups I've seen/followed recently, this is the most suspicious case in my opinion, so might as well keeping my eyes on them.

 

 

THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT! And those messages to each other in context of everything else are really telling too! I hadn't seen that they resumed on camera contact with this comeback, but it's even more confusing.

 

While I agree with you that most gay idols would probably not get involved with someone in their group because of the high probability for drama, some would given the right cirumstances and I could see it with these two. The skinship they do really stands out considering that NCT generally doesn't do that much with each other and really aren't into fanservice. They were probably drawing a lot of attention and focus, and given how image conscious they both are, they probably decided to cool it in front of the cameras to dampen the ship (while simultaneously trying to sail other ships with other members) so people don't read too much into them and see what possibly could be there.

 

Having the receipts laid out like this is really damning, and I feel vindicated like I haven't fallen down the delulu and was just imagining things!

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While i agree with y'all in theory about Jaehyun and Taeyong being suspicious and obviously very close, i can never take their interactions too seriously.

 

Jaehyun is too touchy and fanservicey with literally everything that has a heartbeat and is within 1 mile radius ( I will never understand people saying that NCT doesn't have fanservicey members when Jaehyun and Yuta exist ) and Taeyong is touchy with all members, even with the ones he's obviously not close with.

  

 

I agree. Jaehyun isn't shy towards skinship with his members... but he is with Taeyong ?

It's not their interactions that made me question them, it's the sudden lack of interactions actually.

  

 

^This. It's not the interactions themselves but them acting icy on camera but being warm and all over each other when they think no one is paying attention. There just isn't a rational explanation for why that was happening and it drew more attention an suspicion to their relationship.

 

Ahaha, you're welcome ! 

The part where Taeyong goes "the thoughts of being closed to you turned into poison" really made me go ":._.: ................ whaaaaat ?  ". He talks about it like it's an obsession (also please Taeyong write books or something 'cause this is beautiful).

Also, I agree with you that there are exceptions. I've seen enough to think something happened/s between Yunjae and Jongkey for examples (loooool, what's up with SM ?).

It read to me more like Taeyong was plagued with self-doubt which kept him from getting close to Jaehyun because he felt that he failed to really "understand him," which meant he couldn't "take care of him," leading to a bunch of negative thoughts. Taeyong is very introsective and self-critical, especially when he feels his actions have a negative impact on others (see his breakdown over the scamming scandal on NCT Life Seoul). I wouldn't be surprised if he struggled with anxiety and depression. He does write some deep and poetic lyrics though.

 

Anyway, that message didn't read as strictly platonic especially when you compare it to what he wrote to Johnny, Taeil, and Doyoung (the other members he's closest with). Jaehyun's was a it more restrained, except for the "I treasue you the most" and the "when you're in pain, I'm in pain" parts.

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I agree it was probably just one sided except for Eunki's trip to Japan? I thought I heard he met his family...but I guess it could have just been like hey I'm friends with your son lol. Eunki and his brother went around the time of the concerts so Kenta wasn't there anyways.

Anyways those were some real feelings on Eunki's part at least

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OH GOD, that video took me back to senior year of high school except my songs of choice were Adele's "Best For Last/Chasing Pavements," and vaguebooking instead of video. Don't worry Eunki, something better awaits!

 

Someone mentioned Ten's crush on Taeyong in relation to the Jaeyong discussion. Considering that he's close to Jaehyun, I think that would have killed whatever crush he had (I don't really think he had a serious one anyway). Ten doesn't seem like the type who does drama and is more focused on his career and wouldn't want to create mess in the group. They aren't even compatible and would probably crash and burn so would it be worth it? (For te record, I think Jaeyong would crash and burn too if they're real).

 

I'd honestly would avoid getting involved with other idols especially in my own group because the probability of it turning into the Hot Mess Express is so high.

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Seonho on a recent interview said this:

“I tend to be blunt to friends or dongsengs, but my aegyos naturally increase to older people. To be honest, Minhyun hyung didn’t seem to like my skinships much. But I recently found videos of him clinging to Minki hyung on Youtube. Some people made those videos just for a joke to show how he does that to other people even though he doesn’t do that to me. So I showed it to Minhyun hyung, and he made an excuse that it was because he was young back then. (laughs)â€

 

Now upon reading this might not be much to the fool straight eye, but to the gays and bi's it says a lot

 

 

the interesting part is the fact that he searches minhyun videos in youtube and most importantly videos where he is showing aegyo or affection to other boys

 

That boy is obsessed with Minhyun. Someone tallied how many times he talked about "Minhyun hyung" in one of his vlives and it was like over 18 times, in just ONE video. Like how can anyone not see that he is not straight like...

