Which male idols do you think are gay?

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31 minutes ago, joonsoulie said:

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You can't say for certain that that is the case. In the Festa video Tae specifically said through Danger era Jimin was angry in part because he had difficulty connecting to the music. As we know Jimin's dieting was likely at its worst during Blood, Sweat, and Tears, years after Danger. This could be part of it but I don't think that's the only factor.

Do you have a link? /gen

I don't remember this

Contrary to popular belief, Jimin's obsession with diet started long ago. After their debut, some cruel people's comments, especially about his cheeks, made him upset and sad, and he decided to go on a diet. And you can find the scene in the video of the 5th muster magic shop footage.

 

 

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20 hours ago, kiyatix said:

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Acting like what? Feminine? Why would a director ask him to act feminine, his character looked like they had to make jungkooks character feel suspicious of him. It just comes across as flirty to fans, but there would be no purpose for that in the skit. It would be a pretty weird request from a director and hard to replicate naturally, if that's what you're getting at.

 

I don't know why the director would want such a thing. Either he wanted something like this according to the script he had, or he directed wrongly his actor. A user above says he asked Jimin to act " creepy " Does the director think acting like a flirty little gay is creepy or did Jimin thinks like that? Both come to a bad conclusion for me. Since I didn't see Jimin saying anything like "creepy" in the video I watched, I completely blame the director.

12 hours ago, JiminsOppa said:

I really think its odd to insist that the version of events re Jimin in Paris is a lie. It is not unusual to go to a bar with a friend and hang out with people you meet there.  It is one thing for the company to say 'this member and this one woman never dated', its another for three different women to say nothing occurred and for none of the stalker fans in the bar to have suggested that wasn't true. We don't know what Jimin does or doesn't do in his private time. I think Kpop fans tend to go to extremes with dating - either they see a member within fifty feet of a woman and think they are secretly in love, or they shout from the rooftops that they don't date. Both mindsets are a bit weird. Men and women can actually exist around each other without dating.

I really am not a fan of the 'management is controlling them at all times and constantly lying' mentality. Its a mentality you see in extreme shippers who end up ruining peoples lives with baby conspiracies, like what happened with One Direction. It is one thing to know that BTS are, like any other band, a product that needs to be sold, and to know that their outfits aren't entirely picked by them and that they can't sit on camera and say anything that would look super bad. Its another to think that they sat down and told the whole band that Jimin has to act like a femme twink 24/7 when he's desperately hating it, and that everything being presented to the public is an entirely convoluted lie. 

On another person's comment, I agree that some cis het fans have weird ideas about Jimin's aesthetic. Like there are 'Jimin moodboards' which are all pink and fluffy and glittery, when...that's not how he dresses on or off stage. I attribute that primarily to shippers who love to have a submissive/dominant pairing, and like to view Jimin in various ships as their stand in. 

I think the conversation around Jimin often involves so many people's agendas. Some Korean fans, who IMO are clearly trying to make sure he isn't viewed as queer, will emphasise the 'flower boy' and 'cultural difference' thing, or the 'Kpop is all fake and he's playing a part' thing. Shippers will either overstate his feminimity in a really reductive way or understate it, depending on what their goal is. Queer fans will either see it as evidence he is queer, which it might be, we don't know, or they will turn it around and say that you can't use it as evidence he is queer because it's offensive - which I half agree with and half don't, I think it's folly to pretend that queer people don't signify themselves with clothing, comments, hobbies etc. 

Personally I'd be deeply, deeply surprised if Jimin is entirely straight. But I don't know. We may never know. 

It is clear that we think differently on many issues. Let's say we agree that we disagree. It seems to me that fans forget that BTS members are just doing their job just like other idols. Just like a model, actress, company employee, they have obligations to fulfill and conditions to comply with. That's why to me, it makes more sense to look at their personal activities, friends, and interests rather than focusing on idols' lives and conversations in front of the cameras in general.

