Which male idols do you think are gay?

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3 minutes ago, Josaline said:

It's true that their fanservice at concerts doesn't prove anything. But what you listed later is completely out of context. Jungkook couldn't remember 4 O'Clock because he confused it with Scenery. It's also normal for Tae to mess up the release date of Still With You because they're dealing with so many songs that it's not even something to get angry about. If the two had drifted from each other or never cared for each other, they wouldn't have taken so much care to support each other. Taehyung has always supported Jungkook's solo songs. From Begin to Still With You. Jungkook also supported his solo songs. In fact,  Jungkook low key admits, 'Begin' is a song written for Taehyung. As Hoseok said, the two of them share songs with each other but not with the others, they say the songs they like in common are 'our song', Karaoke friends who always like to sing together... But whatever the reason, there isn't a single song they've worked together with in their 10-year career. Can you believe that? Whichever way you look at it, it doesn't make any sense either in a business context or in a private sense.

 

I've literally watched that episode a couple of days ago, he couldn't remember the song at all. Same with Sweet Night in that vlive. Your argument about SWY doesn't make much sense bc Jungkook barely releases songs on his own, beside song covers. Of course this doesn't indicate that they're not friends or anything but imo it does show that they're not particularly close. Jungkook didn't write Begin, Namjoon did and Namjoon said it's about that one incident when Jungkook said he has it hard when the hyungs have it hard. It's about all of the other members, not just Taehyung. You really believe Big Hit is stopping them from collaborating with each other? No offense but you sound like one of those tinhatter taekookers on twitter. Why is it so hard to believe that they did drift apart but they reconnected, something that came from their mouths, and instead keep peddling these conspiracy theories? Big Hit isn't the devil.

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18 minutes ago, Josaline said:

You know I watched the same show, right? After guessing wrong, Jungkook humming Scenry's melody and asking Tae if this was the song. When Jungkook tried to write the lyrics of 'Begin' himself and had problems, he went to RM and RM wrote the song from his point of view. Jungkook said, "Taehyung hyung should be moved while listening to this" and RM said the song must be called V-Gin. I guess that explains a lot. I'm not saying that Big Hit prevents them from working together, but I can't find a logical explanation for why they don't work together. We're not talking about recent times, we're talking about their entire career.

And honestly, I don't understand why you think that two people have to jump on each other in front of the cameras for you to admit they're close. So these guys develop different friend handshakes more than once a year, but somehow they're not close to each other? Make it make sense please. Especially after Taehyung matured, he started posting almost nothing on social media. It seems that he has established boundaries between his bandmates, his actor friends, and his family. This is a nice system that people can sometimes do to protect their mental health and private life.

 

 

lol ok clearly we have different point of views and I don't want to continue with this talk especially since people have already complained about the thread being too BTS centric. I'll choose to believe what came out of Jungkook and Taehyung's mouths while you can continue to believe Big Hit is keeping them apart and prohibiting them from working together. 

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54 minutes ago, peaches said:

 

The issue is not about whether they are together off camera. The issue is people trying to prove that taehyung hates shippers and is awkward with jungkook because of them when the concert footages show otherwise. They have been hanging on to his weverse comment for the last 2 years hoping it would somehow be true lmao.

Just from all your arguments it is clear which side of twitter you are always on and getting your information from. There are two sides to every story and maybe get the whole picture before believing in some one sided narrative.

They don’t need to be shown together 24/7 to prove they are friends. They don’t need to know every aspect of each other personal or professional lives. It’s funny how you think taejin’s interaction is only that fanservice moment in so what and then what, as soon as they walk out of the stage the don’t even talk to each other? They are all together almost every day and lot of interactions happen off camera that we don’t know about.

Also they have a huge discography as a group and individuals. Jungkook even forget BTS had a song called heartbeat and paradise. So it’s not a big deal he forgot the title of taehyung’s song and vice versa. He eventually played sweet night during the same vlive and sang along. He posted a cover of scenery on twitter and sang with him during the concert.

If you remember, taehyung was the first person to listen to stay and he recommended it for BE album. Similarly jungkook has heard songs in taehyung’s mixtape that the others haven’t. They have always shared playlist and recommended songs to each other. And it can be clear with the amount of songs they have sung together in karaoke. It hasn’t changed even now.

