Which male idols do you think are gay?

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Originally he posted it with a heart eyes emoji.

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I can't tell what he's trying to accomplish here honestly. What's the point in the IG story with that photo? It's either baiting shippers (wouldn't be the first time he did it) or outing him and Jungkook which seems a bit unfair for Jungkook (but again, I don't think they're a thing, I'm just trying to understand what's going on here).

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3 minutes ago, Josaline said:

I think he probably just wanted to use the shippers to divert attention from his previous post.

But logically people are blowing up the story precisely because he posted it after the LC post and deleted both. Apparently he's posted that photo several times before but only now people realized Jungkook is in the photo. If he wanted to divert attention from the post he could have just posted his face without the photo. If he really is baiting shippers then it's kinda messed up imo.

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Well, yeah, I know, I mentioned that. But it's precisely because he posted it in a story right after the Leslie Cheung post that people started pointing out that Jungkook is in the photo and seeing it as a hint of something, especially since it was coupled with a love song in the background. I really don't understand what he was trying to say with that story.

Edited January 20, 2022 by miwa201

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12 hours ago, OptimusPremier said:

 

Also that's not jungkook in the pic : it's a pic of an unknown man that he took in Malta during BV (there's footage of him taking it, when he went fishing with hobi). He seems to love this picture, maybe because he's proud of it as a photographer and it holds an artistic meaning for him (a man paddling alone in the sea, it can have lots of philosophical meanings).

 

People weren't saying Jungkook is the guy on the paddle, but he's in the photo swimming towards the guy. I think it's just that lately taekook shippers have been acting like larries (although I sincerely hope no kpop shippers get as bad as larries, they're all over Louis' tweet where he wishes happy birthday to his son calling that kid a stunt).

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46 minutes ago, Eremit said:

not just lately, they've been on that level for years. The only reason they aren't doing Larry level shit is cause the members aren't dating publicly yet. Jikookers are the same too, always with the conspiracy theories.

I get what you mean, I just felt that ever since BTS got individual instagrams they've gotten worse. And frankly it doesn't surprise me seeing any ship between kpop idols become like larry since they rely on fan service/queerbaiting a lot (and ofc BTS would have it the worst since they're the biggest kpop group in the world, and some of their fans are ex-directioners). But seeing what larries are saying about a 6 year old child makes me sick. I don't think any of this comes from a good point, like supporting LGBTQ people or from LGBTQ people themselves. It's turned into something completely different.

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2 hours ago, OptimusPremier said:

On the Namjoon bf thing:

- fans don't know to stay in their lane...

- like before, I have doubts and I don't really side one way or another yet. There is interesting potential in the bf material but NJ pings me as a straight ally (I've said it before, but mostly because his LGBT-friendly comments all sound too politically correct and neutral, like the subject isn't personal to him).

 

This is a good point. I don't know if it's because he's the leader so he has to be on his toes all the time, but I thought it was quite telling to see the difference between how he and Yoongi responded when they were asked about LGBTQ people in an English interview a while ago.

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17 minutes ago, thegirlsrfighting said:

those are taekookers trying to cope with their delusions being crushed lmfao, it was taken this month as was the guy’s story

I don't know what's funnier, taekookers pretending not to freak out whenever Taehyung is around another man or jikookers latching to those interactions. Happened with Choi Wooshik too the other day. Meanwhile Jungkook is just minding his business posting his dogs.

I don't know if I'm remembering wrong but I feel like people discussed Park Hyoshin in this thread back when it was more active. 

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1 hour ago, thegirlsrfighting said:

twitter armys and shippers are very delusional. you will see them looking past the one clearly gay or bisexual member [mr inner child tete] but they’ll call every other member gay for the smallest things. jungkook is obviously probably straight. taekookers latch off of taehyung’s gay shit that isn’t fanservice everytime to try and prove taekook is real when it really means taehyung is probably dating an old man right now. jungkook never does anything like taehyung does, he rarely engages in anything like this outside of the group.

