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[NickyNumbers]

I thought this was very interesting. It's analysis of both G.C.F by a director

 

 

https://thebangtankaijuu.tumblr.com/post/173460365065/gcf-in-tokyoosaka-a-directors-outlook

G.C.F in Tokyo/Osaka - a director’s outlook

 

Well, Jeon Jungkook has done it again ;D

 

A few weeks ago, I decided to re-visit G.C.F in Tokyo, as I do very often, for some mental peace. I’d been wanting to share my two cents on it for the longest time, but since many of the reviews I read here on Tumblr were similar to my own thoughts and sentiments, I hesitated. But then I thought, why don’t I take an outsider’s opinion on the video and share that instead.

 

A professional director’s opinion, for instance.

 

So I contacted a close family-friend, who is a veteran Indian film-director/screen-writer. A brief insight into his background:

• He is 60+ years old.
• He’s been in the film-industry for approx. 40 years.
• Won Best Debut Director award and several screen-writer accolades
• One of his films won twenty-three international awards at the Cannes film festival
• His first noted screenplay was for the first Indian 3D film.
• He comes from a society where male/male romantic relationship is not seen as common-place, even in movies.
• He is not familiar with Kpop groups/music or Korean entertainment industry.
• To say that he took an immense liking to JK’s video and his skills as a director/editor/story-teller would be an understatement. He LOVED it. I had originally planned to post his thoughts as a stand-alone review on G.C.F in Tokyo, but since JK decided to drop his second bomb on us today, I jumped at the chance to show him his new video.

Needless to say, he LOVED G.C.F in Osaka too. And since he had a lot to share about both videos, I think it would be better to share his comparative thoughts on both.

 

(Disclaimer: I did not disclose any info on both videos as well as about BTS, to keep his opinions as unbiased as possible. The context he perceived was JK as a semi-professional director and the videos as his ‘short films’. He thought JM to be an actor in the first video (deduced from the end credits). In the second video he concluded that all the boys are JK’s actor-friends)

 

Initial impressions:

 

(on G.C.F in Tokyo)

 

“The actor in the movie is a personification of the director’s happiness, pleasure and joy. He uses the actor’s actions to show us his own emotions, reflected off of the other. The immediate narrative we get is that of a love story. He uses [JM] to showcase his love for the city he is in, the company he is with, the events he goes to etc. But the focal point, the crux for all of his emotions is [JM]. Without the actor in it, this becomes a travel video. With [JM], it becomes a movie with a story. More than a simple recording of the trip, it’s a narrative with a purpose. Every shot was intentional and in tune with the music and the lyrics, meaning he’d already picked out the song and was likely humming it in his head as he shot the clips.

 

Contrary to the title, this video is not about Tokyo.â€

 

(on G.C.F in Osaka)

 

“The narrative here differs from the first, but not entirely. It is more of a sequel I’d say. Here, [JK] balances out his focus between the city (Osaka) and the actors. He paints the city as a caricature but he uses a very limited range of motion. There a lot of elements referenced from the first video, especially the shots with the first actor [JM], which means that he is continuing his narrative of ‘love and happiness’. The added narrative from this video is ‘friendship and fun’, as showcased by the rest of the actors, mainly by the masked actor’s [TH] and [JM]’s playfulness.

 

I wouldn’t use the same actor [JM] to portray the same narrative unless I am filming a sequel movie, since without correlation the original narrative could easily get lost. Had he not filmed the first video and posted it before this, we would miss out on this double narrative and only take it as ‘friendship and fun’. The reference to the first video was intentional, hence the double narrative is made clear. Here the crux of his emotions branch out among all the actors, but with a very biased focus on [JM’s] narrative.â€

 

On the song choice and focus of the lyrics:

 

Was the song choice random or deliberate?

 

“Given the amount of detailing that has gone into capturing each shot, it is clear that the songs for both videos were chosen intentionally. When a director wants to tell a story to the audience, every single element requires careful planning. Similar elements in both videos - the traffic signal shot in the first referenced in the clock ticking shot in the second - can attribute to this fact. However, the level of planning put into both videos is very different.â€

 

What about the lyrical focus? Does that have any significance?

 

“It is indeed interesting to note how he carries over the narrative from the first video not just via the shots but also through the song lyrics. Lyrically, the message from the first video aided the single narrative. ‘I’ll be there for you’ was the message, spoken with a clear focus on the actor in the movie. In the second video however, the message is not to the actors in the movie, but to the audience watching it.â€

 

Which part of the lyrical focus stood out to you the most?

 

Around 3.43-3.50 in the second video, the focus is particularly interesting to me since it is a direct correlation to the clips in the first video. We see the lyrics ‘I got me someone else instead’ being focused on the first actor a lot, indicating the first narrative. The lyrics that immediately follow, ‘He’s taking your side of the bed’ focuses on the masked actor, the second narrative. From a story-telling perspective, this tells me that the first narrative of ‘love and happiness’ takes precedence over his second narrative of ‘friendship and fun’. This is only seen if the second video is taken as a sequel to the first video, which he has already made clear that it is.â€

 

What do you think about the bit where the music cuts off and we hear them talking/laughing?

