Which male idols do you think are gay?

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6 minutes ago, tafattsbarn said:

I think only like 10-15 seconds leaked though, you must've listened to a looped version 

Hmm maybe, others are saying RM is in it too. If anyone wants to hear it, TWICETANKED on twitter posted it.

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19 hours ago, chuuerys said:

What's everyone's consensus on taekook? It amazes me how they have so many shippers that believe they're in a relationship for sure however I don't see it.. taekookers are litch rally the modern day larry shippers

Lol well I guess I'll bite? Personally I never got the hype over taekook and I definitely don't get the hype over it now when imo it's pretty clear they're not that close anymore (I thought that even before in the soop was released). I think they just drifted apart. They do have a shit ton of tinhatters though (back when I was visiting this thread more frequently, before onehallyu was inactive for a long time, there were some tinhatters in this thread too), I already mentioned how they were freaking out after what Chris Martin said about My Universe (and now it turns out it's a OT7 collab lol). That said, jikook have also many tinhatters. I feel bad for Jungkook, being in the middle of the two biggest tinhat ships in the BTS fandom. I can't imagine how they reacted when he got in that dating scandal.

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16 minutes ago, chuuerys said:

yeahh I've noticed they have drifted apart- and ik a few ppl will disagree but I can't help but wonder if them seeing all the shippers made them uncomfortable and interact way less..yh it's a... thought and I hope that isn't the case at all but idk. I find it crazy how they still have so many 'believers'. even after taehyung told a shipper on weverse to pretty much stop being delusional, they're out here bending over backwards saying it was a mistranslation.. like no melissa, get off the poor boys' backs!

Tbh I don't think it's because of the shippers bc jikook shippers are also very rabid and they also have tinhatters, even on the Korean side. Although taekook is still more popular and maybe this is more about how Taehyung reacts to shippers. But ultimately I think they just drifted apart. I've seen what he said on weverse and it couldn't be more blatant but shippers won't ever be discouraged. I wasn't in the fandom when Jungkook got into that dating scandal so I don't know how they reacted but I saw a comment a couple of days ago on knetizen saying basically that if Jungkook or Taehyung ever get into a dating scandal the y/n fans will be mad for a while and then they'll eventually get over it (or become full on antis) but shippers will become even more delusional and create their own conspiracy theories. Which I can see happen tbh, happened to larries as well.

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People "read too much into" Taekook because of their shippers, it's as simple as that. They're the ones who have made it difficult to discuss their relationship in the first place. Like yeah, jikook shippers have become insane too, but taekook shippers are still worse. Just now they're freaking out about Taehyung and Jungkook sharing a car (do they think they're going to fuck in the car or something lmao) and spreading lies that they'll share a room (BTS haven't shared a room overseas in years). It's impossible to talk about their relationship normally because it has become Larry 2.0. 

As for "doing everything to cancel shippers"... lmao. Sorry I find people who spend hours overanalyzing a relationship that is only seen via cameras between two real people weird as hell. Especially when it often reeks of fetishism. I have no patience for RPF shippers, no matter who is involved. Kpop feeds into it a lot, but that's not an excuse for the way people talk about these real people.

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11 hours ago, TaeBunny77 said:

Sorry for sounding rude but  there are 2 pages of "which male idols do you actully think are straight'' just go to twitter and discuss it there  

It's funny bc stan twitter thinks everyone in kpop is gay. Obviously there are those y/n posts or heteronormative posts but my experience, especially with male groups, is that stan twitter will think everyone is gay and there are plenty of tweets with a lot of interactions re: male idols being gay.

50 minutes ago, pokezuko said:

soobin x q was probably never real to begin with (though fun to follow)

BUT about this rumor...

 this woman is a crazy sasaeng that even made a rumor that soobin got her pregnant. theres been an attempt on kpop twitter to finally take her down.

Allegedly people pay her to spread rumors, talk about a whole new level of joblessness. 

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I had no clue Vernon listened to Sophie! That's very cool.

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15 hours ago, temiiro said:

Well here's the thing. Even i could create an acc, go on twt and say that i am a sasaeng and that idk, jungkook has secretly been planning his marriage with a carboard cutout of rm or something. Write it in korean and people will believe it even more - it's ok if you don't know korean, use google translate, and chances are that some international fans will eat it up.

