Which male idols do you think are gay?

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At this point I don't even care if Heechul is gay or bi or straight, he's been creepy towards female idols (and underage ones too) in the past. The truth is that people who claim Heechul and Momo were PR never seem to come up with a good explanation of what would Momo gain by this. Because she gained absolutely nothing. Like others have said, she had no lesbian rumors (maybe only internationally, but international fans think all idols are gay anyway) and I highly doubt she was being blackmailed by anyone. The only alternative here (if we presume Heechul is gay) is that she was his beard and she didn't even know it, but I doubt Heechul would be cruel enough to do that to her.

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30 minutes ago, OptimusPremier said:

Helping a friend out? Money? Promise of gigs or a career after/if Twice disbands? Being forced or coaxed into it by her boss because JYP wanted to appear in Knowing Bros and kept being denied? There could be many reasons actually. Also people call Heechul a creep and a fetishist solely because of his relationship with Momo it seems. Because they met when she was still underage and international fans also took that out of proportion, questioning every time he fanboyed over a girlgroup.

Also idk what this thing about his mother and a chinese wife is (is it about his "We Got Married" chinese wife?). Personally, that's what I've seen his mother say (basically that Heechul doesn't want to get married): https://www.koreaboo.com/news/heechul-mother-son-marriage-dating/ Or is it about the chinese actress's daughter who said that her coat and purse looked better on him?

All those reasons sound stupid as fuck LMAO. JYP doesn't need Momo to appear on Knowing Bros. When they admitted their relationship Twice was far from disbanding, it would make more sense if they got into a PR relationship now when Twice is on their last year. Money... lmao. If it was about helping a friend out Heechul has female friends that he's closer to than Momo. Again, Momo gains absolutely nothing here.

And I call him a creep bc of his fawning over Sohee when she was underage.

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54 minutes ago, OptimusPremier said:

This? (she's not even underage here btw)

Or the fact that he was just a genuine fan and haters put a lusting label on his appreciation for no reason? 

 

In 2018 he said she has been his ideal type for 10 years. How old do you think Sohee was in 2008?

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1 hour ago, OptimusPremier said:

He said that she was "an oasis through that time" (as in "hard time") while the other KB cast made a fuss about him being nervous and pushed an "ideal type world cup" on him when he had literally just said "no, it's not like that".

 

And yet here, they have one of those ideal type world cups and he always chooses her. The video was uploaded in June 2010, when Sohee was 18 years old but the part with the ideal type world cup is older for sure, Sohee's photo is from 2008. It would make it more palatable if back then he said it wasn't like that but now that she's an adult it isn't like that but when she was a minor it was fine to call her his ideal type?

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17 hours ago, gam3 bo1 said:

just something sweet

 

I don't want to be rude but the chances of Jungkook knowing all of this are probably really low. The shirt he's wearing isn't even a part of that collaboration.

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I feel like it's really hard to ascertain asexuality among idols when idols are essentially supposed to always be on guard when it comes to love/sex, because of the fans. Fans are prone to overanalysing everything, even performance reactions in award shows, so idols are probably on guard constantly.

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5 hours ago, marupyon said:

Real people can not be accused of queerbaiting anyways. Not only it enforces heteronormativity by assuming that everyone is straight unless stated otherwise, forcing people to come out in order to avoid them a limited outrage on social media is not safe at all, especially not in a country where openly gay entertainers get hate-crimed on plain sight. Yes, the silence of the industry is saddening. But knowing how stan Twitter works, people who show support to Holland or the lgbt community will be accused of "performative activism" sooner or later, not to mention how some idols who have shown support for LGBTQIA communities were cyberbullied in the past (remember how Ilbe terrorized Jonghyun after he posted this trans woman's letter on SNS? Now a man with similar ideology to Ilbes is running South Korea)

Yeah, real people can't queerbait but idols definitely can. 

