Which male idols do you think are gay?

[NickyNumbers]

Does anybody in Korea actually think they're gay though? I can't see Korea reacting to them hanging out as anything other than "wow they're friends cool". I really don't see them jumping to them dating and being gay

 

Really, I think people that would see that possibility are those that already think they might be gay/ or dating. Cause I don't follow either and my mind wouldn't go to "they're dating" from those pictures. Most of Korea doesn't follow that closely either

 

my mind wold not have jumped immeadiately to "they're dating" either if these two didn't have a bit of a history. they've hung out multiple times and Tae's behavior is that of someone absolutely smitten around Bogum. 

 

however, i have always been very on the fence about Tae's sexuality. at some point i've considered him straight, bi or gay, never really being able to land firmly on one because he knows how to play things up for the camera. however, these pictures seem very lovey for some reason to me and make me lean back towards the higher half of the kinsey scale for Tae.

 

there is something here between these two but i don't know what exactly.

 

 

i heard that the best way to keep a secret is to tell everyone about it, but to act as if you're joking 

i think it's better to post about it, because keeping it secret would make it more suspicious, no? i mean they're walking around the town together so i'm sure someone would recognize them and talk about it/take a picture. if they just post it openly it seems like it's not a big deal and people won't think that they're hiding something

 

EXACTLY. this is the method Heechul has been using for 3 YEARS now with Gunhee and people still believe they're "just friends"

[NickyNumbers]

Okay, i will repost my old BTS analysis. 

 

Which members of BTS do i think are gay?

 

BI (Suga)

BTS Suga was asked by Japanese magazine Oricon Style: "What do you notice first when you look at girls?" Suga answered: "I focus on personality and atmosphere. I don’t have an ideal type and my view of an ideal type is not restricted to only the opposite gender." There are a lot of fans that analyzed the translation from Japanese to Korean to English..... all of the analysis i read said the translation is correct.

 

Suga admited that he does not restrict himself to only the opposite gender.... that means there are only 2 possible answers.... 1) he is bi and bluntly honest   2) he is gay and couldnt say it too directly so he described it in a more diplomatic way ("not just girls") but in reality he would love to say "but only boys." 

 

I will go with bisexual.   Somehow, i feel it fits his attitude and personality. (as much as i can tell from what i see of him).

 

 

STRAIGHT: RapMon, J-Hope, Tae, Jungkook, Jin

Okay, i will explain why. First of all, i think its unlikely that more than 2 of 7 members are gay / bi.

BUT ALSO.....

RAPMON = gives simple short "straight-forward" answers about sexuality, very sure of himself and his sexuality, he shows little interest in gay fanservice with other members. no hints. i go with straight.

J-HOPE = very easygoing guy, he has no problem with gay fanservice because J-Hope is a playful open-minded guy who is not afraid of skinship or roleplaying. At the same time, all his gay fanservice doesnt seem to mean much to him. Its just playing a gay game. He is showing excitement but its more harmless playful excitement. Even when he does girl group dances its more like playing a girl than actually feeling like a girl. i think he is straight but he is also open-minded and happy for people who are bi / gay.

TAE = He is a mystery but when they had the female girls in the USA Rap Video, he was the one who was most excited about them. i think he loves skinship... he also loves skinship with other members... even the infamous video when he sleeps with Jungkook. Tae is just like a pet that wants to cuddle and lick all the time. He is showing A LOT of affection but also to girls. If you watch when he talks to girls, he is nervous. He is not really nervous when he gives gay fanservice. If You compare how he talks to boys and how he talks to girls... he seems to be more emotional with girls. I am not sure... maybe he is bi.... but i go with straight.

JUNGKOOK = Jungkook is obviously a Perfectionist. He wants to be the Best in everything... this is why he trained himself in any idol skill... he is great at singing / dancing / girl group dancing / speed dancing / voice imitation / cuteness / sports.... the list goes on and on and on..... i would love to think that Kookie is gay but i see the same professionalism and perfection in the way he does fanservice. He is not so much emotionally involved (not nervous) but he is working hard to show the most entertaiing fanservice that he can. straight (for now, lets talk again in 2 years.)

JIN = i never doubted that Jin is straight. i never seen anything suspicious, so this is an easy choice..... straight until prooven otherwise.

