Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Glou]

i just said he acts feminine because calling him gay would be wrong. some men that act feminine turn out to be straight and some gays that act masculine turn out to be gays. 

 

whats with the neg? am i not allowed to post here with my observation? 

 

[edit] it seems i am not welcome here. 

 

 

 

This is the "who do you think is gay" thread, so when you come here and say that someone looks feminine, without any other explanation, it comes out wrong, definitely. 

Of course some men who look feminine are gay, and sometimes, it even plays a part in what "pings" in someone (Heechul). And of course, some men who are masculine will "ping" too (Yunho). Sometimes because of other factors, sometimes because they kind of overcompensate (Siwon).

Saying someone looks feminine is fine, of course. And saying that you think someone is gay is fine too. But you have to consider the context. We're talking about sexual orientation here (sometimes gender too, but not often as it can be tricky). 

 

The negs are probably people who don't have the energy to explain this (anymore). Some people will neg you just for the sake of it too. That's OneHallyu for you. 

If you want to feel welcome here, just post your thought about the subject. It's even better with some backup, like how you came to this conclusion, sources, anything that could convince people, or at least show them that you're here to have a conversation.

 

[Glou]

The only two I can think of off the top of my head are N and BTOB's Minhyuk, and Taemin and Kai. I'm sure others have been talked about here, but I'm blanking on who.

People were talking about Jin and Ken at some point? Also Taemin and Jimin.

Oh and Jokwon and the Ukiss member? Soohyun? If we're reaching a little bit, we could probably mention Junsu and Kikwang, although I think they are probably more bff than anything else. 

Edited April 13, 2017 by Glou

[Glou]

So did anyone hear about the homophobic witch hunt going on the SK military right now? It's terrifying what's happening to these people, and it makes me worry for all the obviously gay male idols who still have military service to do (and of course anyone affected by it).  You can read about it here and here. Most importantly, you can donate here to the legal assistance of the victims (the page is in Korean, but you can translate it).

 

I'll add something happier so it's not all doom and gloom:

 

So they were forcibly outed, face discrimination, but they are the ones punished in the end??? 

I knew about those laws but thought they weren't applied... 

I certainly hope the international community will do something (but seeing what is happening in Chechnya, I have my doubts...).

This world is so fucked up   

 

Edit: Maybe Jaejoong's instagram post "NO" wasn't for Yoochun after all...

Edited April 14, 2017 by Glou

[Glou]

Your downvote hate against the idea that Jimin might be gay .... proofs that You dont realize how awesome and great it can be to be gay. There is nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with me speculating if Jimin is gay.  Have a good day !

 

 

Listen, people here have nothing against people being gay. This is the main subject of this thread.  

Of course there is nothing wrong with being gay. And of course there is nothing wrong with speculating someone is gay, as long as you're respectful (again, THIS IS WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT).

 

You just used the wrong argument and appeared very narrow minded, that's why people negged you. You're gay, so I'm assuming this was just a matter formulation and assumption. But yeah, not the best move. 

 

For the record, I'm slowly learning things about BTS, and I do believe Jimin isn't straight (this thread MIGHT have influence me a little bit). But the way he dances in this video isn't an indication of his sexuality. Take Jokwon and the way he dances, then maybe, yeah. Take Hansol voguing and then the type of dance itself could indicate something. But Jimin is just dancing (beautifully) to a contemporary dance choreography, not in a "girly" way, not in a "stereotypically gay" way (it sounds so wrong, I'm sorry... I hope you all get what I mean :/). 

Yes, there are more LGBT people studying dance (and theater, singing...etc). But there are straight men doing contemporary dance too. The video you posted in itself doesn't say anything    

 

 

[Glou]

on the topic of block b, it's pretty accepted that taeil is gay after that time he said he doesn't like girls (and hurriedly added that he "doesn't dislike" them either after seeing the members' shock) + the very, very uncomfortable

where the other members essentially out him while he looks overwhelmingly uncomfortable

Why did they do that to him??? Poor guy... They not only outed him, but also his (potential) crush on his member??? And it wasn't even edited?? If one of my friends did something like that, even just with ten people around, I would be pissed, but for the whole world to know? Why??

[Glou]

to stay relevant, now that the King is back do you think he'll act any differently than he did before the military.

 

i have always thought Yunho was gay but like many others, if he were to ever actually confirm it would have ramifications on other celebs.

 

however, what do ya'll think he might do. he's in his 30s. has he ever said anything about marriage.

 

omg. i'm rambling but i really am curious about him and i've never delved too deep. however, i have exhausted all the thoughts i can have on BTS and *i'd like someone new to consider.