 

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3 hours ago, greysides said:

i was back reading and im sorry but why do people act like jimin is innately especially feminine compared to the other members? i swear this is a new thing that never existed a few years back. i feel like since bts’ fanbase is so much bigger now and more geared toward american or western fans, people just glance at jimin and decide he’s really feminine when there’s nothing unique about him in that regard compared to any of the other members.

ofc they all have feminine and masculine sides to them like any other human does. but him saying he’d get make up for his dad sounds more like him being a seoulite than feminine, as skin care and men wearing light make up like concealer is not effeminate in seoul, its pretty standard self grooming. him saying “what is men” when jungkook said he shouldn’t take selfies back in 2016 is such a weird example because that was during a time when nobody considered him feminine the way people do now and if anything he was still in the middle of trying to be a ‘strong man’ if we go along with that narrative. its also a really innocuous comment about toxic masculinity that other members have made FAR bolder comments on since then that nobody says anything about. nobody says namjoon or yoongi are super feminine because they’ve denounced toxic masculinity in the past few years openly in english interviews (i.e. https://www.papermag.com/bts-2652995733.html?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2).

jimin makes two vague comments and that means he’s the one and only bts member who is especially feminine, who has been so brave to have denounced gender norms, he's accepted the real feminine part of himself and no longer has to lie and pretend to be masculine. wtf is that narrative. like if it were real it'd be awesome and i wouldn't blink before i'd be there supporting him, but what agitates me is it isn't real, it's made up and isn't genuinely based on anything, it's all projection. i'm sure he's grown in his own relationship to gender expression and i dont deny that and thats great, but thats not reflective of such an elaborate narrative that gets pushed around.

I’ve seen arguments like “he clearly wears more makeup/wears girly accessories” when he doesnt compared to any other members. he wears hoop earrings when lots of the other members have worn dangly earrings before? when nearly every kpop idol wears "effeminate" earrings by western standards? all of this seems to have been started by him saying he doesnt have to pretend to be a strong man in 2017. I’m really glad he doesnt feel pressured to do that anymore, but by god have people taken a personal, brief statement and ran a massive narrative about how it means he’s accepted that he’s truly very feminine (some people even insist he’s non-binary, he's frequently misgendered and over-sexualised on twitter) and has finally accepted that about himself. 

its a necessary convo to have about what its like to have hyper masculinity enforced onto men (its horrible) but its equally necessary to consider the dangers of enforcing hyper femininity onto people, women or men, especially when its based on very western standards of perceived arbitrary traits like things jimin wears or the way his body is (btw idk what these "things" are cause i dont get whats different about him than the other members?). 

before people get angry, i have nothing against feminine men, i love feminine men, random example but olly alexander from years and years is one of my heros and i adore tf out of him (he recently did the most iconic performance with elton john, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk4eMIswunQ&ab_channel=EltonJohn trust me im down with femininty), im a more feminine person. this has nothing to do with femininity itself, seeing men be open about and express their femininity is a beautiful and important thing.

what bothers me about this is a) its fucked up to enforce anything upon someone, especially when its personal and especially when its not based on anything concrete in the first place. jimin just breathes and it feels like theres apparently some secret feminine way he did it that im missing with the way people refer to him nowadays. like its just common place that everyone has agreed he's especially feminine and androgynous. b) it feels covertly racist. it reminds me of the way in western culture people put so much effort in trying to emasculate east asian men. just because jimin has nice lips and a nice face doesnt mean he needs to be the super feminine gender-norms-shattering andro fantasy you have.

he could be considered similar to a young brad pitt with that face but ofc not, really it means he’s actually androgynous according to people. on top of that nobody in korea or the korean fanbase seem to have the same narrative. at most people admire his cute side, but even then people see that its just one side of him. ive never heard or seen the korean army describe him as feminine the way people in american fandoms do. in interviews in korea nobody has trouble acknowledging he's your run-of-the-mill idol, even if they appreciate the different sides of him.