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I just have to stop by here and say that I'm losing it at how it's so god damn obvious that Seonho is hardcore crushing on Minhyun. And this is not coming from a shipping point of view, as I don't ship them at all (Seonho literally just turned 15, while Minhyun is almost 22. I do not ship a minor with an adult, ew).

 

I'm almost getting second hand embarrassment from this? On one hand it's kinda cute, but on the other ... Seonho... plz.. I can't believe he literally mentioned him 18 times in one vid?

 

But gosh, it's so clear that he really adores Minhyun a lot.  

 

Yeah, that's probably why Minhyun is gently trying to shut him down (besides it generally being awkward when you're on the receiving end of a one-sided crush). 

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Just saw this on twitter

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-XIqshci5EiMkVb9gbDfVduRaiQlvgtLl-uPA4Sje7Q/edit

and it's a bit intense and shipper-y (sometimes they're literally just walking next to each other ) but some fans compiled a list of early Taeyong x Jaehyun interactions...

 

I hadn't seen half of this pre-debut stuff before. Wow, they really were so clingy together in the early days. How did I ever used to think Taeyong didn't ping either?! He's off the charts!

And y'all thought I was being hasty saying Taeyong was coming for the top of the NCT Gay Pyramid

 

But the existence of that Google Doc bolsters my theory that they (probably mostly Jaehyun) got camera shy and cut off their interections with each other while also stepping up their skinship and fan service with other members to shift attention and scrutiny away from themselves. Now that they've gained the reputation ofjust being "touchy with everyone," they're back to being friendly on camera.

 

Now if there are other compilations of three years of clingy suspect interactions between them and other members, I would not be opposed to seeing them and re-evaluating my stance on Jaeyong if it means more gay

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I'm seeing a lot of stuff for the first time as well, this is interesting. 

 

Since Prince Ten was mentioned, something a bit OT.

 

 

Thai fans of his that follow him since 2011 when he won that talent show in Thailand have said that he used to dislike the whole bromance / shipping stuff back then. Not sure how accurate this is, though.

If it's true, it must be a huge ironic turn of events that he ended up being shipped with literally almost every male he interacts with. 

 

I wonder if this is the reason he used to blatantly ignore Taeyong last year (when he was heavily shipped with him before & during NCT U era) and recently Jaehyun (Thai stans went strong on this ship and there are even a few dedicated fansites for the 2 of them) who he seems to have iced completely and ignore on every schedule they recently had together as well.

 

 

WHAT?! How did this escape my attention! Ten ignoring Jaehyun must be a recent development since they were dry humping on NCT Life Chiang Mai and that was filmed in February. He and Taeyong never seemed all that close to begin with so no real surprise there.

 

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I don't think the document was born out of a desire to prove their "potential romantic relationship", which is why you find pictures of them just walking together in it. It doesn't seem to be any different from a "X group - X ship" moments video IMO that isn't to say some pictures aren't interesting

I don't think it was either but it is an example of how much some people care about their every interaction together to compile and archive them in a format that can be widely shared and added to with anyone on the Internet. And people will take things out of context and draw conclusions regardless of the intentions of the subjects (like what we do on this thread). So my point was that Jaeyong were clearly uncomfortable with being in that situation and since they can't control the actions of other random people, they just stopped interacting whenever a camera was or could possibly be around, to cut off the supply of content. I just speculated further what ideas they would not want people to draw about them based on how some of their moments can come off.    

 

Sorry if I sound delusional and extra AF  . I'm a casual shipper and would never go as far as to insist two people have feelings for each other without concrete evidence. This is just assumptions and me reading wayyyy too far into things. It's a bit of fun and makes me happy. 

 

I'm analysing his lyrics because these lyrics are something Taeyong has written himself (I believe), about himself, and is comfortable enough releasing to fans.  To me, what's important is that we can ship them without invading their privacy and making them uncomfortable. 

I think it's a reach to say any of those lyrics are about Jaehyun, but they are interesting for the bolded reason. They really go against the image he/SM was trying to push before.