 

“That bit was beautiful, I applaud him for including that. Not only was it a very direct link to the first video, where he showed [JM]’s, and by extension his own, happiness through the actor’s goofy dancing and bright laughter (referring to JM ‘dancing’ in disneyland, the street, the suits shop etc), this time we have the sounds along with the visuals. He did it only with [JM], meaning he dived deeper into the first narrative and not the second. That clip was not about Osaka, it was about Tokyo. I’d say he was reminiscing Tokyo in Osaka. The correlation between both videos is the strongest in that clip. Now when I go back and watch the first video, and the clips of [JM] laughing, I will be able to clearly hear his laughter. To an unfamiliar audience, that bit is very very precious. It’s like a color blind person seeing color for the first time.â€

 

On the overall editing:

 

"The editing is beautiful and differently done [in G.C.F in Osaka], yet in a familiar style reminiscent of the first video. He’s brought out a lot of similarities from the first video, mainly the shots with the first actor. I’d say he referenced the first video deliberately. Notable added elements would be the second actor [TH]. The director used him and the other actors to paint the city as a caricature, with a playful vibe. He’s excited to be here with them. While in the first video he is hugging that ‘city’. showing a huge infatuation, a loving vibe, he’s showing pleasure, love through the emotions reflected on [JM] in the first video.â€

 

"What camera does this guy use? How do i make him my assistant? Or become his assistant, whichever works best.†(lol, JK you have a new fan looks like)

 

Any bit that stood out as funny or weird?

 

"There were a few shots where he included the filming crew I think? Who was that fourth guy? (I told him he was the manager-hyung). Nice of [JK] to include him but I wonder, if he wanted to show an intimate side to their friendship he would not have included that person. Considering the similarity to the first video’s elevator scene, he’s showing the same element - using the first actor - in different settings. With friends, without friends. I think his focus here is still the first actor. He seems pretty obsessed with [JM]â€

 

Why do you think he’d be obsessed with [JM]?

 

"I don’t know, but if I were him I’d use both actors to tell different narratives. He used [JM] to show love and pleasure for the 'city’, like I mentioned. In the second video, in a totally different city, he used the same actor to show friendship, fun and playful excitement BUT he was able to do it only with the addition of [TH]. Without him, the narrative is still the same as the first video. Every bit where he focused on the first actor alone was the same story re-told in the same fashion. Even the shots were similar. [TH] kept it goofy, friendlier. Clearly he has boxed them into these roles in his head so it makes sense, from a story telling perspectiveâ€

 

What do you think about the actors (JM and TH) in the second video? How did their acting seem to you?

 

"Goofy friends doing goofy things. [TH] is very aware of the camera. [JM] doesn’t bother about it much. i think he’s the one the director films the most, that shows why he’s more natural here. He was very natural in the first video as well, his ‘acting’ was not acting at all. It reflects in the second video, and the way he ‘directs’ [TH] in some shots. When an actor is attuned to a director’s style of filming, he ends up not acting on camera and projects his actions naturally.â€

 

"Where are the other two actors though? They just ate and left. Guess their narrative was not important here so he fired them. I can relate to that†(lol)

 

Concluding thoughts:

 

So, any final takeaways from both these videos?

 

“Plenty. This person is telling us a beautiful story, one that is abundant in love, happiness, friendship but with the undertones of longing, apprehension, an ache of some sort. It’s beautiful yet bittersweet and he can only express it with the people around him. He masks his frown by using their smiles to reflect his smile. It’s subtle, but to me it is very hard to ignore. I want to shake his hand for a video well made, but also hug him tight for a story well told.â€

 

“A director always uses references that are symbolic to him first and foremost when he is telling a personal story. Both these videos, while professionally shot and edited for the most part, convey narratives that are personal to [JK]. The creative romanticism in both videos are very apparent, portraying very different vibes yet staying true to [JK]’s personal style. He is someone who writes a lot in between the lines, but leaves very apparent hints on where we can find them. There is no need to over analyse, everything is laid out neatly, artistically. He sings to us through his videos, and the actors in them, especially the first actor [JM] whom I feel is the most attuned to his style, dance beautifully to his song.

 

[JK] is already a wonderful director in my eyes.â€

 

 

ibfeel validated now. i knew that Tae and the others were in the video but it still felt Jimin biased.

 

i'm beginning to think maybe there is a deeper meaning to him choosing the name "golden closet"

 

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[NickyNumbers]

Luke came out, yes, absolutely OUT and stating exactly what his preference was in a magazine interview I and many others saw years ago before he got famous.

 

Hollywood came calling and he was shoved in the closet, got a beard (his PR agent at the time I think) and ever since he's been inching out again, leaving things ambiguous and going the 'I'm private I don't say anything' game until he must have had enough and started showing his boyfriend off. But he pissed off a lot of gays who knew he was gay because he didn't even start to hint again until he'd hit peak fame. It was in literal black and white years before his PR team swept it all off the internet.

 

I have to cut South Koreans more slack because they are really up against it both socially and from religious areas and the military. But tbh I'm loving the LGBT push that's going on in music in SK, it does feel like a bit of a gay revolution is working itself up, like they just don't care and are expressing themselves more freely.

I really agree with you in this LGBT push that seems to be happening lately. With Holland being open and Hansol (TD; Navinci) being so public about his own confusion, I think it's only a matter of time before someone bigger steps up to plate.

 

Some of the most speculated idols leave for military soonish. Jo Kwon should go sometime this year and Key within two and I think when they come back we'll be at a precipice of something big and someone is gonna do it.

 

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[NickyNumbers]

So. I've come to a final feeling on BTS and it's not where I started thinking.

 

Jin - straight ally

Suga - pan king

J-Hope - straight ally (maybe bi-curious)

RM - bi with a leaning towards girls

Jimin - gay

Taehyung - bi with a leaning towards boys

Jungkook - gay

 

Honestly don't know how I ended up landong on Kookie being gay but someone mentioned it and it just seems more and more plausible.

 

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[NickyNumbers]

I don’t think i have a gaydar or anything like that but I do pick up on things very easily and it’s something that rarely fails me when reading people , so here are some of my observations :

 

>Super Junior :

 

 

Heechul : Gay (ha) or at the very least Bi with preference for men , very comfortable in his glass closet , takes joy in confusing people and trolling them . All things considered , living in a country where people think gays don’t exist is not too bad actually , you can be as gay and as obvious as you want , and as long as you don’t verbally come out all is good and you can still keep your Job/gigs , you can live with a man for years and not get married and people will thing you’re best friends forever . Kind of ironic that such a homophobic country makes it so easy to date the same sex . But I guess after a while you start to feel that people don’t really see you as you are , as if you don’t really exist outside of what they believe you’re .