 

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Sadly, I can perfectly imagine him getting married to a woman to save appearances... I'm not sure, but I think he would be the type. Eldest son, strict parents, leader who struggled quite a lot  and had to start all over again... I don' see him taking the risk of coming out anytime soon. Doing that would be affecting Changmin, which is the exact opposite of what Yunho would want. So until other people come out and it becomes normalized, I don't think he will.      

 

Edit: I do believe he would treat his wife well anyway. He's a kind person. And if he doesn't get married, he will probably stay alone (at least in public) for the rest of his life...

Edited April 20, 2017 by Glou

[Glou]

Totally agree with you..... althought in an interview before enlistment, he said he is considering not marrying. I cant remember if it was kr or jp

Do you think it will be a genuine or lavender mariage? If it is real I pitty the blindness of his wife (no offend) .... for all the struggles he had been through, he so deserves a good and loving partner. 

 

 

 

What do you think about jaejoong post enlisment? I know it's been only 4 months, but he seems so unexpected quite/well behaved.

I believe the wife would know... I mean, if we know (supposing he is actually gay), then she'll have to know too, even if she comes from a quite strict upbringing. I don't think he would convince himself that he's straight/bi (unless he is of course. Bi that is, no way this guy isn't attracted to boys). And I hope he would tell her if she didn't guess by herself.

Then again, I hope he won't do that. He deserves better (the wife too). But society pressure...

 

Jaejoong cannot really afford a scandal right now... 

We can't really compare his situation to, let's say, Heechul. Heechul had a boyfriend (imo), who wasn't a celebrity and was probably out to everyone (if not, people are really blind because Gunhee is, imo, veeeeery far from straight). Also, Heechul doesn't care. Heechul disses Kangin when he's in a scandal, scandal that doesn't even begin to come close to Yoochun's in terms of reputation.. Heechul is part of a big group that isn't banned, and also from a huge company with all the ties and money available to save the day if he was to slip up. 

I don't know if Jaejoong is in a relationship right now, but if he is, he'll probably keep it quiet, at least for a while. I don't see him marrying a girl anytime soon though.

 

[Glou]

.... more like family pressure. It is easy to rebel on society matters when you have your family on your side, but it's hard to rebel against your family without any support.

 

 

For me post army jaejoong is a complete surprise. Is obvious that he is protecting what is left from his career and is trying to prolong it as much as possible, but he seems so tune down. I know he cant afford any kind of scandals and tries to avoid them at all costs (too hard sometimes)

He is still close with gunhee... I dont expect him to marry (ever) or come out any time soon, but from his loose mouth self to tight lips new jaejoong is still a looong way. 

It would be more surprising to be into a relationship and keep it so quite....

Yes, of course. I consider family part of society actually, but you're right, I should have explained this. Yunho's parents are quite a mystery for me (memories of the GFF 2015 resurface...)

 

And I agree, I thought he would be more... well, Jaejoong after the army. I don't think his career is at risk actually, but JYJ's is, definitely. He and Junsu have been kind of supportive of Yoochun so far, talking about him... etc. So I suppose they were trying to salvage his career more than theirs? Jaejoong seems attached to the idea of a group too. I believe Yoochun and Junsu helped him quite a lot after the lawsuit. Jaejoong and his abandonment issues...  

Also, we have to remember that Jaejoong isn't done with the army just yet. I don't remember how long it lasts, but they have duty for a while after being discharged (which Heechul didn't have because he did a public service). And considering what is going on in the army right now   , he's right to be cautious about his sexual orientation. 

[Glou]

Oh .... I didnt want to sound harsh with family thing. Can you explain about GFF2015.... 

 

You are right... in time probably he will be more pre army jaejoong. He was pretty open.

 

If you want we could move this in private.... I dont know if it fits the topic and dont want to upset anyone. Sorry to be pushy but it's hard to find mature(sane) fans of tvxq.

 

 

You didn't!

GFF (Ground Force Festival) 2015 was the infamous (public) reunion between Yunho and Jaejoong in the army. They both met each other's family. There are some pictures of Jaejoong talking with Yunho's dad for instance (who looks quite grumpy but who knows?). 

 

Let's do this  

 

 

[Glou]

I saw the video on here a while ago and I was wondering... Isn't it Heechul singing there? It seems like his voice, especially at the beginning, not that much toward the end. 

