Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Bushi]

 

shippy but JRen are literally together so.......

 

 

Gotta be honest guys (as I'm often skeptical), I don't think these two are faking it, unless they're genuinely brilliant actors and in which case they should have gone into TV rather than music.   

 

Looks like the real deal to me. Yeah, I'm onboard. 

 

Edited September 25, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

Poor Jimmy Fallon, Husband Number (insert number here), has been discarded after only a day and left sobbing into his muesli. But at least he got some cuddles and a pair of fuzzy ears out of it. :D

 

I love BTS in the USA when it's on fire like this. 

 

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Jimmy and Jimin being so sweet. Bonus: Yoongi's feet. Bonus 2: Taehyung being the genie of the lamp.

 

PS: Don't take this as a receipt, it's just good fun. But of course Jimin does have a wonderful charm with both the guys and the ladies.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

I don't know about that; he's moved away some from his older macho image, embracing his softer side, and so have Jin and Jimin. A lot of people doubt Jimin's "heterosexuality" and a fair amount for Jin too. It's just that Namjoon has expressed pretty enthusiastic interest in females consistently since the early days. Yeah, there are gay people who overcompensate, but gay guys pretending to like girls is usually very... vague and 'safe', like they're doing an impression of their outsider view of straight men. They don't go into nearly as much detail and specifics as Namjoon has in the past, nor as repeatedly. His earlier misogynist edges felt pretty real for a not-gay guy too, not misogynist in the predictable old-school way that closeted dudes sometimes emulate. That obviously still doesn't rule out bi, but I do believe his enjoyment of Lady Town to be sincere.

 

Jungkook is the one I would argue people ignore the gay option for due to perceived masculinity (although I'm not saying he's definitely gay and not bi)

 

Spoiler time cuz I always bang on way too much but anyway... All totally hypothetical of course.

 

 

There's a reason, in his own words, Namjoon says he is still  'learning to love myself', 'little by little'.  

 

He has an interesting past. He apparently ran away at some point over 'test results'. His IQ is sky high yet he was naive enough to launch into hip-hop early on with songs about 'pussy' and used the N-word. Like many young Koreans, he's slap bang in the middle of western encroachment into his outwardly conservative, hierarchical culture, trying to forge a tough street identity as an artist but perhaps not fully understanding sensibilities back then. But then how many of us as teens came with a manual of how to behave or what to say for the best? We all made mistakes or misjudged things, and still do/will do. 

 

Now, he's learned and grown from that, but those mistakes may still grate on him. But that's okay, because he is balanced enough to understand himself better. Oftentimes very clever/high IQ academic people are not necessarily blessed with plain ol' common sense. But Namjoon is fortunate in that he has both. So, suppose his 'issue' may and I say may, be sexuality related. Why? Because as many of us have found, learning to 'love ourselves' when the world we live in is still heterocentric, is the hardest and in many cases, the most torturous journey of all. And it takes a long time to overcome your fears, depressions, ghosts and re-emerge as a person you are happy and comfortable with. 

 

It is harder still to do in the glare of public spotlights. It's hard to do when everyone thinks you're straight and actually you may have been hiding all these years, or you were not sure of yourself, obliging/appeasing society or your preferred musical genre by talking, acting or singing (even dating) the opposite sex. Because you were not ready. Or you were more scared of your parents reaction and you'd rather conform to a stupid 'macho' stereotype than be who you are (or even be a straight guy with a softer side). 

 

All or any part/none of this may apply to Namjoon and many others, regardless of their sexualities. There are many things (and things not mentioned) that could be frustrating them but I definitely keep the 'learning to love' motto as LGBT+ a real possibility for several idols. The ones that started out in hip hop had the most homophobic genre to navigate and if you are bi or gay, some of that shit has got to do some damage to the psyche. It's enough to set a person back years developmentally. How many gay fans of Eminem have to balance loving his shit with being stabbed in the heart every time he calls someone a 'faggot' on his tracks. So, in essence, I think a lot of cultural and musical things can be as damaging and you end up wondering where your refuge is. Where is going to love us? 

 

Like I say none of the above may apply to Namjoon or anyone in BTS and his journey to loving himself may be totally unrelated and due to other concerns or issues in his past/present. But yeah, I always keep it as an option because without a doubt it is an option. Especially for someone with so many non-straight receipts that he has put out there himself.

 

Edited September 28, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

Yah baby always an option! (Just one I doubt though)

 

Didn't he say something about an implied female when LY:H came out?