 

Ryeowook : Gay

Donghae : Bi/straight

Kyuhyun : Bi/straight

 

The rest : Probably straight/straightish .

 

 

>TVXQ :

 

 

Yunho :Gay , kinda baffling how people genuinely thought he was straight in the past , he seems to have struggled with internalized homophobia and was under great pressure to present himself as Princely and manly . I’m happy that he put all that bullshit behind and he looks so radiant and content now and so comfortable with himself , luckily for him Korea seem to also dig this new side of his .

 

Jaejoong : Bi/Gay , In the days of Yunjae , Yunho was believed to be the straight one (lol) And jae to be gay , Good times . Now , Jaejoong is very hard to read and is very confusing . He seems to be hesitant on how he wants people to perceive him , should he show what people want to see of him or should he show what He wants to be perceived as . Im not up to date with what he’s doing right now but I hope he got over that and that he can show a more sincere side of himself . Also Japan!Jaejoong is the best Jaejoong .

 

Junsu : Bi/straight

Yoochun : Straight

Changmin : Straight

 

 

 

 

>EXO :

 

 

Sehun : Gay (ha) very blunt and direct , aware that “oppa can’t be Gay !†fangirls got his back , so he takes great advantage of it (That chilli pepper inta post is legendary)

Kai : Bi/straight

Baek: Bi/straight

Kyungsoo : ??? (I will go with straight but I’m also remembering that clip where he glanced at his crotch after watching kai dance)

 

 

 

>BTS :

I just got into them , so i don't have enough background , this is entirely based on vibes and how they respond to men/women , I’ll try to elaborate on them since they seem to be a touchy subject here , so please don't eat me

 

 

Jimin : Gay/Bi with preference for men (I don’t think I need to expend on him since it’s obvious to anyone with eyes , he is probably the hardest to read along with Jhope but seems to be very open and unapologetic with what he likes and how he's as a person in general )

 

Jungkook : Bi (Can't really tell what his preference is since he seems very guarded around women , apart from that he definitely likes male attention, he seems to have a fixation on the slender boyish type (troye sivan ? ) , he also seems to have just recently came to terms with his sexuality after having some struggle with it in the past (maybe troye sivan played a role in that and that's why he likes him so much ) Contrary to Jimin who manifestly have always known about his , and came to terms with it long before . And i feel like going forward he's going to use his music as a creative outlet to express himself in that regard .

 

RM : Straight/Bi-curious : I have no doubt in my mind that RM has a strong desire to experiment with men sexually out of curiosity and/or to have a definite answer on what his sexuality is , but i don't think he would or want to get in a relationship with one .

 

Yoongi : Bi/pan : He said it himself , no need for speculations when it comes to him . Like Jimin he seems to be very self-assured about what he likes , but i don't really think he puts any serious thoughts about his sexuality "I like what i like and it concerns only me " what i mean by that is that he doesn't feel the need to capitalize on it or prove anything to anyone contrary to Jungkook for example who i feel everything changed for him when he made his discovery (I'm not really sure i'm explaining myself well , and i hope i'm not offending anyone with this , it's just how i feel ) .

 

Taehyung : Straight /bi

 

Jin : Straight

 

Jhope : Straight , i didn't pick up on anything from him even from his on-camera persona, if you think he's gay based on that you're probably just picking on stereotypes .

 

 

 

>NCT :

 

 

Jungwoo : Gay (I love him)

Ten : Gay

Jaehyun : Bi/gay

Not sure about the rest .

 

 

>Bigbang :

 

 

GD : Bi with preference for women , probably fooled around with men plenty of times .

SG : BI/straight .

The rest : Straight .

 

 

 

 

 

Edit : I'm up for healthy discussions ! don't hesitate to correct me on things

Omg. I agree with everything you saod about Bangtan. You put my thoughts about JHope and RM and Suga into perfect words.

 

Also, I get what you're saying about Jungkook. He's definantly finally getting comfortable in his own skin. He debuted at 15, a time when most kids are really starting to figure out their sexuality before they get a chance to come to terms with it. So I'ms ure the process took him longer simply because he didn't have as many opportunities to just expieriment and know what he wanted. I also always find his aversion to being called Oppa interesting. I saw a video of him reacting to a little girl saying it the other day and although it wasn't as much visible dislike as he had shown before there was still an obvious discomfort. I think this may have to do with his mom being older than his dad and shaping how he feels on that though.

 

Why do you think Taehyung is straight. For me, he is one of the hardest to read.

 

 

Also, people always bring up Jimin's comment about JHope liking men too much but I honestly think that was just boys being boys making dumb jokes even if they aren't in the best taste.

 

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[NickyNumbers]

Thank you i'm glad you enjoyed it

 

Jhope : Didn't really give Jimin's comment too much thought , he might have been joking/teasing since boys do that a lot . for example Taehyung saying that he thinks Jimin might like men didn't really catch my attention either but Jimin's response to it did , i actually think that moment get overlooked a lot since it says a lot about Jimin .

 

Baekhyun: I hear you he's one of the most suspicious in exo . The things you listed might mean something but they also might mean nothing at all so i tried to not include those in my analysis , same with some statements that might be misleading because of language barrier ( see Yuta's "Girl-boy thing" was taken as heteronormative , when it's just a way of speech in Korean and shouldn't be taken literally )

 

But the body language of attraction is universal , i don't think you can go wrong with it .

 

 

 

You're right ; it is tragic , my original post had Suho as Gay/bi but i lost it and i had to retype everything , Thank you for reminding me ,i'm going to edit it rn .