I also think Jungkook is straight but the thing is simply that shippers don't technically care about their sexualities. They just want them to be together period. It's essentially a fantasy, or a fanfic that's come to life. Lbr a lot of them are straight women so it's not genuine support. I recently stumbled upon a tumblr where they listed out a taekook timeline (talk about being jobless) which essentially said that Taehyung and Jungkook have been dating since 2015. You expect me really to believe that these young men (Jungkook isn't even 25 yet) have been in a long term relationship for six years now? Lmao. Lately they're all emphasizing Jungkook's "dainty" mannerisms which is exactly what they did to Taehyung before he had an image change in 2020. It's all really performative.

Popularity affects these kind of talks and it always will. People like RM who are at the bottom are able to skate by bc they don't have these kind of obsessive fans. It's the same everywhere. If Taeil was doing half the shit Taeyong does would he be discussed as much in this thread? Probably not.

Edited January 30, 2022 by miwa201

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6 minutes ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

psst *whispers* shipper here. i dont think it's fair to make blanket statements about all shippers being delusional straight teenage girls (there's also nothing wrong with being a straight teenage girl that ships idols). a large chunk of the shipping community imo knows how to separate fiction from reality, and keep their shipping contained to fanfics or online communities (forums, twitter, etc). of course, you have a vocal subset that are genuinely delusional and will bring their delusions to the idols themselves at fansigns, on social media, etc (which is where i draw the line and agree that they should face retribution) but that doesnt represent all shippers. the reason why a lot of people ship couples is because they're compensating for representation that they never had by reading a romance into celebrities or characters. there's no shortage of straight media, but a lot of the times, women characters are portrayed in misogynistic or sexist ways. queer people of course also dont have many couples to look to, so we find ourselves drawn to subtle interactions and subtext, and reimagine relationships into ones we would like to see (or imagine ourselves in). as a gay asian kid that grew up on fandom culture and fanfics, i fell in this category too. even as a 20-something year old now, i still engage in shipping such as by writing fics while of course, being able to separate reality and fiction. if anything, im actually quite cynical of a lot of the idols in this thread that have been speculated to be gay. 

that being said, i do agree that there are A LOT of problematic "shippers" (armys on stan twt seem more numerous, but its simply because there are more armys overall) that whether intentionally or not, spread harmful stereotypes about the gay community and may even harrass the idols themselves with their own narratives. this obviously is wrong. but as long as they keep it amongst themselves within the community, i dont really see a problem with it. many of these fans are young and will grow out of it in time. many are learning about relationships for the first time, and i think it's actually a lot safer and healthier to do it in this way than to experience potentially dangerous and traumatic things irl. 

I didn't say "all" I said "a lot" (and I never mentioned teenagers, I just said women). Of course it's a generalization, but that's just my experience with what I've seen. I do want to exclude lgbtq people from my argument, but I also do think that being lgbtq and being a shipper doesn't mean you're free from faults. If it's really about representation why is it that bisexual women or lesbians seem to be more attracted to shipping male idols instead of female idols? I've seen people bring up that it's because women are sexualized but I don't really get the argument here. I'm not trying to police anyone, I just don't particularly understand it. Shipping will never go away (especially not in kpop) but I will never understand shipping real people because it seems easier and safer to do that with characters since it's all fake and there's no way to disappoint yourself bc if you do get disappointed you might latch onto conspiracy theories (see larries) or lash out at the people involved (and I feel the same about straight rpf ships too, Tomdaya shippers were incredibly annoying and weird during that period when Zendaya and Tom weren't dating). 

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Honestly GD had the randomest dating scandals that I do believe he's into women.

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1 hour ago, .peach. said:

What's interesting to me when it comes to clothes/shoes/jewelry being used as a sign of... anything:

• if it shows support to a group of people, if the money goes for a good cause, etc - the idol bought it, he's totally informed about it
• if it's showing something insensitive, vulgar, rude - the stylists choose it, idol doesn't understand the meaning.

