Which male idols do you think are gay?

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On 3/29/2022 at 5:42 PM, Thatoneuser said:

If none of you believe that Eunwoo is gay listen to his voice in this video.

 

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I don’t think Eunwoo sounds stereotypically gay here? Just Asian/Korean. 

I don’t think this is gay lisp but it sounds “fruity”. 

Anyway, here’s a Wiki article 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_male_speech

And a quick search brought up this reddit page 

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As a Taeyong fan, he has it bad. 
Eye rolls, tongue clicks, lip pursing, male fry (known for it), lisp, moments of girl voice (caendeee). 

Maybe it supports Taeyong having quite a feminine side to him and being a big fan of women. I think “gay voice” is more in line with “femininity” than sexuality OR people learning English sounding higher, enunciating more and influenced by their primary language accent OR natural anatomy (e.g “girl voice”). There’s gay men who fit the stereotype, others who don’t (TJ Osbourne?), straight men who do (Shawn Mendes).

I watched the Holland clip and noticed lisping. As @geographic mentioned, a Korean accent can be mistaken for lisping. I don’t notice a lisp on Eunwoo though. He could be gay, I just don’t think he has a “gay voice”. 

Edit: Completely irrelevant but here’s strawberry shortcake Taeyong 

 

Edited April 3, 2022 by mEeEeE

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On 3/30/2022 at 1:47 PM, dododododododo said:

When you claw your way back up from 5000 negs with your bare hands you can say whatever you want 

And now they’ve gotten rid of the points altogether. People these days don’t know how easy they have it 

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I’m going to talk about Yoongi supposedly talking about his ideal type of man and it being used as a receipt. 

He was asked “Based on your standard, what kind of face do you find handsome?” He was specifically asked about men by the interviewers. 

It’s finally clicked for me 

A big cultural difference between Korea/East Asia? and other cultures is they’ve been able to separate openly liking/appreciating aesthetics from implication of sexuality. 

I mean, look at this video of BTS reacting to a nice-looking male body 

Viewing this from my culture their reactions are gay gay homosexual gay all of them, the thumbs up?? asdfghjkl. 

Yoongi is describing his standard of an aesthetically-pleasing man. Masculine, macho-type with a beard. 
“Because I’m not tall, don’t have a beard either”. He could be talking about what he lacks, or wish he looked like, or simply his opinion of a handsome man…rather than what he’s sexually into. Because I highly doubt the interviewers were talking about his sexual tastes. The thing is, queer idols could be lowkey talking about their sexual tastes so there’s ambiguity in interpretation.

Another example is Ryujin who apparently got scouted because a company staff member asked for her number and Ryujin gave it to her because she was cute. People use this to prove Ryujin is wlw.

When actually idols call other same-sex idols and people cute all the time without meaning they want to be intimate with that person. There isn’t a sexual connotation to it like there is in the West. 

Korea/Kpop maybe shows everyones’ a little bisexual in that we can be affected by looking at hot or cute members of the same-sex without necessarily wanting to get in their pants? And Koreans/idols are open and unashamed in their reactions? 

Or maybe korean guys are more gay than western men who actually aren’t hiding their feelings I don’t know!!

I think there’s more leeway in the West for straight women to simp for other womens’ looks…straight guys can do it too but in a more “macho” way and not whatever BTS and Taeil were doing in those videos…I don’t even think Western women react to other women like that…these boys are reacting like they’re seeing a luxury sports car asdfghjkl the innocent objectification and simping with no shame, that BTS clip is so embarrassing to watch lol
 

Tldr; Yoongi “ideal man” receipt may be exaggerated given he was specifically asked what type of male face he finds most handsome and the Korean culture of openly appreciating/talking about the aesthetics of same-sex people, along with no stigma/weirdness(?) around men doing it. It doesn’t prove he’s gay, only if he is, then it’s his ideal type. 

Edited April 2, 2022 by mEeEeE

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On 4/1/2022 at 1:05 AM, Josaline said:

^ Korean men really like to admire the bodies of more built and muscular men. BTS members react in the same way not only to others, but also to JK and RM, who are the most muscular in the group, expressing admiration for their bodies and constantly touching their muscles. Indeed, I think culture has an effect on these reactions.

Constantly touching their muscles lol so true. 

Even talking about butts, comparing butts, touching butts, it can be sus and funny from an international point of view. Are all men (and women) a little bisexual, is it platonic, or a little more who knows? 