For TY i haven't seen enough of him so i'm not sure .

 

 

 

Thank you !

 

Jungkook : Yes , i think he had a hard adjusting to everything overall , i wouldn't put too much thought into the oppa thing because : 1-A LOT of gay men enjoy being called oppa and don't mind it even if it comes from female , it's after all just a formality . 2-I'm sure he just disliked being called that by older noona which is kinda of creepy if you think about it , he was just 15/16 after all .

 

Taehyung : He's such a free spirit i wouldn't be surprised if he was anything tbh , but just like Jin or Jhope i guess he never made me raise an eyebrow i guess , and from what i heard i think he has the most dating rumors out of all the members in both Korean and Japanese communities . I actually think he's an open book and doesn't actively try to hide what he's thinking , people are just too caught up on his unconventional personality .

I wasn't aware Tae had a lot of dating rumors. i know he seeed really CLOSE with Park Bogum for a good long while but he's a guy so that makes me think not straight. Tae is an interesting one for sure.

 

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[NickyNumbers]

A group like SHINee, where a big portion of fans already think Key is gay and the shawols who have him as a bias probably don't want to marry him. That might be off but I can't remember when I've last seen a Shawol who both fancies Key and thinks he's straight.

 

With BTS it could go either way. They're certainly big enough in the West now, but we have to remember that someone coming out as gay in a Western boyband wouldn't be simple at all either, not even in 2018. Survivable perhaps, but not simple. And BTS have to juggle with the expectations from their Korean fans as well. Shipping brings in another element- we've seen how fans can act when there's an inkling that their fave might be in a gay relationship with someone other than a member (Sehun and Chef Suke for example), so we can't use the number of shippers to gauge whether a fandom would be accepting overall. If you take out delusional shippers who are only pro-LGBT when it suits them, more conservative fans who are against homosexuality, fans who were banking on marrying their bias, and casual fans who liked the group but now won't, how many people are left is anyone's guess.

 

I'd like to think that a larger portion of BTS' fans are drawn to them because they recognize certain elements they can relate to, but it might still be wishful thinking that the number is big enough to overcome the loss. That's why I think if idol group member(s) came out as gay it wouldn't necessarily be a swift, scandalous end to the idol group but rather a slower dwindling of interest amidst public scrutiny and loss of dedication from hardcore fans that slowly leads to hiatuses and disbandment. A whimper and not a bang, if you will. I hope that's wrong.

 

i just wanted to say that I have a bestie who fancies Key but truly thinks he's straight. she refuses to acknowledge any other possibility. she also is a Yunho stan and doesn't think he's gay either. she doesn't necessarily want to marry them, she just is a bit narrow minded in that regard.

 

on the other hand, i have another friend in the same friend group who thinks EVERYONE is gay.

 

i guess it takes all sorts. 

 

 

also, i do agree, that BTS could possibly survive a coming out but then they'd also have to deal with the dating scandal and with the kind of fervor they insprie, dating can be such a tricky thing to share with the audience. even a Western one when they have those One Direction vibes. no one ever loved Harry's girlfriends. ya know?

 

 

 

 

 

random, i keep seeing all this talk about Heechul the past couple days and yesterday google suggested me an article about all of his "ex-girlfriends" and i laughed my way through the whole thing. if there was an idol who ever learned how to play the system and hide in the clearest of glass closets, it is Kim Heechul. i mean, Gunhee just posted the a cute couple selca throwback to ring in the new year. like, anyone denying those two at this point is blind.

[NickyNumbers]

I'm not a sis, but good luck to us then. I must them once even if I have to go abroad. 

 

 

There's no way Dispatch would out Heechul without his consent. That guy has some fucking connections in the industry. If they out anyone, it would be either something agreed upon or artists from a shady lesser-known company unwilling to pay up.

 

Heechul somehow has the entire Korean media industry in the palm of his hand. I mean, Gunhee went on the WGM trip and we saw that they repeated most show things on their own and no on says a word. I honestly thought he would come clean after the military but he seems content in his glass closet. Everyone knows, but he denies it here and there, hangs out with one of his pretty friends and everyone just brushes it off. it is absolutely insane how blind people choose to be. 

 

 

tbh, i don't think dispatch is shady enough to truly ruin someone's life, which is what they'd do by outing anyone who hasn't done their military service yet. until Korea changes policies, the only out idols we get will be older and well established. i'm honestly waiting to see what happens after people like Jo Kwon and Key do their service. 

 

once those people have started paving the way for change, then perhaps we will eventually see a change in the younger generation. 

Edited January 2, 2019 by NickyNumbers

[NickyNumbers]

wow. i haven't seen BTS talked about so much here in a while. so, while it's fresh again, let me throw in my latest opinion.

 

1) i have always been of the opinion that no group can be entirely gay or entirely straight. bts, however, makes me question that statement. i question Bang PD himself and the environment at BigHit and wonder if that plays a role in maybe being more inviting to a person who is LGBT or may be in a questioning stage of their sexuality.

 

2) my opinions on BTS have changed over the almost 4 years i have loved them. 

 

3) i firmly believe that all the members of BTS are aware of the orientations of the others and that they are all supportive of each other and the LGBT community in general, weather or not they're apart of it.

 

Jin: originally, this boy was the gayest thing ever to me. that was so surface level though. now he just strikes me as the awkward boy who wants to fit in. honestly i think he's straight.

 

Suga: for probably the same reasons as everyone else, i firmly believe and always have believed that he is pansexual. i say this, rather than bi, because he honestly comes across to me as someone who really doesn't care what the outer appearance or genitals of his lover looks like. as long as he loves them and they love him, he's gonna be happy. i don't think he leans one way or the other. he's just going to end up with whoever he ends up with and that's that.