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16 hours ago, lgbtxt said:

i feel like it’s more accurate to say that kpop companies queerbait. it’s not necessarily the idols’ decision what they do or don’t do, especially if we’re talking queerbait in mvs/shows/basically any official content. it just doesn’t feel right to say a living breathing human being is queerbaiting when you can’t  know for sure they’re not LGBT 

I think there's a difference between implying that you're gay, like openly consuming LGBTQ media or even enthusiastically showing support to the community, and doing skinship with your fellow group members. For example, Taehyung talking about CMBYN or posting about Leslie Cheung isn't queerbaiting. But Jungkook randomly sitting on Taehyung's lap in the middle of their concert, in front of thousands of fans, is queerbaiting to me. Or at least it's textbook fan service. 

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54 minutes ago, Tixy said:

Under spoiler for the VJ rumors, but mostly about fan behavior.

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I am getting a bit irrationally angry looking at some of those posts.

The fans, most of whom seem to be taekook shippers from what I've observed, have found a guy who looks like Taehyung. Alight, the guy kinda made his bed by trying to make bank off looking like Taehyung, but is there really no line? To insinuate that because he, a model, added 20 fashion-related tags to his post is somehow proof that he sent in those pictures himself is crazy to me on so many levels. 

Firstly, literally no connection between the two points. Secondly, this entire plot hinges on the idea that he found a Jennie lookalike, went to Jeju with her, took pictures, submitted them, likely waited a few days after the scandal hit to plant the idea that it was him, and then sat and prayed that the fans will latch onto that and bring a bit of exposure to his Instagram page. Except that as soon as people started saying it was him he didn't milk it but instead denied it, repeatedly too, whoops. 

Taekookers are a different breed I swear. 

Also, Jennie appeared publicly with brown hair (a bit on the lighter side), so orange no more. 

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I'm dead at taekookers seeing this guy put multiple tags on his photos, something 90% of people do on instagram, as a sign he orchestrated all of this. It's getting too much and I've already said this before but they're acting like larries. I'd sooner believe the photo being edited than this guy being in it and they need to leave him alone.

 

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Heechul could very well be bi but I don't think he has internalized homophobia.

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I can't believe someone is legit entertaining something spread by a "Kpop insider" lmao.

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On 8/6/2022 at 7:48 PM, joonsoulie said:

I don't think it's impossible for them to be dating but. This pic did make me lol

lol but honestly Irene is Korean American and she hangs out with gay people and she pretty much always uses the rainbow emoji whenever she posts about Hobi so idk lmao

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4 hours ago, Eremit said:

I feel like if Leo was gay he'd have had a beard over 25 at this point, surely. People have been mocking him for his penchant for dating very young girls for years and he's always a hair away from being labelled a full on creep for it. I find it hard to believe that's a front, no PR would possibly suggest that.

Plus people have been talking about him and his group of male friends drinking and partying with (young) women for ages, too. That'd be quite the commitment to a fake playboy image if it was all a front lol.

Everyone should google the Pussy Posse lmao. There are def closeted guys in Hollywood but I don't think Leo is one of them.

Edited August 23, 2022 by miwa201

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I also think Harry might be queer. But his comment about gay sex scenes is incredibly stupid. I mean, where are these movies where guys are going at it? He's implying tender gay sex is a rarity when honestly that's the most frequent kind of sex in the gay movies that make it big, like CMBYN. Hell, Moonlight doesn't even have a sex scene (I'm not saying it's a bad thing btw).

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18 hours ago, MotorHome said:

I'm sure I will get called delusional etc but I have something to say about Taennie. Is it not possible that they could just be friends? I don't understand why people are so sure they are dating, even if the pictures are real. It's not like they are particularly intimate. To make it clear, if they are dating, I am happy for them but it is just weird to me that people are acting like it is confirmed. But then we know that people will even take the most tenuous things as proof of a man and a woman dating and dismiss things when it indicates same sex attraction. If it was two male idols or two female idols, no one would bat an eyelid (aside from some shippers, who as I have said before, often don't actually support the LGBT community). Also, it isn't only shippers of same sex pairings who can be cray cray lol. 

I am just waiting for people to accuse Tae of queerbaiting by sharing love of LGBT media and talking about being upset about not being able to release a male/male love song lol. It's like when people say fan service is a smokescreen which makes no damn sense. No straight idol is going to want fans to actually think they are LGBT and there is a reason LGBT idols can't be out.

