Which male idols do you think are gay?

[baekjoong]

4 hours ago, Aryu said:

Oh girl don't get me started. As Chika Chika has already pointed out where we talked about this in the past, all I can add is- this man is so confusing to me. I think part of it is how dedicated he is to his (now extremely successful, isn't he like number 1 in China) career, especially as he started later. 

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Apparently before debut, his parents wanted to buy him and his then gf a full on house, but she left to go abroad and they broke up. Then XZ made the whole switch to entertainment even though he literally already had a career as a graphic designer after graduating from univerisity. So he's not the usual idol/actor case, he had a whole life before entertainment.  I don't know what motivated him to do that, maybe singing was his life long dream and he finally pursued it, maybe he wanted a less conventional path. I get the feeling his parents wanted him to settle down and marry, and now he's conveniently way too busy for any of that...

Yibo and him are convenient to analyze because you can see how XZ reacts to Yibo being...very clingy. There are some BTS where they pretty much openly flirt, but it is also part of the role and XZ actually left for Japan due to 'character bleed' afterwards (he said this in an interview), so it's not certain whether he himself actually felt a type of way about a guy (Yibo), or if that was his character coming through.

Now, after the whole fanfiction scandal, XZ is so incredibly guarded; he is on the one hand very genuine and charming, but also a total stone wall. It's a very interesting paradox, if I'm honest, and part of why I like and root for him. 

 

Ah, don't remind me. I was devastated when that scandal broker out. I knew exactly what would happen in its aftermath, and that's what happened. They're avoiding each other now. Sigh...Xiao zhan always looked like a confused puppy. He should have needed a LOT more, undisturbed time to come to terms with everything. This probably pushed him so far back into the closet that he's in Narnia now..sigh...ah, I'm sighing too much...it's just too sad. Yibo was just so obvious back then, and their chemistry was, whoa. 

Now, all we can hope is, he doesn't panic and marry a girl too fast and regret it later, and ultimately causing her pain too. He probably needs a few more years to assimilate his thoughts, and if he's bi, like I suspect he is, chances are, he might never act on his thoughts on the same sex.  

 

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4 hours ago, Eremit said:

I have no clue what the deal is with Bogum and Tae but just wanted to say, I don't think Jungkook has a particular problem with him? There was an airport video where they had a pretty comfortable looking, friendly interaction. I just think they can get awkward when they have to interact with real life friends on camera and wouldn't read too much into it. Having famous friends means that the line between promo and private friendship gets probably blurred a lot, so maybe they occasionally don't know how to act in a specific moment.

Thank you! I don't know, but I'm getting creeped out by both Jikook and Vkook fans making Jungkook out to be this jealous, controlling monster who goes into a rage at the slightest sign of socialization from his lovers. That's not how relationships work. These people are in a field that requires interactions and socializing, and... whoa, no words at all. If he was the person these people make him out to be, then the relationship is extremely toxic and abusive. I really wish women, especially young women, understand this, so they don't romanticize control and possessiveness. Neither is right in a loving, equal relationship, and that's what every relationship should be (Equal), regardless of age difference or sexuality. 

12 hours ago, sisterkarina said:

My theory is that PBG 'broke up' with Tae (or told him his feelings towards him) before he went to that concert. And somewhat they made up as friends later. But just my theory.

Well, that's an interesting theory, but Tae was smiling enough, so I don't think there was any animosity there at all. But, if they did make up as friends later (as seen on June 2019, at PBG's birthday), I wonder what happened after that. They were everywhere together. Tae mentioned Bogum in interviews and vice versa, and all of a sudden, radio silence. Tae didn't even wish PBG when he left for the military. It's weird. 

So maybe, it was a 'breaking up' of sorts, and it happened in June, and not April, when the Bangtan bomb was filmed (I think).  

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21 hours ago, Aryu said:

Yea sure! It's right here:

The title is ship-y but it's really just that short scene where XZ is obviously not happy about the waist comment and Yibo jumps in calling the interviewer out for focusing on his waist and not his face lmao. 

Yes totally agree on that. XZ is for sure the more conservative one. I heard that comment about Yibo's makeup as well. It's in this video:

But they both kinda just sound like they're teasing another again, so I wouldn't really count it as an actual discussion on the matter. But if I had to guess which one is more accepting of something like gender fluidity, for sure Yibo. He's also a big girl group fan, especially YG (BlackPink and 2NE1).

Speaking of Yibo...wtf was he doing here

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Yibo making that face is what my night terrors look like wtf wtf 

 

Maybe we were wrong all along? Stumbled across this video while trying to look for Yibo and Xiao Zhan's shared bodyguard vid (remember that one that protected XZ and not Yibo? lol), but yeah, saw this vid, and my first thought was, "Bullshit, this looks weird", read through the comments, and yeah found more resources. Was upset for like 1 hour or so, but I looking back, it doesn't look like Xiao Zhan's uncomfortable, but wow. Let me assimilate my thoughts and come back and type coherent sentences. In the mean time, maybe you can look at these and tell your thoughts? 

More: 

https://curiouscat.qa/steyr/post/1165142171

https://lujuba.cc/en/259973.html

Ok, I'm gonna stop. I'll sift through the comments in that video and find that one with more vids. Half of these are anti or non-fan accounts, but nowadays, we cant expect reliable information from actual fans, so...

