Which male idols do you think are gay?

[raspberry84]

 

with all due respect, i think you should all refrain from speculating about jonghyun's sexuality at this point in time and things like whether or not he "came out in his will". to me it's disrespectful and inappropriate. the man died, let him be. you can make your speculations later....

 

 

Look, now is definitely not the time for in-depth discussion and receipts about his sexuality but for a lot of people in this thread (myself included) we truly believe that he was queer. I'm not going to suddenly say I don't believe that about him because this happened because it was based on what I believed for almost a decade before this happened.

 

I also don't think it's fair to shame people for worrying about Key considering how many people here thought they were in a relationship. If they were together I can't imagine what Key is even going through, especially since it's not something he'll be able to openly grieve about with complete honesty unless he makes the very huge decision of coming out (and, in turn, outs Jonghyun). Even if you don't think they were currently together they clearly had something special, Key did have feelings for him at one point that went past platonic and from the one shot of him we've seen since this news broke we can tell he's completely devastated by it.

 

There is a certain amount of shaming that goes along with the suggestion that we can't mourn someone we viewed as one of our own and whose speculated sexuality / support of the LGBT community meant so much to. Or that we're not allowed to worry about his speculated boyfriend.

 

This conversation wouldn't be happening if his speculated partner was female and people were worried about how she was doing to be honest.

 

 

I think that someone who is going to commit suicide and really is gay or struggled with it would not care anymore about hiding it and just say it in the farewell letter or will. With that said he probably wasn't LGBT at all(maybe bi)or if he was, it wasnt a significant issue for him at all like some of you are making it out to be.

 

Bullshit. Just because he didn't come out in his suicide letter (the one he intended to be posted publicly) doesn't mean he wasn't queer. There are a number of reasons why he may have chosen not to include it.

Edited December 20, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

why do people here always think people are attacking the lgbt community? im gay. him being gay or straight has nothing to do with this conversation. the hard fact and reality is that jonghyun did have a girlfriend at one point in time, and she is mourning. we never knew if he ever had a boyfriend or was gay with certainty. these claims no matter how strongly people believe them at the end of the day are still speculations, and at this moment in time, as jonghyun has just DIED, i personally think that it's disrespectful to still have his sexuality up for discussion like this. thats just how i feel. you all can continue talking about whether jonghyun was gay or straight all you want, i cant control you. all i can do is let you know that in my opinion, i think it's disrespectful and inappropriate, especially since he passed away literally yesterday or the day before yesterday. all we know is, he did advocate for the lgbt community in his own way and that is one of the things we should remember him for. and that is what i expected when i came into this thread, not more speculations about his orientation and even speculations about key's emotional state right now. this is all so late and corny to me, pay your respects and let's leave it at that.

 

Please re-read my post.

 

Because suggesting that continuing to believe what we believed before his death is disrespectful is really rooted in the idea of there is something shameful about being LGBT. Being gay doesn't mean you haven't internalized a lot of heteronormativity that is so present in our society. There is nothing shameful about saying you think someone was queer because there isn't anything shameful about being queer.

[raspberry84]

I'm honestly really worried about Key right now, it doesn't look like he's slept in days and he just seems completely broken. Onew and Minho barely look like they're holding it together. I don't even know why I looked at the photos.

 

 

I had to close twitter when I saw a picture where you could still see the ring Jonghyun bought him on Key's hand. I use to love looking for that ring in every photo and now it just breaks my heart knowing he (and the rest of Shinee and Jonghyun's family) lost someone so close and important to them.

 

Edited December 21, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

do you think anyone from bts would come out the closet? Because jimin would be my first choice buts he’s too soft and the hate would get to Him so I don’t think he’ll do it. And we have tae with stigma which is debatable but it’s not “official†I guess but I’m genuinely curious what you guys think.

 

 

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I think we're more likely to get living in the glass closet type of situation with them for a while, especially with their military service incomplete and their global success. 

 

After military service? That will probably be a different story.

 

My money is personally on Yoongi or Taehyung. 

 

It's always interesting to me with BTS how very different all our opinions are lol

Edited December 25, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

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I know this probably isn't worth posting here but I'm trying to get us somewhat back on track from the trolls.

Edited December 26, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

It was, but it was still cute:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This somehow is just as good.

 

And yeah, Yoongi doesn't seem all that upset with them all rubbing his neck lol

 

V couldn't keep his hands off him, and Yoongi is obviously loving every second of it. And frankly, that was more of a caress in the second one. 