Regardless of the nature of their relationship, I don't think he is straight. If proof does come out that they are dating, I know some people will treat it as a "gotcha" moment which is sad because a) there is nothing wrong with thinking someone is gay or part of the community and b) not gay does not mean straight. Some people act like they are the only options when bisexuality and pansexuality etc exist. And let's not forget that most LGBT people in Asia are not going to be out and gay people will be pressured to get married etc and date people of the opposite sex. But that is another depressing issue. 

One more thing, why are some people so sure that Jennie dated GD for example? Was there ever any actual evidence or good reason to think so? 

Queerbaiting isn't liking gay media like Taehyung does. It would be extremely silly if anyone called that queerbaiting. Queerbaiting is what he does with other members at various concerts. Loving CMBYN is not.

51 minutes ago, bb8__ said:

I follow Lady GaGa! That means I'm not gay! 

I get your point but using Gaga as your example of all women? Lol.

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On 9/16/2022 at 6:38 AM, jay94 said:

Because of the new Tae x Jennie leaks Taekook shippers started trending "Taekook" and this video showed to me. Is this real? Did Taehyung really read it or shippers made this up?

 

This is the only legit thing in that entire dumb thread (I'm dead at Jungkook supposedly clapping to prove Taekook is real). The problem with shippers is that they don't realize that someone's sexuality isn't connected to their relationship. Taehyung could very well be gay (or bi I guess) but that doesn't mean he's dating Jungkook. These two things aren't related at all.

Personally I think Jungkook is straight but with Tae I'd be surprised if he was, even with the Jennie thing. I guess he's bi?

Edit: Sorry I just opened the tweet and thought it was in a thread the same user made proving Taekook is real lol.

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15 hours ago, MJr said:

TBH regarding Tae and speculation about him in light of recent events I gotta say, whenever idols get discussed here after they have had rumors/confirmation of dating the opposite sex there's drama and like, for what? Just my onion, but you guys understand that most bi people are going to end up dating/marrying the opposite sex due to social pressure, especially in conservative and LGBT-unfriendly countries like South Korea, right? Even a Kinsey 4-5 is almost definitely going to end up with someone of the opposite sex. And even some fully homosexual people will end up bearded or in lavender marriages and stuff like that. That doesn't mean they are straight. It means that out of every idol who is gay/bi, only a small minority is going to remain ~suspiciously single~ well into their 30s or even 40s.

I actually disagree bc for Korean celebrities it's perfectly normal to stay single even into your 40s. That's bc once you get married you will lose parts of your fanbase bc even actors need to be seen as available. No one cares that Lee Dongwook or Gong Yoo or Jung Woosung aren't married. Your career is at risk if you get married, especially if you're a pretty boy lol aka someone who got to where they are primarily with their looks.

As for idols and queerbaiting I think idols def do queerbait despite being real people. Bc idols sell a persona, it's literally in their job description. And fans will sooner stomach the thought of their idols dating each other then their idols dating some random woman that's not them. Think about it, why it the most popular BTS ship made up of the two most popular members? Taehyung and Jungkook always do some kind of fan service at concerts which is the best place to do fan service bc it's literally in front of the fans. And that includes queerbaiting.

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1 hour ago, jay94 said:

This is surprising to me because BTS never participated in large scale events individually and since there were rumors about BTS performing as a group at the World Cup, even the fanbase didn't expect only one member to go. I'd prefer if none of them participated but I'm kinda glad my bias isn't a part of it. I wonder if they wanted the whole group but some members didn't agree or wanted only Jungkook from the beginning. Jungkook filmed a MV in Qatar already and will participate in the official soundtrack. The reactions from the fandom differ. I found many negative comments from Army about it after doing a quick search and they say 'this is the first BTS activity they will not support', some are clueless about World Cup and didn't even know how huge this event is globally and the rest is excited. As expected there's lots of criticism because he's participating from non-Armys as well. I wish it stayed a rumor tbh.

I think they probably wanted all of them but since the group is on a hiatus (for real now) bc of Jin then they only sent Jungkook. If armys were fine with the Saudi concert they shouldn't have a problem with this. You can't just pick and choose. But yeah, I like Jungkook, but it's disappointing. At the same time what did people expect? They have never showed strong opinions on social justice. Even before they've never showed strong support for the LGBTQ community, when they were asked about it it was just Suga who said something supportive, the others stayed silent. 