 

 

GAY: Jimin

At first, i thought its just because he is my bias. The more you watch this boy, the more you realize that he is obsessed with gay fanservice and he is obsessed with skinship with men. He is so much happier when he is involved with boys or members. The biggest clue is that he always INITIATES gay fanservice HIMSELF.... its always Jimin who brings it up .... Jimin is suddenly doing it to Kookie in the strangest moments where there is no atmosphere for gay fanservice... and it seems like an emtional impulse... looking at Jungkook and suddenly have these love feelings.... he makes it look like fanservice afterwards but its really really supersuspicious....

 

out of the blue.... Jimins sudden gay fanserivce....

 

Jimin grabs Kookie's crotch... look, it can happen to a straight guy... but stuff like this happens to Jimin ALL THE TIME. Also, its not happening in a moment where you would give gay fanservice (come on, they are on stage, having a speech) so there is no way this is meant as gay fanservice. And Jimin is doing it again and again, this cannot be coincidence, imo.

 

You can find 100 moments when Jimin suddenly without warning or reason initiates skinship with Kookie.

And why is skinship so focused on Kookie ? When Jimin does gay fanservice with J-Hope its more talking like gay lovers or funny gay acting. With Kookie, Jimin always has these hearts in his eyes, and is so mesmerized by Kookie... so emotionally involved... and so touchy. He is so eager to touch, this cannot just be a straight guy doing fanservice, imo.

 

 

Thats my opinion. THANKS FOR READING !!

 

 

i think BTS is a group that inspires a lot of debate.

 

i agree with you about Suga, Jungkook, Jin, Rap Monster and Jimin

 

however, I strongly lean towards Tae being bisexual at the very least if not just gay. for example, how do you interpret his interactions with Bogum? i also wanted to say that his confidence with the girls in BIL LA is what leads me to lean more towards gay. i find personally that gay men more easily interact with girls at that age simply because they're not interested in them. Kookie (although his age was surely a factor) seemed to react more like i'd expect a straight boy to react in the face of pretty women he doesn't know. he was a nervous nelly and all giggles.

Jhope gives me the most confusion. He comes off to me at times as very gay.

 

I understand that in a group of 7, more than 2 queer folks seems excessive, but the entertainment sector has a knack for drawing in those of LGBT status and it's not cut and dry for every group. while there may be some groups out there that seem to lack any LGBT members, other groups may have more. each group isn't given an allotment.

Edited April 19, 2017 by NickyNumbers

[NickyNumbers]

to stay relevant, now that the King is back do you think he'll act any differently than he did before the military.

 

i have always thought Yunho was gay but like many others, if he were to ever actually confirm it would have ramifications on other celebs.

 

however, what do ya'll think he might do. he's in his 30s. has he ever said anything about marriage.

 

omg. i'm rambling but i really am curious about him and i've never delved too deep. however, i have exhausted all the thoughts i can have on BTS and *i'd like someone new to consider.

 

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[NickyNumbers]

You guys...

 

 

And the caption:

"매ì¼ë§¤ì¼ì´ '화양연화(花樣年è¯)' 같기를.

May our everyday be the most beautiful moment in life."

 

everything in this video screams "young and in love"

the timestamp. the moments where they're obviously being filmed by the other and when they turn to the camera they get that silly smile. the music. the whole general feel where they were just enjoying their time together and not bothered about anyone else in the world. it was like a secret escape that we probably never would have known about if not for the fans and maybe it should have stayed that way. 

betcha anything there are a couple more hours of footage and hundreds of photos on their phones that will never see the light day and that's the way it should be. those little things you look back at and just get lost in for a few moments when times are hard. those exist for them and that makes me really happy.

 

Ok, I'm officially sold. They're cute. 

 

 

I read here that Bogum is from a "traditional" family so the likelihood of him being open about his sexuality is slim to none. True? :( That doesn't bode well for them if they are together though.

 

 

 

 

Apparently he's a devout Christian. That's why I have my doubts about this lol But they're still cute together (and suspicious)

 

 

i don't know much about Bogum but i have heard quite often that he's religious. that does not exclude him from happily having a homosexual love life. yes, it does make it more difficult and a much more momumental seeming decision for him but it doesn't make it impossible. with the way he and Tae act/come across, i would say he's definantly gotten to a point of being comfortable in his sexuality. while that may not translate to the long term (maybe he'll end up married to a woman), at least for now he seems fine in a relationship with another male.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so, at this point Tae and Bogum have officially made it onto my short list of couples i believe have a definite possibility of being real. they're still quite young (23/22 internationally, and 24/23 korean). many couples do get together and stay together from so young an age but they also have the pressures of their society and the business, but who knows? it's already seemingly been two years.

i will definantely be keeping an eye on these two.

