Which male idols do you think are gay?

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2 minutes ago, Melany said:

well he still showed more interest towards women than to men (meaning 0)

Proof? And I hope none of them are AHL or him liking IU or some shit like that.

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Also, not entirely related but ironic how we are allowed to say that an idol is "straight"/is doing "straight" things when they are/were still a minor in the receipts but when we do the same with gay receipts it suddenly becomes "it's forbidden to discuss a minor's sexuality". This forum is lovely, isn't it?

 

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2 minutes ago, Melany said:

i replied to the person above you can read 

Oh yeah, watching female singers perform (and being impressed by their performance, in Normani's case) = attraction

In that case he has shown attraction to men many times too.

Post the interviews you're talking about, how am I supposed to believe you without any substantial proof?

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10 minutes ago, Melany said:

but i didn't say it for everytime he react to a woman?? i said specifically normani performance. For example, he reacted to ariana, taylor swift, twice, red velvet performance, but just appreciated it.

And the difference between them are...?

I'm not sure what is the big deal in both videos? In the interview he was just looking at whoever was talking at the moment. Unless you are assuming that him not standing still is a proof of him showing attraction to the interviewer, which I don't agree.

There's nothing out of the ordinary in the Mamamoo video.

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42 minutes ago, liberalitea said:

can we ban talking about jungkook on this thread lmao

no but fr there's 2.5 whole pages arguing about his sexuality like ~chill~, can we move on

It's not like anyone cares about this thread anymore. This fight is the most active this thread has been in a while.

But I agree, let's move on.

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Can we f*cking ban the transphobes please

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2 hours ago, Ayumi_loves_BTS said:

Can someone help me?

I want to see the things written about my faves.

Is it possible to search this thread for things about my faves?

It used to be possible to do so, but the search system of this forum stopped working properly like 3 years ago and never got fixed.

In the very first post of this thread there are some links to important things, tho. However, I don't know how updated the post is.

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This is from an old interview, probably has already been posted a long time ago but anyway. RM's "I don't like bad woman or bad man types" is kinda interesting

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6 hours ago, TataBoo said:

Does anyone have receipts of Taehyung actually looking attracted to men who aren't BTS? Tbh I'm not sure if fanservice or skinship with his members count. I'm kind of curious because Jimin has shown to be attracted to men plenty of times outside of the group, but I can't tell with Taehyung. With that being said, there are just some mannerisms and other receipts with Taehyung that I can't ignore, so I still get the vibe he likes men.

The first thing that comes to mind is that time in Bon Voyage when he (and BTS) were drooling over that guy's semi nude body

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Oh well, this went from a fun discussion full with tea to a complete mess really fast

I don't even wanna read all these essays

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10 hours ago, LostChild said:

On a side note, is this thread « Which male idols do you think are gay ? » or « Which BTS members do you think are gay and in love with each other ? » ?

Because if that’s the latter, spoiler alert : none of them are.

You should create another thread if you’re just here to share your fanfics about them.

Can you fucking not?

If you're so bothered that people are discussing about BTS more right now on this thread then just log off or try to start a discussion about other groups

It's so fucking annoying that people only go "oMG iS ThIs wHIcH Male IDols aRE GaY or wHich BtS memBers are gAY?! " when it's BTS that is being discussed, but no one bats an eye when NCT was the one being discussed for PAGES without stopping. No one gets annoyed, they go on with their lives. But they can't go on with their lives when it's BTS, why is that?

Not too long ago I went through the pages of this thread to find some tea on Seventeen for a friend and all I could find (going back as far as middle 2019) were pages upon pages of NCT being discussed, with some SM idols being thrown here and there. I've been following this thread for a really long time, I only truly care about BTS, but do I complain when they're not the subject? No. I just ignore non-BTS posts and go do something else, while waiting for someone to bring up BTS, someday. I can assure it's not that hard

TL;DR: Your faves aren't the subject of the discussion on this thread? Go do something productive with your life or start discussing about them yourself with people that care about them.

Sorry for the kinda off-topic rant.

 

Edit: BTW, I know some will try to argue that they're bothered becuase people are discussing BTS ships here.