Edited April 2, 2022 by mEeEeE

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I can’t believe this is real. They all caught Jaehyun (including Jaehyun himself) staring at Xiaojun’s chest and laughed together as bros, SM not worrying about fans and the public seeing it? Is this just another case of Korean men admiring built and muscular men? It can’t be so since Jaehyun himself is quite built and has pecs. I think this could be gay for real! 

Stayed tuned for more episodes of, “Is it gay or just Korean culture?” 

Edited April 2, 2022 by mEeEeE

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On 3/31/2022 at 5:55 PM, mEeEeE said:

And now they’ve gotten rid of the points altogether. People these days don’t know how easy they have it 

 

On 4/1/2022 at 6:49 AM, dododododododo said:

The points system is alive and well on my personal dry erase board 

So I accessed the website through my laptop and everyones’ points are still next their names. Also if you go into someones’ profile, even on a phone, you can see their points. My bad. 

Remember to be on your best behaviour boys, girls and theys! 

Edited April 3, 2022 by mEeEeE

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I remember seeing this Knowing Bros clip where he and another male idol have to come close together and Heechul’s like “Didn’t you hear I’m attracted to men?” to scare the other guy (??) and everyone laughs. Idk but would a truly gay person say something like that?
 

Baekhyun-Taeyeon. I wasn’t a Kpop fan at that time but this is one viewpoint I’ve read…Taeyeon got so much hate from Baekhyun’s fans. Why would SM/herself put her under the bus like that to “prove she is straight”?

Edited April 6, 2022 by mEeEeE

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On 4/4/2022 at 2:50 PM, bb8__ said:

Lmfao i knew the min. that lil skit happened that someone was going to bring it up, but i was expecting it from mEeEeE.

Oh come on now

Edit: Oh come on now (sarcastically)

Edited April 6, 2022 by mEeEeE

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17 minutes ago, lgbtxt said:

yeppp here's the vid  i wanna agree that it's sus bcs that is a bold as hell strategy if Heechul were really gay, but Daehwi's right there saying the same thing so idk actually how to take that comment ....

 

It was with Daewhi??

What a clip idek so much going on, like why did Heechul say that to Daewhi of all people 

What a comeback from Daewhi though, first time I’ve seen him “embracing”/making light of his gay rumours 

Edited April 6, 2022 by mEeEeE

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Didn’t Leeteuk hit on a 13-year old Yoona when he was 20?

I think there’s an incident with underage Krystal too. 

 

Also here are female idols literally talking about how rookie female idols need to be cautious of male seniors…to Leeteuk 

Wasn’t Leeteuk recently a host of that “My teenage girl” survivor show??  

Also Heechul, I mean if you connect the dots…

His mother talking about him being obsessed with foreign women (fetishisation?). 

His mother complaining about him “only liking new things” (age? can’t stay with same woman for long? Foreigners?) 

Momo ticks both boxes…quite younger and foreign.

Edited April 7, 2022 by mEeEeE

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1 hour ago, OptimusPremier said:

wrong thread

I’m just replying to that user complaining about people wrongly portraying Suju as problematic. 

I’m not saying all Suju members are problematic

I won’t post more about it. 

Edited April 7, 2022 by mEeEeE

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On 4/7/2022 at 4:10 AM, babyv004 said:

so this is valid for heechul as recipted that a gay men never would joke about it but not to Daewhi?????

On 4/7/2022 at 9:21 AM, lgbtxt said:

 if "everyone" antis your faves, it might be your faves that are the problem. but anyway, 

i'm confused by it as well. forget Heechul can we talk about Daehwi? bcs, tbh i haven't kept up with him super closely since Wanna One, but from what i've seen he tends to downplay his flamboyance and he's explicitly denied his gay rumors multiple times. ... i know this is controversial and brave, but what if Daehwi really is str8?  lmao. fr tho if anyone has recent receipts of him being fruity i'd love to see it cuz as far as i'm concerned his little gay spirit was squashed on Produce 101 < / 3 

I still feel like Daewhi wouldn’t have initiated with a comment like that, he was rebutting Heechul who brought it up…so there might be a slight difference when associating their actions with them preferring men or not. 

I still believe deep down Daehwi is into guys…I can’t help but think about him saying that “it’s his duty to get married and continue the family line” in response to his gay rumours. Also anyone correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t a number of self-aware queer men kind of “self-regulate” their “fruitiness”? Something called “code-switching”?

Heechul…he may not feel completely icky about kissing guys and is not ashamed/have toxic masculinity? about liking to look at guys that look aesthetic in his opinion (e.g that men with big shoulders thing)…but it really seems his female preference is big enough that he may not feel like identifying/is enough to identify as part of the lgbt community? 