Xiao Zhan was my bias, and I took a step back because I couldn't handle the backlash he received, so I always paid attention to only him, and not much to Yibo. I don't know how I missed this (I watched too much shipper content and failed to notice the rest, I guess). Apparently, Xiao Zhan was in big productions (Jade lover, etc), before Untamed got famous, and that's why people are sure he has a backer. Maybe I should put this in a spoiler? 

But the Wang Liwei guy acts all nice and stuff, and not like a typical predator, so I dunno what to think. 

 

[baekjoong]

4 minutes ago, Aryu said:

Ok this is actually very interesting, although I'm not sure I'm understanding it the way you are, so let me go through this - XZ sued his old company (or something like that?) due to an unfavorable contract and tried to start his own studio but lost the case. Along the way he met this Wang Liwei guy who basically supports XZ's career as it has obviously taken off and XZ's raking in the money now.

This video is actually super informative - anyone interested in the business side of entertainment should watch it. I have to say that I really respect XZ for all his risky moves - dropping his graphic designer career to take part in a singing show, becoming an idol, then an actor, trying to sue his company and create his own studio (doesn't he actually have his own now?). I know we often paint him as this fragile man but he certainly is savvy in his own way.

This Wang Liwei though...idk, isn't it a bit odd that he really acts like a bodyguard despite being more of an investor? Why not hire an actual bodyguard?? One way or the other I think they clearly have a thriving business relationship. XZ is not a lone rock in the ocean, he has managers, investors, mentors, etc. I don't see what this has to do with Yibo either? Or were you not implying that?

Technically, Yibo and XZ are almost rivals, as they are young male actors and performers. Let's not forget the business side of things here. There's a LOT of money riding on both their names. Whether to not they text each other or even meet up in private is a separate matter.

I have to say though, that this is a ship now is hilarious af to me  XZ get those men babe

Actually, that would be fine if this guy came in after Untamed. But if you look at the comments, you'll see that this guy was there around Xiao Zhan from around the time of Untamed. A commentor posted more pics and vids of these two. And his studio belongs to this guy's company I think, and XZ lives in the house this guy owns. 

Either way, you're right, they're both rivals, and my conclusion is that, Xiao Zhan is probably not as 'into the closet' as we thought, and maybe we read everything wrong, and they were just trying to clean his image coz, you know, they need to make him a huge star, and they need a straight image for that. 

Ahhh...I really wish XZ reciprocated YB's feelings though, that boy was whipped.

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23 minutes ago, Chika Chika said:

 

Okie so I read through the long articles and even watched the video.

What people [Chinese fans] are implying is that it's weird how suddenly this Wang Liwei walks into xz's life [they met before the untamed] and suddenly xz became so famous was able to start his own studio and also able to get rid of unwanted contracts. It's very odd. The man in the Youtube video mentioned that it's the entertainment industry and that one person's profit can benefit another person but fans are not seeing this as a romantic ship more of like a creepy ship. This man is literally everywhere. He seems to help Xiao Zhan a little too much. Or maybe it's not a creepy ship and they really have a good relationship [we will never know]. I just felt it very odd.

I want to put this picture here, look at it closely and remember what Zhan is wearing and know that this Liwei guy is sitting behind him.

http://p1-tt-ipv6.byteimg.com/large/pgc-image/46db4dae799641649cf206047fc2f5c5?from=detail&index=2

 Now look at this YouTube video. In this video's very first clip you will see two hands adjusting Zhan's jacket. It looks almost affectionate and very fond. It is the same jacket Zhan is wearing in the picture meaning the person adjusting his jacket was Liwei. I don't know why I am adding this detail here but I thought that if someone like Yibo were to do this then it would be a big discussion about Yibo showing his love for Zhan.

However in one article they were talking about the court case and he had to tell the court where he lives and he said that he lives in house that is leased out to him and it belongs to a Wang XX, The XX was kept a secret on the internet for privacy reasons. Some people immediately connected it to Wang Yibo but some speculated that the Wang XX is not Yibo but Wang Liwei which makes more sense.

So to some fans it looks like they are dating cause this man seems to be everywhere and helping him almost too much and to other fans it looks almost creepy. I saw some fans mention some nasty things but I won't put it here in detail

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Yes this does not include Yibo at all but somehow I think it is very weird that this man seems to follow him around like a bodyguard and does not act like a shareholder of the company.

 

23 minutes ago, Chika Chika said:

 

Okie so I read through the long articles and even watched the video.

What people [Chinese fans] are implying is that it's weird how suddenly this Wang Liwei walks into xz's life [they met before the untamed] and suddenly xz became so famous was able to start his own studio and also able to get rid of unwanted contracts. It's very odd. The man in the Youtube video mentioned that it's the entertainment industry and that one person's profit can benefit another person but fans are not seeing this as a romantic ship more of like a creepy ship. This man is literally everywhere. He seems to help Xiao Zhan a little too much. Or maybe it's not a creepy ship and they really have a good relationship [we will never know]. I just felt it very odd.