 

Yoongi and Taehyung have definitely more touchy since summer which is kinda amusing cause you have people here who talk about how Tae isn't touchy anymore. I've said it before but Tae and Yoongi seem like they're really close now. Especially on Yoongi's side, I've noticed or gotten the feeling that he's started to gravitate towards Tae during filmings like this. Take that as you will.

Edited December 26, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

Just popping by here to say.. the number of gay predictions here is wayy too high.. like it’s statistically improbable. Like some of you speculated entire groups that are likely gay or bi, how is that even possible. It’s almost like saying the entire population is 80% on the spectrum.

 

I mean there are some speculations here that I think kinda hold some water eg Key, Sehun. But the majority of the rest sounds kinda bull to me.

 

I mean it’s quite well-known and peculiar to the Korean culture that men touch each other a lot as friends? I find it strange too cause that doesn’t happen where I’m from. But you know, it’s common in Korea so.. take that into consideration before you bia so many of your estimates upwards? A lot of the touches and intimacy are just platonic and playful like me and my girlfriends do, not romantic.

 

 

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[raspberry84]

In my personal opinion LGBT tend to flock to the entertainment industry so it's not wrong to make the assumption that there are more LGBT in entertainment compared to regular folk. Statistics don't work in the way that if we speculate 1-3 members in a group to be LGBT - that's it, we've reached the gay quota. From my personal experience in a group of people/friends, all of them can be LGBT, just a few of them, or none. It really varies. It doesn't have set rules for how many gay or non-gay people should be in a group. It's all different.

 

In my current group of friends (about 7) 5 of us are bisexual with one of them leaning heavily towards the same sex. But I've also had friend groups in the past where only I and another were Bisexual out of a lot of us. So really it all depends. I think that applies to boy/girl bands as well. Some of the members can be LGBT, all of them, or none. 

 

You also have to factor in that different fields of work have different levels of acceptance. LGBT people who are more open i've noticed tend to either go into fields that are artistic (art, acting, writing, music, etc.) or socially conscious (social workers, non-profits, education, etc.) so percentages of people in those fields do seem to be higher.

 

Now that may be because more people in those fields are LGBT or because people in those fields are more likely to be open / answer years to those questions compared to others.

Edited December 26, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

The thing about probability is it's not a hard and fast rule. Even if we're looking at statistics of the what percentage of the general population is gay, that information can only be used to tell you how many members are probably gay. It can be higher or lower because it's just an estimate. Outliers happen and people who scream probability and statistics seem to forget that.

 

And to give a workplace (vs friends) example:

 

When I got hired in at my job I was placed on a team of four. Of those four members 3 of us were gay/lesbian. That ratio was way off compared to every other group in the building and was an outlier when it came to probability but it happened and was also entirely confidential. Myself and the other lesbian in the group were new hires, were assumed straight by the company and were only out to each other at work (we became friends during training). The third member of the team came out at a much later date when he was leaving the company.

 

So is it unlikely that a group of 5-7 members would have 3+ lgbt members? Yes.

 

Could it happen? Most definitely.

Edited December 29, 2017 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

saw this on twitter re: G.C.F, it's been floating around tumblr for a while too. sorry if this is old news

 

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Normally I would say that was a complete coincidence but that video was highly inspired by Troye's videos. I mean, most shots and editing come from "There for You" but there are also a few other moments in that video that pulled from Troye's other videos like the version of "Wild" with Alessia Cara (the opening, shots of feet, people walking, etc.).

 

So yeah, that may have been completely intentional.

 

Now the intentions behind that get murky and I think it's a jump to say that Jimin is his boyfriend. But at the very least we know that Jungkook is enough of a fanboy of Troye's that he's recreating his videos.

 

Personally, I don't think anything is going on between the two but after this video I wouldn't be surprised if Jungkook did have a small crush or attraction towards Jimin.

[raspberry84]

This Dispatch rumor comes up every year and like always I feel like we'll make it to the end of the day without Dispatch releasing anything.

 

If Dispatch wanted to out a gay idol or couple they would have by now and I think that really is a hard line with them they're not going to cross.

 

The day they do out a couple it'll be because they got permission from them or their company.

[raspberry84]

What was the rumor about anyway? Was it that one about the couple that has been dating for 6 years or was it another one?

 

I didn't see the original tweet but the rumor I've seen floating around is citing an idol couple who has a two year age difference and are in the same group.

 

No idea what the original source of this is. Most likely just some hardcore shippers who want to validate their OTP.

[raspberry84]

Thanks for the tea

 

Well Sehun is definitely a top class idol but I have no idea who his boyfriend could be from a lesser known group...