 

This is sooo true. There's also a thing where people say "korean fans know everything! they just keep it hidden from international fans!". Come on now. There will be some fans who know stuff bc they hang out with sasaeng fans or they're able to look up rumors in Korean but the large majority of them are in the same position as international fans when it comes to gossip.

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2 hours ago, najaemin said:

 

 

Idols fOR sure can queerbait imo, because they are selling a fictional version of themselves. It gets weird because yeah they are real life people but this is purposeful. Companies know fans ship idols from time (h.o.t) and it does drive some sales. 

I agree, I find it weird when people say "real people can't queerbait" when talking about idols. We all know idols have specific personas that they present to the world, they can very much queerbait like fictional characters can. 

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3 hours ago, mari0408 said:

and this is not the first time key has kept male pronouns in his covers. in 2013, he covered lady gaga’s judas (along with hair) and he kept the male pronouns. he also sang kesha’s tik tok in 2011, where he sang “boys tryna touch my junk” and then proceeded to smack his own butt lmao ooh young kibum was so out there for the time and people just brushed it off as eccentricity. he knows english and he knows what he is singing. he’s been like this for a while and some people are only starting to notice. somehow things that would be blown up and viral if another idol did it is just brushed off with him for some reason. kshawol twitter was running in circles interpreting the lyrics to this song and many were amazed that he was brave enough to do this on public broadcast. yea. it is the first time he did it for broadcast. his other covers were never officially added to any concert dvds. his conscience decision to change “b*tch you lie” into “boy you lie” and not change any pronouns is just *chef’s kiss*

Key benefits a lot from:

1) SHINee debuting when kpop wasn't yet that big internationally and

2) Shawols are mostly an older fandom and are more mature than other kpop fandoms.

Can't imagine if someone from, say, Stray Kidz did all this stuff now. It would definitely blow up. There are all kinds of things that happened in the late 00s, early to mid 10s that would have a very different reaction nowadays. Remember when GD liked that power bottom post on ig lol

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15 hours ago, Lolly21 said:

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Unrelated, but as a former directioner lol, believe me, the whole Larry Stylinson was a complete mess. It really ruined the vibe in the group between Louis and Harry. Louis had (they are still together I think but have broken up a few times) a girlfriend called Eleanor and "fans" were calling her a beard all the time, screaming that and posting all kinds of things. It was so immature. At least they don't have to deal with that anymore... 

 

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Anymore? Oh I wish. Larries are still very active (in fact I think they're more delusional now because a lot of them are new larries who became shippers after 1D disbanded so they don't get to witness Harry and Louis's interactions in real life, as there aren't any, but they only see the embellished parts). Just recently they got all mad because Harry said Watermelon Sugar is about the female orgasm.

 

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I don't think anyone who speaks English can't see through him but I wonder where his popularity stands with Korean fans and what do they think of him.

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17 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

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Honestly from the moment he was in the public eye, I assumed he wasn't straight. His interaction with some guys was not standard for anyone from south Europe       ( they have a form of skinship as well), it went beyond that. And his guys only Ibiza trips were there was no women around, was odd as well. And most of his friends were known to be gay and were seen in many clubs. So this is why everyone just assumed he is Bi and moves along. Interesting part about him is that he comes from a religious/traditional background and he is very close with his mother. This is why I don't think he will ever confirm his bi side and he shouldn't have to. But it would be a big representation for any young gay fan of his. 

This is not the place to discuss Ronaldo, but I wanted say there are many similarities between his live and kpop idols behaviour and motives as to why they won't come out. 

 

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Well he's also facing a civil lawsuit for raping a woman, which he allegedly admitted to in e-mails to his lawyers.

 

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Well considering she has a boyfriend now and even has couple tattoos with him it's safe to say she's not a lesbian lol.

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Bi maybe but why get matching tattoos if you're gay and even in the closet? Bearding is understandable but getting matching tattoos doesn't fit the narrative imo. Besides all this speculation is just based on her looks, ultimately we don't know anything about her.

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Jaehyun's drama sounds stupid as fuck but hey I guess it's progress even though it comes in the form of teacher-student/het reincarnation?