[NickyNumbers]

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seungkwan recommended adam lambert's "outlaws of love" on instagram~

 

don't know if we knows the meaning though

 

 

would love to hear him sing this  

 

 

i wanted to talk about this while OH was down. like, Adam is famously gay. everyone knows and if you don't you're living under a rock. also, i feel like he must have looked up some kind of meaning. i feel like it's natural to see what a song means when you listen to it. he's got to have a jist. like, out of all the songs he could reccomend, that's the one he chooses? ok, boo, i see you.

 

How...brotherly

 

Jokes aside...I'm one of those people who thinks Jungkook is straight but then shit like this happens and I get confused. This is not the first time Jikook have stared into each other's eyes for no reason at all. They only looked away when Taehyung said something.

JK and Jimin usually have this whole flirty/teasing vibe going on and idk what to think.

this moment has been throwing me so hard. those big eyes just staring at jimin and they're rather close too.

 

i firmly believe in Jungkook as straight too. he comes off as a bit of a player to me sometimes to be honest and then stuff like this and i'm just like, "wha--?"

[NickyNumbers]

I really agree with this. Another interesting thing is how many male fans they have (as Bang PD pointed out, one of their prides), so he's definitely seeing that boys are an option, you know? We all saw that thing where a boy asked him out at a fansign and he said yes. He's mentioned fan boys a few other times and always seems kinda shy, but in a happy way. 

 

I recently got into BTS.

Jungkook is only 19 y/o, though. So he debuted at 15, and it's not like he's been living a regular teenager's life. Non-straight hyungs, gay-lines in the Kpop biz, make-up, fanservice etc. etc.

I think the case is, he may still be in his questioning  (and, who knows, experimenting) phase.

 

How would anyone know if he may not fully know himself, yet?

 

Not all people have their sexual identity figured out and firmly set in their teens. 

 

i agree with both of you.

 

i spent YEARS trying to figure out what exactly i like before firmly landing on lesbian at 24 and then promptly realizing it was def more the pan side of things by 25. sexuality can be a very fluid thing your whole life and Jungkook is def still in the beginning stages.

 

also, he's been exposed it seems to a very open school of thought in his hyungs and i think that's probably shaping his world view and ideas on his own sexuality and lgbtq issues in general.

[NickyNumbers]

No offence but the whole Bogum/Taehyung thing feels like fanservice to me.

 

i would agree with you if they were in the same group/movie/show, but they're not.

 

they have to make an actual effort to hang out and spend time together. and there's no backstory that exists for a pair like TaeKai that could lend it the element of fanservice by playing up the friendship. they're not even in the same company.

 

while we may be looking into it a little much, i think the friendship and everything is def genuine and not put on at all.

[NickyNumbers]

I agree. Plus fan service is usually done to make people susceptible to fan service (usually fangirls) buy the product the people involved are selling. Idols within the same group do fan service because that's what fans want and what pushes them to buy albums and merchandise, look at fan signs for example. The questions BTS gets at fan signs are roughly 70/80% about shipping, and the members indulge the fans by answering these questions (as well as fan service based between the member and the fan, members saying they won't get married in a 1000 years or they don't plan on dating is also another form of fan service).

 

Taehyung and Bogum are not in a project together. I'd say actors doing a drama together may also do fan service (but not on the same level as idols) but why would Taehyung and Bogum do that? The only other plausible explanation would be Taehyung latching on Bogum's relevance (Bogum is much more relevant than Taehyung as an individual in Korea) but I doubt it. I think they share those photos for no ulterior motive.

 

i think they share the photos to make their activities seem less suspicious if people are to be believed and they've only posted about outings after fans have spread the word that they went on one. there may even be outings they haven't shared because they weren't caught and didn't want to share it.

[NickyNumbers]

are the people on this thread actually LGBTQ?

 

i'm pansexual and have noticed most people in this thread do actually tend to be lgbtqia.

are the people on this thread actually LGBTQ?

 

i'm pansexual and have noticed most people in this thread do actually tend to be lgbtqia.

[NickyNumbers]

Is this Eunwoo? He looks so gay.