 

How do two same-sex idols get "caught" on a date anyway? Wouldn't assumption be that they are just friends spending time together?

 

I'm assuming in those situations it's when there are already rumors about them and it falls under "open secret"

 

It's why I always side eyed Dispatch following Taemin and Kai that one time and posting pictures of them hanging out. 

 

With all that said, I still highly doubt anything is actually going to get outed. Especially since the rumors seem to be pointing to a major group which limits the options a lot and those companies would basically pay a shitton to keep that information from going public.

[raspberry84]

I want to fix few things.

 

* About Stigma, he did not write the whole song. There were two other people who wrote the song with him.

* Lately he started talking about Stigma. He explains how the person in Stigma is someone who goes through so much pain they end up liking it.

 

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* RM was also the one who wrote most of the 4 O’Clock, not Tae. " Moonlight " references was in the rap part.

 

* Also there is something that caught my attention for a long time. He talked about not crossing the borders around the members several times. It's like something happened and it seems like a big lesson for him. Maybe this is the answer we're looking for about the relationship between him and J-Hope, which is so bad for almost two years and is finally starting to recover? We all know that he's admire him. But that does not mean it's mutual. J-Hope might be very open about the fan service, but when it comes to real things, I think he's definitely closed minded.

 

 

 

Two things about Stigma:

 

1) He clarified that it's personal and about pain he was feeling (and wanting others to understand that pain). He didn't clarify the cause of the pain, just verified our belief it was about his personal experience. So that doesn't confirm or deny any speculation.

 

2) About being a person who is hurt so much they start enjoying the pain, that was about how he was protrayed in the video. You can't necessarily lump that in with the song itself, especially since the mv came at a much later date.

[raspberry84]

Let's not forget that the videos shot were suited to the atmosphere of the songs. According to Tae's explanation, the person in the song is suffering so much that he end up begins to like the pain. In the clip we see the character beaten and wounded many times. Despite all this, we see that Tae's character can not stay away from the crime and the streets. I don't know about you, but I think the song and the MV fit together when we think like this. Also, it is normal for Rapmon not to describe the song because it tells someone who is enjoying the pain in a almost masochistically. I can understand why RM has been avoided from the explanation. Of course, It would be more appropriate for Tae to make the explanation. 

 

Also Tae talks about making his song inspired by " Born to be Blue " movie. The film tells the life story of Chet Baker, a musician who always struggles with drug addiction. Tae has said many times that Chet Baker's one of he's favorite artists. 

 

For all of the boys, the meaning of their solo songs on Wings are not directly attached to their Wings Teasers / Storyline. 

 

Song Meaning /= Wings Storyline

 

Edit: Also RM specifically said that the song was personal for Taehyung. Also if they were willing to write a song and film a video with that meaning I see no reason why RM would feel uncomfortable commenting on it. Especially with how involved he was in the Wings storyline.

 

Source that he based this song on Chet Baker's life. 

Edited January 1, 2018 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

In regards to BTS smelling or weirdly touching each other...I've just accepted that is how they all are with each other.

 

 

 

It’s funny they I got reported for a thread but this thread stays up.


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What were you reported for? Depending on the topic it mighta be a dupe or a conversation better suited for here since this thread already exists. Or it could have been taken as trolling.

 

And why exactly do you think this thread should be reported?

Edited January 3, 2018 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

It must have taken a long time to make this list lol well done! kudos to you

 

But I think quite a few of these are irrelevant to his sexuality (despite me thinking he likes men & women)

Being friends with someone who is gay or bi, especially when only suspected, definitely does not mean that you are gay or bi lol, it reminds me of the argument that children who have gay parents will be gay themselves. I wish this stereotype would stop

Singing a Sam Smith song... is a stretch and a half haha, Sam Smith songs are very popular and enjoyable - if someone gets his song stuck in their head, it doesn't mean they are gay just because he is 

4 o'clock lyrics were written by Namjoon 

 

Hope you take these into consideration, thank you!

 

I think being a fan of other singers, actors, etc. that are LGBT works as a secondary form of evidence and can be used as support. Obviously being a fan of someone who is queer doesn't mean you yourself are queer but I think most people who are tend to seek out representation in the media they consume.

 

And I don't think you can compare it to the homophobic belief that a child being raised by gay parents will turn them gay. No one is saying being a fan of those things is what "turned" them. 

 

For example, there are a collection of queer movies that I think most LGBT youth watch. Almost every lesbian or queer girl I know has watched But I'm a Cheerleader, Lost & Delirious, Kissing Jessica Stein, etc. especially in their teen years. Does that mean everyone who watches those movies is gay? Definitely not. But if I see someone has all of those movies in their collection I'm definitely going to look twice at that.

