Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Shaandenigma]

2 hours ago, sureyeahiguess said:

I've watched all of Cravity Park and a bunch of interviews/variety shows, and this is what I've distilled as my take (for science). I think Hyeongjun, Seongmin, Jungmo, and Allen are all on the queer spectrum. Minhee is interesting to think about but I think he is just doing fanservice. Taeyoung I think is also just an ally, nothing about him pings for me. The rest are straight.

 

46 minutes ago, sureyeahiguess said:

I will admit my feeling that Allen is queer is only based on vibes/mannerisms. He's another western born idol that gives me that feeling. Its the same initial feeling I get from Kevin and Jacob, Keeho. and Joshua. It's just a reflection of my own gay life. I guess that's what gaydar is.

I've been watching more Cravity stuff too because they have a legitimately entertaining group dynamic and there's a general consensus around Hyeongjun, Seongmin, and Jungmo, but I'm glad I'm not the only one picking up a vibe from Allen lately now that they are using him and Taeyoung for more English content like their Zach Sang Show interview and hosting ASC with Aron. He has a certain air about him that I can't figure if it's just him having a dance background or what. He reminds me a lot of Felix, like the same kind of vibe. I can also see the similarity to Kevin and Jacob at debut when Kevin especially was way more subtle. Taeyoung seems very open-minded and like a free-spirit but he's also a little too good at and into performing female choreos like that Dally performance he did for a school talent show and the Antifragile choreo recently on ASC. I don't get anything from Minhee other than pretty boy, and everyone just reads as most likely straight though Serim is interesting from time to time.

On a sidenote, I think you were the one who mentioned getting a church gay vibe from Jacob and as a church gay I totally felt that. What sealed the deal for me was learning he was a worship leader on the praise team at his church, lol. As was Joshua.

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11 hours ago, sergel said:

Curious about people opinions on this topic

 

 

I think what's problematic with this behavior is the posting all over TikTok/Twitter/Youtube about these things like they are fact and not the act of "assuming" or speculating in "closed" spaces (putting closed in quotes because the Internet isn't a closed space but there is a difference speculating here or on your Discord and like creating hashtags and being in someone's mentions on Twitter). As was pointed out, celebrity culture in the present day purposely cultivates parasocial relationships between fans and their idols as a marketing strategy to get you to buy whatever they are selling. Kpop takes this to a heightened level as idols are crafted as products specifically for fans to project all their desires on rather than being real, nuanced and complex people with agency. So you can't blame fans for reading into it, but it does need to be reinforced that these people are not your friends and you aren't entitled to know everything about them beyond their job and what they choose to divulge and you shouldn't be coming at them or the people around them to get "the truth." 

I do hate how this conversation is never had with any nuance and how it becomes a vehicle for people to express tangentially related grievances and their own internalized homophobia. Like that thread has people going on about shipping, real person fanfics, and calling gay rights a "U.S. political issue" and reflective of a U.S. centric worldview, like LGBT people and movements don't exist anywhere else in the world. Also when closeted queer people get on a soapbox about stereotyping and how you should never ever assume a sexuality because you can just never know, it gives me flashbacks to when I was coming out in the late 00s/early 10s where gay gays were running around labeling themselves as "straight-acting" (read traditionally masculine and lowkey) as if they were not only superior to "stereotypical" (read femme and flamboyant) gays, but are some how victimized by their visibility. I get why it would be unnerving that people may be able to tell you aren't straight when you don't want them to pick up on it. But I hate how in defending the right to privacy and self-disclosure, people erase the fact that IRL queer people do engage in certain behaviors and give certain cues to identify each other in non-queer dominant spaces. Yes, some of those things are stereotypical or become stereotypes overtime. But stereotyping isn't the problem, it's prejudice. And I wish people would confront the prejudice head on rather than policing queer people just seeking validation in a world where it's rarely given and at a time where there is a concerted political effort--even in Western countries--to erase queer people from public life. There are bigger more consequential matters to focus our energy on; like securing actual legal rights and protections that have a real material impact on people's lives.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Shaandenigma
Left out a sentence.

[Shaandenigma]

As someone who doesn't follow BTS discourse but has seen both their UN and White House appearances and just the things that get posted here, can someone point me to what they've done that is an actual political stance and not just milquetoast sentiments? Because from my view who actually does progressive policy advocacy professionally, , like... they don't stand for anything actually progressive??? All their statements don't actually take stances to say they have a liberal brand. I would say their brand is inclusive because they are intentional not to alienate anyone in what they say. But they don't do anything except but be mouthpiece's for other people's agendas and align themselves with the things that work in favor of the interests of theose backing them and providing them a platform. The UN speech said nothing, White House appearance said nothing and was really inappropriate for what the Biden Administration was using them for, that if they really were what their fans project them to be, they would have seen and declined that invitation. 

Idk, I'm sitting here like a lot of disappointment would have been avoided if fans themselves didn't give them unearned accolades and projecting political views onto them when they say or do the bare minimum, and even the bare minimum gives zero indication that they would take an activist stance on anything. 

[Shaandenigma]

48 minutes ago, JJBB said:

For me? Nothing meaningful that deserves the credit they give them. They have said supportive things here and there, the majority of them years ago (they have probably become more neutral because they are south korea fav sons and cultural ambassadors, practically). 