 

He looks gay but he honestly just comes off as a very pretty boy to me. not gay.

[NickyNumbers]

I just spent about three weeks going through this entire thread...true dedication.

 

There are a lot of idols I think are gay, but I would place money on Jo Kwon, Heechul, Jimin, Key, and Jonghyun (if he is bi he definitely has a preference towards men).

JImin is always confusing for me. Give me some reasons why please?

[NickyNumbers]

okay. i am about to get all the negs but that's okay.

 

i figured out why Jungkook is so goddamn confusing.

 

like, i can never figure out if the boy is straight or gay or whatever.

 

i think what it is is that V and Jimin are most likely gay/bi (possibly a couple in hyung line too but for the purposes of my reasoning, only those two matter right now). i think anyone in Bangtan who is lgbt is probably comfortable/open about it within the group. as a whole, there is no denying that they are at least supportive of the lgbt community.

 

anyhow, jungkook knows this and he knows skinship and fanservice are a thing. he's grown up in this industry. he's not dumb.

 

so, i think he maybe tries little flirty things or moves or stuff in general as like "practice" to use on whoever he may actually be interested in the future.

 

i do not think that this rules out him being gay/bi, but at this point i wouldn't be surprised if he were still curious/questioning. also, we always have to remember Korea has different standards in the kpop industry for what is considered okay between two guy friends. so like i said, i think he's using this to his advantage.

 

okay, i sound crazy now.

 

it's just BTS is so confusing and aside from being firmly in the Suga is bi/pan camp and believeing with all my heart in VGum, i can never pin any of these boys down in a definite way and it makes me sad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also, super random. someone brought up Vernon and him being straight. i honestly think he's bi. the more i look at it, the more it seems that way. i also believe that him and Seungkwan were a thing at one point in time but may possibly not be anymore. the interview brought up talking about Seungkwan's skinship habits was not only awks as hell for Seungkwan but also Vernon in a way that you could tell this boy did not want to talk about it. Vernon may feel more Korean and be that more culturally, but i'm sure he's been exposed to some more Western ideas and i think he's very aware of how things can come off and became much more guarded after debut. i don't think we should be so quick to write him off as straight. 

[NickyNumbers]

That's interesting. Well, he definitely does some fanservice on purpose like all idols do, maybe he does it also for "practice".

 

I personally think that he behaves with Bangtan the way he behaves just because he really-really close with them. He is still shy in front of people he doesn't know much no matter is it man or woman (but with women it's worse of course), that is just his personality, members mentioned it multiple times and Jungkook himself said it in some recent interview or show. That is not so visible now cause he learned how to put on "poker face" (that's how RapMon called it) and play a cool guy. I am not talking about "Kookie is afraid of women", he is not afraid, not at all (it's shown in some of their Bombs in the backgrownd he is very touchy and playfull with BH female staff), but yeah in front of beautiful sexy female idols or actresses, especially noonas, he is in his cool-not-interested mode. In interview very much depends on interviewer: if woman is funny and playfull then Kookie behave more freely, if she is too serious or like "snow queen" then he is the most quiet one. Also as an idol, a part of crazy super popular maknae-line and a very responsible and carring about BTS person he cannot allowed himself to do much with females on public, but I noticed that lately he sometimes seek for bows with some gg idols, not that it proves or shows something, of course.

 

When it comes to Bangtan.. They literally raised him, they are his second family and first friends, they saw the best and the worst in him, he adjusts to himself their behavior and habits a lot from sounds to gestures. They, and especially rapline, are his role models. Despite of all evil maknae image he loves and adores them genuinely and respects them til death. I don't see anything in his eyes when he's looking at members, except for pure adoration, respect and pride for them (or shame when it comes to Jin LOL) and for being in the same team with them; really nothing comparable to what I see in V's eyes when he looks on Hobi or Bogum or in Jimin's eyes when he looks on JK, Tony, Taemin, J-Hope and etc..