"I thought it was the right outro for this album because it is really a range of emotions – I’m saying I met this person that I really love, this person is the love of my life right now, I’m saying that I was confused and I was looking for love and this world is complex. But I think it’s you so, “I call you ‘her,’ 'cause you’re my tear.†“I think you’re the start and the end of me.†That’s what I’m saying: You’re my wonder, but you’re also my answers. You’re my 'her', but you’re still the 'tear'."

 

He made Serendipity gender-neutral (for Jimin bc Jimin ain't straight, is my thinking) but named the album 'her' after someone he calls 'her'.

 

 

Could be. It's Namjoon so it could be anything.

 

He does like his wordplay though. The word 'Her' has both a male and a female within it. 

 

Basically nothing would surprise me. As long as he loves himself, that's the main thing. 

Edited September 26, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

am i missing something? this sounds like a major reach.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't he say something about an implied female when LY:H came out?

"I thought it was the right outro for this album because it is really a range of emotions – I’m saying I met this person that I really love, this person is the love of my life right now, I’m saying that I was confused and I was looking for love and this world is complex. But I think it’s you so, “I call you ‘her,’ 'cause you’re my tear.†“I think you’re the start and the end of me.†That’s what I’m saying: You’re my wonder, but you’re also my answers. You’re my 'her', but you’re still the 'tear'."

 

He could be as straight as a pencil and just very open minded. But these are also the people who turned 'I'm Fine' upside down into 'Save Me' and their plays on words are endless. I also wouldn't necessarily expect everyone to be open or want to be when they write. What he's talking about could be person, place or thing, idk, I just like to keep all channels open. And he's very esoteric with words so...I have to keep my mind open too. If it is about a female that's great and I hope he has or had happiness. But it's not as if we're going to necessarily get a full picture as fans so we're left to speculate.

 

Edited September 26, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

yeah it could be straight porn but that still doesn't mean they are straight cause a lot of gay people watch it before figuring out

 

 

One of the things I really try and be mindful of is that while there are some people who can and will be direct with their lyrics and words, there are going to be others who hide things in wordplay or within society's general assumption. BTS are masters of wordplay and metaphor and this is why I usually give them room for interpretation with what they say and do.  

 

With this it's just an off-the-cuff comment about porn and probably not that deep. Just young guys being naughty and rebellious. I don't expect an entire group of pop singers to be sitting there furiously downloading gay porn, but to support your point in keeping an open mind, did we really expect that a boyband then aimed mostly at young, straight Asian women, is going to openly say 'Yo, a couple of us were looking at dudes going at it' in the Korean press or on Fancafe? (I mean I'm cool with it, but certain Fiona Fangirls might have a nervous breakdown.)

 

Edited September 27, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

I don't think RM is talking about a woman. His use of 'her' could be Korean-English wordplay. I found this quote on a reddit thread:

 

"I have two ideas for the 'Her' line. In Korean, 'her' or í—, is a slang term /reaction when things are shocking or dumbfounding. 'Hul, why did he do that?'

When you have two huls, (í—í—) it sounds like crying. Which is why she/her = tears"

 

I think this explanation fits RM's literary style when it comes to writing lyrics. 

 

 

Thank you for posting this. I try hard to keep an open mind with this Korean-English and urban Korean wordplay because RM is very, very good at it, and ultimately it might turn out to imply something it at first seems not to.

 

BTS have all kinds of meanings wrapped within their lyrics/words and they really understand how to flip and invert a concept. Certain things may well be simple and straightforward, but yeah, an open mind is always a good thing I think with BTS.

Edited September 28, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

I know there are quite a lot of new people here lately and this is not Idol or K-pop related but sometimes we post Channel Gimcheolsoo from YouTube because he's a gay Korean guy who, with his boyfriend Jangho, covers a lot of social content in South Korea. For those that don't know of him, Cheolsoo likes to get out and about, interviewing ordinary people. He has a new video (with English subs) asking people in the street what they understand 'Love' to mean.

 

 

 

The diverse nature of people not just identifying as straight and LGBT but pan, asexual, questionary and intersex is very positive. If you like to keep up with authentic Korean people giving their opinions Cheolsoo is a great YouTuber to watch. (Also being a good gay he has a couple of really cute cats.) 

Edited September 28, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

^^ Namjoon knows a quality butt when he sees one. 