 

It's why Yoongi being able to name the two main actors from Frozen Flower has always stood out to me.

Edited January 3, 2018 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

 

frozen flower was one of the most popular/grossing korean movies in 2008 so tbh im not really surprised he does

 

 

True but Yoongi's age at the time 15/16 at the time it came out so he wouldn't have been able to see it at the theater since the movie had a restricted rating and he would have had to seek it out to watch afterwards. On top of that, the movie was 5 years old when they filmed rookie king so it did stand out to me how quickly he named the two leads.

 

On it's own it doesn't mean anything but considering the fact that Yoongi has made several other comments implying he's queer it does stand out to me a bit more.

Edited January 3, 2018 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

Yes! For exemple, with Jongkey (if they were real) I think the difference could have been that they were very comfortable with other members for the years spent together and they knew what their relationships between all of them were like, thus maybe the jealousy and distrust was minimal between them. 

 

But W1 is a temporal group where most of them just meet, I don't think the level of trust is enough for them not get jealous and cause problems (and Daniel is very touchy and flirty with most of the boys, apart from being very prone to do and say fanservicey things with so much ease). But well, my deal breaker is not the deal breaker of other people, so who knows. I still don't think it could work tho.

 

It's also worth pointing out that around the time it's speculated that Key and Jonghyun started their relationship is also when they basically stopped doing fanservice. Their group had been around long enough and they were old enough that they really didn't need to do that anymore.

 

Also round one of Jongkey's relationship was a mess that almost broke up the group. They're basically an example of what happens when there are break ups / unrequited crushes / etc.

Edited January 4, 2018 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

Also can I just say, this choreography....

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnsSM4fkMlw

 

full clip right at the beginning.............if you turn on the closed captioning you see what seokjin's saying in the narration and uh..............wow

 

 

Isn't this intro meant to be one of the clues for BTS' next album's concept? It's already pratically confirmed that BTS' next concept will be dark and political, anti-media/society... And there is that Rolling Stone interview:

 

 

And Jin says in the narration:

"To love someone is... to love the world... but we wear a mask because of fear"

 

I might be reaching but there are a lot of things that tease a possibility of lgbt+ awareness in their next concept

God I want it to be true so much, but I don't want to get my hopes too high, especially after the Highlight Heels 

 

It really seems like they've been toying with the idea of including a queer concept for awhile now but ever since summer they've really stepped it up.

 

You have:

 

The HYYH notes: Someone already mentioned J-Hope/Jimin and the lack of females present in the notes but the notes also seem to imply that Suga's feelings for Jungkook are non-platonic and it's fear holding him back (he makes a point to say he's afraid he won't be able to protect him or stay with him until the end...which is interesting).

 

The Highlight Reel: Assuming the girls are more symbolic and less romantic interests (implied by them not being included in the HYYH notes) and there are definitely some implications about Jimin/J-Hope & Suga/Jungkook.

 

Types of Love: RM has made a point that DNA and the mini-album Her is about all types of love and specifically stated that included gay couples during the AMA press tour.

 

Now you have the hints about the next concept revolving around the masks we wear because of fear, how that can hinder us from loving and the J-Hope/Jimin dance....

 

That's not even touching on the symbolic kiss between Jin and Taehyung in Wings, the 2016 Mama (?) performance or any of their japanese mvs.

 

I'm not saying it's for sure and I'm not expecting more than them to continue to include queer subtext but at the same time I really wouldn't be surprised if they do move forward with one of the possible queer pairings from the universe.

[raspberry84]

sorry if this is off-topic but every time i see people talking about the hyyh notes i get a bit confused. What are they and where can u read them?

 

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The Her album came with little notebooks filled with entries about the characters from the HYYH universe and line up with events we saw during the highlight reels. You needed to get all four albums to get the full set of notes.

 

The entries are dated and each "character" has 4 entries scattered over the period of two years.

 

https://twitter.com/i/moments/918138828581347328?lang=en

 

That one seems to have the best translations but they're not put in chronological order so pay attention to the dates (except for Taehyung who has one entry that takes place about ten years before the main events of the story).

 

But for example, Yoongi and Jungkooks are pretty interwoven. Both have entries that revolve around Yoongi being expelled from their school (for shoving a teacher, possibly in defense of Jungkook) and them reuniting two years later (where Yoongi expresses fear of becoming important to Jungkook and letting him down)

Edited January 7, 2018 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

In regards to it being a real bad idea to date someone in your group, yeah we can all agree on that.