Well, first of all: there are barely any "shippy" BTS posts in the current discussion. From what I've seen, most people here are aware that ships in BTS are to be taken with a grain of salt/as an aftertought. For example, when someone brought up Jungkook being protective of Taehyung in a show Bogum was in, they didn't imply Taekook was real. They were implying that Jungkook might have noticed that Taehyung was uncomfortable with Bogum's presence (which, while also being a suposition, doesn't need to be read as romantic, either on Tae and Jungkook's side or Tae and Bogum's side).

Second of all: Other groups ships are discussed all the time, too. I'm not saying every post about the idea that two people from the same group might be dating are shippy posts, but for sure other people have more freedom (as in less "having to avoid making it seem as a shippy post") to talk about it than BTS stans here have.

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4 hours ago, BYULTENHWALL said:

bts said alot of sexist, homophobic stuff back then. Korean feminists arent a fan of them because of those. It was the image bighit was trying to push so bad. Their image back then was just toxic masculinity, Jimin even said before that men dont kiss to jhope which looking at him now would be surprising he said that. I think bh takes the image thing too far sometimes, the members talked about how uncomfortable it made them with the overly badboy image. I personally feel like even now theyre still playing an image. So its hard to say some things they say it's how they actually feel. This is the same for all kpop groups.

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Yes, it's true that they have said tons of ignorant things back in their rookie days. But for the most of those things they recognized their mistakes and apologized/learned from it. They apologized for their sexist lyrics and started to get advices from gender studies professors.

As for homophobic things they've said, I have to disagree that they've said "a lot". I'm confident that there are only two incidents where they've said anything close to being homophobic: The fansign incident (Yes, it did happen. I remember it) and the one you talked about, with Jimin and J-Hope.

The fansign one was in 2014 or 2015, basically Jimin making a lot of aegyo with Jungkook and Taehyung reacting badly to it. Either what Taehyung said was homophobic or not, I guess it varies from each person's opinion. And even if you see it in the worst way possible (Taehyung implying that Jimin has a "bad mental state" because "he may like guys"), I personally don't think it affects the possibility of him being LGBTQ+. If he was indeed that homophobic back then, it wouldn't make his receipts (his possible journey to self-acceptance as a LGBTQ+ man, remember 'Stigma'?) any less significant.

The Jimin and J-Hope one was in the behind the scenes for something they were shooting for Dark & Wild in 2014. They decided to pretend they were bad boys members of enemy gangs meeting up to fight. I am less induced to believe that they were being serious, which is why I don't care that much about it. And even if they somehow were, then well, that was 6 years ago.

(I have trouble to find the actual video but I guess from this gif you can see what it actually was)

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Also, not related at all with the rest of the topic, but while I'm almost 100% sure Taehyung is LGBTQ+, I'm not as confident with him being completely gay. That's mainly because I know a lot of bi guys who are like him (consuming tons of, if not only LGBTQ+ media, etc.) but are bisexual with great degree of attraction to women.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was 100% gay, tho. I just wouldn't bet on it, don't want another Heechul situation happening lol

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8 hours ago, LostChild said:

Again, where did I say that I was bothered by the discussion on them ? You clearly erased the important part of my quote, I said «  gay and IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER ». Discuss them all you want but if this thread becomes a copycat of the BTS shipping threads like it used to be three years ago, that’s on you.

I didn't erase anything. You can go back to my post and see that not only I didn't erase that part from your post, I ALSO ADRESSED IT.

You, on the other hand, ERASED THE GREAT PART OF MY POST THAT ADRESSED IT. Hypocrisy much?

Maybe you just couldn't find it. Here, I will repeat it for you!

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Edit: BTW, I know some will try to argue that they're bothered becuase people are discussing BTS ships here.

Well, first of all: there are barely any "shippy" BTS posts in the current discussion. From what I've seen, most people here are aware that ships in BTS are to be taken with a grain of salt/as an aftertought. For example, when someone brought up Jungkook being protective of Taehyung in a show Bogum was in, they didn't imply Taekook was real. They were implying that Jungkook might have noticed that Taehyung was uncomfortable with Bogum's presence (which, while also being a suposition, doesn't need to be read as romantic, either on Tae and Jungkook's side or Tae and Bogum's side).

Second of all: Other groups ships are discussed all the time, too. I'm not saying every post about the idea that two people from the same group might be dating are shippy posts, but for sure other people have more freedom (as in less "having to avoid making it seem as a shippy post") to talk about it than BTS stans here have.