I want to put this picture here, look at it closely and remember what Zhan is wearing and know that this Liwei guy is sitting behind him.

http://p1-tt-ipv6.byteimg.com/large/pgc-image/46db4dae799641649cf206047fc2f5c5?from=detail&index=2

 Now look at this YouTube video. In this video's very first clip you will see two hands adjusting Zhan's jacket. It looks almost affectionate and very fond. It is the same jacket Zhan is wearing in the picture meaning the person adjusting his jacket was Liwei. I don't know why I am adding this detail here but I thought that if someone like Yibo were to do this then it would be a big discussion about Yibo showing his love for Zhan.

However in one article they were talking about the court case and he had to tell the court where he lives and he said that he lives in house that is leased out to him and it belongs to a Wang XX, The XX was kept a secret on the internet for privacy reasons. Some people immediately connected it to Wang Yibo but some speculated that the Wang XX is not Yibo but Wang Liwei which makes more sense.

So to some fans it looks like they are dating cause this man seems to be everywhere and helping him almost too much and to other fans it looks almost creepy. I saw some fans mention some nasty things but I won't put it here in detail

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Yes this does not include Yibo at all but somehow I think it is very weird that this man seems to follow him around like a bodyguard and does not act like a shareholder of the company.

Yup, now you can see why I was so upset. That Youtuber sugar coated things too much, but you know, I'm almost 30, and my rose tinted glasses fell off a long time ago, and this is the freaking entertainment industry. If this relationship happened after the untamed, it would almost be fine, because Xiao Zhan is an income generating 'asset' in terms of business, as of now. But before the untamed? He got both Jade Dynasty and Untamed when he was an idol in a not so well-known group under a company that doesn't care enough to promote him? 

Whoa, I'm really sad, though he doesn't look uncomfortable, so maybe it isn't that creepy? This guy has a wife (a famous actor's daughter), so their relationship (if any) is not something to celebrate. 

Why would someone with strong ties in the industry, and obviously, a lot of money, follow around a single artist, no matter how big he is now? Why does he act like his bodyguard? This is China, and the Elite don't behave like this in China. Ahh, weird. 

Can you point me to the Chinese fan comments? I just looked at the English comments, I couldn't find a Chinese video with the same content. 

Yeah...fans are mostly young kids, and while they're busy speculating about their favorite OTP, maybe something else is happening in the background, and probably can't even perceive that reality. 

I wonder if we got any audition stories of Xiao Zhan, like we did with Yibo. Either way, no matter what's happening, I hope there's no coercion anywhere, though relationships of this nature are rarely without their power imbalances. 

Edit: Just found this 

http://prntscr.com/15ii35k

Well, that makes me feel a little better. At least there is no cheating going on, whew. 

But I don't know what these companies are. Are they huge? I'll just guess that they are (from the OPs tone), and yup, someone like that shouldn't act like a bodyguard. 

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2 minutes ago, Chika Chika said:

Exactly him living in that guys house, that guy following him around everywhere. 

It looks to me that I could be wrong in thinking that xz is still figuring himself out and that he is new to these feelings.

I think you're right, I mean he is almost 30. He probably knows what he likes and what he doesn't. He is not completely unaware of lgbtq topics and maybe you're right he is maybe not that into the closet as we perceived him to be. He seems to be more bolder and clear headed. I also remember someone posting a blog post here about an interview with a chinese director who knows many actors and he was asked about actors who are gay or bisexual and he said 'there are actually some very famous ones who like men and it is known in the industry but we just don't talk about it'

Yup, almost 30. He had a flourishing career, and he left that, along with marriage plans (his parents bought him a house, and in China, that means they were getting ready for marriage in the near future) to start a completely new, uncertain career. In Asia, that takes A LOT of guts, and guys who want to live a traditional life anyway wouldn't do this (not at his age, at least). This guy knew who he was all along. 

Yeah, it makes sense, especially if they're backed by people who have some clout in the industry. I mean, this guy's everywhere, and no one's raising any eyebrows. Maybe China just censors what's shown through their media, and in the background, things aren't much different from the western entertainment scene. 

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1 minute ago, Chika Chika said:

The screenshot you sent says 'Ex-son-in-law'. is he not married to that woman anymore?

Yup, looks like it, which makes me relieved. Whew. One less thing to worry about I guess. Married predators (I'm not saying this guy's one, he doesn't act like one) are the worst. 

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Just now, Chika Chika said:

But this makes it look more like he and zhan are together. LMAO.

Wouldn't the age difference be huge? 

LMAO, how did we get here from innocently shipping YB and XZ together?

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27 minutes ago, Chika Chika said:

See I'm not calling him a predator even though his actions do look very weird but you said married predators are bad but now he is an unmarried predator. 

 

Yes the weirdest thing is that he supported Zhan and went out of his way when zhan was not famous and from a company that did not support him. He is with zhan all the time. He does not leave his side. At that time Liwei was married now he isn't and also Zhan is speculated to be living in a house that Liwei owns and the way you put it that his parents were probably wanting to get him married by buying him a house. Wasn't it too early to try and get him married? He was probably like in between 22 to 24. Why were they wanting to get him settled so quickly?

At this point Zhan lookin more sus than Yibo lmao.