 

But it works like that in any field. It's a horrible idea to date someone you work with, especially if it's a smaller company or you work in the same department but it happens all the time. People you work with tend to be the people you spend the most time with and it happens a lot.

 

And yeah, I've worked at a few places where people have met, started dating and broken up. It's awkward and usually one or both of them leave shortly afterwards. Only in one situation did both people stay working there and it was a mess and HR had to get involved cause everyone picked sides.

 

And I imagine that temptation can be even bigger for idols in the same group because you tend to live together and are constantly around each other. It's not like you get a break from them when you go home to short out your feelings with rational. On top of that, the industry encourages the idols to do fanservice and interact with each other on camera so that can be a lot of temptation for two people if there is a mutual crush / attraction.

 

I think they're probably far less likely to get into a relationship with a member of the same group but realistically it probably happens time to time. Or, even if they never act on it, you can't turn yourself off from being attracted or into someone so it's possible we're picking up on feelings here from time to time.

Edited January 8, 2018 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

I already posted this in the lesbian thread, but I wanted your opinions on this. Related to LGBT, but not exactly the thread topic. (kind of serious)

 

So I was looking at a tweet from Rosanna Pansino and in the replies, there was a comment that was talking about how LGBT+ creators get demonitised a lot on YouTube and "shadowed" on the site. A reply to this comment said how she doesn't think that's true because she sees LGBT content everywhere and how she thinks a lot of people are just pretending to be LGBT and come out for views. I know there are certain youtubers that joke around with titles that say something like "I'm coming out", or guys that pretend to be gay to get girls then act like "OH! You turned me straight. I like you", or some girls who might say they are bisexual to get attention from guys, but overall I don't think that is true for a lot of youtubers. For the ones that are pretending, they should be ashamed of themselves, but for most, they are just coming out as their real selves. We live in a time where people are becoming more comfortable with themselves and who they are. My questions are:

1. What do you think of that lady's statement (it kind of annoyed me because I am still questioning my sexuality while dealing with mental illness so comments like these don't help much...

2. When SK becomes more open-minded and male idols who are LGBT+ feel comfortable enough to come out, do you think there will be other (straight) male idols pretending to be LGBT+ for the attention/publicity for their group and/or themselves they might see others receiving?

 

 

 

 

She might be referring to the youtubers who won't say what their sexuality is but make comments that suggest they might not be straight. Dan and Phil do this a lot, are officially straight and just friends but have built a career around people thinking they're bisexual and together. Granted, I actually do think they're together because of the leaked private valentines video and earlier online posts from before they became youtube famous that stated they weren't straight and heavily implied they were sleeping together. I just think they're private about it and I'm not going to fault anyone for not coming out on a very public forum like youtube.

 

But there definitely are some youtubers who play up the idea they might be bi/gay...not sure how many of them are legit and how many are doing it for the views (in youtube react videos are definitely a few who seem to force some comments that suggest they're into other guys and it feels awkward)

 

Edited January 14, 2018 by raspberry84

[raspberry84]

 

About BTS ship please ignore if you're not like 

 

Many coincidences around this two.

Many of jikook shipper's think about November 8 it's anniversary for jikook. Always doing something for that date from 2015

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100 days it's important to sentimental Koreans couples. 100 days later, miss the Valentine's Day, the romantic song cover is uploaded Jungkook

http://bangtan.tistory.com/339?category=399403

 

Yesterday it's last day of BTS Muster, and 799 days later of 2015 November 8

 

 

 

So many the coincidences keep happen and happen and happen...

 

 

 

I don't find anything suspicious about the date or the "coincidences" that keep happening on it but the matching rings on the ring finger is interesting. Although I'd wait to see if they continue to wear these on the regular before putting much thought into it.

[raspberry84]

i'm not a core jikook shipper,cos sometimes their moments are over analysed for nothing.But the date is kinda weird.as they say:'once is an accident,twice is a coincidence and thrice is a pattern'.I consider it more interesting than the rings,cos same rings are quite normal in korea.

 

But you have to take in other factors when looking at the date.

 

Nov 7, 2015 was the Melon Awards. They were all posting around that time after the awards so I don't think you can read anything into this one.

 

The one from 2016 was when they were flying with the group for a schedule which doesn't really scream anniversary to me. I believe they were flying to Japan for their fanmeet the following day.

 

The only suspect one is last years with the video Jungkook made imo. And the release of that seems to coincide more with a small amount of time off they had before leaving for their US promotions.

Edited January 15, 2018 by raspberry84