15 hours ago, aligning-stars said:

 

vmin made a whole song regarding their relationship, no closeted queer couple would do that. what's even weirder is that the song they wrote based on their relationship was allowed, but the Christmas song wasn't? so the song they wrote is less gay than the Christmas song, which they didn't write. 

the whole soulmate thing is obviously a good marketing strategy that hybe jumped on. 

people think taekook is real because taehyung has said that he likes jk the most in bts and taehyung helped jk out of his shell (which was 7-8 years ago, even if they were real in 2012/2013, it doesn't mean they are real rn )

people think jikook is real because of gcf (which was 4 years ago, even if they were real in the vid, it doesn't mean they are real rn) and because of its massive korean fanbase, so they rely on random things koreans say, even though there are definitely delusional fangirls in korea. 

there's also a bunch of 'jk is the girl in the relationship' ppl, namkookers are a big example of that. go on twitter and you'll see accs with 30k+ that ship namkook seriously 

ppl don't think its real bc hoseok is straight as fuckkk lmaoo

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You're right about jikook. I've seen so many Korean jikook shippers on tumblr and on twitter that interact with the international community, more than with any other BTS ship. We've already talked about this in the past but international fans have the tendency to think anything that comes from a Korean fan's mouth is the gospel truth. The amount of times that I've seen Korean jikook shippers say stuff like "the way Jimin and Jungkook talk to each other is JUST lke how couples talk to each other! Koreans were freaking out!!!" is crazy. It doesn't seem to occur to people that there are shippers and tinhats in Korea as well.

Agreed about namkook, the way people talk about them is just like how the majority of the fandom talks about jikook but with Jungkook in Jimin's position. The truth is that a lot of people in the international community talk about ships is based on their looks. Jungkook is built and has a toned body but RM is taller and bigger than him hence the role reversal. Shippers are shallow! As for Hoseok I don't necessarily think it's about him being straight or not (which I do think he is, but I also think Jungkook is straight and that's not a popular opinion) but about him not being very popular. Back in the day he was always the leftover in BTS fics.

 

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3 hours ago, SingulariV said:

I think it wasn't that unexpected from him. He often writes bittersweet letters on Weverse / Twitter. I was kinda wondering if he'd gone through a break-up, sounds lonely; or just hit very hard by identity loss because pandemic and BTS' new direction. All that talk about being 'only 28' and 'it takes time to be stable'. 

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but I feel RM has always had this conflicted side related to mental peace / health, he's got a lot of songs talking about it: Always, Voice, Reflection, Mono and then his letters in BV1 and BV2 where he calls himself 'also a strange person', or regrets that he will always be like this. He was once seen reading a book called 'highly sensitive people in an insensitive world' and also a Matt Haig book, that author writes a lot about dealing with depression and suicidal thoughts. 

Ofc course us LGBTQ+ people have higher rates of depression / mental health issues due to stress but it's hard to say from that alone.

On RM and BL Series, HYBE recently revealed some new webtoon (7 Fates Chacko)  it plans to also publish on Wattpad (?? Wattpad trying for an image change I guess) and apparently there was a leaked clip where he says something like 'it was strange, I felt like I had feelings for this man'. KArmys and some i-Armys have been mad about BH 'writing fanfic' and 'exploiting the boys', although it's hard to find those tweets because everyone is also mad about the NFT investments and some ship-war.  Guess we'll have to wait to see if it was legit. 

Would be interesting if it had some BL tones like Bangtan Universe Suga / JK, but looks like fans will react pretty badly.  

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Yeah I think RM's letter was more about BTS's current situation and maybe himself as an artist as well. Hybe is doing more and more things with BTS that have nothing to do with music and for someone like RM who's the most involved with BTS's music (never understood why Suga got that whole "BTS's producer" moniker when RM is all over BTS's music, even writing the others' solos, and barely got mention of that lol) it must be hard. He mentioned feeling disconnected from music because they don't have time to work on it since they have to film all kinds of non music stuff. He also seemed pretty depressed in his birthday live. Hopefully now with Run BTS going on a break and their upcoming tour he'll feel better. 

I think it's valid to be annoyed at that webtoon thing lol, bc it just sounds like a bad ao3 fanfic come to life. But I think the backlash was just bc it was yet another dumb thing from Hybe that no one wants.

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2 hours ago, Josaline said:

I don't know why but HYBE pushing ships so hard lately. Like, Hybe is literally making official fanfics w/ jikook, namkook ship on Wattpad. Fanmade fictions are one thing, it'!s called FANFICTION for a reason, but imagine a company trying to make money by using their artists as shipping tools, sexualizing them and what not. I think there was a negative reaction regarding the official fiction idea which led to Hybe deactivate/delete their wattpad account but they're prolly gonna post them anyway. Hybe really stooped this low for money.