 

 

 

• gunheenim Marry me #marryme#darling

[Glou]

I'm pretty sure I'm reading too much into this, so this is likely off-topic. (But this is a nice listen anyway imo, the song is great!!).
Gummy's new song:

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-4CsRPKLCs&ab_channel=1theK%28%EC%9B%90%EB%8D%94%EC%BC%80%EC%9D%B4%29

 

Thoughts?

"I pass over the rainbow that has been waiting for a long time"
The MV probably shows friendship anyway (?)  (But imagine if the red shirt guy was a girl... typical love story MV)
Go on, tell me I'm delusional. I need it. It's just I sometimes wish post-army Jaejoong was bolder.

 

 

 

[Glou]

That's because the show is full of nubile young boys, and we all know Heechul's preferred type is shady older men.

 

Hangeng is slightly younger. Gunhee is probably the same age since they were together in school. I don't know about the others?? Apart from his serious crush on Gackt, of course (is Gack a shady old man?  )

 

He's probably bitterly watching the new generation of pretty twinks as he continues aging lol

He's aging quite well so far. His questionable taste in clothes and hair style is entirely his responsibility though. 

 

 

He annoys me sometimes too, but seeing him on Jaejoong's instagram made my day   They can talk about their respective crushes on Japanese rock singers (and watch Moonchild on repeat) while bitching about SM. 

[Glou]

Uploaded my post twice, sorry!

 

Edited June 18, 2017 by Glou

[Glou]

Nah, imma disagree. TaeTen happened, and was heavily one-sided. Ten seems to be over it though. And more heavily guarded. I wonder if it has anything to do with his possible upcoming enlistment and Korea's homophobic army scandal. 

 

 

 

Ten isn't Korean though? He might have to enlist in Thaïland but he shouldn't be impacted by the scandal. Unless the army is just as bad in Thailand??

[Glou]

If they're more manly people tend to label them as bisexual rather than gay in this thread. 

I agree to some extent, but there are quite a few exceptions.

Yunho is never described as bisexual. People who question Siwon's sexual orientation usually label him as either straight or gay... Same for TOP. 

I'm talking about older groups though, so maybe also slightly older fans, with a little bit more experience? I don't know.

 

[Glou]

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[Glou]

That's seems really sexism. To be like a guy is fragile? How can you say that...

 

What they mean is not that being a guy is fragile. It is that for some men (and for a huge part of society, let's be honest), masculinity is only defined by being manly, liking women...etc. As if a man wouldn't be a "real" man if he wasn't straight or if he didn't conform to gender roles, or if he chose an alternative gender expression. If we define masculinity with such concepts, then yes, masculinity IS fragile. Because it stands on fragile bases. 

[Glou]

On a lighter note... Have this. 

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Don't know if posted already.

 

It makes me really happy. 

[Glou]

this just makes me think they have no ideia o dont care about whats written on their clothes, thats why i think using phrases on a t-shirt to prove anything so lame. 

 

Oh, some of them do, believe me!    

 

 

 

 

 

 (not relevant to the thread, but I had to, sorry)

[Glou]

So apparently actor Yoo Ah In is exempt from military service because of bone problems.

 

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Isn't it kind of an open secret that he goes to gay bars, though? I know he's been discussed here before. I hope he stays safe and this had nothing to do with the witch hunt against gays in the military...

 

Yeah... it seems suspicious if he doesn't even end up in public service... I didn't know how to bring it up in the main thread without angering people/bringing too much attention to it, but I'm worried...

At least his job as an actor shouldn't suffer from it (unlike many common jobs), and I'd rather have him not serving than being targeted as "the gay one" in the army/public service... I don't know how the public will take it though...

But they'll have to justify it with something else than "bone injuries". And the only reason left is "mental illness", right? They wouldn't say "he's gay, he can't serve". But they let Leeteuk serve until the end, will probably put TOP in active service after everything...

We'll have to wait... 

[Glou]

apparently, jinyoung and daehwi are all lovey dovey in their dorm and the members are supportive of it??? winkdeep who

 

the vid below's a teaser for wanna one's upcoming gay reality show and the two are up @ 2:27

 

 

"the two who are destined to be together"

"the two who are inseparable"

"you guys should do what you do in the dorm"

"you guys even give each other kisses"

 

 

+ i've noticed also that they're always next to each other all throughout the vid

+ look at baejin's reaction when daehwi was hoeing around w sungwoon @ 1:25

+ 2:14

+ they are wearing couple shoes

 

 

 

Is this a revival of the DBSK couple talks? Do we get the banjun dramas too?

 

 

Edit: EXO did both already too, right? Is this a trend? Where is the fun if the shipping is already done by the company?? 