 

j-hope: this boy has always confused me, originally i though he was very gay. then i thought he was bi. and lately, i just think he's straight. i think i confuse him as gay sometimes because he's got a VERY dominating personality that probably extends to his bedroom activities, so sometimes, the way he interacts with the others comes off as very sexual, but i don't think there is any real intent behind it.

 

RM: another one that is very confusing to this day. if pressed, i'd say he's bi.

 

Jimin: i used to think this kid was gay, no ifs, ands or buts about it. he's for sure attracted to men. and i've not personally seen anything that screams attraction to women except that odd dynamic with Jeongyeon. i personally would say he's bi but prefers men.

 

V: never really questioned this kid. he's always come across as gay to me. he just has that vibe. the friendship with Bogum is/was suspect. Stigma. a lot of the times he and Jimin come off as gay besties to me. like, they sit around talking about hot boys and stuff, ya know?

 

Jungkook: this kid. my baby bias. our golden maknae. used to be blind and thought he was straight as can be. over the past year or so, i've come to really believe he's gay. his aversion to being called oppa and prefering to be babied. yes, it could be that he likes older women, but i think he's enjoys being taken care of by his hyungs/older men. he comes across with all that charisma and sex appeal on stage but off stage he seems quiet and reserved and softer. the only female he's consistently mentioned is IU. he listens to LGBT artists and male artists in general and seems to admire them in the same way he admires IU, which could mean both can be interpreted as attraction or admiration. he's not dumb and he does have RM, yet he's called his studio and branding the GOLDEN CLOSET. he basically sent Jimin a video love letter set to a Troye Sivan song. if Jungkook ends up straight, i'd honestly be surprised.

 

 

 

As for interband relationships, i really doubt they exist. Like i said, 95ers are totally gay besties. Jungkook's probably crushed on them all because they're who he's around. Taehyung for sure had a crush on j-hope at one point, but i'm sure nothing came of it. i think Suga probably mentors/listens/talks to maknae line and helps them when they feel low/questioning why they are the way they are. 

 

there are a couple of groups that I do believe have had interband sexual/romantic relationships, but no pair in BTS honestly gives me that serious vibe. just crushes and general attraction because if they are attracted to men, then they'd be blind to not at least acknowledge that their fellow members are gorgeous.

Edited January 28, 2019 by NickyNumbers

[NickyNumbers]

SORRY. I don't know why OH always double posts for me!

Edited January 28, 2019 by NickyNumbers

[NickyNumbers]

would you mind if I asked which groups you thought this about? I rarely hear people say this so I'm always interested in thoughts about it.

 

it's simply the classic ones that people then come at me for being a shipper.

 

 

 

but i have been shipping/reading fanfic and also speculating on weather or not people may be LGBT for almost 20 years (i am old, sorry.)

 

i understand the difference between playing it up for the cameras and fanservice versus what may be real attraction.

 

when it comes down to that, i honestly believe that Tao and Sehun were a thing for sure. nothing will ever change my mind on this. i believe Tao leaving broke Sehun for a little bit and i believe that if he hadn't left they'd still be together. Sehun seems happier now and gay as ever. i'm unfortunately not sure what Tao is doing but last i heard he seemed to be retreating into the closet a bit. please correct if i'm wrong.

 

Key and Jonghyun. 

this is a sensitive one of course, but i actually believe they dated twice. once when they were younger. then there was a massive breakup and the awkward years. then i feel like in 2015/2016, they came back together as adults with a new outlook on their relationship and i do believe they were together when he passed. a lot of my conviction from them felt confirmed with Key's reactions. he honestly looked BROKEN. the others looked upset and sad, as they should, and of course there is no proper way to mourn, but Key was different. he had lost a part of himself. and even through the Story of Light releases, he felt like he was still learning to cope and survive where the others seemed to have already reached their closure.

 

 

i believe that something went down between Yunho and Jaejoong but that whole situation is a mess that is so much bigger than the pair of them that it is insignificant. i don't know how to explain these two. it's probably more shipping goggles here, but i have a friend who is a massive cassie, who's told me things about tvxq and these two. i have eyes and i've seen videos. it may have only been a purely sexual relationship between these two but there was something there. 

 

i also believe that there is a real attraction between Vernon and Seungkwan. they've orbited around each other in too many sus ways for years now. now, everyone seems to agree that Seungkwan is gay but so many people believe Vernon is straight and i just don't see it. you have to give the boy bi at the very least. these two have so many predebut things that are interesting. and after debut Vernon seemed to close himself off a little more but not entirely. i really do think that these two have something significant and that they're going to go the distance. they're high school sweethearts who never fell out of love. 

 

 

 

now, there are many other interband couples i ship like Baekhyun/Chanyeol or Taemin and Minho but i don't believe there is anything real there. either i don't believe both parties are LGBT or I don't believe they would actually do anything. that's the difficult part of this whole thread to be honest. everyone tends to come from a place of what they'd LIKE to see. it's hard sometimes to look at things through a different lens, but you have to if you want to see the big picture. 

[NickyNumbers]

Oh, that's interesting. Do you think they're dating or just have a mutual attraction? I also found verkwan sus as they've also been talked about quite a bit in this thread. But, I never had any idea what it was between them. Do you have any receipts for that and generally that lead you to believe they have something?

 

Personally, i believe they're dating, but  ask different people and you'll get differing opinions. i think it's a lot in the way they interact. predebut they were joined at the hip sometimes. classic new relationship. now, there are moments and times they seem together but they also interact/move freely with their peers and group members which to me is a sign of a mature steady relationship.

 

okay. this is a terribly shippy video, but this is them predebut.

things to remember:

1) skinship in Korea is DIFFERENT than in the west, but they seem to engage together more than the other boys. the others will all be standing there and these two are all clingy.

2) in this video, they're probably 14-16 years old. they're babies. this is important to remember because they interact the way you see kids exploring their first relationships do. 