Umm, marriage at 22-24 is not realistic, even in China, so maybe they were buying it in advance, while they had the money saved up? 

Yeah yeah, doesn't that guy have a job lol, and a family (before he divorced). Following around an artist like that...no wonder fans thought he was a bodyguard.

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24 minutes ago, Bushi said:

Yeah, of course your sasaeng did. Because she's a total beacon of truth and light. And a pillar of society, being a sasaeng. A high rolling, aspirational career choice if ever there was. (Incoming fart sound.) 

And just happened to break her legendary 'code of silence' among sasaengs to tell Korea. 

Still, it's no worse than the last REALLY. STRONG. RUMOUR. when Taehyung ended up in tears after realising his beloved girlfriend was seeing another idol and the two males pretty much coming to blows. A bit like a K-drama, whoops. Or that he and the Golden Maknae spend their free time at abort!on clinics. 

And you think we're nuts in here?

 

LMAO. Kudos. 

 

32 minutes ago, Chika Chika said:

Imagine the girl coming back to talk to zhan to see if she still has a shot only to realize that he gay and never really liked girls? Lmao.

I'm just kidding but you never know. 

Hehe, true. From what I read in the earlier pages, that relationship never materialized into anything, and was still new when it fell apart, am I right? 

42 minutes ago, Exo-l since 2015 said:

This wang liwei guy seems like a guy who has to keep an eye on his assets and his most prized asset is xiao zhan. Kinda like those managers etc that you hear about In entertainment.

That's done by managers actually, not majority shareholders of productions that do way more than just what Xiao Zhan's involved in, don't you think? Anyway, it's all speculation, though I think we can stop thinking XZ has gone into Narnia because of the scandal.

 

2 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

Can I just say that the whole XZ and Yibo story became very interesting. I am not saying he has a sponser or sugar daddy, however from what I am reading from you guys it seems that XZ is being kept somehow. This is quite normal in Entertainment world , so I wouldn't be surprised  if that was the case with them . 

Quite interesting. Kept isn't how I would word it, though sponsor or backer isn't any more flattering to him. Ah well...sigh...he doesn't seem uncomfortable in any of the pics/vids though, so we might be completely wrong, or we might be right, and it's not creepy, who knows. 

34 minutes ago, Chika Chika said:

Xiao Zhan is being kept. In a way like? Like? What? I cannot disagree with you if you're implying that. 

What @baekjoong is saying makes sense. That man helping xz even when he was not famous, like literally his company treated him like shit. That youtuber said Liwei saw POTENTIAL in him. Lmao. 

Also divorced his wife. 

Probably saw some other potential in Zhan. Lol.

Zhan is literally living in a house Liwei owns.

I didn't even know about all of this until Baekjoong brought it up and it allooked makes sense too.

Here I was, watching Yizhan vids coz its been too long, and you guys reminded me of them again, and this is what I stumble upon. I just sat there, stunned, for about an hour lol. 

LMAO. Potential. What a load of c**p. There are 100s of aspiring actors with talent and pretty faces, and XZ was a complete nobody then. 

Yeah, I wonder when he divorced his wife. Earlier articles and fan accounts referred to his 'wife', now they're talking about 'ex-wife'. When did that change? 

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On 6/14/2021 at 8:46 AM, Dont mind me said:

The church he follows is publicly known as a weird sect. Also, what destroyed the politicians was because of their bribing, not because they were tied to a sect. Yes, SK has weird moral codes. So I am not surprised he doesn't get any backlash for his involvement in SK, this is normal for them. 

And I agree Tae is shy, but honestly he just seemed standoffish and didn’t really look like good friends. Even if he had trouble with his worlds mixing, that is not a standard reaction you give. But he that is just my interpretation of his physical behaviour. 

I mean, I get it. The cult argument is too strong, but I saw this: 

and well, his actions don't follow the 'teachings' of this cult, so I'm not 100% sold on the idea. But trust me, I did have strong doubts at the start, and still do at times, because it's rare to see a devout open-minded Christian, especially in this end of the world, since Christians here tend to take their religious beliefs to the NEXT level. But yeah, V was friends with him for 4 years, and the controversy broke in 2017, so I don't believe he would have continued if that was true. 

And well, the strongest argument for the cult is that they don't let their followers get treated at hospitals, but as the above tweet specifies, he has no problems going to hospitals, so I'm more inclined to believe that he's just a normal Christian. Now, the question is, are there really open-minded, self-loving, but also god-loving, gay, Asian Christians out there (too many tags?). 

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7 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

I don't understand how people infer from what I wrote that Jungkook is a controlling monster or that he is jealous? Maybe Jungkook didn't like him because of the cult Bogum was involved in, or maybe he felt that he was using Tae for some reason and acted like that out of his instinct to protect his friend? People need to stop tying everything to ship when they see Jungkook and Taehyung's name side by side. It's not all about the ship. The dynamic of the two friends also plays an important role in their relationship. Jungkook always says he feels like he's the older one and is more protective/helpful towards him. Since they are the youngest in the group ( and Jimin) they are very closely connected to each other.

Ah, I apologize if I misunderstood. I've read too many fan comments about "Tae is finally behaving" and dumb "sexist" stuff like that, and I just correlated that with your post I guess. 