So I don't really take any of the clothes receipts serious (even as a sign of support) unless it's something obvious like in case of BM,  Byeonkwan, etc. Fans can't just decide in which case the idol personally went to a site, investigated the cause and everything, and then bought it with a purpose, or if they just took random pretty shoes a stylist gave them. 

Like, I bet if Joon wore "kill the squirrels" on a t-shirt in one of his ig photos, everyone would attack the stylist because "he must have misunderstood the meaning/didn't read it/forgot english right? right?"

Sorry for the stupid example, but tell me that's not how it would be

That it is a good point but it also depends. Sometimes it's easy to tell when an idol is styled (magazines, concerts, official appearances) and when they're not (usually I'd put airport fashion in the first category, but I think it's not so black and white anymore, like for example when BTS went to the US a couple of months ago they all wore Louis Vuitton bc they're the ambassadors, but when they came back to Korea after the concerts in December, when they were already on a break, they were clearly wearing their own clothes). With Yoongi I think you could make an argument he bought those shoes himself (but at the same time sometimes a rainbow is just a rainbow, since we look at it as a gay symbol from a western point of view, while in Korea it's not the first thing that comes to one's mind, much like the closet metaphor). But remember a couple of years ago when people talked about Jin wearing a sweater with radical feminist written on it? He wore that on a BTS Run episode iirc. He clearly didn't pick that himself.

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lol then how else are we supposed to interpret stuff like this (spoiler bc I don't know how to resize):

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He's full of it lol.

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14 hours ago, joonsoulie said:

It's up to you how much of what he does is 'fanservice' and him lying but I didn't see it as a denial of that so much as him reasserting that he is genuinely affectionate with his friends in that way. It could be he's tired of his every action being interpreted as "fake" rather than how he normally acts with people he cares about. Especially when you take in the fact that so much of the hate he recieves online is from jealous shippers which he is undoubtedly conscious of.

Has Jimin given any indication that he's aware of the hate he gets from shippers? I'm going to presume the majority of the people commenting here don't speak Korean or at least don't frequent Korean fandom spaces. Because when you say he gets hate from shippers I think you mean from international fans, and I highly doubt Jimin is aware of any of that. He isn't fluent in English anyway. From what I can tell Korean shippers don't break the fourth wall like international shippers do.

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1 hour ago, dododododododo said:

The comments on any given idol group’s vlive say otherwise lol 

I mean the ones I've seen were primarily in English or in broken Korean but maybe I have the wrong picture of Korean shippers. 

To @joonsoulieif they barely interact with English comments on Vlive, even the most harmless ones, beyond the most basic stuff, what makes you think he'd actually search for his name in English or even understand what taekook shippers are saying about him? It just seems like a stretch to me. Although I did forget he has hate blogs in Korea, but from what I remember those hate blogs are mostly about his singing skills.

Edited March 11, 2022 by miwa201

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3 hours ago, chargerdine said:

Jimin out on white day with BL actor Lee Saeon and jungkook. Now this is “friendship” I would be suspicious about . And what’s marked out in the pic 

 

 

What's marked out in the pic looks like a watermark (maybe a twitter username). Same person who put the sticker on the other guy bc it's probably a jikook shipper. I'd find it more interesting that they hung out together on White Day if it was just the two of them, but seeing as it's (at least) three people I don't see why it's a big deal.

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2 hours ago, starry_night said:

no, it was first posted on naver by an army nonshipper. then a bunch of bts antis started to post it to gain attention on twitter. next, a bunch of jikookers posted it to get clout. 

I know, but it still looks like a watermark. I still fail to see what's interesting about a bunch of guys (apparently it wasn't just the three of them) hanging out together. If anything it looks like Jimin and that BL guy went to Jeju together and that sounds more interesting than Jungkook being there.

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51 minutes ago, starry_night said:

Incorrect, Jimin went with a group of guys to Jeju, but the bl guy was the only non idol. And it's really not interesting at all? This is what I was talking about earlier. People deny bigger ships suspicious moments, but completely blow small ships moments out of proportion to seem woke.