 

9 hours ago, LostChild said:

I’m not surprised about you only reading for the posts about BTS because if you read the rest of this thread, you would have known that people also complained when this thread was filled with NCT and there was little to no place for discussion about other groups. And while they are my « faves », I didn’t write anything to defend this because i also felt the discussion about them was overwhelming.

Yeah, like two times? lol

And it's not even comparable, NCT was being discussed for, as I said, pages upon pages lately. BTS, meanwhile, only got discussed for 3 pages after a very long time of barly no discussion about them before you got bothered (yes, you got bothered. I don't even know why you are trying to deny it, if you weren't bothered you wouldn't make that post in the first place).

And let me say that I don't care if NCT is discussed for pages. As I said, if you want to talk about another group then start the discussion yourself. I'm sorry but you can't stop people from talking about something they're interested about and force them to talk about something they don't care about. What you want people who are only here for NCT or BTS to do? Start to discuss if there are any gay members in Blanc7? Almost no one even know their names lol (no offense for the Blanc7 stans).

 

9 hours ago, LostChild said:

Finally I don’t care about people crying that BTS stans don’t have as much room to discuss ships and « moments » since i’ve ALWAYS told that ships are highly irrelevant when discussing any idol or group. I won’t repeat myself on this subject but you can’t accuse me of bias.

Okay, sweetheart. I hope you have a great year.

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I kinda hate how armys have been trying to find anything that could prove that Yoongi and Suran are dating they used to be so close, dating or not they had a pretty healthy relationship, but the moment armys started to harass her because of that Instagram post they started to drift away from each other. I hate that even today people go after everything she does to find anything that could possibly be related to Suga.

Btw, adding to the Yoongi discussion, he was the one who talked about wanting their BT21 characters to not be in a gender binary (group of two genders). LGBTQ+ or not, Yoongi is pretty educated about gender identity.

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6 hours ago, ga_shina said:

Why do people think Suga is attracted to men? I know he is very open minded but I never thought he could be anything than straight. Would love to see some "evidence" that doesn't involve his members. Tbh I've also never paid him much attention so I might have missed something. 

Yoongi used to have a large amount of receipts back in BTS' early days. Most of them weren't "big", in fact a lot of them were things like "avoiding ideal type questions", but because they were so recurrent and happened within short amounts of time, lots of people saw them as proof of Yoongi being bi/pan and confortable with his sexuality.

But then he slowly stopped saying "sus" things, probably because the ideal type questions also stopped and/or because BTS became really famous and he had to be more careful with what he says.

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Not related: I saw someone mention the Billboard 2018 interview and I just want to say that I don't think Namjoon backtracked his support in that interview. What I think that happened was bad interpretation and translation. The interviewer was korean and the interview was likely in korean too and then later translated into english. Namjoon probably tried to play with the words and give a deep response (he did the same with the the other questions) and the interviewer didn't understand it well as it wasn't a direct response.

 

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2 hours ago, joonsoulie said:

 

This is as explicit as they've been and I'm guessing as explicit as they're allowed to be. There was briefly a time when KISS FM was raffling off tickets to a video call and many fans were hoping someone would be able to tell them how much they mean to LGBT fans. One of the winners said that she would but then said she forgot

 

There's also Namjoon's response to this question at a radio interview around LY:Her release:

 

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5 hours ago, lighterxx said:

Peeps what do you think of this group?

here is some general info about them

https://unitedkpop.com/2014/08/teaser-tuesday-nature-of-man/

do you think its queerbaiting or do we finally have at least a very tiny company making some moves?

I find it hard to believe this is queerbaiting

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Jungkook is definitely really hard to read. There's barely anything that we can take as receipts for attraction to anyone.

The only thing we have left is his personality and well... he really reads off as a straight man lmao. A lot of his interests are straight as fck

But then again there are people who seem to be 100% straight and end up being LGBTQ+. It is rare but it happens

1 hour ago, joonsoulie said:

This is something interesting to me, do y'all think that our perceptions of idols are in some way unintentionally informed by common fanfiction/fanwork tropes? Like using Hoseok as an example, in fanfictions he's usually the "token straight friend" or the odd member out who isn't written into any intro-group pairings. Even if you don't consume or engage with RPS fanfic is it possible those characterizations and tropes cross over into fan's perception of the idols themselves irl? Because otherwise I have no idea where people got that he "loves pussy" lol

Definitely. If you use twitter and interact with other fans (who likely are into RPS and shipping), you are bound to absorb their perceptions.