[Bushi]

So while some of BTS' fandom are preoccupied with the popular ships of Jikook and Taekook/Vkook, Hobi and Jk slope off for another late night meal. 

 

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Probably just bros being broly-bros 'n all that, and the others may not be too far away, but if they did go alone (or paired off to eat), that would be the second recent time. It's always good to see them getting along well.

 

They are so underrated and yet so cute together. 

 

That looks like wine in the glass so I hope Hobi makes it out of there okay. 

 

Edited October 2, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

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Case closed.  

 

 

[Bushi]

Is it just me or does BTS's gayness explode once they are in the US (or outside of asia)?

 

 

It's interesting. 

 

Although I think they are flirty and cute within Korea it seems as if there is a certain level of unspoken deference to hosts and older males. They'll be playful but kind of stay in lane a little more, I think? It feels to me like more of a platonic playfulness and it is accepted.

 

But, like, even though they bust loose esp. in the US, the weird thing is, they can hold hands and stroke each other's legs in Korea and nobody gives a toss (as it seems to be 1. common behaviour, so we're told 2. nobody can possibly be a non-straight person (it's all just skinskip acc. to fans)). But they wouldn't necessarily get away with that in the US without being beaten up by some redneck making a fuss, screaming 'faggot', or TV audiences phoning in in droves in some places. It's a weird paradox really. They have some freedom at home but not where equal rights are concerned. But they go to liberal countries and act up around randoms a bit more, but can't always express it as well.

Unless you're Jimin, who can pretty much get away with murder. 

 

Does that make sense?

 

 

I'm sorry for the re-edits on this, it took me a few spins to get the wording correct on how to express it. I broadly agree with the OP but I do think it's also complicated. 

Edited October 2, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

I totally understand what you mean about that paradox, that countries like the US are both more open in terms of LGBT rights but less comfortable with platonic skinship (and that there is definitely still homophobia), but tbh I don't really think BTS worries about that too much when they go to Western countries. If they did, I don't think we would've seen things like:

 

-Namjoon naming Shawn Mendes as his celebrity crush

-Jin naming Namjoon then Brad Pitt as his celebrity crush

-Jungkook naming Iron Man as his celebrity crush

 

.........

 

 

 

You expressed it a lot better than I did.

 

As you say, BTS won't worry about it and they are quite carefree but are also protected within the bubble of staff and security. I think they basically know how to adapt to whatever country they're in and follow the protocol they are told. I just think it's a shame that all the guys of K-pop can't be more affectionate (as they would be at home) within some of these more 'liberal' countries. Of course, there are many parts of the US for example, that wouldn't mind if guys flirted and walked hand in hand, but there is an ugly side as well as a welcoming side and I just hope they don't run into the uglies too often, if at all. It's sort of inevitable in life though (side eyes B-Free).  

 

I think Tony walked in on Yoongi massaging Tae's neck if I remember rightly. Tony expressed surprise at this as for him, that kind of close touching would be unthinkable (lord knows why, but this is where several of us 'liberals' are still at). But he said it seemed no big deal for them. Or that was his interpretation. Mind you, it didn't take Tony long to get soft for Jimin (esp.!).

Edited October 3, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

I was thinking about the Jimin thing today and it got me...

 

 

...wondering how are 'oppa is straight' Army going to explain away this one so readily? In the past they've always floated excuses (usually blaming gay fans for 'making Jimin appear gay because you want him to be', cough, bs, cough) - but there's no clear cut 'excuse' here. There were no mythical hordes of gays egging him on from the sidelines and it was totally spontaneous and unrehearsed. He looks like he enjoys getting male attention and his hair preening carried on even after they'd walked away. (I love his confidence and assertiveness. ) 

 

He may like women for all I know but there's just no heterosexual explanation for the latest antics, lol. So I wonder whether homophobic Army and "Future Mrs Park"s are going to elect to forget this one happened or once again write it off as Jimin being 'funny' and just joking around?

 

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Edited October 3, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

I can't wait to see them on the Graham Norton Show when they play in the UK in a week's time. I'm sure Graham won't turn down a cuddle or two on camera if Jimin's up for it. 

 

Army are already terrified that Graham (who is openly gay and lives for innuendo) will do his usual trick of finding and reading out saucy  Twitter posts. 

 

Idk, it might be really tame but I hope it will be as much fun as we saw on Fallon. I could imagine Graham wanting to get up and dance with them. Or teach them to Irish dance. 