That's the thing, they have quite a huge queer fanbase that loves projecting and making everything bigger than it is, and ups, ignore what they don't like. They have this idea of them that are allies, feminists, eco friendly...They even call Yoongi anticapitalist, sure boy he is. Like, I'm sorry, but muslim fans are saying Jk sung at the wc for them and the arabs. They are just projecting always, for them to feel better and think they care that much about some part of the fandom.  And, at the end, they are neutral. A lot of people have ideas that, sorry, being south korean men, i find so hard to believe. 

That's what angers me. I like their music, i like their personalities, but they don't deserve that title. Like i seriously don't know what their political instances about anything are (and, honestly, knowing mine i think i want to be kept in the shadows to not be sad), but some fans paint them as almost activists. I just think they are probably not super conservative and not super liberal, just there in the middle (with differences between members, of course).

I just really hate when the fandom does all this, being perceived as an ally should be something reserved for people that actually do the work, not the random famous person you idolize.

Exactly. And like they literally make their living in an inherently exploitative industry. So why would they take a stance against worker exploitation when idol working conditions aren't exactly humane and balanced either? If they really wanted to be activists, they wouldn't have entered the system in the first place. 

That's not to say I think they are morally bankrupt people or don't have liberal politics personally, but you can't say what they would or wouldn't do based on the very corporate and politically safe and neutral things they've done. I think people need to raise their standards and own that their own projecting is the root of their disappointment. And also accept that the people you go to for entertainment don't have to share your political views for you to be fans of them. 

[Shaandenigma]

4 hours ago, heedeungie said:

ya’ll fellow gays help me. i have the biggest crush on my good friend, he claims to be “straight” yet he’s had no girlfriend ever (we’re both 15) he goes to the gym and knows i’m gay and is slightly homophobic (even though we always hangout 1:1 and have the craziest eye contact ever, like he wants to kiss me). idrk but if ya’ll can help give me the best signs or tricks to tell if he has crush on me ty babes xx  

Slightly homophobic is not worth your energy, lol. Just leave straight boys and closet cases alone. You'll never regret it.

[Shaandenigma]

4 hours ago, heedeungie said:

ya’ll fellow gays help me. i have the biggest crush on my good friend, he claims to be “straight” yet he’s had no girlfriend ever (we’re both 15) he goes to the gym and knows i’m gay and is slightly homophobic (even though we always hangout 1:1 and have the craziest eye contact ever, like he wants to kiss me). idrk but if ya’ll can help give me the best signs or tricks to tell if he has crush on me ty babes xx  

Slightly homophobic is not worth your energy, lol. Just leave straight boys and closet cases alone. You'll never regret it.

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Edited November 23, 2022 by Shaandenigma
Accidental double post

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Y'all ever heard of code-switching for a check?

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6 minutes ago, bb8__ said:

Idk anything about his twitter account but that man just has to speak and a damn purse falls out his mouth. People are being annoying like gay men can't go out clubbing in heterosexual clubs now? Lol i guess that's one way to dispel any rumors. 

Or that women don't go to gay clubs and dance with men. I've been out to plenty of gay and straight clubs and danced with women at both and it meant nothing. I know alot of these people freaking out aren't even old enough to get into a club or drink, but the ones who can need to get out more, lol.

[Shaandenigma]

1 hour ago, rainbow halo said:

insane predebut hanbin video just dropped 

i wonder how widely circulated these types of videos are among kfans

The way these videos drop on the DAILY. Like he was basically in a house predebut. Anyone still thinking he's straight is choosing not to see the obvious.

[Shaandenigma]

What I really find weird is the desperation for a gotcha moment when it comes to BTS members to to stick it to fans on whatever "side" they are on like one is so much better than the other. Both are equally prone to delusional and faulty logic to prove a point. And both project to push their own agenda that really has nothing to do with the idols as people but their own personal baggage around sexuality. Just a never ending cycle of pointing out splinters in other people's eyes when both have opposite ends of the same log lodged in their own. It's tedious, literally only happens around BTS, and drowns out better discourse and new topics. That's my two cents and I'll get off my soapbox.

[Shaandenigma]

Did y'all forget that Taerae was in the BPlastics with Seowon and Woongki? He was always running with the gworls on the show and looked mad comfortable engaging on their shenanigans too. And as a church gay, I can spot my kind from a mile away. I had that church oppa's number from day one lol.

[Shaandenigma]

1 hour ago, fruitbtxt said:

correct me if i’m wrong but didnt park hanbin get exposed as misogynistic… colourist…. fatphobic…. and overall a very problematic guy??? why are we celebrating him debuting and being friends with sunoo…? 

The "evidence" was suspect because the Facebook layout in the screenshots of the alleged comments did not match up with what it should have been based on when they were said to be made. That plus the timestamps for the comments did not have the dates and just the "3h ago" thing. Either someone who knew him took screenshots at the time and sat on them to use them against him later (which is weird since he wasn't even a trainee), or someone made a fake profile and staged the whole thing (given the inconsistencies, likely).

[Shaandenigma]

4 hours ago, pyunkangyul said:

This ain’t a big thing but I guess good to know Hanbin’s here for gf and bf stans

https://x.com/haobinology/status/1692227498275168558?s=46&t=EIhfZ5Zg1aJIXlQG6upnYw

(idk how to embed the tweets anymore, why doesn’t it do it automatically now)

 

It still works if you use the Twitter button in the editor.