Like I said, if it was just Jungkook and Jimin together I'd get it. But seeing that it's a group of people together I fail to see what's so suspicious here and no I'm not being woke lmao, you're saying that if you were in a relationship you'd go out with your boyfriend and his friends on White Day? That makes no sense to me. Jungkook and Jimin have always been close and this isn't even the first time they've been spotted out with friends together.

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14 minutes ago, LostChild said:

On another note, Park Bogum has always been a controversial topic but imo, despite his cult involvement and problematic views, there is still something suspicious in his relationship with either SJK or V. There was in fact a reddit convo posted here many years ago where someone claimed to have met Park Bogum in a gay bar while he was alongside his boyfriend. To take with a grain of salt ofc but it remains one of the most believable rumors shared in this thread. I remembered this well since it was as part of a discussion of his then popular ship with Irene.

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I 100% believe that Reddit comment. I wonder if it was SJK or V or maybe even someone new.

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5 hours ago, starry_night said:

Of course you don't get it lol, it's South Korean culture. Just go to any bts korean forum and all the Koreans, non-shippers and y/ns too, are putting emphasis on white day. It is very suspect. 

lol I don't need to be educated on South Korean culture, thank you. I've only seen shippers make this into a big deal (and by that I mean jikook and taekook shippers). Everyone else doesn't care. And by Korean forums I really hope you don't mean DC Gallery bc lol.

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Total of 21 thinking reactions in this page alone lmao.

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22 hours ago, Josaline said:

^ Korean men really like to admire the bodies of more built and muscular men. BTS members react in the same way not only to others, but also to JK and RM, who are the most muscular in the group, expressing admiration for their bodies and constantly touching their muscles. Indeed, I think culture has an effect on these reactions.

It's the same as something we talked about before in the thread, how members of the same group will openly fawn over the looks of other members, often the official visuals. BTS members constantly talk about how handsome Taehyung is and shippers use that kind of stuff as proof their ship is real but you can find tons of similar examples in other groups.

Tbh I've always thought the Yoongi radio thing was exaggerated but didn't want to mention it bc I'd get downvoted. But yeah he clearly talks about what he thinks an ideal man should look like, not what he looks for in a man as a romantic interest. Especially when you consider the fact that he doesn't think he's handsome.

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I'm sorry but what kind of straight man gets that excited to meet Lady Gaga...

Kidding but I can't at people still talking about the Olivia thing. Clearly next time someone should hold a sign saying it's scripted since people are being oblivious.

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2 hours ago, SingulariV said:

It's even more ridiculous to say that it's the LGBT+ thing given attention, when this 'straight' interaction trended so much and how it's been referenced in every single media outlet covering BTS at the Grammys. The most common response to anything LGBT+ and not a popular shippy is jokes or erasure. 

What interest me is, whether BH put Tae in that role instead of anyone else because of his acting skill (straight-forward reason) or because it's an effective way of giving him a 'straight image' for the general public (delulu reason).

Edit: Just to be clear I think Tae is LGBT+ and I'm speaking about this as a 'closeting' thing, not as 'straight proof'. But I could be overthinking it. 

Edit 2: BH defs got to be media-savvy enough to know this would define the narrative about Taehyung for anyone who's not tuned into LGBT+ Army chatter. 

 

Yeah I think Jungkook would have probably fit better bc: 1) he's the youngest and has the smallest age gap with Olivia, 2) he also has a baby face and 3) not only did Taehyung looked older than usual at the Grammys (bad makeup? idk) but he looked a lot older than her. But Jungkook was already starting the performance. I think they chose Taehyung bc of his acting experience and because he's the most popular member at the moment, if we look at their instagram followers.

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PR relationships don't work in Korea, especially when it involves idols. People in this thread are a bit too guilty of using their western/Hollywood lens when looking at Korean things (see the whole rainbow/closet debate).