3) they were trainees and constantly on video. they could have been entirely aware of what they were doing and how it would come across.

 

 

 

 

post-debut, it is harder to find things, but that's because Vernon really closed off. that touchy clingy child suddenly wasn't into being touched and hung on all the time, by anyone. it's interesting because Vernon is culturally Korean. he grew up in Korea in a Korean household, yet his mother is American. he still speaks English and was probably exposed to SOME (not necessarily a lot) Western culture. he probably understands how things may appear more than some of the other boys and this may be a factor in why he closed himself off. not likely, but i personally like to see all possibilities. 

 

it's also possible he's just not gay, but i don't think that's likely. i think he's bisexual but in a long-term relationship with Seungkwan. 

[NickyNumbers]

Oh wow! That is REALLY long distance if they're still together. Must be really difficult to be so busy and famous and maintain a relationship like that. I guess having money for plane trips helps.

 

Heechul seems so happy with him.

 

yeah, i'm pretty sure they're still together too. i was looking back the other day and realizing that it seems like they got together like right out of the military (or that's just when they became more obvious) and it's been like SIX years now. i think them being friends when they were younger and then Heechul already having been an idol and being used to jeeting off or not necessarily always around prepared them for it. 

 

Jimin, sweetie~

 

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this is not related to the thread but kinda is. i sometimes think that some of the boys must have international hook-ups, ya know? like, hey, i'm in town, let's get down. be it girl or guy. i think they do. and jimin just gets so flirty. i hope he's getting it on with someone.

 

 

 

Ryeowook- I used to think he might be asexual because he NEVER shows interest in love or what not but now I'm leaning more towards gay. He's extra touchy feel-y wit

 

 

i have never found another person who agrees with me that Ryeowook might be asexual. he's always struck me that way. ALWAYS.

[NickyNumbers]

Why does this remind me of an engagement photo?

 

because it looks like one?

[NickyNumbers]

To be honest, I don't want to talk about these kid's sexual preferences right now. At least I'd rather wait until the members reach legal age

 

 

That's fair, that wasn't sensitive of me. Will edit the post!

 

Just for reference sake, although they seem terribly young. Yeonjun will be 20 this year, Soobin 19 and Beomgyu just turned 18. The maknaes will be 17 this year.

 

So, I definantly agree that Taehyun and Kai don't really need to be discussed here, but the other 3 are above the age of majority.

 

Thank the lord I don't believe in that Jimin will soon be back in the USA, among male TV hosts and interviewers.

 

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I refuse to believe Emma Stone won't be flanked by a few dudes onset somewhere. I am expecting a rich bounty, Jimin, don't let me down. :D

 

Jimin and US Male TV hosts gives me life. I want them to be interviewed by that fine black man presenter again. Such nice vibes there.

[NickyNumbers]

Honestly, I think it's important the situation is represented accurately and not swept under the rug to protect a mod's decision so here are some receipts. If anyone wants to discuss the situation and their concerns with the admins these are probably good sources to have.

 

The original post calling people pedophiles that started the discussion has been deleted but was originally posted around 6 pm EST and wasn't deleted along with the discussion about not sexualizing sexuality.

 

Now note that Pirine responded and deleted posts from around 8:40 to a little after 9 (her last post is around 9:10). During that half hour the post in question was quoted and pointed out to her multiple times. She even responded to a post of me mentioning it and ask her why it was still up yet it remained although she has since deleted that post and her own and i didn't screen cap them at the time.

 

The post? The one the admins are now suggesting was immediately deleted and taken care of? Was posted at 6 pm and was left up until around 10:45 pm EST. That's five hours since posting and two hours after Pirine responded to the thread.

 

It's the post I referenced in my original DM to them and linked. It was only at this point that the post was deleted.

 

 

 

And for good measure here is a cap of their latest response to me (why they didn't post this in the thread as well considering that it directly concerns us and what we can or cannot post I have no idea)

 

Edit: Also please note the irony of them telling me that I might not be aware that people were being called pedophiles when I was one of the people in the thread talking about how fucked up that was, directly referenced it in my original dm (as you can see) and was one of the people that had that implication thrown at. I do not understand them acting like I wasn't there when they can see I was actively responding to those post and Pirine herself but lol ok.

This is all a bit ridiculous. I personally don't care to discuss a minor's love interests but what about those on the fourms and this thread specifically that are between the ages of 13-17? What if they already identifybas LGBT and wish to discuss teenagers their age who may also be? It feels like it's not giving them a space to breathe. This is the 18+ thread, it's the who's gay thread. We're not saying they're off doing it, we're saying they seem to have a preference for other young men of an appropriate age. If you don't want to discuss a particular person, don't. It's just like I'll talk about Bangtan or EXO or SuJu but I know nothing of Monsta X or The Boyz, so I just skip those posts/don't reply.

 

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[NickyNumbers]

Pirine actually deleted at least one post by one user under 18 talking about age and discovering your sexuality so....let that sink in.

 

Like, personally at this point I really only follow Shinee and BTS so all of my biases are well into their 20s but this is taking a hard stance that sexuality = only sex and that it needs to be kept away from minors because it's corrupting.

See, that needs to be addressed. If we want to talk about sexual things, we go to the 18+ thread. How many times has predebut VerKwan (15/16) been used as evidence? It's all sweet, innocent stuff here. Cuddles or looks. Nothing of a sexual nature. LGBT kids need safe spaces. The mods just took that away from them. I may write a letter/pm to them when I get home later. We could point out so many times idols have been discussed underage in a purely non-sexual manner.