 

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I watched once a interview and he said that whiplash was about how his sister 'tamed' him and raised him. I don't remember clearly. But your analysis makes me think otherwise

 

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I'm sorry, but those lyrics, and the song overall, are too blatantly sexual to be about his sister. That was some major spin

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poor child doesn't realize that the main reason he can't date Minhyun is that he's only 16 lmao

Yes, someone needs to break it down to him that "Minhyunie hyung" ain't tryna catch a case (and he's just not into him).

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The weekend I'm away with no internet access and this thread comes to life with a lot of good discussion.

 

At first I think Taeyong doesn't have any interest in any sexual matter, but I guess I was wrong. Lyrics he wrote proved so much things about him. The way he expresses himself is mainly affected by his personality, also his mannerism and behaviors. He's very introvert and loner. So I don't think we can judge his interests solely by the way he expresses himself.

Yeah, just because he isn't openly thirsting over anyone doesn't mean he's totally disinterested in sex, or isn't acting on a sexual attaction either. Likewise, being really physical and engaging in suggestive/flirty banter doesn't always mean youare attracted to the person it is directed to (which I feel about a lot of the interactions Jaehyun has, like him and Ten in Chiang Mai had no sexual tension even though they were rolling around in a bed together).

 

Taeyong's general desire for love and affection was brought up and I agree that he does cherish and value friendship because it's clear he didn't have many friends growing up. But the way he talks about that desire at times reminds me of when I was younger and didn't quite know how to process and articulate my romantic interest in other guys because I didn't really get what it meant to be sexually attracted to someone. I was always more interested in paid attention to other guys growing up and wanted to have these really close and intimate "friendships," with guys I liked. Taeyong's paper roll message to Jaehyun really reminded me of that thought process because he seemed really upset that he somehow couldn't "understand" him enough to be "close" to him and it was all a little too intense and complicated to describe a friendship.

 

His lyrics also focus a lot on him being like an outsider and different from the norm, and he's been articulating it in more nuanced/less vague ways. I think he's still figuring himself out and growing into himself, so he's a interesting one to watch.

 

Honestly I don't think there is anything going on between these two aside them being best friends, winwin feels obviously more comfortable with his same age friend jaehyun who in return takes care of him and help him out because winwin is still awkward with the cameras and with being a celebrity in general! the boy always seems very nervous and lost and I don't think that's due to the language barrier alone..

 

As for the videos we don't know the context so it's hard to tell what's going on exactly..

 

Jaehyun actually always refers to Winwin as a baby and I don't think we have enough material to discuss his sexuality for now..

 

 

How about Johnny? he is always associated with the most "suspicious" idols in SM, being friend with EXO's Sehun and Suho , and in NCT he is close to Ten and Taeyong..If he was gay,why would the managers put him in a room with Jaehyun? aren't the managers aware of the members sexuality?

 

Personally I don't think Johnny is gay (sorry Johnten shippers lol) , but I think because he is born in the USA, he is accepting and familiar with homosexuality, and that's why he can understand and maybe help out the members figure out their sexuality .. NCT members actually always describe him as the most caring and affectionate hyung ( ok for Jaehyun it's Taeil who takes that role, but it's probably because Johnny must tease him very often about his sexuality and I don't think Jaehyun is ready to come out yet) 

 

Lol sorry if all of that sounds like a fanfiction, but I really want to know your opinions ..

I definitely think Jaehyun is gay, but he plays around a lot so it's hard to tell what's genuine attraction or not on his end. He does enjoy flustering and getting attention from other men though.

 

I don't think SM cares what their idols do as long as it doesn't affect their bottom line, and even then, they have enough influence and saavy to make those issues go away. So I don't see why they wouldn't let certain people not room with each other regardless of their sexualities. I don't think Johnny is gay either, he just doesn't care what people think and has an open mind about different things.

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Loving this chat *_* been lurking for a looooong while, so I've got some pent up things to say about the thread in general LOL. Do note that these are merely my opinions, up to debate, not to force onto others.

 

To start of with, I feel that some actually many pieces of 'evidence' are too far-fetched (e.g. jimin x taemin or jimin x chanyeol giggling thing, sure, it's cute but...). Will elaborate a bit more below. I also highly doubt that so many idols in the same group could be gay (many comments had most groups listed as 90%++ gay/bi but leaning towards men...). I feel like it's more likely that they're more straight than yall think, but more gay than heteronormatives think.