 

 

 

 

lol I don't know what you're implying but I'm not choosing any sides here. I dislike all ships equally, and especially the ones with crazy tinhatters. Sadly enough Jungkook is in the middle of kpop's two biggest ships with tinhatters which is why I always sideeye posts like yours. I don't think Taehyung hates shippers (he said in that Run BTS episode that Armys like skinship moments like the one where he kissed Jin, much like any idol he's aware of shippers) and I definitely don't think he's awkward with Jungkook because of shippers. This argument is always peddled by international armys but the truth is that Korean shippers aren't nearly as rabid as international shippers and they're more likely to keep their fangirling to their own. Hence why friendships might not get affected (of course this is still a generalization). I never said Taehyung and Jin don't talk to each other, I'm saying that during concerts they're all over each other but in all the other content we get from them they barely talk to each other. It's not like Jin and Jungkook for example, who are constantly playful with each other. My point is simply that interactions during concerts are very pointed. Btw Jungkook forgot Paradise because it was international armys spamming the chat with the English name of the song but BTS know it by its Korean name and they have referred to it a couple of times. But anyway I don't want to clog the thread with this talk, much like I said to Josaline you're free to believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. 

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1 hour ago, Dont mind me said:

 

Look at Gaga, she dresses in her day to day very differently and her personality is the opposite of her stage persona. This is normal, there is no fakery there and she is also not free. She has a label to keep happy. The two can coexist. 

I don't understand your argument here. Gaga is one of the few artists who actually seem to be very involved in her music and stage persona. Watch her latest Vogue video where she explains the outfits she's worn throughout her career, she openly speaks about how she worked on them (with her Haus of Gaga team).

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4 hours ago, SingulariV said:

No lol I saw this being distorted in real time, like a game of Telephone. JK was saying he had a lot of fun and he sweated a lot (땀, ttam), RM translated that as 'his shirt was very wet' and interviewer took that to mean Harry Styles was in a wet shirt (?). BTS US interviews always have these 'he said what now' communication gap moments. 

That's a general problem with RM functioning as the group's translator when that's not his job at all lmao.

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Guys, CDAN is notoriously full of shit and even got in trouble with Robert Downey Jr one time because of their blind items. When it comes to blind items I honestly wouldn't trust any of those sites, unless you find someone who posted a blind item that was eventually confirmed (for example, Amanda Seyfried and her current husband, Lainey Gossip wrote a blind item about them years ago).

14 hours ago, Tixy said:

 

Idk, guy has a fashion sense I guess and is open to acting cute during varieties, I never saw much beyond that in him. Even his friends seem really straight lol. 

 

I know someone already said this but I honestly can't see the Itaewon 97 line as anything but straight. The only one I can maaaybe see as possibly being into guys is Jaehyun.

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I can see companies allowing two same sex idols from different groups to see each other, but members from the same group? It's too big of a liability imo. A bad breakup or any kind of problem would affect the entire group and their public perception while if they're in different groups it can just be chalked down to them no longer being "friends" (like Park Bogum and V, for example, V stopped mentioning him like he did before and people just assumed it's because he's closer to that actor circle he has now).

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That Yein rumor was really dumb and as far as I know it didn't even gain any traction on Korean sites. Hell, even that dumb Lisa/Jungkook ship seems more believable than that.

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6 hours ago, aligning-stars said:

So you agree that there is no evidence? Also, the times they were at the beach were different according to time codes. This rumor is on the same level as suran x suga. 

Nah, Suran/Suga was a lot more believable than this, at least they worked together. All we have about Yein and Jimin is similar beach photo (she went with Kwon Eunbi allegedly) and the fact that they both like Mickey Mouse or something...? But I'm not surprised that certain people (shippers) are clinging to this.  Happened with that chaebol girl too.

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7 hours ago, Josaline said:

You shouldn't look too deeply into this. Suga and Jungkook in particular have always been open about Tae's handsomeness. Suga describes Tae's face as an art, Jungkook can't help but say how handsome he is every chance he gets. You can feel how impressed they are by his handsomeness and a bit envy his beauty.

The kind of fawning over other member's looks is actually really common between kpop groups, particularly when it comes to the visual members. I've seen the same with NCT and Jaehyun/Taeyong, back in the day it happened with Big Bang and TOP,  SHINee and Minho etc. 

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If Namjoon is really dating that guy then good for him. He knows all eyes (in the fandom) are on maknae line and no one is throwing a fuss over who he's dating. To a heteronormative eye (aka the majority of South Korea) this still just looks like a couple of close friends. So if they're really dating he's being as open as he can be, which is cool.