 

Edited July 14, 2017 by Glou

[Glou]

Does anyone have an analysis about yunho cuz I've seen many jaejoong analysis. And most people think yunho is straight bc he is "masculine" (doesn't matter it has nothing to do about someone's sexuality and he is diva/fab af but well). He ping's me more than jaejoong now that I watched older video's (plus i heard something about him and a male dancer having a rumor together(?) could be a false rumor I really don't know does anyone know more about this?)

 

 

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Most people think he's straight??? Not on this thread at least.

I think the popular opinion is that he's gay, but not likely to come out because of his family. And it is quite likely that these two had something going on, whatever it might have been. Their acting abilities were far to low to be able to make their interactions believable, especially behind the scenes, if it was all fanservice. 

I agree on the fact that he "pings" more than Jaejoong these days. Jaejoong could actually pretend if he wanted. He manages to have some chemistry with girls in his dramas, flirts with his female fans during concerts...

Yunho, imo, cannot. This role falls to Changmin (who doesn't seem to mind  ). 

[Glou]

Yes changmin the I don't like men and the one who friendzoned jaejoong most times back then I don't know what I should think about him in the matter of sexuality I mean he seems totally straight but could be in denial or he just doesn't like skinship with men. Yes but then in interview's jaejoong says I go better with actor's than actresse's he did a lot of no homo and flirting with actresses before he enlisted like how many other Kpop idols did if they had gay rumor's a.k.a heechul and jo-kwon.

 

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I still don't know whether Changmin likes/is attracted to men or not, but I'm pretty sure he likes AND is attracted to women. So there is that. I think his behaviour with Jaejoong back in the days was a bit weird too... but to the point that I think he was into him? Not sure at all tbh. 

 

When I say Jaejoong "pings" less, it doesn't mean that I think he isn't gay, just that it isn't always obvious, at least for a very casual fan, and especially when he's alone. If I had just started to know about him, I could very well believe that he is attracted to girls (and who knows? Maybe he is. I do think he's gay though). He's very playful, very flirty sometimes. With girls, with boys... But I see it as fanservice usually. That, and his craving for attention and love. 

 

One thing that has been said about Taeyong is actually quite interesting, and can be applied to Jaejoong. I don't follow NCT, and I believe that SM's cloning habits are not enough to compare behaviours... BUT. Jaejoong does change when he's with men around his age (like, not 15 nor 50), and especially men he's (I believe) attracted to. His behaviour with, for instance Yunho and Jin Yihan is really specific. He gets softer. Almost "submissive" I'd say? (I don't mean it in a sexual way, just... really really softer). He used to get more "feminine" almost, when he was next to Yunho, even though that's not the best way to describe it. And he was like a puppy with Yihan. 

 

 

Also, as a side note. Yunho is 31 (32 in Korea). Taeyong is 22 (23). It's not unheard of, and it's (imo) okay. Not that I think there is anything between them (it would be SO random). But everyone is acting as if the age difference made it impossible. Like... no... 9 years is fine, as long as both are consenting adults. 

 

 

[Glou]

This is the first time I'm hearing about this dude so I looked him up and 

he looks like Yunho 

Jaejoong definitely has a type 

 

You know what? I actually did the exact same thing, because I NEVER remember if it's Jin Yihan or Yin Jihan. So I googled him, added "Jaejoong" to be sure it was the right guy, and I clicked on this photo... Then I thought "yeah okay, Photoshop again, they're probably trying to pretend Yunho is jealous or something". And I watched again. And I realised it WASN'T actually Yunho. It's not that obvious in other pictures, but this one... wow. 

 

Edit: 

 

 

Yihan comes at 1'50. Then Jaejoong alternates between touching him (a lot) and being flustered (a lot) for the whole video. 

 

Also: https://jyj3.net/2014/05/27/trans-140527-jin-yihan-talks-about-his-friendship-with-kim-jaejoong/

"I’m very close to Jaejoongie. When we were in MBC drama ‘Dr. Jin’, Jaejoongie even said “let’s live togetherâ€. I guess it’s because he only has sisters. Jaejoongie’s mother likes me even more."

 

I think Jaejoong had a (probably quite one-sided) crush for a little while. 

 

Edited July 21, 2017 by Glou

[Glou]

 

Sehun has been brought up a lot in this thread but Idk if this moment has been discussed...

 

Well, the point of WGM is specifically to put non-straight idols in a fake straight relationship. (See Key, Heechul, Jokwon...) So why indeed, would he be in a fake marriage with a guy? Better wait until real gay marriage is legal, and him ready to come out  his fans ready to listen to him when he comes out.