9 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

I get were you coming from, but his church are really distuberd people. Questioning his connection to them is valid. This is an article about park bogum and the Jesus centered church. This is just a summary of what they stand for and what they have done. 

https://seoulbeats.com/2017/10/park-bo-gum-and-the-jesus-centered-church-whats-the-problem/

As to the cult question, there are a number of red flags raised by the Jesus Centered Church. Firstly, it’s worth noting that the Jesus Centered Church is rather widely considered to be a cult, including by the Churches in Korea. But the largest two concerns, and by far the biggest red flags, are the supposed healing miracles that the Jesus Centered Church claims to deliver and the idea that Lee Cho-seok can talk to the devil. In order to heal those afflicted by “the devil” and deliver a miracle, there first has to be an afflicted victim. These are often the vulnerable — historically those who are outcast, have physical, mental or social differences, or those such as children who cannot defend against accusations. When believers become more radical, we see more extreme cases of torment. In 2012, in Boseong, three children were found dead, with police alleging their father, a pastor, beat and starved them to death to

Then there is the healing. These supposedly miraculous events include the curing of cancer, curing a “crippled” woman unable to move her neck and lower back, the curing of a child’s leg, and supposedly, enabling a woman who previously needed an oxygen tank to be mysteriously free of it. The promotion of false remedies and healing is extremely dangerous, as it often leads those who are ill to refuse genuine medical treatment in favor of faith healing. In terminal cases, this is of course followed by death. These claims again take advantage of vulnerable people who are already at a low point in their life, often with serious, sometimes terminal illnesses. It’s a deliberate and calculated attempt to gain easy followers desperate to believe, and willing to throw money and power behind a leader to make miracles happen.

This is distasteful enough on its own, but again it is especially harmful when children and minors become involved. If parents and guardians believe in spiritual medicine, the child has no legal power to protect themselves. Internationally, a number of children continue to die every year from so-called “faith healing” at the expense of contemporary medical treatment, such as the case of the Pennsylvania couple charged for refusing to seek medical treatment for their child this year. Worse still, as in the case of the exorcisms, sometimes the treatment itself can be the cause of death, such as the Boseong case.

Another red flag, found on the website of the Jesus Centered Church, is the prioritization of Lee Cho-seok as the focal point. While Park has brought the church fame, Lee Cho-seok’s name is the only one to be found… and found repeatedly. Rather than a team, this church seems to be a one man show, which has cult warning signs of rallying around a single leader who is often said to have divine powers. It’s also worth noting that 8 of the 9 bank accounts listed for donations on their website are in Lee Cho-seok’s name, with only one in the name of the Jesus Centered Church. Cults tend to exploit their members, usually financially, through tithes, free labour, costs to advance to the “next level” (such as in Scientology) and in some cases, applying for state grants and tax exemption from the government. The fact that so many accounts are in Lee’s name personally instead of the Jesus Centered Church’s should have people wondering.

Quite a lot to think about. Thanks for putting that together. So, looks almost like a Tom Cruise situation in hindset. We'll probably keep getting explicit gay rumors, with men linked to him all the time, but outwardly, a church-going, god-fearing man who's probably going to marry and divorce multiple women. Ahhh, I expected better, but the world isn't a better place. 

6 hours ago, Aryu said:

Just putting it out there but I don't think this whole situation serves as evidence that nothing went down between Yibo and XZ. It is actually not uncommon for actors to get into their roles and hook up, and especially if the two are gay/bi then we already know the hookup culture in the gay community is alive and well.

If the two are gay/bi, I actually would bet money that they at least did something together. Just how far that went is debatable to me.

Y'all. I leave for a few hours and this whole discussion unfolds? This is the tea right here, what were we doing talking about Yizhan LOL

This actually really sounds like a kept boy situation, I'm not kidding. And I mean that in the most neutral way possible, I'm not judging. Besides Wang Yiwei being married though - that's a yikes. At least he's not anymore lol. However, beard marriages are still very much a thing so it may have been some sort of situation like that if he actually pursued XZ in that manner. That would mean he's into men, so he may be gay then.

These 'sponsorships' are incredibly common in entertainment and when someone all of a sudden pops up onto the screen, it's commonly sponsored by someone, be it rich parents or other rich people with influence. There's a reason a lot of idols come from rich families, it's a tough af business to break into. XZ was already older than most and probably had a better idea of 'how the world works', and he's a very smart guy. When you watch his interviews, you can tell he's actually quite sassy but knows his way with words and his image. I wouldn't put it past him, necessarily.

I didn't know that XZ had gotten those two roles before he really had much of a name, so that really does look sus. Also, him literally living in a house owned by Wang Yiwei? Interesting. The guy really is quite handsy with XZ and I do find it a bit weird, though. Like why readjust his hood like that? Was that really necessary?  I just hope XZ knows what he's getting into. Yea he's smart and all, but this stuff can get weird real fast.

Watch this be the most wholesome business relationship ever and all involved are straight haha who knows! But again............it's weird.

Yeah, yeah, no judging from my end either. No one's a saint, so I don't expect my faves to be. But it was just sad, if he's uncomfortable. Yeah, lavendar marriages where both sides benefit are quite common, especially among the elite, so I won't be surprised if that was the case. 