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46 minutes ago, OptimusPremier said:

So you dismissed all of the receipts because he didn't actually come out in this particular japanese interview? (who genuinely thought he did? i felt like he just didn't want to talk about an ideal girl, that's what makes it a receipt among other many times he dodged girl questions starting from 2016) 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking you, so I'm sorry if I'm coming off as harsh but I'm tired and dumbfounded about what this thread has become that Jimin wearing sparkly make-up on stage/smirking at that guy in Malta, or Taehyung going on a vacation with Hoseok (for 2 days, Namjoon and that guy travelled together for a month btw) are considered more worthy of a discussion than a non-celeb wearing Namjoon's worn-out shirt and following him everywhere, or Yoongi ranting about his ideal man or wearing limited-edition LGBT shoes...

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Also I can't help but think that people disminishes hyung line's receipts because it's statistically impossible to have that many LGBT members in the group and for their ship to work, most of the maknae line has to be LGBT so there's no more slot available.

Like each time a hyung-line member has relevant receipts to his case made, another hyung-line member who had relevant receipts gets suddenly dismissed because otherwise that would make 2 hyung-line members possibly being LGBT and 4 out of 7 is too much.

 

Is popularity a factor here? Or people being shallow in general? Because if everything Namjoon was doing was happening to someone from maknae line there'd be a lot more talk about it. People talked about Bogum and Tae more even though looking back at it there wasn't really much there beside a Jeju vacation and it doesn't compare to Namjoon's mystery guy (although personally I think people talked a lot about Bogum because he was also a convenient villain outside of the group for Taehyung's ships, namely for Taekook). People are so quick to believe the smallest things about maknae line but with hyung line everything has to be combed over.

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1 hour ago, DDiddy said:

I wonder how Jungkook feels being trapped in the most famous ships in kpop and how that impacted him figuring out his sexuality and himself. Like I just feel so bad for the dude, everything he does gets analyzed by delulus to hell. Mans can't breath without shippers interpreting something, that gotta have some permanent effects on how you see yourself right? I wonder how much he struggled.

Why would you feel bad for him? He does fan service with Jimin and Taehyung too. No one in BTS isn't aware of ships and shipping fan service. I do feel bad for him in the future when he gets caught with someone because he'll have to deal with double the tinhatters compared to the other members, but he could easily not feed the shippers. I doubt he cares and I doubt it had any impact on his sexuality, whatever it is.

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7 minutes ago, lovelove1997 said:

im not gonna say who they are because im actually scared its gonna end up in twitter or smth , i have the better definition pic where you can actually see who they are but yeah i dont know if i should post it because i think it came from a private source and i dont want to end in jail , they are a big kpop ship .

Pds: its not taekook

im pretty much gonna delete this soon 

https://imgur.com/a/KRrMacm

It's not taekook but it's jikook which is essentially the same shit lol. I'm not sure what the caption says and I'm not even sure what I'm looking at tbh.

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The caption was in Korean and it mentioned Jungkook's dad but I don't speak Korean so I'm not entirely sure what it said. Either way I've seen plenty of delusional Korean shippers so it doesn't even matter. I've looked at the alleged evidence for jikook being real and I never saw that photo before.

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6 hours ago, MybDsTm said:

I'm not really sure whether to believe what Jungkook said on that ITS interview though. Because if you watch their videos prior and after ITS, nothing seemed to change between Taekook, they still look close like how they were before. The only changes I noticed was Tae being moody and quieter compared to their early years But the interactions between Taekook, it's the same. But that was just me.

 

Why would you not believe him though? Sure, reality shows are scripted, but do you seriously believe Big Hit came to Taehyung and Jungkook and told them to lie to the camera just for the sake of it? Especially because what they said wasn't even half bad, they said that they drifted apart but became close again. Why would you sooner believe your perception of Taekook interactions (especially considering they're in front of cameras/fans, meaning there might be always an ulterior motive, unconsciously or not) instead of what came out of their mouths? I've seen so many Taekook shippers say the same thing about the ITS thing and it feels like it boils down to the issue of shipping, where essentially you see these real people as fantasies and as soon as they step out of those fantasies (like the ITS conversation or a possible dating scandal) you immediately try to find a third party to blame for this (usually Big Hit, but with Taekook shippers it's also Jimin). This same thing happened with Larries as well. And I fail to see how posting photos of each other on instagram is being "loud" lol. 