 

I actually think that he was questioning his sexuality some period of time, which from my perspective was caused by all the mess in VHope relationship, cause timing of his strange behaviour and timing of that mess was kinda the same, and this is very reasonable if one of his closest friends anounced that he is gay (if that is what happened, of course). I mean, he started that "push and pull" staff with Jimin (before he was just accepting part of a ship, and at that time he started to react but in a strange way), in Japanese interview he was not againts the idea to kiss J-Hope but 6 months later on Weekly Idol he was freaking out about a peck upon a cheak with the same J-Hope, he also kinda backed away from interactions with "gay" 97z BamBam and Mingyu (I noticed it on their previouse, not last one, ISACs and on fancams from some shows, there is difference on how he interacted with Yugeum and those two), his fanservice looked a little bit strange and kinda experimental (if that is a correct word to describe).. But Imo he figured out everything about himself somewhere around him becoming an adult and his graduation, and I personally think he figured out that he is straight. He is so confident now, there nothing strange, not tension at all between him and BamBam or Mingyu, he is so relaxed, he just enjoy himself and his fanservice also is very relaxed now, he just do his thing when he wants to or needs too. I also think that he chose to ship himself with Hobi because they both are straight, and cause from the shippable members (J-Hope, Jimin, Jin, V) Hoseok is a straight one and from the mostly straight members (rapline) he is a shippable one, so fanservice with him would be very comfortable and joyful and not look too "gay" like every ship with Jimin or V.

 

That is, of course, just my opinion, nobody knows anything except themselves) I love Bangtan and their interactions, they are so interesting, but the one who really confuse me is Jin, I cannot decide is he gay or he likes women which makes him bi.

 

Sorry for my English.

 

you bring up some great points and really put into better words what i was trying to say.

 

he's certainly gotten much more confident in himself in the last year/6 months, but yeah, i think he used his hyungs to expieriment and maybe now he doesn't like it so much either because he is straight and doesn't want to lead them on or he doesn't want to engage too much because now he knows what he likes.

 

in regards to how he interacts with women, i find it difficult to assess. he's comfortable with bangtan staff because they're always around. he strikes me as very much the type of person who needs to get to know someone before he is going to let them into his personal bubble. as confident as he is, he's also kinda very aloof. 

[NickyNumbers]

The new collaboration between V & Rapmon seems to be refering to the movie Moonlight.

 

Full lyrics under cut:

 

 

 

 

One day,

I wrote a long, long letter to the moon

It would not be brighter than you 

But I lighted a small candle

 

At a dusky park

A nameless bird that sings 

Where are you 

Oh you

 

Why are you crying

You and I are the only ones here

Me and you

Oh you

 

Following into the deep night

The sound of you singing

Brings the red morning

A step, and another step

 

The dawn passes

And when that moon falls asleep

The blue shade that stayed with me disappears

 

Even today, I live moderately

I walk in pace, moderately wearing down 

The sun suffocates me

And the world strips me naked

I can't help it, there's no other way

I collect myself that's shattered beneath the moonlight

I call you moonchild

We are the children of the moon

I breathe the cold night air

Yes we're livin and dyin

at the same time

But you can open your eyes for now

Just like that any movie, like the line (from the movie)

The entire world is blue inside the moonlight

 

At a dusky park

A nameless bird that sings 

Where are you 

Oh you

 

Why are you crying

You and I are the only ones here

Me and you

Oh you

 

Following into the deep night

The sound of you singing

Brings the red morning

A step, and another step

 

The dawn passes

And when that moon falls asleep

The blue shade that stayed with me disappears

Following into the deep night

The sound of you singing

Brings the red morning

A step, and another step

 

The dawn passes

And when that moon falls asleep

The blue shade that stayed with me disappears

 

 

 

So specifically the part:

 

''Just like that any movie, like the line (from the movie)

The entire world is blue inside the moonlight''

 

 

Seems to directly be referring to the line 'In moonlight black boys look blue' from the film Moonlight. I'm assuming I don't have to tell people in this thread what film it is, but just because a reminder is always nice.

 

 

I'm seeing people say Namjoon penned the lyrics but apparently the inspiration came from V's feelings toward Jimin. Anyhow, #woke kings if it is true.

 

Even more convinced that Namjoon knows for sure about V's sexuality. Given this and his refusal to talk about Stigma when he obviously knew what it was about. I'm pretty sure all of BTS knows, but Joonie for sure. He's so supportive of his boys and it makes me happy.

[NickyNumbers]

I don't get why he would say that he is asexual so seriously if it was just a joke.

And like someone replied to me before, he could be gay but just not be interested in sex

i was thinking this too now the more i process it. a lack of sexual feelings doesn't automatically rule out the possession of romantic feelings so he could be a homoromantic asexual.