 

Like, I'm a straight girl. But more like 70% straight (I've only seriously liked guys... but tbh haven't had many serious experiences either) 20% pansexual (the idea that compatibility > gender + openness) 5% asexual (I hate people.) 5% homosexual (for one, I'm more sexually attracted to the female body than the male body most 99.9% of the time). I wouldn't say I'm bisexual as I clearly still have a much, much stronger preference for men (14x) but I could visualize myself falling hard for a woman. I'd think that probably applies to most people in general (obviously with different percentages). So like, all these people in mind might be largely gay or largely straight but still fall for a guy or simply bi. Statistically, a mix with the largely straight option being the majority, followed by gay and then bisexual is most likely. Don't tell me that statistics are irrelevant: these men were randomly (in terms of sexuality) picked from the large pool of Korea, so statistics about sexuality apply. Kpop idols talked about = sample, Korea = population.

 

Another note is that more often than not, when you're still in the closet (or even if out of the closet) in an environment that is highly conservative/allowing of homophobia/not familiar with the idea of gays (aka Korea, whereas in other places e.g. the US where homophobia is a larger issue, gay rights is a larger issue etc it might not be as pressurizing), you'd initially shy away from touching rather than touch even more bc you're scared of what they may take your actions to be until it gets to a point where you're close enough to know that whatever you do is comfortable and accepted by the other party. At least that's how it was for most of my LGBT friends in a very conservative Asian environment (which is still less conservative/more aware than the likes of Korea... so...). In that sense I feel like those who initially shy away from touching but adapt to it over time are more likely to be self-aware gays (there's also the possibility of strong homophobia or that they're simply not used to it) rather than those who go BAM SKINSHIP BOOM BOOM right from the start because straight people often don't think nuts about skinship. This is with respect to the environment in which there is homophobia/a strong lack of awareness and also to each his own.

 

Lastly I feel that much of the things Kpop idols do between genders might just be part of their culture (not the Korean culture but the Kpop idol culture haha). One thing is opposite-gender interactions often = scandals in Korea thus any interactions with girls are extremely limited, which might cause them to seem gay (bc they don't interact with/don't show interest in girls at all) or be touchier with guys to make up for it. Thus I strongly disagree with "___ hasn't shown any interest in girls thus he's likely gay". Secondly they're expected to do fanservicey stuff, and after a while it could become a habit? I honestly don't view at least 50% of the evidence shown as evidence bc there's a total lack of sexual attraction/tension in many of them + camera + ships. And at least 25% (part of that 50%) are too weak to be considered anything- can't even imply a good friendship (far-fetched).

 

Do note that I strongly believe a good portion of them are gay, maybe like 20%, and bi, maybe 5-10%, but I highly doubt the Kpop industry is as gay as often thought in this thread. I often see many unrealistic comments and I'm just like.. whut. I also strongly believe that rather than simply gay, most have a degree of variance (the % thingy) in their sexuality. Thus, it would be nice to see more realistic evidences, explanations and statistics (like 2-3/5-7 members being gay rather than 5-7/5-7 members being gay). If all 5-7 members 'ping' you. rank them according to evidence, explain why and label the top few as gay, 1 as bi, so on so forth. I get that a gaydar might be your sole explanation, but I tend to believe gaydars only if you know them personally: people on TV are mostly different on TV and irl (not fake, just exaggerated) which tends to screw gaydars (ANY radars) up imo.

 

But yes, a girl/guy/confused/trans/thelistcontinues/whoeveryouare can dream.

 

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Anyway I actually wanted (before I got carried away with my essay lol) to comment about Baekhyun's "Sehun isn't interested in girls" though, imo the term "interested" doesn't have the implication of romance, it sounds more like how most people aren't interested in e.g. rolling around in poop. Also Baekhyun said it in a super offhand manner, super dismissive such that I feel that there was likely no underlying meaning to it: I mean, if he had implied something, I doubt it'd be so... flippant. Idk. I don't think yall should use that as hard evidence/or at least use it to the extent it's spreading around now bahaha.

 

Otherwise Sehun seems is pretty gay. :P

 

On BTS: I know someone who personally knows Suga as they were ex-classmates, he said Suga, in his opinion, is quite straight. Then to give benefit of doubt, he said that Suga might have changed bc it's been years... or maybe he's just too chill about anything including gender. LOL.

 

You brought up a lot of good points but I just wanted to kinda counter some things.