The user above me is right though, what's the point in discussing ships in this thread? Kpop fans don't seem to believe in same sex friendships anyway (especially when it involves two popular members, why is there all this talk about Jungkook and Taehyung but no one cared when Taehyung posted that photo of him and Hobi in Hawaii or even the fact that they were both in Hawaii before coming back to Seoul?). The reason why people think there's something going on between RM and that guy isn't because they're both guys, it's because they seem to be often together and even travel together.

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5 hours ago, heedeungie said:

Someone help me i’m falling into a andrew garfield gay loop hole (he even watches ru pauls drag race )

^^ this is a thread of guys he’s kissed

i think he could be bi/gay !!

I can see him being bi, plus there's this: When asked about his sexuality, Garfield identified himself as heterosexual but has said that he has "an openness to any impulses that may arise within me at any time".. I'm happy to see people liking him recently bc he's a great actor. All of his public relationships have been with women though.

24 minutes ago, Chika Chika said:

But really. What do people here think about Jungkook. Everyone here has mixed opinions to give.

Personally I think he's straight much like the rest of 97 line.

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7 hours ago, MJr said:

 

So... I don't think that's something straight people are prone to say. He was also very into the idea of a bisexual Peter Parker back in the day (there's also conspiracy theory that his contract with marvel was terminated due to conflicts about this lmfao).

 

 

lol yeah he even pitched MBJ to play Mary Jane. But Andrew actually lost his Spiderman role due to two things: TASM 2 doing badly, critically and commercially, and because he skipped on some important Sony meetings (this was revealed in the Sony email leak).

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8 hours ago, gam3 bo1 said:

the biggest reason i can think of is because one time while haechan was on vlive his ipad screen showed that he was following itzy on vlive and he looked at the camera kind of scared. people say this could be because haechan is possibly a fan of itzy and no one would suspect a thing if he was a nugu idol but i can't imagine him being a fan of a girl group around the same age as him and following them when it's more likely they're friends or have a dating connection....? also no one would suspect if he was a nugu idol because they would likely never meet since bigger idols and smaller idols don't tend to go to the same end of year events, try not to promote at the same time and sometimes don't go on the same music shows, of course people would be less likely to suspect they're dating in that alternate universe because there's less chance of them knowing each other personally. not saying i believe that they're dating because i'm more in the middle but i do find this reasoning people use to be a little faulty.

the reason it's haechan and ryujin specifically rather than him and another itzy member is because of the usual reach kpop dating receipts. i don't have the sources right now because it's been quite a while since i saw them but one was that ryujin was holding H C balloons for a christmas photoshoot thing itzy did in 2020 and H C = haechan but the HC is also from CHristmas (but then you could make the argument why is she holding the letters H C specifically since she has rumours??? idfk what the thought path is here lmao). and then another was that she was dancing to boss once in a video but instead of doing the normal hand sign taeyong does at the start of the song she apparently did an alternative hand sign that haechan had made for it? once again, my information may be iffy because i'm just naming what i can remember off the top of my head and it's been a while but yeah. once again i'm just on the fence with no opinion on it all.

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Putting this under a spoiler since I guess this isn't particularly relevant to the thread.

They were already rumored to be dating before the Vlive thing (I remember people mentioning them together before) but people saw the Vlive thing as a confirmation of their rumors. They apparently have some matching items too I guess? The thing is that while to me couple items/matching items are dumb they seem to be really popular between Korean couples. If I was an idol I personally wouldn't do that (especially if I was dating a fellow idol/celebrity) but at the same time you had a veteran like Taeyeon doing "lovestagram" with Baekhyun so what do I know. Matching items are almost always used when people discuss dating rumors (like with the Jungkook/Lee Yubi rumor that was recently denied, people pointed out that they had similar bracelets and it wouldn't surprise me if the bracelet Jungkook wore was a couple thing, not necessarily with her, because he wore it quite often and no one was able to ID the brand). To get back to Ryujin and Haechan personally I do think she's into girls but I'm not sure she's a lesbian.

 

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1 hour ago, aligning-stars said:

Lol that jikook pic is all over Twitter now. Do y'all think it's real? imo it's fake, but it's hard to tell cuz you can barely see their faces. Jm looks too tall tho.

It doesn't look like them to me.