 

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[NickyNumbers]

 

I want someone to help me understand, what is this urge some of you have to speak about minors and what they are or what they like? Idols are already looked at as objects, as something to be consumed as an exhibition. Its bad enough adult idols are coveted and sexualized, but we have threads like this that look at and impose labels and concepts about their preferences, about who you think is gay or not. Don't you think that's something these people you are speculating about prefer to keep private or would prefer people not talk about? Its similar to dating scandals, these people want to be left alone, but there you have reporters and cameras following them around, guessing, making assumptions; Which leads to fans online making the same assumptions and creating their own fantasies. Gossip hurts people whether its true or not. In hindsight it may seem inoffensive to speculate, but really think about what it is you are doing in this thread. Threads like this are no different than tabloids. Its not like there is an educated discussion on the nature of homosexuality, what it means, what it is, how its seen, etc. Its just gossip here.

 

Now, obviously this thread has existed for years and it is what it is, we aren't going to delete it or anything. I want that to be very clear. The nature of what goes in here is mostly staying the same. Your typical conversations won't change. I explained my personal opinion on this thread's existence, but I don't impose that onto you. The other staff as well will not impose their ideas onto you. I laid out my opinion so you see it from a different viewpoint. I also understand minors have been spoken about before in this thread and nothing has happened, but its been an issue that has been brought to our attention and we are now formerly addressing it.

 

I'm not going to say something cliche and cheesy like "we have x amount of gay staff here therefore we can't be homophobic" or "x person has gay friends so they can't be homophobes", nonsense like that. We are beyond that point, we have nothing to prove, I won't tell you what my preferences are or somebody else's is. Ive seen a few people demand we get more gay mods or whatever and I just can't help but at such a request. None of you have any idea of who we are or what we like, and frankly we don't need to disclose that. Its our private business. But what I will say is that this idea of homophobia is silly. It also strays from the actual issue at hand, which is discussing minors and their preferences.

 

 

Attaching your own labels, going through mental hoops to prove someone is gay or creating your own fantasies on people who can't even drive or drink yet in most countries in the world, is frankly a bit creepy to most of us (and a number of users as well, hence why I said its been brought to our attention lately) and we simply don't want it. Leave them out of this thread, there are plenty of other people to speculate about. Also the NSFW 18+ area has been discussed to death many many times before, there is no reason to bring up that topic to justify anything going on here.

 

Nobody is talking about sex here, obviously, we understand that. However, as I stated, we simply prefer to have minors be left out of your speculations. There is no reason to have these conversations, leave them alone. They have it hard enough in the world going into the K-Pop industry, they really don't need people guessing if they like x or y gender or anything for that matter. Would any of you like it if grown adults started speculating about your children's preferences? I think most people would agree that's going too far.

 

The OP will have disclaimer that minors should be left out of your speculation. It is now a rule going forward.

 

I'll be closing this thread for a few hours so people can really digest what we are trying to convey. I don't like going around in circles so I pretty much just said what was on my mind based on our consensus. I don't want people just taking apart words and sentences to make an argument without having read everything.

 

"This urge we have to speak about minors" is not held by all, but may be held by those who themselves are minors and want to discuss those who they have crushes on and wonder if they can find representation in their faves. Like, it's not like we're all chomping at the bit to talk about minors only. We're just saying everyone should be able to be speculated upon. It is human nature to be curious and this thread is harmless. One thread in an entire forum in ENGLISH that idols or anyone of importance are unlikely to stumble across.

 

I agree with much of what has been posted. If we can't discuss what minor idols themselves are doing and saying in an innocent context, then any shipping threads or saying minors have het attraction/crushes should also not be allowed.

 

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[NickyNumbers]

And as I told you further already..

 

"Of course ideal type is scripted, but if they're a minor, and they're choosing to say it, the situation is vastly different than if they're a legal consenting adult where statements like that are fair game for dissection."

Then all conversation of a minor Idols ideal type weather gay or straight will be banned right? If NCT Dream Jisung or Renjun is brought up and said that his type matches Itzy Yuna, it will be shut down correct?

 

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[NickyNumbers]

We're done dissecting and discussing the sexuality of minors. Friendships? Sure. Wearing fun clothes together with no, "they must be secret dating? Etc...", Sure. I know users are saying the situation never turned overtly sexual here, so this is too restrictive, but it escalated well beyond the bounds of a normal conversation. A lot of the posts were removed quickly, so perhaps they were missed, but when users started calling one another "pedophiles" it isn't something we take lightly.

 

 

Edit: I removed your post above. I already told you not to put words in our mouths. Using their comment our of context is uncalled for.

And we're saying that we Now understand this. But we're making sure that it applies equally across the board and that is a minor Idols supposedly heterosexual sexuality will not be discussed either.

 

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[NickyNumbers]

So, based on TXT Soobin's (he is an adult btw) spotify playlist, it seems like he is a pop diva and Troye Sivan fan

(please someone screenshot it and post it here, I would be really thankful )

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4qyAAzffVbYd8phHXTxbkb?si=tLb7rluGRyOQM2vDWITWbA

 

Music taste isn't a solid evidence, but we all know that the chances of a 100% cis straight male to have a playlist like this are really low.

 

Beomgyu (also an adult) also has some interesting songs in his playlist (including Kehlani)

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/49OlzFbUhHHHxbRsTDb4qk?si=Gfu54WpRSkatlLa30fqcrw

 

 

that Stigma on Beomgyu's playlist says a lot tbh.

[NickyNumbers]

Endorsed, none of the bisexuals I know irl know what the bi flag looks like. I feel like unless you are interacting with English speaking online LGBT circles you're not really going to know a lot about these identities and their symbols tbh.

I feel like finding "bi colours" on MVs or idols wearing rainbow themed clothing really means nothing, imo, unless they are distinctly sending a message ("love is love" t shirts and the like I guess), and even then it's mostly just their stylists dressing them, so. It's fun to pay attention to that kind of stuff but it really doesn't mean anything most of the time. Just my onion tho.

Thirded!