Recently Rose was asked if she supports the community and she gave a non answer. I feel like the biggest support I've seen from a top act is Twice performing Born This Way lol.

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This isn't specific to BTS lol, kpop fans are like that. I guarantee you that if any other kpop group was performing at the Opening Ceremony their fans would act the same. Kpop fans have no morals when it comes to their faves (see Seungri still having fans).

Hybe and Jungkook won't care unless Korean fans speak up. That's how it's always been. And Korean fans don't care from what I've seen, they're all proud of Jungkook.

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10 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

Same goes for Dua Lipa, I liked her music and she should definitely have known better. 

I'm actually really shocked that Dua is participating. I mentioned in the previous page that I'm not surprised by Jungkook participating bc 1) this is a huge opportunity for him, especially as a solo artist and 2) they're so quiet about social justice issues that I genuinely don't know what they support or don't (I mean, for all we know he could be a homophobe lmao). But Dua has been pretty open about supporting all kinds of things, from Palestine to the abortion debate in the US so I'm pretty surprised she agreed to do this. Just shows that money is everything to celebrities lmao.

4 hours ago, sergel said:

All this talk does beg the question: what does everyone feel actually counts as support? The topic of BTS and LGBTQA has become muddled partly due to what some have said, some of the support is actually just fan projections rather than what they’ve done (I don’t keep enough to know what is or isn’t).

Thus, what do people personally think qualifies as support, and what Korean celebrities have done it? Obviously coming out and talking about gay rights or donating to causes for it would be good, but that is rare. I’m pretty sure some people like Jaechan, Zuho, and some female celebrities have though.

Like I would say OnlyOneOf’s recent videos depicting same sex relationships as supportive, since it’s actually portraying it and not showing same sex couples as some evil or vile thing. Even idols and actors recommending queer artists and works is similar, but that could be more open to interpretation and less concrete. 

In contrast though, I don’t think wearing certain clothes really means much these days unless it’s some Pride apparel, for example. Reason being, in the past I may have thought all the crop tops and BDSM-lite stuff idols wear could be a sign, but it’s so common these days and a lot of idols just wear what their stylist picks for them. There’s also a huge difference in what they wear at home versus on stage.

Theres a lot more to the topic so I’m curious what others feel shows support and what doesn’t.

The most recent blatant support I can think of is Lesserafim's Yunjin posting a message during Pride month which was very cool. If she can do it, I'm sure others can. Then again she's Korean American so there's that too.

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1 hour ago, LostChild said:

I don't think anyone in this thread said Jungkook should speak out about gay rights ? From my understanding, most people are annoyed that for years many armys claimed him as an "LGBT king" when in fact he's never actually made any sign confirming he supports the community. Therefore you cannot say in good faith that he's definitely a gay ally and there's no way he could be a homophobe bts. To be clear, I personally I do not think he is one, probably just a straight guy who feels detached from the political issues at play and logically put a once in a lifetime career opportunity above a cause he has no reason to feel strongly for. But we should always remember that we do not know those idols nor their personal beliefs unless they made those clear repeatedly.

And I disagree that fans should "lower their expectations". After all, they're just idols. We shouldn't be obligated to express such a loyalty and devotion to people who are strangers to us or support every action of theirs just because we like their music and performances. This is also a strange take considering some of his labelmates have been upfront with their support for the community despite still being rookies.

Tbh nowadays the only people who call him a lgbt king are 1) shippers or 2) those weird OT7 fans who are obsessed with poly bangtan bc deep down they don't want the members to be in public relationships with women. In this thread the consensus has been that he's straight for a while. Tbh if he is part of the community this would make him look worse imo. I agree with your assessment, he just seems like an insensitive straight guy who probably doesn't care about issues that personally affect him. And while I'm sure he's getting paid a lot this is more about the opportunity which is undoubtedly huge.

3 minutes ago, TheCal said:

You don't have to be shocked anymore, because Dua is not going to be there. That was a false rumor. 

Yes, I just saw this. I'm really glad. Armys are doing all kinds of whataboutism right now but she's perfectly right. Even if you ignore the homophobia there are still thousands of migrant workers that died bc of this world cup.