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16 hours ago, lgbtxt said:

it's always struck me as odd how BTS haven't done fanservice (shippy or bf fantasy) for yearrrsss, probably since before WINGS i think? and yet HYBE pushes sooo much ship stuff into the official lore content or whatever it just feels like mixed messages and it throws me off 

What do you mean they haven't done fanservice since WINGS? Because they very much still do fanservice, although it's more of the shippy variety (but I believe that if they still did fansigns they'd do some y/n fanservice too, since that's the most common way to do it).

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9 hours ago, Eremit said:

nobody is denying their platonic bond, they're clearly close but shippers using this moment as "proof" when it seemed like JK was mostly trying to make JM laugh/cheer him up and Bighit marketed the shit out of it (I can practically see some executive in the background jumping for joy when they showed them the footage) pretty much points to it not being that deep. It's like when V jumps into Jimin's arms at the concert, do I think it's fanservice? yeah, they know the fans love it. Does it mean they're not actually close and touchy with each other? No. Any behaviour is adapted slightly when there's cameras or many eyes on you, that's completely normal.

alsoooo I think anything they do at concerts tends to be exaggerated a bit. Like as others have said BTS are a naturally pretty touchy group, but they are definitely aware of what fans like and I've seen shippers complain that Jikook provide more "moments" in the US concerts and Taekook more in the Japan concerts than vice versa - with speculations always being that this means they must have had a fight or whatever and not the most obvious conclusion, that they are aware of which ships are especially popular where they perform.

I've actually seen someone do an "analysis" (lol it already sounds stupid by writing it down) where they said that Jungkook didn't actually bite/suck his ear but he was whispering something in his ear instead. Wish I could find it and post it here but either way even if he did suck/bite on it, it's exactly what I mean when I say they still do shippy stuff. And like you already mentioned, they do quite a lot of it in concerts (during the LY/SY tours Taehyung and Jin would get into each other's faces during So What, Taehyung and Jungkook would do some stuff during DNA and Boy With Luv to the point that there are compilations of these moments on Youtube, at the most recent concert there was a blatant Jikook fan service act etc). The way I see it concerts are the perfect spot for textbook fan service, because fans are literally right there watching it. 

In a Run BTS episode they showed the clip of Taehyung kissing Jin's cheek and Taehyung said armys like seeing stuff like that. They all know very well what fans like and what they want. The closest we got to any of them telling off shippers is that Taehyung Weverse comment but the true meaning of what he meant has been debated to all ends so it doesn't even matter. My point is that they still do shippy fan service which I find a bit weird considering how established they are. As for y/n the only thing I can think of is some of Jungkook's comments on vlive which I find hilarious bc if he got into a dating scandal he'd def get the worst reaction of them all.

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Putting this into a spoiler bc it's not relevant to the thread. But I've seen someone on knetizen bring up Big Bang in terms of how they have male fans and it's true that in terms of digital strength and overall popularity they were the closest thing to what BTS is now yet I don't seem to recall them doing this kind of fan service? Yeah they did have those drama parodies but they were never taken seriously so it didn't come off as fan service. G-Dragon is their most popular member yet he's been in a million dating scandals and his popularity/reputation is untouched. I wonder why Big Hit/the members themselves still feel the need to do fan service when they're so popular.

 

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Moonbyul actually wrote the lyrics to her latest song and seems to be involved in the whole production of it. Can't say the same for BTS. Like there's a distinct difference between this webtoon and Suga/RM/J-Hope's mixtapes for example.

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44 minutes ago, SingulariV said:

 

With BTS I just always wonder what a gay member (if any) is thinking about all these projects. Do they feel exposed, disrespected, resigned - or do they see it as a game, expressive, light-hearted etc. 

 

Apparently it took a year for them to be convinced to do this webtoon thing. Ultimately I think they see it as yet another thing in the way of making music. RM mentioned once that they barely have time to work on music because of all the non music stuff they have to do. But at the same time I'm sure they're being paid well.

I brought up their mixtapes because I feel like that's where they have the most freedom. Although I do think Big Hit is more lenient with hyung line compared to maknae line and coincidentally enough we've been hearing about V and Jungkook's mixtapes for years and they're nowhere to be seen.

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I highly doubt he deleted it bc of politics. Koreans don't see Hong Kong as part of China so it wouldn't be as controversial if it was a movie from mainland China. Wong Kar Wai is from Hong Kong and so was Leslie Cheung.