What I don’t understand is him saying he didn’t deny being gay because he didn’t want to offend gay fans/the lgbt community? How is being straight going to offend gay fans if that is what he actually is? Being straight and an ally is a thing. Maybe lgbt fans (like any fans of a demographic) have an unconscious bias towards other lgbt/possible lgbt celebs? Was it more about him wanting to appear sexually ambiguous and attract the most fans? He didn’t want to disappoint his gay fans?

Edited April 8, 2022 by mEeEeE
Most of my sentences are questions…like my life

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Taeyong is so unique 

 

 

Warms my heart that he was able to break-out of the “manly guy” image SM kind of placed on him at the start and is able to openly/freely show this side of him…100k likes! 

 

It’s possibly giving he/they, femboy-ness(?)

I don’t understand the clowns?? Like being interested in men…he/they is still queer and goes against gender norms/expectations, along with femboy-ness, this level of subby(?) I don’t know how to describe it…

Edit: plus we don’t have a femboyism or gender non-conforming thread and he’s different, even for a male kpop idol. (On today’s episode of is it queer or just Korean culture?…) 

I’m in no way saying because he’s fem/gnc, it means he’s homosexual (though I think he’s bi for other reasons, completely different story), are people here not welcoming of gnc, thought this was a safe-space?
Edit: I’ve found a word that describes Taeyong…Tomgirl!  

Edited April 18, 2022 by mEeEeE

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1 hour ago, lgbtxt said:

personally i'll admit i clowned the post because they/them pronouns + femboyism doesn't = gay at all

Some people use “gay” in a broad sense like queer…not only to refer to sexual orientation.

Edit: And I only used it once when I wrote “he/they is still gay/queer” which I’ve since changed to just queer. 

Edited April 10, 2022 by mEeEeE

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25 minutes ago, M814 said:

Which is silly because gnc, nb people don't have the same lived experience as gay people. Both are valid and both are also completely different. You can argue there is some overlap, but I think that overlap is smaller than you imagine. Sexual orientation and sexual identity are separate things and should be adressed as such.

I hate to be the boomer word police, but imo "gay" should be used just to refer to sexual orientation - otherwise it will start to lose it's meaning.

Queer already exists, why change the definition of another word to mean queer as well?

In my original post I said gay once when I said “he/they is still gay/queer”, then changed it to just queer…imma just call him queer.  

Sorry for the poor use of the word “gay”, I’m learning. Still the level of clowns my post has?? Lgbt people can be harsh…my post was meant to be a positive thing. 

Edited April 10, 2022 by mEeEeE

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12 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

Don’t take the clowns seriously, it is a gut reaction. Take the advises from those who replied to your message and I agree with them. Gender non conformist people don't always mean gay. I am happy that you are learning to broaden your views.

I never speculated anything about his sexual orientation in the original post though, but his gender identity/peculiar expression? I know they are different things. 

Edited April 11, 2022 by mEeEeE

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I know I’m going to be disagreed with, but that Changbin “Sorry that I love you” song by-itself may not be as big of a “Changbin must be gay” receipt as people are making it, as in hetero people can fall in love with a friend who doesn’t reciprocate their feelings…it’s a gender non-specific song a wide audience can connect to. 

Changbin has said this about the song… ye

“You like this friend of yours, but once you tell them about it, you are scared that you may not be friends anymore. It’s something everyone can relate to and I think that it’s something that everyone has experienced at least once. Ultimately, I think it’s about how one isn’t able to confess their feelings, unable to express their feelings – that’s what the song tries to describe. The lyrics describe something youthful yet something sad.”

My opinion of him is neutral, could be straight or queer.

If he has other gay receipts then I would view the song more in a different light. 

Edited April 10, 2022 by mEeEeE

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On 4/16/2022 at 5:00 PM, cold soba said:

imma be real as a longtime minho stannie – it's mostly the vibe he gives off. there's nothing really to explain, but i gotta say most of the 'tangible' minho suspicions come from minsung moments. they joke about being boyfriends and dispatch exposing them and they're always very affectionate, so i can definitely see why people get confused over them. i personally don't think they're a couple but they definitely do romantic stuff – especially minho. for instance, they were done with practice so minho took jisung on a surprise date to namsan tower. i think they were also talking about this date (or maybe another one?) where they wanted to take a photo next to a big heart but the only people in line were str8 couples so the two of them felt awkward. in general they're just. so sweet. i won't do them justice by just listing off moments, so despite their unreliability, shipping compilations contain loads of moments in one place which is better than me trying to describe things and flopping miserably.

also can we just debunk part of the 'jisung heterosexual' myth? the only proof that comes up when talking about his heterosexuality is his verse in 3racha's wow, which he wrote when he was 16. i don't think what someone does at 16 is reflective of them when they're 21/22. beyond that, i don't know what other str8 moments jisung has tbh

I saw this video on Twitter where a female fan was on a fancall with Jisung and talking sexually to him and apparently (Edit: could be a rumour because you can’t see the caller) she was in lingerie?!? 