why does jimin’s very standard expression of femininity and masculinity as a 21st century idol male from seoul need to be put under a microscope and constantly defined. why is he special compared to the other members who don’t behave any differently to him? is it cause he’s a shorter, smaller member? then why doesnt yoongi get the same treatment? is it cause his voice is high? is it cause people hate seeing an east asian man who is smaller and has a pretty face not be especially feminine? cause it feels like that 

This! I think him being a dancer has a lot to do with these kinds of theories about Jimin. 

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4 hours ago, blossoms said:

 

 

 

dunno what was going on with these two today but it's all over twitter - the way these two interact is quite interesting to me, anyone have any thoughts?

Have you ever seen Taehyung with Jungkook?  Pretty much same. This is considering normal for an Korean standards I think lol

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15 hours ago, joonsoulie said:

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Also by god I love Jimin with all my heart but sometimes he does a bit too much bc what is this

 

 

 

Are you new to kpop? Because what I've seen is fanservice 101. The more I see this behavior of Jimin in front of the cameras, the more I'm sure he's not gay. 

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19 hours ago, dododododododo said:

Didn’t you call slow, deliberate on-camera thigh rubbing “normal for Korean standards” like a page ago

Yes and? Skinship is normal among men in Korea and they use it to their advantage when fanservice, as in the video on the previous page. Interesting to Western fans, but ordinary to Korean fans. This is why western fans and Korean fans think so differently about Jimin. Do you think if Jimin was really gay or was in a relationship with one of the members, would he act like he did with Jungkook and the other members? With all the cameras shooting it? No way lol He knows very well what he's doing and it's called fanservice. Get over it Jikookers. Negging me will not change the truth lol

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22 hours ago, dododododododo said:

I’m not a Jikooker or a shipper, and actually got negged for saying I didn’t think Jimin was as queer as people on here make him out to be lol. I’m pointing out your original comment because you, as well as many in this thread and kpop fans in general, seem to be picking and choosing what you consider fanservice based on what you *want* to be true

comment in question for the rest of the class lol: https://onehallyu.com/topic/64-which-male-idols-do-you-think-are-gay/?do=findComment&comment=31163760

”Have you ever seen Taehyung with Jungkook?  Pretty much same. This is considering normal for an Korean standards I think lol”

And what's wrong with my comment? Or are you not aware that I put Taehyung and Jungkook's interactions in the same basket with this answer? Yes, Tae is using something that is something normal in Korea to fan service. There's no other reason why he's cupping and stroking Jungkook's tigth in front of the cameras, fanservice 101.

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22 hours ago, joonsoulie said:

Okay but... if it's normal behavior why wouldn't he do it in front of a camera even if he's gay

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Also don't you call fanservice anything except Taekook moments? Lol

 

Please be honest, why would a company who has roots deep in an homophobic environment be so comfortable with promoting a real gay couple so obviously-that could do so much harm if anything goes wrong- that much? Hybe's first priority is money, why would they let this potential atomic bomb to their income drop so freely? Instead of cutting these scenes, they publish them in their official stuff. What does this tell you? I don't know if you've ever heard what ex-rookies say but they did tell that real gay idols are more lay down and careful. Because it's not just their careers that's at stake, it's their family, even his friends life as well. A world famous idol like Jimin, I think he would be much more careful than that if he was actually gay. It's just us who get confused because we're not used to their culture. Our view of the fan service is really different from the point of view of Asian fans. I think Jpop fans understand very well what I mean. We watch dozens of times more brave fanservice than what Jpop idols do in Kpop, and no one think that idols are actually gay because they know they're just doing it for business and to entertain the audience. It's very rare for a ship to be truly popular in Japan. And just because Tae is my bias doesn't mean I'm closer to a Tae-oriented ships. It's only natural to find things interesting beyond fanservice. I mean, I'm the one carrying all the rumors about Tae and Bogum here, and accusing me of being a shipper is a bit silly.