 

It's crazy because you'd think that as they get more and more famous and as they realize that fans will eat everything they release up (see Butter and PTD's Billboard charting) they'd stop doing this stuff. Usually that's what happens when idols become more famous, they stop doing fan service bc they don't need to do it anymore (much like how BTS stopped doing close up dance practices, or Halloween dance practices). Yet with BTS it seems like it's the opposite. Like come on, that jikook hickey thing was included in the MOTS:ONE dvd for a reason. It's sad to see tbh.

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6 minutes ago, SingulariV said:

 

These boys have gone from people who simply say 'no' when someone asks them to kiss each other on the cheek, to people who kiss each other because fans love to see it, cling to each other to death.

I mean, right around the time Tae and Jin said no to the cheek kiss they were still doing So What shenanigans so more like they don't want to do it on demand for the cameras. I don't like HYBE's agenda but I think BTS isn't exactly opposed to it either, as chill guys who aren't homophobes. And honestly if there are LGBTQ+ members in BTS, I'd rather they normalise the idea even if the pairs are 'fake'

Also, again, I think fans are exaggerating how 'oppressed' BTS is and how much they're being exploited. This is their reaction to that Run BTS kiss:

 

 

Like at this point people just want to protect BTS from themselves?

I don't think anyone is saying BTS is being exploited, people are just wondering why they're still doing this sort of stuff in 2021 when they're so famous and popular that they don't need to do that. I'm not exactly sure what cheek kiss you're referring to (the Run BTS kiss?) but the So What shenanigans (or rather any concert stuff, Taehyung has done some similar stuff with Jungkook as well) is peak fan service lmao, especially since you do it literally in front of the fans. And then you have that Run BTS comment, which is proof that they do this sort of stuff (skinship essentially) because fans like it. My point is that I don't get why the company and the members are still doing it? I'm not saying everything they do is fan service but some things (Jikook hickey talk, Jimin getting all up in Jungkook's face in Memories 2020 etc) are clearly fs. There are two types of fan service idol groups do, y/n fan service and shipping fan service. They seem to have stopped the first one, especially since they no longer do fan signs, but they still do the latter for some reason.

Also I actually believe the Suran rumors too, the first time it was reported I thought it was a reach but the second time (with the Eight mess) I thought she was acting like a jaded ex girlfriend lmao so I think they prob had something.

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1 hour ago, SingulariV said:

Oh, people are. #FreeJungkook and #FreeTaehyung were trending. 

What I meant to say with that Run BTS clip was, fanservice / queerbait / skinship is not really forced on them. They're fine with it. In fact the times they seem to object are when it's forced on them or they're not doing it on their own terms.  

If you criticise fanservice and queerbait from an LGBTQ+ perspective, I get that. But a lot of these people protesting don't seem to be in good faith. It's about how 'disgusting' it is, how they must be feeling 'violated' as straight, 'normal' guys etc. A lot of these 'don't assume' people just don't want to pick up on queercoding. People were twisting themselves into pretzels about how the Jikook 'hickey' wasn't fanservice, but also wasn't gay, it's all just 'dirty-minded' fans. 

Honestly, I too wonder why BTS does it, it's a bit of a vexed question. The cynical explanation is commercial benefit and illusion of availability, like it's an 'innocent romance' (because it'll go nowhere) that still shows them in a romantic light, but non-cynically it's also a way to attract an LGBTQ+ audience. Y/N fs is potentially more dangerous for them maybe? Like sasaengs etc.

Yes, the Eight letters for me too were sus, she seemed genuinely hurt by something in the past. 

People who trended those hashtags were akgaes and in a way I guess I get their point because the Jikook/Taekook fights are so damn unbearable. I already said this once but while I have sympathy for all three people involved whenever there's a fanwar going on, I have the most sympathy for Jungkook who is in the middle of two ships with larry-like tinhatters. Akgaes hate all members except for their own but there's always more tension when it comes to jikook and taekook because their shippers are probably the most deranged in kpop.

I'm definitely in the cynical viewpoint. Bringing up LGBTQ media, openly talking about LGBTQ issues or supporting the community is the kind of "fan service" that I can see being for the LGBTQ audience. Doing skinship with other members is not imo, especially when you consider that many shippers, especially in Korea, are straight women.