Jisung was like “I’m/my face is getting hot” or something…it was awkward. 

It’s sexual harassment I don’t know how the call didn’t get cut. 

It’s probably hard to find the video now…rightly so, I wouldn’t want it out if I was Jisung. 

Anyway, the way he reacted…I would say it suggests he’s into women 

Edit: 

I think this is the video. I’ll leave it for a couple of days then delete. 
 

Spoiler

 

 

Alright, now watching it again I wouldn’t say it’s plain obvious he’s into women, but would a gay idol react like this (as a genuine reaction, not to just be nice or show they have a personality). Not a rhetorical question, I’m genuinely not sure. 

Edited April 19, 2022 by mEeEeE

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On 4/17/2022 at 12:46 PM, Dont mind me said:

Meee i don't know Jisung nor is it necessary for me to know to make this point. Being caught of guard by fans dressed in some lingerie doesn't equal to being straight or gay. It just means that fan didn't have any manners. 

I’m not sure if the lingerie thing is true because you can’t see the caller, but I remember her calling him “Baby” and saying “Your voice is sexy”. 

Ten/Jo Kwon/Key would’ve been like “that’s nice” *polite smile* *cricket noises*

Here’s the video.I’ll leave it for a couple of days then delete it 

Spoiler

 

 

Alright, now watching it again I wouldn’t say it’s plain obvious he’s into women, but would a gay idol react like this (as a genuine reaction, not to just be nice or show they have a personality). Not a rhetorical question, I’m genuinely not sure. 

Edited April 19, 2022 by mEeEeE

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8 hours ago, Until now said:

Fancalls are unnatural situations. Idols are at work, under close supervision and being recorded, and are expected to be friendly to random strangers who could say or do anything. This girl is rude and doesn't care or understand what appropriate conversation is with someone you don't know. Jisung is doing his job like the pro he is and nothing more. For some reason, idols get assessed like they're a walking id, showing sexual arousal every time they interact with someone of a gender they're attracted to. They're mostly just getting through the day. This tells you nothing about Jisung's sexuality. 

 

7 hours ago, cold soba said:

ok let me clarify this, because it happened when i was very much into stay twt. the fancaller was one of the most ‘notorious’ nsfw stay accounts, in the sense that they would be more extreme in their fanfic writing. their acc happened to be public and they would sometimes post pictures of themselves in lingerie. they never turned up on the fancall in lingerie, but fans just added that to exaggerate the drama. still, the fan was quite flirtatious in the call so i get why hanji is awkward. i don’t think it’s an indicator of any sexuality. wouldn’t anyone feel awkward at being called baby by someone you don’t even know?

It’s not that he felt “awkward”, it’s him getting shy, his face getting hot, avoiding eye contact…he got flustered.

“Wow! This is the first time that my voice is sexy…this feels like wow shy my face is getting warm whoa!”  

Do people not know how to read body language? Every single thing idols do in fancalls isn’t fake. Idols are human

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I don’t want people interpreting this as me saying Jisung appreciates what the girl did…she over-stepped the line.

Edit: I meant shy/flustered in an uncomfortable way. He was clearly uncomfortable and I guarantee he’d rather that encounter not happen. The reason I put the funny Mark clip is just to show not all idol fancall reactions are fake/performative. 

Edited April 17, 2022 by mEeEeE

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5 hours ago, themistoo said:

or maybe you don't know how to read body language. there is a difference between feeling shy and feeling awkward because you don1t know how to react. jisung was clearly the second category here, he seemed so obviously uncomfortable.

sure there are times idols stumble upon an attractive fan and they seem shy, but this wasn't it. it felt icky and cringe just to watch... her voice too tbh, she sounded as if she stepped out of some kind of jisungxreader bdsm wattpad fanfiction. that was embarrassing. 

I meant meant shy/awkward in an uncomfortable way, he was clearly uncomfortable. But it didn’t seem uncomfortable in a “gay way” I don’t know how to describe it. 
Anyway, I’m going to stop here. 