 

although i wonder if he's trying to just deny having any sexuality because he is in turmoil over being gay and this is where he's decided he feels comfortable. like, not faking it but not allowing himself to act on it. he was having a really hard time recently. maybe he was trying to come to terms with it all.

 

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[NickyNumbers]

Ok so here's my opinion on bts Straight: rap monster( probably was curious in the past), Jin.

 

Bisexual: suga, jungkook( into older men and possibly older women).

 

Gay: jimin( don't argue with me on this), v.

 

Other: jhope( wouldn't be surprised if he's bi and wouldn't be surpised if he's straight)

 

 

I find myself agreeing with this alot. especially Jhope because he's so hard to read.

 

also, Kookie is for SURE into older people be it men or women. the boy loves to be babied and his hatred of the use of the word oppa is also a bit of a clue.

[NickyNumbers]

I still think Taemin and Kai's friendship is weird.

 

 

They're like this basically every time they're seen together publicly, and it's not like they barely get to see each other.

 

 

Their friendship is the only reason i've ever given second thought to Kai not being straight. even trying to go by Korean standards, it seems overly attached/touchy.

[NickyNumbers]

Guys do you think Key, Jonghyun, Ryeowook or others gays idols will forced to get married one day? I often wondering about that. Will one day people accept them?

 

 

i think it depends on the person themselves. Like, i highly doubt someone like Heechul will ever be married. Key seems very comfortable with himself and also aware of culture outside of Korea so I doubt he would ether.

 

Others, like Bogum or Sungmin (who also had lots of rumors) are likely to get married.

 

it depends on how they want to live their life. it depends on the culture. this younger generation is a lot more likely to be allowed to be free with how they choose to live but Korea has a very familial and filial system so who knows.

[NickyNumbers]

OHOHOH

 

i just remembered

now that Hansol has come out as asexual.

 

i have always thought that Ryeowook was asexual. any thoughts?

[NickyNumbers]

Key looks absolutely heartbroken and that letter was brimming with love, even with it's public-friendly face.

 

Also, I think juxtaposing the letter with the ring says a hell of a lot.

 

I always feel harder for the ones who are left behind and Key worried me most from the beginning due to my personal thoughts and feelings about the two of them.

 

 

 

However, although he seems devastated, the letter seems to imply that he'll be okay eventually. I think it says other things but I won't mention them here because they aren't on topic.

 

Finally, I do believe there will be a more concrete answer one day about Jjong's sexuality simply because I can't see Key remaining closeted forever and when he eventually does whatever he will do, people will look back at their interactions and understand a little more.

 

O/T anyway - I'm now worried about Taemin and Onew. Onew seemed completely lifeless and Taemin seemed emotionless. I hope that all four get the help they need in the coming months.

 

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Edited December 21, 2017 by NickyNumbers

[NickyNumbers]

Reply to these behind a cut, since this it is more OT now.

 

 

In some footage you can see that Onew is physically unstable, almost shaking, as he carries the coffin to the car. He may either be completely exhausted from grief or he just didn't eat much during the wake, or both, of course.

To me, Taemin looked drained, as if he wasn't there anymore. He was standing alone and nobody touched or talked to him. I suspect he may be very close to the another stage of grieving, which is anger.

I've seen some people question the sincerity of Key's letter, as in whether it has been polished to be representable for the public eye. I suppose the ring would then be "the hidden message". But I hope that these were his genuine feelings, because then there is still hope of light in the future.

 

 

Regarding Key eventually coming out: no, I don't believe he would do that now. It would be horribly inappropriate in many ways. I also don't really expect anybody else to suddenly feel like having a burst of confessions. What I meant with my first post in this thread was that maybe other LGBTQ people in the industry will feel that the hiding is enough now. Remember that it wasn't long ago in the Western pop music sphere that being gay was considered bad for your career. Then eventually, one after the other began opening up and now it's not such a big deal anymore. (People in general may still not like it in some countries, but pop culture as a whole is more accepting.)

So you think due to Jonghyun's death, now he'll never come out? I don't see the logic there. I understand respecting a friend/lover's memory but Key can't base the rest of his life on ensuring Jjong's reputation isn't tarnished. I have always believed that Key will either come out or be even more transparent than Heechul and I don't see that changing.

 

I'll be honest. At one point, I was thinking it may spur him more to eventually be open. He's never been one to be particularly conformist and I think he's going to get tired of hiding. Holding something of yourself in/back out of fear can be very stressful and I can see him learning from what's happened and doing what he needs to do to be comfortable in his own skin.