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1 minute ago, dododododododo said:

My mistake then lol, randomly comparing the clip to Taehyung and Jungkook and calling that action “normal” with no other commentary made me think you were just shipping on main

No, you misunderstood me. What I mean by "normal" is what both Taehyung and Taeyong do in the videos. They were both doing almost the same things. As others have said, maybe it's something they've been taught, I don't know lol 

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23 hours ago, plutto said:

I wouldn't call it fanservice, at least not in the sense of "intimate acts that they're doing for the fans". Looking at those moments and the maaany other ones for Memories 2020, you'll notice that most of them happened when the camera wasn't directly at them/when they didn't notice that the camera was at them. It's obvious that they're like this out of genuine affection for each other.

I wouldn't say it's completely normal for them to be so intimate though... Recently there was an account of someone who worked with them as staff. According to them, two of the BTS members were being intimate with each other during their work together (sitting on each other's laps). Excluding the other BTS members and the Big Hit staff, all the other staff were a bit shocked by that. I'm not saying this is proof that they're all actually dating or something, though, I'm just giving a different perspective to the "korean men are always super intimate with each other" argument.

I've always come across these so-called insiders, sasaengs, and ex-staff/rookies from various social media platforms. When you take a look at their accounts, you can understand that they copied what they heard from other similar accounts or that they are a shipper trying to validate their ship lol 

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3 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

My gut feeling is that one them will be out their serious relationship within next 3 years. Probably the older ones. 

Rumor has it that Jin has been seeing someone seriously for about two years, but Idk if it's true.

 

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1 hour ago, Dont mind me said:

Yeah I get what your saying, but you gotta admit they didn't need to show it. I also don't believe they are covering for something. I just wish they would stop with unnecessary recordings. Not everything needs to be explained to fans or for us to see it. 

This is a really realistic approach. If anyone believes that a multi-millionaire company can be so open about a relationship that could cause a scandal that could destroy its revenues, they're just lying to themselves. Why didn't the makeup artist cover his neck? Why did Jimin have to try to explain it in front of the cameras? Why Big Hit put this in the DVD? There's a reason why something that can easily be resolved with make-up becomes a DVD material..

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On 9/11/2021 at 6:08 PM, Josaline said:

Have you heard anything about Yoo Seung Ho? I've been watching his dramas recently and he's pretty interesting.

According to rumors I've read, the reason why he wanted to enlist at such an early age is to get rid of the gay rumors about him after his drama with Ji Chang Wook as soon as possible. As an actor, he didn't want to get stuck in these rumors like Lee Joon Gi before. For those of you who may not know, Joon Gi's first movie where he shined was a BL and then rumors surfaced that he was gay for a very long time (and still going). He was also so devoted to his role that it is said that he could not get rid of the effeminate gestures he acquired for the role.But as the person above said, both of them give utmost importance to their private lives and also their fans are protective over them.

 

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28 minutes ago, chuuerys said:

What's everyone's consensus on taekook? It amazes me how they have so many shippers that believe they're in a relationship for sure however I don't see it.. taekookers are litch rally the modern day larry shippers

We don't talk about ships here, if you have nothing else to offer go cry somewhere else.

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7 hours ago, chuuerys said:

sorry I thought that bringing up a gay relationship that many ppl wholeheartedly believe is real was related to idols being gay is there another thread u can direct me to a more relevant so I can cry on there instead?

 

5 hours ago, chuuerys said:

yeahh I've noticed they have drifted apart- and ik a few ppl will disagree but I can't help but wonder if them seeing all the shippers made them uncomfortable and interact way less..yh it's a... thought and I hope that isn't the case at all but idk. I find it crazy how they still have so many 'believers'. even after taehyung told a shipper on weverse to pretty much stop being delusional, they're out here bending over backwards saying it was a mistranslation.. like no melissa, get off the poor boys' backs!