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2 hours ago, jay94 said:

You are absolutely right. There's a fraction of Armys who call BTS gay and LGBT kings without a reason and some of them truly believe that members are the only people BTS need to achieve ultimate happiness in life. But they are a big fandom and not everyone agrees with them. Jungkook never showed any signs of being supportive or had moments that would make you think that he wasn't straight. To me he's the only member that I'm sure is straight.

The most I can think of him showing support is him clapping when Harry Styles talked about someone coming out at his concert. But tbf you could say this about everyone in the group except for Yoongi and J-Hope.

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11 hours ago, Sm4-ever said:

I could see Heechul judging  an episode in the first season. I know hes not everyones favourite  for  a variety of reasons but one thing he´s not is homophobic . Another potential judge is Eum who is an openly queer model. Not fully sure about their pronouns but they were a judge on high school fashion icon (Goganzi) season 2. 

Regarding Jungkook and the Word cup I honestly can say I am not surprised.  I am sure if Jungkook really didn’t  want to do it hybe wouldn’t  have pressured him to.  Koreans in general doesn’t not seem to take a particular large interest in things outside of Korea.. They are  hive minded in alot of things and seem afraid to speak their mind even if they care since anything outside the norm seem to be able to lead exclusion, bullying etc. I would assume most members of Bts would accept doing the same except Taehyung and Rm for some reasons. I am not even part of the V and Rm are gay or on the queer spectrum camp.  I just sort of get the feeling through some of their interest and actions that  they would care alot more about what the Qatar stands for and has done then Jungkook. 

lol if Taehyung and RM didn't approve of the Qatar performance they wouldn't have posted photos of them watching it. Watching it (live, legally) is supporting it too. The only one who didn't post anything is Jin, but I doubt it's bc of Qatar, he's probably busy with his enlistment.

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57 minutes ago, SingulariV said:

Of course watching a World Cup is not the same as taking money from a corrupt organisation to be a pretty sparkly object to distract from awful human rights abuses.

But here, with almost all of them posting, they 100% know Jungkook is getting heat for this decision and decided to support him in his godawful decision. It might be cursed loyalty or  standing by their brand but they closed ranks against fans and it's upsetting.

Even if some of them are LGBT+, and very conflicted about this, they'll be okay in their privileged bubble and their moral ambiguity. The Qatari regime and FIFA will continue being callous about much poorer and desperate people. 

About BTS and conservatism: what frustrates me is, their 'brand' is liberal. Let's be real, incels aren't rooting for them, young Korean women are. So it serves them fine to talk about feminism and publicly support Moon Jae-In. But it's so dispiriting to keep wondering if any of them has a problem even with this milquetoast compromise. Instead of just knowing for sure :// 

How do they know this? Bc he only got heat from some international armys, who were immediately shut down by the hivemind. They are ultimately Korean men, with only one of them being fluent in English, it's logical to assume that they only look at Korean social media/news. And no one in Korea questioned Jungkook going, people even called him Korea's pride. Quite frankly I don't think even Jungkook knows that there were people unhappy with him going. 

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1 hour ago, joonsoulie said:

 

I'm confused, don't these statements contradict each other?

If they supposedly don't know JK is getting flak for this decision as it's being praised in Korea, why would you expect them to be fully educated on the controversy in Qatar? I can't claim to know what the Korean media's perspective on the human rights abuses or if they're even reporting on it, but if it's not a pressing issue there as it sounds like people are saying, and we acknowledge they are recieving information through that lens, what exactly are they supposed to know and not know?

As an American, most of us know fuck all about the World Cup. Others chimed in here, but ignorance about the WC is not something you should be blaming individuals for if there's no coverage of it. I don't see nightly news reports about the abuses in Qatar because it's not relevant to US interests, and this is in a country that claims to prioritize promoting democracy and human rights. From what I've gathered, state-sanctioned homophobia in Qatar would not be receiving media attention in SK, so unless one seeks out alternative news sources it stands to reason they would be uneducated.