 

One, the sample of people that get discussed a lot here aren't a good representative sample of the overall Korean population and aren't even representative of the total idol population. For one, the sample of all idols is non-random. Most idols enter their companies through auditioning, so there's self-selection bias (and as you noted, idol culture is different from general Korean culture). And even those who are street casted, aren't picked totally at random, the biases and criteria of the casting director are influencing who they are picking out of the crowd. Then note that not everyone who manages to become a trainee in a company goes on to debut, a decision that is again made by the companies. So already not representative, let alone there are a bunch of male idols who aren't even talked about or analyzed in this thread. So while many would agree that it isn't that likely to have a bunch of groups have like 80+% of their members be gay, we also can't apply general trends to an already skewed sample and tell people they're being unrealistic from a statistical standpoint. Sorry to be so pedantic on that point.

 

I also don't get why people think gay idols would never even look at someone of the same sex, lest they out themselves, when KPop fans have the gift of rationalizing and explaining away some of the most overtly gay behavior. So why take on the added stress of scrutinizing your every move and interaction with the same sex when no one will believe or jump to the conclusion that you're gay any way? I think idols are pretty adept and saavy enough to know how to exploit that to their advantage.

 

edit: Hate when I make typos while dropping knowledge. I have a bachelor's degree I swear!

Edited July 24, 2017 by Shaandenigma

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Does anyone follow A.C.E. aka "the Princes of Thighland"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjoorb2o9Nk

Any thoughts? Wow and Jason are kinda questionable together and Donghun sorta pings at first glance.

 

Whoever styles them needs a raise because they know what they're doing with those hot pants.

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Omg I thought it was only me! Yes indeed their thighs are so sexy oml

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I only watch the lives where they are wearing the hot pants, sorry not sorry Came for the thighs, stayed for the talent.

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Yeah I was kinda iffy about the sample size thing, however while there is picking, it's not subjective to their sexuality, which is what I meant. So it's still highly unlikely for a group to have any more than 50% of the group being gay when about 10% (according to Kinsey? but it's probably around there: about 2-3% people in most of the conservative countries are self-aware and proud, with a sizable percentage in denial/hiding) of Korea is homosexual. Not to mention that the possibility of having more than a certain number (depending on group size) of gay people in the same group is... low, simply put. Which is why I felt that 20-30% of a group being gay/bi is probably a much better estimate than... well, anything 50+%, really. 

 

Not sure how your second paragraph relates, I don't think I implied that gay idols wouldn't look at another idol of the same sex. Unless you're referring to the following paragraph. I was just suggesting that it's not that likely that idols who full blown skinship right from the very start are gay, simply bc imo gay idols would still be careful about how friends view them and how the public views them at first. Then once they understand that it's socially accepted, encouraged even!, the floodgates of skinship open. And by skinship I don't mean casual things like linking arms, leaning on each other etc but like kissing (mock or not, cheek or not), biting on the bum, holding hands the intertwined way, or some extent of sexual tension (staged or not).

Spoilering my response to your first point because this is getting OT:

 

 

The point I was making though is that the sample we're working with is not representative of the population so you can't apply population trends (or random percentages) to the sample and expect it to line up or enforce some rules on what's realistic or not.

 

The Kinsey reports were also conducted in the U.S. in 1948 (1953 for women), when homosexuality was still considered a mental illness in the DSM, schools showed those effed up "beware of homosexuals" films in health class, and people did not talk about their sex lives. The 10% figure wasn't about the general population but that "10% of white males were exclusively homosexual for three years between the ages of 16-55." And that was based on only 300 self-report interviews. So that statistic is crap and more recent studies see that percentage fluctuate based on a lot of different variables. The only valuable thing that came from the study was the scale which influenced the way we view sexuality and even then there are like 200 different scales that take into account a lot more variables.

 

Sorry, it's a pet-peeve of mine when people throw the Kinsey scale around like it is some scientific law and do faulty statistical reasoning on top of it.

 

 

My second paragraph wasn't directly at you but more towards the idea that has been expressed a lot on this thread that if someone were really gay, they would be hiding in fear of being outed and would avoid saying or doing anything that could be interpreted as gay.

 

I only find the jump to excessive skinship suspect with Western-born idols (particularly Americans) because you can barely hug your other guy friends without someone shouting "GAY," but that also depends on how long they were trainees before hand or what their personalities were like before. We don't always see the very beginning of their assimilation process so it is hard to know.

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Who is teahyun

He's a member of Hotshot and was on Produce 101 this last season.