One, there is a Taekook ship thread, if you want to talk about them, go there.

Second, stop spreading misinformations. It wasn't a mistranslation, but the contex was not what some fans thought. If you really think Tae is going to snap a shipper in front of millions of fans on Weverse and imply that he doesn't like Jungkook, you're naive. What Tae was trying to do was obviously joking by telling the girl not to be too imaginative about Jungkook, but as usual, people misunderstood him. Also, I remind you that if Tae was this uncomfortable with the shippers, he wouldn't have saying few days after this  "he's sleeping next to me". Or a week later he wouldn't argue with another fan named "Jungkook's Lover" and tell her that her imagination was too strong lol Just let it go. 

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22 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

 

One, there is a Taekook ship thread, if you want to talk about them, go there.

Second, stop spreading misinformations. It wasn't a mistranslation, but the contex was not what some fans thought. If you really think Tae is going to snap a shipper in front of millions of fans on Weverse and imply that he doesn't like Jungkook, you're naive. What Tae was trying to do was obviously joking by telling the girl not to be too imaginative about Jungkook, but as usual, people misunderstood him. Also, I remind you that if Tae was this uncomfortable with the shippers, he wouldn't have saying few days after this  "he's sleeping next to me". Or a week later he wouldn't argue with another fan named "Jungkook's Lover" and tell her that her imagination was too strong lol Just let it go. 

lmao the negs. Like I care lol Y'all know I'm right. Here~

 

8 hours ago, Josaline said:

Here we go again... Sometimes people are so eager to cancel shippers that I think they can't think straight. Imagine a BTS member blatantly admitting in front of all the fans that he's dislikes or don't love another member, shattering the group's "Awww we love each other so much" image and show a huge blow to the company's revenues. Please be reasonable.

 

lmao this one is so funny. When the girl's nickname caught his attention, he told her "Your imagination is so strong" and then she said to him "Because imagination is free", then Tae left the playroom and set up another playroom, but he didn't invite her, leaving her to die in the other playroom lol

 

He ditched girl just like that lol If they had a bit of logic, they would have known that Tae wouldn't be targeting shippers anyway. Tae is more sensitive about his members, he doesn't even care about other things. If he was this uncomfortable, he wouldn't be the king of fanservice by posing in the middle of the awards ceremony with Jungkook just a few weeks after this incident.

Look how uncomfortable he is. He doesn't feed the shippers at all lol

 

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17 hours ago, miwa201 said:

People "read too much into" Taekook because of their shippers, it's as simple as that. They're the ones who have made it difficult to discuss their relationship in the first place. Like yeah, jikook shippers have become insane too, but taekook shippers are still worse. Just now they're freaking out about Taehyung and Jungkook sharing a car (do they think they're going to fuck in the car or something lmao) and spreading lies that they'll share a room (BTS haven't shared a room overseas in years). It's impossible to talk about their relationship normally because it has become Larry 2.0. 

As for "doing everything to cancel shippers"... lmao. Sorry I find people who spend hours overanalyzing a relationship that is only seen via cameras between two real people weird as hell. Especially when it often reeks of fetishism. I have no patience for RPF shippers, no matter who is involved. Kpop feeds into it a lot, but that's not an excuse for the way people talk about these real people.

Huh? What are you talking about? It was an Ateez sasaeng who started this drama and then it went viral when a popular BTS anti on Twitter saw it and shared it. Then, of course, shippers lost themself into delulu world lol 

14 hours ago, chuuerys said:

kind of funny how the same person that said to not bring up taekook here is a closeted taekooker

It's me who says that to you Taekook shouldn't be talked about here, this isn't a shipper thread but I'm the Taekook shipper again? 

 

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17 hours ago, chuuerys said:

yes.