Well, I think, if this is true, we can probably not consider him a "sponsor" in the sense that he treats XZ like trash. This guy follows him around, and that video where he adjusted his Hoodie wasn't anything to frown at. XZ doesn't seem uncomfortable or anything, so maybe this is a normal situation? Maybe a Matt Bomer and Simon Halls situation lol. Real, but still the age gap and power imbalance is weird as hell, but hey, it works out for them. 

Nah, what business relationship. This guy is just wasting his time following around XZ. I mean, in the real world, where making money is important, the only people we'll "waste" our precious time for is our family and kids, or, if unmarried, our "person of interest", so...

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3 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

Which js not bad you know, everyone needs some help and I am not going to judge XZ for that. It is just something that happens quite alot in older/younger gay relationships. 

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That guy owing 50% is really not good sign, I mean that is not a good share of profit. I hope XZ knows what he is doing, otherwise it kinda looks like being exploited without proper paperwork. 

Actually, it is not just 50%. 30% is owned by someone else, and 20% by another person (this guy's partners?). I read that yesterday, I'll try to find the resource. That article concluded that XZ has no share in his own studio. But you know, this is a business, and he's probably still getting paid what an actor gets paid, but has no controlling interest or power in the business, which is, you know...not good...

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10 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

Mhh wow a third partner as well, I guess he has a complicated life. To many strings attached to his business dealings. 

Also, this could be the reason why he needed an image overhaul after some gay rumours with Yibo. But honestly, why do a semi BL movie if you dont want anyone suspecting you. 

Ah, it was originally going to be BG with the Wen Qing character, but the fans of the novel protested, so they made Yibo the lead. I've heard those rumors a lot when the Untamed was airing. So maybe they didn't anticipate this lol. 

Yeah, 3 partners. Chinese entertainment industry is...well, no words. 

What do you mean by the image overhaul? Aren't his rumors with Wang Liwei more damaging? Though those rumors aren't mainstream. Yibo and XZ looked cute, tbh. Would have loved if something actually happened. Would have been a much more healthier relationship.

 

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The fact that we're discussing if these celebrities are gay or not... We must look like antis to their fans anyway. 

As far as Zhan is concerned, it could be true or not, but thinking either way is speculation, and it's not like what we're speculating is unknown in the industry.

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12 hours ago, joonsoulie said:

THIS 1000x I totally agree!

I'm not saying this is the case for Taecoholic but from my observation the vast majority of fans who say "actually Jimin is more like his debut era self he wants to be buff and masculine and show off for girls but evil Hybe is forcing him to be feminine" are (usually cishet) female fans who are really just projecting what they want and what they find attractive onto him. I definitely agree that the narrative that Jimin looks and acts the way he does now as part of a fabricated image results from fans being uncomfortable with the way he presents himself, in part because it makes it more difficult to romantically project themselves onto him. Of course there's also the case where shippers use him as a self-insert and portray him as a delicate femboy who needs protection, which is also wrong and is rooted in effemophobia.

But it's not like Jimin is the only one who's addressed the change and how much more comfortable in his own skin he seems now, there are plenty of examples but here's Tae in 2019 Festa describing the negative emotions Jimin held from debut through Danger era because he was constantly on edge and couldn't relate to the art he was creating https://youtu.be/CPW2PCPYzEE (around 33:50). There's another bit of that video where Tae says that after coming into himself Jimin has been "glowing" (I didn't feel like scrubbing through an hour long video but maybe I'll edit in the timestamp later since oh doesn't let you embed images ). I highly doubt Taehyung of all people would say all that just to uphold Hybe's fabrication of Jimin's personhood. It just feels like fans who argue that 25 year old Jimin, one of the most successful people in the entertainment industry and a share owner in his company, is being subject to manipulation and puppeteering (along with the other members for reinforcing his presentation) by a board of investors are creating excuses to justify their dislike of the person he has grown into.

And the Paris thing was blown way out of proportion, imo. He was there with a male friend (totally normal) and had some drinks and danced with a group of women who happened to speak Korean (SCANDAL!) like any normal young man should be allowed to. The girls have all confirmed that nothing romantic happened between them after weeks of harassment from fans, they hung out for a while and then each went home to their hotel rooms. Rumors of threesomes and lines of coke in the bathroom were all created to make a juicier story out of what would ordinarily be an uninteresting event. 

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And since this thread is about sexuality, I am also going to clarify that as I've said before. Jimin's physical appearance and style is not what dictates my view of his sexuality. It's based more in his mannerisms and way of speaking, as well as his reactions to attractive men (which you cannot deny he has a reaction to.) I also find interesting Bushi bringing up Malta since I see that as an incidence of him 'breaking character' so to speak.

 

 

Look at the first part of this video. I think this was the first time they saw him like this (contemporary dancing), and they were all very surprised, even Suga, who's rarely moved by things. So yeah, I think this is when they realized there is a different side to this person, and probably encouraged it? That fan was a god send, in hindsight.

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13 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

What the actual fuck!! I don't watch idol school, but how do they get away with this shit on TV? And then you have idiot men rights campaigners in SK bitching about feminist, while this show is the epitomy of sexist TV. 