 

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Edited December 22, 2017 by NickyNumbers

[NickyNumbers]

Ok, really, I'm beginning to get the impression people are deliberately misunderstanding (me/each other) in this thread. But please correct me, if I'm wrong. 

 

Replies to what I highlighted:

1. I said now, not never. I do believe Key will come out eventually.

2. I meant inappropriate in the sense that right now is a time for mourning, which appears to be a very important and formal event in SK. Coming out now would move the focus onto the LGBTQ movement in a negative way that would probably do more harm than good at this time. I don't think SK would take Key to their heart if he went on his IG tomorrow and said: "I miss Jonghyun, because we were lovers and I'm gay. Deal with it." 

 

I sincerely hope you didn't think I thought he should stay in the closet because coming out is a bad thing. In the end, it is always a good thing to be able to live openly. And yes, I know Key is basically as transparent as he can be, but delulu netizens would rather pretend he's straight than admit reality.

 

I'm sorry to swimgood that this situation has been triggering. I wish you nothing but the best. Don't ever be ashamed! 

 

i was misunderstanding you. the way you originally responded to my post, i thought you meant that he shouldn't come out ever. i completely agree. now is NOT the time at all for many more reasons than just the recentness of what's happened. he's still got military to go and just not yet. 

 

i'm glad though that we were able to have a clear calm discussion and no one got super angry.

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I forgot about military service. Wow, yeah. He won’t want to come out before that.

 

It may not happen until after he has left Kpop. (I secretly envision him being a big musical star with a popular TV show on the side when he’s in his 30/40s.)

 

Yeah, I was beginning to feel a little attacked in here - LOL! Nah, it’s all good. Words on paper/online are notoriously hard to interpret correctly.

 

 

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yeah, the military is the one thing that i think is stopping some of the more outspoken lgbtq members of kpop from speaking up. Right now, only JJ, Heechul and Yunho (my personal suspiscious people) have finished. We all know how Heechul is. Yunho is still freshly out, so we'll see and I don't keep track of JJ. 

 

It'll be interesting to see what happens in I think 8-10 years (even if i only listen on the side, i'll be anxious to see what's happening), when people like Key and Jokwon and Sungjong and Sehun and many of the other most common names in this thread are finished with their service.

 

It'll also be interesting to watch as I believe you said, as a few start to come out and things start to change. Will the military still be that stigmatized place with closeted idols just trying to get through it to freedom (imo, yes unfortunately)

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I have mixed feelings about Holland's success... on one hand it's great to see so many barriers in Korea being broken down with a simple music video.

 

on the other hand as a gay male I am kind of creeped out by the fetishism that I suspect is behind a lot of the stanning.

 

 

but then again if that fetishism didn't exist I'm pretty sure this thread wouldn't have a fraction of the active users it does.

 

 

i am not a gay may so i can't say anything about fetishism but i too have mixed feelings. his voice is nice and the song is okay but i feel like it's being mega-hyped because he's the first. like, someone has to be the first and he's amazingly brave for doing so but i feel like as a result he's getting success that other artists who come out won't get right away simply because he is the first. if that makes sense.

 

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you'd think the ~only gay for jeonghan bc he's girly~ thing would have stopped since jeonghan cut his hair (and has hardly ever acted overly feminine to begin with).....he's "manly" now and scoups is still all over him so, you know, kinda proves that theory wrong haha

 

also, I definitely always question vernon. he's an interesting guy...I really wonder what's going on with him and seungkwan constantly

 

 

i don't see how people could ever claim that Jeonghan was girly. literally, except for having long hair (which can't necessarily be considered feminine, but depending on the culture it may be), the boy has always been firmly male. he's never come off as soft and sweet. like, i hate that idea that just because he's overwhelmingly gorgeous with long hair, it somehow makes him not as manly.

 

 

also, Vernon to me has always been at the very least bi and Seungkwan gay.

the kinda shippy bit:

in regards to VerKwan, i'm pretty much of the mindset that they are a pair of the insanely lucky ones. they found each other young and are growing and maturing together. their interactions scream of a deeper intimacy sometimes yet they aren't only interacting or participating in each other, which is important. like, it gives them space to not always be with their partner and that is so important. i like to believe they hit the love lottery. i know that's not likely, but well...