 

I'm pansexual and aside fromrainbow flags have no idea what color all the special flags are supposed to be to be honest. As some point, things start to feel excessive.

 

In an artist's MV, unless they are outright holding/displaying a flag item in the specific colors I don't think a lot can be inferred.

 

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[NickyNumbers]

2 hours ago, burntgucci said:

How many pages do I have to wait before it's acceptable enough for me to post all the updates on EXO and their boyfriends?

On a serious note, nice to see this thread back again 

i want exo boyfriend updates. i'm not into exo as a whole anymore but it's still cute to know what's going on.

 

also, is it bad that i still think Jungkook is gay, even with this alleged girlfriend rumor? (she looks quite lgbt herself tbh).

 

i have missed this thread SO MUCH. the other forums didn't do a thread like this and i felt like we were pushed aside/forgotten.

[NickyNumbers]

11 hours ago, slightly said:

btw did anyone hear that random rumour of Jimin having a m/m/f threesome in france over the hiatus?

i don't know why, but this rumor sounds like exactly something Jimin would do and enjoy the hell out of. i kinda hope he did but also don't because WHY is there a rumor about it? it would mean either he was very public about it or one of the people he slept with blabbed, which i don't want. but he's a rockstar, let him live that rockstar life. 

to tie it in with this thread though, i totally believe a threesome like this is perfect for Jimin. he's totally a bisexual prince. 

7 hours ago, Latte_Meow said:

what???

Elaborate on this more please??

about JungKook's rumor girlfriend,yeah I dont believe it at all. I dont want to assume but the girl has gay vibe to me. Anw, anyone know about his fansite Headliner and her leaked message from another fansite? She cussed him and the rest of BTS with vicious words. But I think she knew st about him. Like, the words she use to describe him, sounds like typical homophobic to me

 

i haven't seen a couple of those translations. this incident in general i think was very damning for headliner more. i have never particularly been into fansites, but now i will avoid her for sure. i worry though, because when fansites (who are typically saesaengs) fall out of favor, sometimes they might share things that don't need sharing. 

6 hours ago, sxssy said:

i thought that jungkook was gay but now i can't tell anymore O‿O

me with Jungkook ever day, though usually i lean towards mostly gay.

3 hours ago, Marshmallows said:

Before this forum flopped I believed this:

Jungkook:??? 

Taehyung: gay 

Jimin: straight/maybe bi 

Namjoon: Straight

Hoseok: Straight 

Yoongi: Bi 

Seokjin: straight 

 

Now they are: 

Jungkook: Gay. Jungkook was always a question mark to me and there was a time where I brushed him off as straight  but I have seen the light. Jungkook is gay. 

Taehyung: Gay and I don't think I have or will ever question it (unless taehyung says otherwise himself or gets married/a girlfriend). 

Jimin: ??? Kind of. I think he's bi tbh but to me he could be anything and I wouldn't be surprised. 

 

Namjoon: Bi. At first I thought he's just a strong allie but then I started to question why I only thought of him as an allie when he's done and said alot of gay things maybe more than any other member. I think he's not just a supporter but an actual member of the community but I also absolutely believe his attraction to women is genuine so I am going with very bisexual. 

Hoseok: Straight. 

Yoongi: Straight. Idk but for all this time I have thought of him as someone who's bi or pan but nowadays I have my doubts and I am more leaning towards him being just straight. 

Seokjin: Straight. 

 

You can @ me at this if you want it's just my personal opinion. 

 

what made you so firm on Jungkook? i'm curious, because you said you've "seen the light" but i can't think of anything of recent note that would make someone believe.

 

also, Namjoon being bi is an interesting one. i always think he's straight, strong ally and maybe bicurious. i think he'd be very open to being gay if he was but i just don't think he actually FEELS/HAS romantic and/or sexual attraction to men. 

[NickyNumbers]

13 hours ago, slightly said:

I don't know anything more about the threesome rumour, I just saw it alluded to by a few people on allkpop. It seemed a lil mysterious bc it was lowkey and no one was challenging it or freaking out, but if it really did come from a prediction account then yeah those are always total bull.

Regarding Namjoon, I like analysing him through the bisexual lense every so often but I can't shake the feeling that his receipts are just those of a really good ally with strong empathy skills. I think there will sometimes be cases of queer idols being too uncomfortable or at risk with publicly and explicitly associating themselves with queerness, so supportive straight members of the group take on that role for them; to help the cause and maybe increase acceptance in their fandom. So I don't think it's the length of receipt lists that matter

you just put into words exactly how I feel about Namjoon. i could never word it right, but you just did right there. 

17 hours ago, Marshmallows said:

Dunno lots of small things over the time. 

Maybe "seeing the light" wasnt a good way to word it right. 

Also the thing with namjoon I think most people even here believe he's straight but like I said I think namjoon is more than just an ally. If anything he has said and done more "suspicious" things than any other member. 

i feel like you think that i came across as harsh in my questioning. i really didn't mean too. i was just curious as to what really made you think JK was gay, because it took me such a long time to come to a conclusion and i know it does for a lot of people because he reads SO many different ways, so i was wondering what really made you come down on Team Gay. 

[NickyNumbers]

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Key seems very vulnerable and open today. I hope he's doing okay. I, too, am interested in seeing how he chooses to be after military service. I think some of his choices honestly depend on what he thinks Jonghyun may have wanted. Real or not, those two are irrrvocably tied together in people's minds and if Key chooses to be open or say something, it will affect how people view Jonghyun.

 

If Yunho or Jaejoong were to come out/be open, no matter their relationship or current feelings toward each other, i am 100% that they would consilt the other first, because it would effect the other. Key no longer has the option to consult this person he's tied to and it's tragic but I think it affect him and his decisions. 

 

Although, he does seem to be making them and if the IG translation is correct, he's making pretty bold statements that somehow don't seem to read platonically.