I have always gotten creepy vibes from the entire band, I am sure Heechel isn't the only one. I dont know if the rumour is still true, but weren't they the group that young female idols had to be careful around? 

Wait, Heechul? He had the most receipts a few years back though. I don't understand. Now I'll probably hear creepy stuff about Jaejoong next, and the world is coming to an end. Ah, this is upsetting. 

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1 minute ago, Dont mind me said:

I don't think he is 100% straight, but he has been on the creeper alert side for a while now. Read trixy post, some of it has been already discussed for ages. He is no friend to women's rights. 

Hmm....then I just gotta unstan I guess. I have no tolerance for this shit. I wonder if Jaejoong has any of these tendencies, though in the 6+ years I've been stanning him, I've never seen him remotely react to girls. I think he just doesn't care either way. 

On that note, I'm going to stir up some shit. Am I the only one who thinks Jimin being really affectionate and close with girls (read: Halsey) is actually more proof that he's more gay than straight? Dunno, just wanted to put that out there. 

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42 minutes ago, JiminsOppa said:

It's a stereotype but I do agree with your last point. Jimin and Halsey's interaction really read as gay best friend vibes. He seems more comfortable with women than some of the other members in a like 'this is a friend, not food' way. I do find it funny that some fans thought he was flirting and I didn't get that vibe...at all? I thought he liked having a friend around who is a woman and I'm sure he knows she's queer because she's out. Compare the way he acted around her to someone like Jin, who was very hands off and very 'I am staying ten metres away'. Compare Jimin in that recent interview with that Indian interviewer to Jungkook and Jin who straight up got red when she complimented them, and Jimin was just like 'yes hi woman, how are you girl'. He strikes me as particularly non awkward with women in a way that makes me think he sees them as pals. 

I know everyone likes to say Jimin flirts with both men and women, but the 'flirtation' I've seen with women is so performative. It's mainly fan signs where its his job to be a flirt.

Performative. Yeah, that's the word I was looking for. Guy's from a relatively conservative country, and skinship with women comes naturally to him. You're right about the other boys, especially Jin. They're very aware of the opposite sex. I don't care about stereotypes at this point. Sometimes, a spade is a spade, what's wrong with that? 

I'm actually extremely proud of him for breaking out of his gender norms when he was barely 20, something a fellow Asian who's older than him is still struggling with. I mean, we know how restricting these conservative societies can be right? And usually, guys break out of those norms usually have a deep reason to do so (LGBT). 

Personally, I believe that when a person, man or woman, is 'shy' or seemingly hyper aware of someone of the opposite/same sex, they have attraction towards them. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are attracted to that person, per se, but that, they could be. 

Now that I think about it, that brings me to a deadlock because Jungkook is the most hyper aware of the female sex. Huh, I need to observe him more. 

 

"He strikes me as particularly non awkward with women in a way that makes me think he sees them as pals. "

Yup yup. He seems them as pals. No awkwardness at all. There is some appreciation when he seems them dance, but seriously, I know straight women hyperventilate when they watch girls do sexy dance, so I don't consider that proof at all, especially since he's a fellow artist. 

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2 hours ago, JiminsOppa said:

It's a stereotype but I do agree with your last point. Jimin and Halsey's interaction really read as gay best friend vibes. He seems more comfortable with women than some of the other members in a like 'this is a friend, not food' way. I do find it funny that some fans thought he was flirting and I didn't get that vibe...at all? I thought he liked having a friend around who is a woman and I'm sure he knows she's queer because she's out. Compare the way he acted around her to someone like Jin, who was very hands off and very 'I am staying ten metres away'. Compare Jimin in that recent interview with that Indian interviewer to Jungkook and Jin who straight up got red when she complimented them, and Jimin was just like 'yes hi woman, how are you girl'. He strikes me as particularly non awkward with women in a way that makes me think he sees them as pals. 

I know everyone likes to say Jimin flirts with both men and women, but the 'flirtation' I've seen with women is so performative. It's mainly fan signs where its his job to be a flirt.

Ya'll can clown react all you like but I'm a gay man, and I know whats going on lmao.

I think this thread's run by stans nowadays. It wasn't like this a few years back lol. 

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14 minutes ago, Ludo said:

Idk idk, i didn't see it that way for me he looked like he was also appreciating how she looked like (but i'm also maybe just projecting lol very bi woman here, AND HALSY IS...WOOH !)

I should maybe rewatch the moment with this in mind.

Yeah, I would love to hear your opinion once you've rewatched it. 

I mean, he could totallyy be bi, but if so, I'd personally believe he'd lean more towards men.

I wanted to start this conversion because I'm getting the impression that, over the past few years, people are trying to erase the attraction he has for men in this thread, so I wanted to point out that Jimin is the one guy in BTS who's been consistently in his attraction & reaction to men, right from debut. I mean, BTS got uber popular since 2016, so I guess we should be dealing with strong opinions that say otherwise, even in this thread, but for Jimin as well? I mean, even before he started acting 'gay', if you will, he was still gay, with all his muscles and "I'm a man', stuff. He was still gay, and he still reacted to men, very strongly. 