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12 hours ago, YooJeong said:

I see people say this and I just don't see it? Is it the sports and video games? Then again, I really don't see sexuality influencing personality traits let alone interests. I know they often overlap, but I honestly think it's aa 50/50 shot in the dark. One of my closest friends has "straight as fuck" interests (he loves cars, car racing, and he's a major athlete, football and track and weightlifting) but he's as straight as a rainbow. And the opposite has come through as well. So I don't see the pattern myself in real life, but I am just one person. 

I do think that ideas of sexuality being reflected in interests and personality types leans towards conflating gender expression with sexuality, and while the two can be intertwined, I think it happens to often that even members of the LGBT+ community conflate femininity with homosexuality and vice versa. This happens a lot with Jungkook. 

Jungkook likes, as far as we know: Drawing, dancing/singing (duh), working out, video games, photography, and film/directing. I don't see any of those as particularly straight. I heard people say his love for EDM speaks volumes but he's also aways loved Troye Sivan and Tori Kelly - especially Troye - and voiced that repeatedly, yet everyone ignores that.

but overall yeah, Jungkook is by far the hardest to read for me. I think he definitely likes women, whether he likes other genders as well, who knows - but I just don't get why so many people think his personality and interests are straight when he's one of the most artistic members too, just bc he likes working out and gaming.

He's also the one who said to him fashion means wearing whatever you want, regardless of gender, and people ignore this too. Cited Iron Man as his celebrity crush, etc.

 

I understand what you're saying, that's why I said 'a lot of his interests', not 'all'. I know that Jungkook likes make up, likes some queer artists, etc.

I don't exactly agree with you on saying that personality and sexuality isn't connected. I'm not saying that just because a man is gay that he will automatically like Lady Gaga and hate sports or some shit, but queer people are more likely to like/understand some things (like Lady Gaga) than straight people would and vice versa. I don't think it's because of sexuality tho but instead because of the influence of society. That, of course, doesn't mean that a straight man can't like Lady Gaga for example, but it's less likely.

I don't know if I'm making any sense...

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25 minutes ago, Kaider28 said:

I know this thread used to (generally) think that Taeyong from NCT was lgbt in some sense, but after his whole homophobic bullying fiasco, it went a lil quiet about him.

What are y'all's conclusions about now? Honestly, he seems hard to read and I am not sure how different he truly is from his public persona. I kept going back and forth from thinking that he might deal with internalized homophobia, or just being a straight guy with some conservative tendencies; it is interesting that he seems to get along well with Ten (who which this thread generally concludes as being gay/bi).

Any thoughts? 

Wasn't the homophobic bullying scandal cleared up or something? I don't follow NCT and this happened long ago, so...

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11 hours ago, YooJeong said:

This makes sense, and I agree that personality and sexuality are connected, which I said. What I really wanted to emphasize was that gender expression is often confused for and conflated with sexuality, both inside and outside of the LGBT+ community. It's damaging because it perpetuates some pretty prejudiced and heteronormative ideas. I'm not saying you ere doing this btw, just something I noticed happens a lot.

II also don't think personality = interests though, and while I do agree that it's clear many times interests tend to reflect personality, I just don't think saying "X person's interests are super straight" makes sense to interpret sexuality just because there's so much margin of error. Personality and interests are different, they overlap, just like gender and sexuality. I think this stems from conflating gender and sexuality to be frank. Things like gay men loving fashion, hair styling, etc. looks more to me like interp[reting sexuality through gender expression. Those things are gendered, not sexualized. Well, they are both gendered and sexualized, but they are first gendered. And then, gender has been sexualized, so. 

In the "who do we think is lesbian" thread we discussed how tired we are of the whole "they're too feminine/masculine to be straight/non-het" and how damaging it is. Do gay men tend to like Lady Gaga at higher rates than heterosexual men? Maybe. But liking musicians/artists reflects sexuality a lot more than other interests bc some artists, IMO, use music and art to express gender and sexuality. So yes, queer people will gravitate towards that. But that's an entirely different concept than liking video games or weightlifting or fashion or photography. In my opinion. 