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10 hours ago, yelloww said:

What happened the second time ?

You can read it here: https://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2020/05/enter-talk-whats-up-with-suran-and-suga.html. Essentially when Eight was released she posted a screenshot of it on her ig and it was on the exact same spot as the screencap Suga posted on twitter but the lyrics didn't match up and the lyrics on her screenshot seem a bit too pointed lol it just seems like a typical ex girlfriend behaviour to me.

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I feel like I worded myself badly in my post considering the clowns I got lol. Basically at 1:07, the time where both Suran and Suga screenshot Eight, there are no actual lyrics (it's just IU going ooh-ooh-ooh) but the lyrics on Suran's screenshot are from another part and they seem pretty pointed to me, and apparently on Melon you can scroll through the lyrics while the song is playing on. This is why people took notice of her post, if the lyrics had matched to the time stamp I doubt anyone would have cared.

10 minutes ago, Josaline said:

I also think that Suran always acts like a bitter ex. Once you do it, we can call it a coincidence. But as this drags on and on, I guess it has to be admitted that it was more than a coincidence lol

Exactly, the first time the dating rumors were around I thought they were a reach but the Eight thing was a bit funny to me. 

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11 hours ago, Josaline said:

I really wonder how many times we have to correct this... It's pretty clear that Tae isn't talking about to the shippers. Please stop twisting his words. He was just joking with his own sense of humor with the fan who said she was dreaming of Jungkook. And it wasn't the first time he had said something like this.

 

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But if you're wondering why Taehyung and Jungkook's on-camera interactions suddenly dwindled and Jikook was being promoted, that's another topic of discussion. I think Big Hit's initial enlistment plan was to send the group in two parts. They will send Jin, Suga, RM, and Tae first, 3J would be a unit while they were in the army. That's why they're particularly focused on promoting 3J, which would be stupid not to notice. They've been pretty open about it over the last few years. I think it is clear that Jikook is the only ship in this small unit that can feed the shippers. I don't know if their plans have changed because of the pandemic, but I think we will find out in a year.

 

I completely disagree about both parts of your comments, but I will not touch the Taehyung comment because I don't want to open that can of worms. About the second part of your comment, I don't think Big Hit has ever planned on splitting the group when it comes to enlistment. Big Hit has been pushing the OT7 agenda for a while now, which includes restricting any kind of solo or even unit activities. If you split the group into two it will be at least four years until the group is whole again. While there will still be some profit from unit activities, it wouldn't compare from the profit from OT7 activities, especially touring (also I think the whole 3J promotion is a bit exaggerated). I actually have a theory, based on an offhand comment from a Run BTS behind video, that they're all enlisting together next year,  probably after the Grammys. It's either that or Jin goes or they're exempted because Jin can't keep delaying his enlistment anymore. I can't see them accepting the exemption because it would cause a lot of backlash.

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spoiled because it's getting a lil off topic from the gay but from what i've seen from knetz and karmys they've generally been getting lots of support in terms of exemption??? like i've seen people say if sports stars can get exemption why can't bts considering their cultural impact (unless i'm only seeing a small fraction and they are getting lots of hate for it, but i haven't heard of that. the only hate i've seen is from international kpop stans but they're kind of unimportant lmao). i do agree with pretty much everything else though and think they'll enlist anyway because jin did say they'll go when they're called

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I think it's really hard to gauge public sentiment when it comes to this. And of course we can't generalize the entire Korean public. But I saw someone on reddit link to a famous YouTuber who did a video on why BTS shouldn't get an exemption and it got over a million views (back then, don't know how many it has now because I forgot his name lol) and people were agreeing with him. So if they get exempted there will be a bigger reaction compared to if they go. Perhaps Big Hit would prefer it to play it safe (ironically enough if they enlisted last year when they had to postpone the MOTS tour they'd be done by the time they could safely tour again; at the same time 2020 was their biggest year yet and they gained a lot of fans with Dynamite). Either way we'll see if my theory is right after the Grammys. I understand where Big Hit is coming from but I can't help but feel a bit sorry for maknae line lol.