It's like everyone forgot about 2016, and Lie, and the total personality change he went through, him saying 'What is men', and him giving an interview where he says he's glad he can be himself now. Would a straight guy from a conservative society really suffer so much to make themselves into someone who'd be shunned by society (if he wasn't uber famous already), if he had the easy way out of being attracted to women, and even preferring them (like people in this thread want to believe?). I mean, he could be like Jin, and no one would care. How he is now, he's so open, and he's opening himself up to ridicule in his country, and he says he's happy now, and he's glad he doesn't have to act now.

People in this side of the world aren't woke, not at all. If a man says these things, it's not just because he wants to wear earrings. It's because he identifies with something so much more, something that defines his life and future. Remember how Jaejoong was asked to bulk up and brood, and see how he is now.

I dunno...

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2 hours ago, lilymul said:

tbh this. I wasnt so sure about him being a queer before but seeing his interactions with halsey and his overall mannerisms both on and off cam really pings for me,,, the recent interview with the indian interviewer had me thinking how uninterested he was(but it could just him being his professional self again, i gotta admit jimin is the ultimate pro idol) compared to others. The fact that he is really really personal about himself including some trivial things asked in random silly interviews makes me wonder if he has something to hide from the world, he is almost too careful with how he's presented and exposed himself to others. Not to slap stereotype label on him but he really reminds me of how a typical asian gay men living in conservative country. 

About namjoon, his male friend is pretty sus but the fact that he posted them on their public account kinda sways it for me.

Yeah, I noticed that he's really private too, and he's extremely careful with his words, especially when questions get personal. He doesn't even answer random TMI questions. Something to hide, for sure. I just admire that guy so much though. What he did takes guts, going against the norm, not being stuck anymore in gender assigned roles, and I'm sure a lot of us identify with that, even if we can never achieve that level of freedom in our real lives. 

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3 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

Jackson - Bi ( boy is living his bi life for sure)

Mark - Straight 

Jinyoung - Straight

Youngjae - Straight

Yugyeom - Gay

Bambam- bicurious ( would act on it given the opportunity)

JB - bicurious ( I know people might say he definitely straight after his rb sex song, but I think he is more open-minded than he shows) 

 

Yugeom? Never really noticed him. I'd love to know your thoughts on why you think he's gay  

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I've already mentioned enough about Jimin, and it still stands. I think he's gay. 

Jungkook has been catching my attention lately when he rarely did 5 years back. He really grew up huh. I'll get back to him in a bit. 

And no, I don't think jimin and jk are together. I agree with what someone said a few pages back. Jimin treats jk like a puppy (his puppy prince, in his own words). 

I was confused 5 years back because jk seemed so suspicious, the toyko vid and all, but I think he just had an intense crush which didn't materialize into anything? 

That said, I think jk is the gayest member of bts, along with jimin, and he manages to stay under the radar, unlike jimin, because of his macho, muscle pig image. Most of his fans are toxic tbh. 

I was watching his content for the past few weeks, and I was surprised at what I saw. He's actually very sweet, soft and not the jealousy prone alpha male his fans portray him to be. Poor boy. Consumes a lot of LGBT content, especially songs (Do me - seriously?), wants long hair coz he'd look pretty, had no actual interest in women as far as I can see, has more mannerisms than Jimin (I wonder how I missed that - his limp wrist and the way he tucks his hair, and the way he sits- huh). I mean, this is the guy who joined Bighit coz he "fell for RM", so I should have known. So yeah, some are stereotypes, but it goes beyond that. 

And looking at his playlist over the years, boys in either an on-off relationship or a one sided love. Confusing, but he seems to have strong feelings for one person, which again negates playboy image and one night stand rumors we get from saesangs. 

Boy always gets a pass because he's buff and has some "macho" interests. But other things, for example, like how he loves doing his own makeup, and seems to be a pro at it that even taehyung was surprised, gets ignored. 

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14 hours ago, OptimusPremier said:

It wasn't so bad at first, I even think it did the job relatively well, at least with GP. It all blew up because of a blind item in SK saying that they were divorcing because Hyekyo was cheating on Joongki with Bogum (media's revenge for not being able to out them?). It got so bad in SK that Bogum made a public denial.

I think Joongki didn't renew his contract in january 2020 to create perceived distance with Bogum (he's still close friends with Cha Taehyun who owns Blossom Ent) and Bogum quietly went to military in august 2020 without asking for a delay, even though he was eligible (for those wondering Joongki went to military before they met).

 

Oh yeah, the rumors were very strong before the song-song marriage, weren't they? I mean, he cried when Bogum won an award. Pretty sus. Wonder what's going on now. Bogum left for military at 27, which is way too early for someone at the peak of their career (he's missing out on his late 20s in this field, which isn't good for his popularity/career). But I think it's a joint effort, and they're probably still together because

1. Song Joon Ki seems to be more popular than ever, look at Vincenzo 

2. Bogum is rarely talked about in a negative light anymore, thanks to his timely (and quiet) enlistment. He'll probably come back and be more popular than before, just like Joon ki was. 

3. Hyekyo seems to have lost some of GP's support, though I'm not sure to what extent. She's getting older, so that could have contributed to the criticism, but still, she seems to be getting all the gate from GP after the divorce, which, if Joon Ki and Bogum cheated, is awful, ugh.