 

 

 

 

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Edited October 3, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

I doubt graham will go for the jugular like that - they minus one don't speak english and he usually doesn't interview the musicians performing for as long as the other guests. Actually I don't know why those armys are scared; it's not like bighit won't have done any research into the talk shows they send them on so, if there was any legitimate risk of outing a member, I'm sure they'd ask for some sensitivity and slack prior. Doesn't mean there's no hope for some good homo material tho

 

 

It's a bit O/T so I've stuck it in a spoiler.... I think they understand English to varying degrees (the LY tour shows many of them have improved their understanding and spoken word, esp, J-Hope, Tae, JK and Yoongi, when he chooses to speak it - his skit about Kobe Bryant at the Staples was excellent), but obviously it would be a huge ask to expect them to know all the varied innuendo/nuances. Namjoon knows some but even he was bewildered by the legendary 'wig snatching' in the US this year. So possibly Graham will swerve anything too risque from social media. I think fans were more worried about their tweets re: 'J-Hope, choke me with your glitter bobble hat, then sit on my face, uwu', etc, being read aloud. 

 

Anyone familiar with the show's concept knows Graham is never aggressive and the aim is just to have fun, with mild teasing at best. He may want to have a brief chat since they've come all this way, idk? It's Jimin's birthday coming up as well, so there's that. 

 

 

 

 

Speaking of talk shows, NCT 127 have hit the good old USA for some promotion. I wonder if the delightful Jungwoo's inner unicorn will pop out in the States? 

Edited October 3, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

was it about another member?

 

They could be generic figures representing humanity, Army, or something more specific. 

 

I have a feeling RM will just let it hang in the air and allow people to decide for themselves what it means.  

[Bushi]

Get Ten in the same room as those two and let's have a party. 

Edited October 4, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

is there any evidence of wonho being gay? he seems like a gym gay to me

 

The YouTube videos tend to be general Monsta X clips rather than standalone Wonho moments . But I did find this opinion of him and the other members from tumblr:

 

http://lgbt-kidols.tumblr.com/post/172066066149/monsta-x-sexuality-analysis?is_related_post=1

[Bushi]

To me they seem like they’re just gay baiting, what person would release a pic smooching his boyfriend and then deny he is gay?? Then why put out the pictures?? And keep them there? Seems like attention seeking to me

 

Edit: I did some digging and I read some of the guys responses in korean. Although my korean isn’t good I got an idea of what they’re saying. The guy that actually was in the kiss already denied he is gay, the other guy in the picture in the comments sounded kinda unserious, like that’s the vibe it gave off. I’m not gonna directly translate anything bcs I don’t wanna spread misinformation. The guys that were not kissing, one of them in the comments seemed v unserious abt it, he laughed at someone’s comment saying yuck (he even said so himself in one of the responses but I don’t wanna rlly translate that cause I don’t know the context exactly). And responded to someone that the guys kissing are pretending. So basically it’s all a joke and y’all are giving them attention and taking it seriously.

 

For some reason these pinged by bitch-I'll-pass-ometer right away. (Edit: the bitch part is aimed at them not the OP, lol) 

 

I like my gays authentic, even if they're rough around the edges. I've no time for Katy Perry's, just say you're straight and exit stage left fellas. It'll save everyone time and effort.  

 

Have a confident gay instead:

 

 

Edited October 4, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

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back on oh for the first time in a while, but for those that don't know, basquiat and schiele were both lgbt (or lgbt-inclined, in schiele's case) artists. this is like the 7th lot of artists now that he's mentioned liking that are lgbt.

 

schiele has a lot of paintings depicting lesbian relations, along with naked men etc., and one of his paintings 'double self portrait' shows him with another male, although it's unknown if that's meant to be gay or just like a double personality kind of representation.

 

basquiat was bisexual, but as far as i'm aware none of his works depicted same sex couples. (also according to gucci, harry styles is a stan lmao)

 

in total, this means that tae has mentioned a lot of lgbt artists, way more than it would be to be a coincidence. boy is deliberately looking for gay shit. jean-michele basquiat, egon schiele, ante badzim, gustav klimt, ryan mcginley, alessandro michele, kehlani, sam smith, troye sivan,,,,,,,,, 

 

two's a coincidence, three's a pattern. nine though? that's a confirmation.

 

 

honourable mention for yoongi knowing and wearing keith haring shit. he mentioned him in the comeback show, too, saying someone's drawing looked like a keith haring work. haring was openly gay and painted an entire bathroom with dicks and gay sex.