I don't think it's fair to condemn the members posting a picture of them supporting their teammate - someone they've known and in some ways raises for over a decade - during what is undoubtedly for JK an honor and huge opportunity, regardless of whether he has any moral quandaries about it. Can you imagine the fan reaction if they "ignored" a moment for him like this? For all we know, they watched the opening ceremony and then switched the tv off. Or, maybe they watched the whole thing. But it's incredibly unfair IMO to condemn the whole band because of the actions of one member and his company representatives, especially when, as mentioned with RM and singing in English, we KNOW they disagree with decisions made for them and they just have to shut the fuck up due to obligations to their contracts and the thousands of people whose payroll relies on their continued success.

BTS discussions always get crazy because it seems almost impossible to have a neutral opinion - either they are all homophobes who condone the murder of migrant workers because they posted a picture of them watching tv, or Jungkook is living his role as a queer icon and proudly showing out in Qatar with his little gay outfit as a form of protest. The most reasonable take IMO is to express disappointment with certain decisions while recognizing that their lives are not truly their own and not everything is worth total condemnation.

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My opinion is that I'm really upset that JK chose to perform but it %100 makes sense from a business perspective. Although they're happy to get rich from international fans, HYBE/BH (and all kpop companies for that matter) have made it clear the the will of the Korean consumer is most important. I agree that JK himself has never done anything to indicate LGBT allyship or identity and it's mindboggling to me that he's like, accepted as a member of the community according to stan twitter?? So I don't know how deep his personal moral compass runs regarding queer issues, and I would be way more shocked if he turned down an opportunity like this.

This is JK performing in Qatar though - not the others. Again, as has been said, they are individual people with individual ideas and perspectives on things. Posting a picture of your little brother performing for an audience of millions on tv does not a homophobe or hypocrite make. I'm not a fan of assuming bigotry in others so I'll hold off on condemning Namjoon for example - who expressed support for the LGBTQ community before BTS blew up and their speech was more monitored (during his "incel" era, apparently - but took a more neutral tone once they became a mouthpiece for Korean cultural exchange and had billions of dollars riding on not rocking the boat.

And yeah, they (Namjoon and Yoongi specifically) have acknowledged Marxism by name the evils of capitalism in and out of their music, but it's rare. They have made small acknowledgements of the LGBT community. They have spoken about human rights in a non-neutral way. Not in the last couple years, but they have. They are not propping themselves up as bastions of social justice though - the fans did that. I see a lot of personal blame being placed on the members for the misbehavior and projections of their fandom, which for most things they are not at fault for. Blame the fandom for calling them gay icons, not them. Because they sure didn't say it themselves!

No, I've said from the start that I believe Jungkook isn't aware of the controversy behind the World Cup, and I don't think the others are too. None of them have talked about football extensively in the past (like Suga has about basketball), although they've shown love to Son Heungmin but that's to be expected since he's a Korean playing in the biggest football league in the world, which is quite rare. So I think it's valid to think they didn't know. Maybe some of them became aware after Dua's statement, but we can't know that. My point is that it's silly for people to act as if the other members don't approve of Jungkook going to Qatar, and them posting those stories proved my point. And I disagree that people would have made a problem out of no one saying anything. If I'm not wrong no one posted anything about Jin singing with Coldplay. Besides, Jin didn't say anything and no one cares. Personally I think no one in the band has a problem with Jungkook going. I can't tell if that makes them homophobes or not, but there's literally no difference between this and the Saudi concert. Yeah, yeah, Big Hit is behind all of this but let's not act like the members were unhappy at the Saudi concert. I can't tell if they're homophobes or not (personally I do think a couple of members are conservatives but I digress), but I think they simply don't care about issues that don't affect them personally.

I don't want to quote everyone who replied to my last post but I'll just say - I don't agree lol. People really overestimate Jungkook's knowledge of English (remember that Charlie Puth said he doesn't speak it at all) but most importantly they've all shown they primarily care about Korean fans. I think they all posted it bc it's undoubtedly a big deal, whether we like it or not.

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As for why he's seen as part of the community it's simple: a) he's part of the two biggest BTS ships, with tons of shippers, and does extensive fan service, b) he has some feminine mannerisms and, most importantly, c) there's a LOT of projection with armys, where they act like all the members are gay (hence the poly bts stuff), whether it comes to straight, bi or gay women it doesn't matter. But it's quite pathetic ngl.

 

Edited November 21, 2022 by miwa201