Yes, queer people are more likely to understand and like some things - but I only agree with this when it comes to liking certain artists (musicians, actors, etc) and movies/songs. I don't think this actually applies to more general interests like video games, sports, etc. I think if we discuss that we're more talking about gender and what gender we associate with these interests, and then how we perceive gender expression informs sexuality

(.And maybe as someone who has had people legit doubt my sexuality and constantly tell me I'm "straight"/that I don't seem queer despite the fact that I am currently dating a woman, just because I'm extremely feminine and like traditionally "feminine" things, I'm just tired of that narrative, so maybe my personal feelings are influence this. I will admit that bias)

Let's agree to disagree then

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7 minutes ago, Passwords said:

Really? They seem like the most non straight Gen to me. I’m seeing a lot of vibes of LGBT boys who were inspired to become idols because of their idol crushes lmao but maybe that’s just me 

I have this same opinion about the 4th generation

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Regarding Jungkook saying "yeobo" to Jin, I'm pretty sure it's not the first time someone from BTS calls another member "yeobo". I don't remember exactly the people involved and I can't find it rn but I'm pretty sure they both were from the maknae line

I would say this is just them being affectionate to each other and nothing else

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4 hours ago, persuasions said:

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actually the verb is used as slow down for a machine not a person as rm did. And with yoongi talking about having a eating disorder cause he is in love or obsessed with a girl color me unimpressed. At least Yoongi did not sing parts of it again in 2020 and considered it good lyrics and legacy

 

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This has been discussed a lot already, but I have to explain: "to retard" is a verb (a word that express an action) of latin origins that simply means "slow down (someone or something)". It's used a lot in romance languages (such as spanish, portuguese, etc.) in that way, as romance languages come from latin. English is also influenced by latin, although not as much as the languages I mentioned.

The r slur is a noun (a word that describes someone or something). The verb form of it precedes the noun (slur) version of it, therefore it has nothing to do with the slur (other than the verb form being the origin of the slur form).

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/retardo#Latin

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Verb

retard (third-person singular simple present retards, present participle retarding, simple past and past participle retarded)

1. (transitive) To keep delaying; to continue to hinder; to prevent from progress

   retard the march of an army

   retard the motion of a ship

   Synonyms: impede, hinder, hold up

2. (transitive) To put off; to postpone.

   to retard the attacks of old age

   to retard a rupture between nations

3. (transitive, obsolete) To be slow or dilatory to perform (something).
4. (intransitive) To decelerate; to slow down.
5. (intransitive, obsolete) To stay back.

5.  

Synonyms

• (keep delaying; continue to hinder): decelerate, hinder, slow, slow down; See also Thesaurus:hinder
• (postpone): postpone, put off; See also Thesaurus:procrastinate
• (slow to perform): reluctant
• (decelerate): decelerate, slow, slow down, slow up
• (stay back): hang back, stay back; See also Thesaurus:tarry

Antonyms

• (keep delaying; continue to hinder): accelerate, speed, speed up
• (postpone):
• (stay back): come forward

Derived terms

• retarded

I understand if you're neurodivergent and feel unconfortable by the usage of the word even in its verb form, though. I know that its usage isn't common in english outside of the slur and seeing it being used now might feel like using "gay" to mean "happy" nowadays. But I just want you to know that saying the r slur was likely not RM's intention (especially considering that the sentence wouldn't make sense at all if that was the case).

3 hours ago, Baby_Lion said:

I have just realized that the original BTS lineup was full of problematic people: Supreme boi, Iron and Kidoh. And I have a feeling that if this lineup made it to the debut, RM can turned into one of them too. Glad that BTS debut with the 7 final lineup members. 

There was also illevn. If my memory doesn't fail me, he is the least problematic of the bunch but he also was jailed for drug possession. He is also bi, IIRC?

Sometimes I wonder if Dear My Friend and the other times Suga mentioned having a "friend" who ended up being in jail for drug possession were about him.

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4 hours ago, satoori said:

Nope, they shifted before that. BTS debuted in June of 2013. They shifted their image about a year+ later. In 2015. 

They were called out mid 2016. Most of the claims were so-so. Eventually a statement and an apology was released that year too. (cr.)

I'm... not sure why you are being clowned? I mean, this is the truth, no sugarcoating.

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