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Challenge BTS! Part 67,650:

 

Casually work Tom of Finland into a conversation/reference/item of clothing. 

[Bushi]

can someone give me the receipts of tae being attracted to hoseok? i always here about it but see nothing

 

Sometimes J-Hope reciprocated, even if it was just for the cameras. Poor Tae's hormones must have been all over the place. 

 

 

I think it's obvious the dynamics in the group have changed, friendships have altered and they've all grown up a lot, notably Tae, But Hoseok was obviously a very important person in his life at a time when he was going through many changes (not necessarily sexuality, but general young people stuff we all deal with in teens to early twenties). I agree with others that Tae and Hoseok are on genuinely good term now but I feel there's no fire there anymore, just great, fond love. I think Tae's gotten over it. 

Edited October 5, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

What I wanna know, if Tae crushing on Hobi was really a thing that went down behind the scenes, is why Hoseok WOULDN'T reciprocate that interest? Jimin seems to be the member Hoseok gets the least het with, at least in the past, so I guess it could just be that he had his eyes elsewhere, and bla bla bla feelings are complicated sometimes you just don't feel that way about someone. But he said once that his ideal type of girl would be a girl like V and followed it up by joking that he wanted to bite V, then later commented on the moment that it was unscripted and felt realistic, plus describing their relationship as passionate, things of this nature? They get on really well and he thinks Tae is fun and wishes for him to be there when he's bored. Why wouldn't Tae have been a love interest for Hobi?

 

 

It's funny but despite Hobi being outwardly tactile and loving, I see him as someone who is actually very internally disciplined and possibly quite strict with himself? I think daily work and career goals come first with Hobi. Any relationships he has, you're not going to see them, he's going to hide them very well. Like the fact that, for a long time, he hid that he owned a second home. 

 

There was a time when I think Yoongi was crushing on him too and eventually got rebuffed (he also seemed surprised or hurt when Hobi described the two of them as 'just business', that did not go down well at all). The only one Hobi ever really seemed to go over the line with was Jimin, who as we know he still shares private space with. Maybe you answered your own question, maybe he just favoured Jimin and saw Tae more as a baby brother? Now Tae is all grown up and more serious (some felt the latest Vlive was quite moody 'I miss the old , funny Tae' blah, blah ffs, he's a man, get off his case) I suspect several of these guys are on more of an equal footing, rather than this hierarchical pyramid. I can't even easily detect the age difference between JK and RM so much these days. At some point the maknaes catch up. It's just life I guess.

 

 

The producer said that the lyrics specifically don't make sense for two men, it wasn't about the voices. Tae could still record with Jimin and drop his fucks to give, but if the producer of the song is side eyeing the idea of guys singing those words to each other then maybe that's not a situation a little gay boy wants to hang out in for much longer

 

 

Hmm, again, hard to know for definite because of translation and emphasis. I figure whoever has kiboshed this thing didn't so much do it for personally homophobic reasons (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt) but because a boybander would first and foremost be expected to aim his Christmas product at women. Maybe a male/male Christmas song might have been a bridge too far at this stage for conservative Korea if they view it as a time for straight couples? Also with many fans shipping away merrily, the boss man might have wanted to avoid fuelling anything specific?

 

I mean I'm with you, I think Tae and Jimin or whichever guy he can grab, should just do it anyway and to hell with convention, a song is a song. I personally I don't see a problem but then I don't have to deal with BTS' balance sheets. However, it is wholly unrealistic to assume Christmas is just a time for male and female love. So I could see why he might be subdued or annoyed. Whatever he classes himself as, Tae seems to me a very inclusive person who doesn't like to hurt people or leave anyone out.

 

Edited October 6, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

In light of this whole Christmas song situation, same live.

 

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He's a gem, imo. Is he just being innocent...or making a point? There's the deadpan expression as fans are played an excerpt from an out gay man's ode to seeing and/or losing his virginity to an older man (a marketable concept, no less!), in the same VL as feeling the need to mention the m/m Christmas song being initially rejected. 

 

So, unrelated re: the topic or being totally sulky and pointed? I'm never quite sure but I love him whatever. 

 

By floating the issue in front of millions of fans, he's conceivably testing how they feel about it. If enough people make a flap in favour, then it lends more weight to putting it out.

Edited October 6, 2018 by Bushi

[Bushi]

What an amazing first post. Welcome.