Edited April 17, 2022 by mEeEeE

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https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/nuest-ren-lonely-dating-confession/

An article from 2019

“NU’EST‘s Ren drew overwhelming attention by confessing on JTBC’s Hogu Chart that he always feels lonely.”

“When fellow cast members expressed their surprise and asked why that was, Ren answered that he doesn’t know, but that he’s very lonely, and that he feels especially lonely before he goes to sleep.”

“Ren then received a question regarding his dating life to which he revealed that he hasn’t dated in a really long time.”

“In response, Jung Hyuk advised that his loneliness is probably because he’s not dating and that he should pursue it.”

”What followed was Ren going on to reveal his ideal type.”

”Rather than outer appearances, I want our personalities to be compatible. But if I had to specify a physical trait, I tend to like skinny girls.”

– Ren

I’m on the Ren-queer-train but I don’t follow him so I can’t recall any “attraction to men” receipts. Anyway if he is gay and said “skinny girls” to cover his ass, it’s still irresponsible/problematic of him. He could’ve said a lot of other things besides that  

Edited April 17, 2022 by mEeEeE

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Has anyone considered Mr-Born-This-Way-tattoo could be non-binary? (I didn’t say non-binary initially because the word didn’t come to my mind, I didn’t do it on purpose). 

Also what are some of his “he is GAY, he is into men” receipts? 

Edit: Cause aren’t there also straight drag queens? Or is it that people who get a “born this way” tattoo are 99% of the time not straight (are bi, pan, gay), so Ren’s born-this-way tattoo is a big receipt? Do non-binary straight people get “born this way” tattoos? 

Or does he ping the gaydar from the way he talks/express/vibe like my doctor, Ten, or Mateo from Superstore (unlike Taeyong, who can kind of pass as straight gnc?). I’m not familiar with Ren, so I’m going to watch some of his videos.

“Gay” should only be used for sexual orientation right? Edit: this isn’t a genuine question, I’m not playing dumb naive, memory-poor or trolling. I said this because born-this-way-drag-queen-extraordinaire doesn’t directly correlate with sexual orientation/being gay unlike i-like-men Sehun or that idol who was like “My ideal type is a boy like me”. Could Ren be non-binary and/or gnc? 

Edited April 18, 2022 by mEeEeE

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4 hours ago, themistoo said:

uh.... to be honest i don't really know what should be the right reaction to this. i mean sure i guess that would be possible but then again, queer people are in general more open to playing with gender roles, cis or not. this is why some lesbians tend to be very masculine and gay men feminine. of course this is a stereotype bit one that has a foundation. and most non-cis people also aren't straight. i have lots of non-binary friends and most are either attracted to both sexes or have a preference for the same sex they were born as.

yes, his mannerism and speech pattern are also queer-ish (as stupid as this sounds.) think ten from nct or woonggi from to1, kind of similar.

his overall vibe screams queer - his speech, the way he presents himself, his queer musical roles, the tattoo.

 

(sidenote i think the nu'est members joked about something in relation to this but i don't remember, might be a fake memory)

Thankyou! 

But then why did I get jumped earlier for merely suggesting Taeyong could be non-cis non-binary/genderfluid/gender-nonconforming/queer? 

If people can suggest someone may not be straight, why can’t I suggest someone may not be fully-cis non-binary/genderfluid/gender non-conforming/queer? 

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Edit: No I understand my mistake in saying the word “gay”. 

And for saying the word “gay”…when most of your non-cis friends like the same-sex? You specifically said “most non-cis people also aren’t straight”. 

Someone earlier told me “Which is silly because gnc, nb people don't have the same lived experience as gay people. Both are valid and both are also completely different. You can argue there is some overlap, but I think that overlap is smaller than you imagine. Sexual orientation and gender identity are separate things and should be adressed as such.” 

So not all gay people are non-cis but most non-cis non-binary/genderfluid people are gay (gay/les/bi/pan)? 

Edit: I forgot “non-cis” also includes trans people, who many are straight 

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by mEeEeE

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Ok this will be my last post about the subject then regular programming can continue (i.e talking about sexuality). 

Ok I understand. Thanks for the explanation. 

It’s just that when things like this occur: 

 

He put the picture at the back of his phonecase. It must mean a lot to him. 

What does he mean by that? Does he feel “female”  sometimes? Or he likes to express himself quite feminine-ly, while still identifying as male? Is he saying he feels genderfluid/non-binary or like a femboy? I’m pretty sure he’s not trans…he recently got an AstroBoy tattoo that he said represents himself, he really likes the crotch-grab dance move etc

Edited April 19, 2022 by mEeEeE