Tbh I actually completely understand the exemption arguments. I'm not saying this because I'm a huge BTS fan (I'm not lol) but they contribute a lot to South Korean economy and they're obviously on a bigger level, sales/touring wise (they're one of the few artists in the world who can pull off a stadium tour), compared to other kpop artists. I don't really understand why Son Heungmin got exempted by winning at the Asian Games when it's not even that big of a tournament and quite frankly it's not like Spurs are doing well in the Premier League either. And yet BTS can't. I don't really get the argument here. But ultimately I'm not Korean so my opinion doesn't matter and neither does the opinion of international kpop fans.

 

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2 hours ago, Josaline said:

I think Big Hit was indeed planning to enlist them in two parts before the pandemic, but the pandemic may have changed those plans. Because recently, according to reports and estimates from industry insiders, Big Hit seems to let them all go to the military together. That's why this year they chose to release only songs targeting the Grammys. Because the Grammy seems like the ultimate goal of both BTS and Big Hit. Jin got time until December 2023, by then I think they will push the Grammys. Also, I think you underestimate the potential of 3J. This mini group consists of the three members who have the potential to become a unit the most in the group. All three are great dancers, all three are extremely professional at their jobs and all three have a huge stage presence. Just Jungkook's existence means 1 million album sales in advance. The three of them together could easily sell 3 million albums. They can also tour, thanks to Jungkook's presence. The three of them also get along very well. J-Hope gets along well with both and Jikook's ship has grown a lot thanks to Big Hit's endless promotions. This is a unit that can attract not only solos, but also shippers. Also, when the other four come back, it could be a great unit again with two vocalists and two rappers. Also in this unit, there is a member like Taehyung who can bring million album sales alone. I think Big Hit will win in both scenarios.

I see where you're coming from but while units would do very well (especially any unit with maknae line in them), OT7 will still bring more profit in the bigger picture. I don't see a unit selling out a stadium tour while the entire group definitely can. It feels like it would be a waste in Big Hit's eyes to not send them all together.

46 minutes ago, plutto said:

 

I believe one of the reason why Vmin have gotten always with so many things is because they always draw the line, saying they're best friends and that's it. Meanwhile, Jikook kind of leaves it in the open for example. All of that and of course the fact that Jimin and Taehyung are more on the "feminine" side and bc of that shippers can't find a heteronormative way of shipping them together, as people have adressed some pages ago.

Jimin has said he sees Jungkook as his real life little brother many times (most recently he said "the hyungs all think Jungkook is my real life little brother" but tinhatters of course interpreted that completely differently). I don't think Jungkook feels any need to say the same because the way he speaks about Jimin or Taehyung is exactly the same as he speaks about the other members, they're all grouped as his hyungs, although he has called Taehyung his friend in the latest Festa content. But shippers will ignore anything that goes against the narrative they have in their minds. And like the person above me has said, ever since the image change Taehyung went through in late 2019/early 2020 he's seen as the more masculine one in taekook. Temember someone coming in this thread a couple of weeks ago wondering why people don't talk more about Jungkook's "dainty" mannerisms? That's the newest narrative in the fandom. Because of Jungkook's image, his tattoos and muscles, there's an opposing side that emphasizes his feminine traits.

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1 hour ago, peaches said:

 

People also need to back off on the whole narrative that taehyung doesn’t like fanservice and is awkward with jungkook which is why there is no taekook interactions. While it is true taehyung doesn’t do a lot of thing hybe tells him to he still enjoys these moments when he wants to. While taekook interactions decreased in the official content most of taekook interactions we got happened in concerts. Anpanman, dna and bwl were all known to be “taekook songs”. The hugging, caressing, kissing, dick touching all happened in the last 3 years live in front of fans so this whole taekook is awkward narrative in in the soop hybe and some shippers wants to push doesn't fit the picture. 

That's got nothing to do with whether they're close or not. Taehyung and Jin are all over each other during So What but they barely interact outside of it. Why even take concert interactions seriously? That's peak fan service, fans are literally right there in the audience and there's no one but them doing their thing. Fans can't blame editing or the unknown PD if their faves don't interact.

I don't really understand where this entire Taekook not being close anymore conspiracy theory even comes from. Jungkook barely knew the name of Taehyung's song in a Run BTS episode (and Taehyung was visibly upset about it), he barely knew what Sweet Night was, Taehyung thought Still With You was recently released etc. He went through a personality change and their dynamic visibly changed. Why is it so hard to believe they might not be as close as they used to be? No one's saying they hate each other now.