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2 hours ago, Josaline said:

I saw some on Twitter sharing this rumor from supposed sasaengs. It didn't sound convincing to me at all.

 

Two male idols will announce their same-sex relationship, [this announcement] is planned to make homosexuality as a regular thing in K-Pop (Not from a famous group) Both plan to living abroad after this announcement, used to be in a group that has popular song, probably gen 2. This new was broke by a chinese whistleblower back in August.

At least it's different from the rumor that has been circulating for YEARS that Dispatch is going to blow up the relationship between two members from a very popular boy group who are their age 2 years apart lol 

1 hour ago, gam3 bo1 said:

i feel like there's been rumours like this for years and nothing has ever come out of them? i feel like if something like this happened it would seem spontaneous and there would be no rumours surrounding it because how would these leakers know if idols were planning to come out unless they were friends, family, maybe managers or what not. that'd be shitty of them to leak.

Maybe one or both of them with some company, and whispers are circulating as this company is in preparation for announcement? Rumor has it that some companies are buying information from rival companies' sasaengs. But I think the chance of this rumor being true is pretty low.

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1 hour ago, Kpop_fan178 said:

Since you are talking about Jpop and it seems that here are some older fans I am curious what do u guys think about Jin Akanishi. Apparently there have been numerous reports of him hanging out in 2-chome(the gay district) with men. I know he is married with a woman and has a child but I have seen rumors of him even after his marriage. Like what is the consensus between fans?

 

He has 2 child, one girl and one boy. I remember @Josaline had written about him before? 

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13 minutes ago, AstroBaby said:

Not gay but related to lgbt rights in SK + the military (more in thread)

 

Isn't it a little late for that?  It's so ironic that they took this decision after the poor girl committed suicide. 

 

 

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What am I seeing? Taekook is being discussed properly and there is no fight? It must be a first lol 

When I look back at their relationship over the years, what I see is two people who always support, always protect and value each other. You can see this kind of friendship dynamic in different ways in Hopekook, Jikook, Vmin or VHope. They don’t need to do this in front of the cameras, just like Tae quietly supported him with the “I Love You” sign and Jungkook noticed it and reacted at the concert when Jungkook was not feeling well. They go on midnight trips just like in Malta and sunrise like in Saipan. They goes movies and dinners, just like they go in Namsan and Parasite. They watch Kdramas, play video games or sing karaoke together. They work out together and share a private playlist and private photo collection of eo, they have a meaningful handshakes. It's really ridiculous to me that fans know all this but think they are not friends or are acting awkward towards each other.

BH thought they did something, making in the soop wholesome and authentic by sitting those two down and letting them ‚rekindle‘ their friendship as if they haven‘t been close the last years. I don’t doubt that things have changed, them too and maybe they had problems communicating at some point but seriously, this doesn‘t explain why this would suddenly be a topic open for the public, when BH has taken so much time in the past, cutting their interactions as if they don‘t exist in the same space? This was weird asf. I don‘t know what else to say.

 

4 hours ago, Josaline said:

Fair enough. I don't %100 believe anything that comes out of idols' mouths. These are the guys who can look into the eyes of the camera and easily lie about Dynamite or play around with fake personalities for years. It's always best to leave a margin of doubt in what they say or do.

I really admire your patience lol

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3 hours ago, babyv004 said:

are you getting bitter bc of a clown?! wtf 
i didn't bc majority of the time i don't even bother to read once i realize the post is about bts. i tend to skip bts debates here.

but i clowned the one you tag all of us bc that was stupid af and once again off-topic

i would prefer that this thread would die for good that have to go through pages and pages of pointless debates about bts that are not even related to the topic.

just create a thread to talk about all this, jesus. is not that hard 

just called the thread "rambling about bts" or smth like that

that is why people hate armys. you guys are annoying af, childish and don't understand the importance of staying in topic bc you guys only care about talking about your faves no matter what.

but since you guys probably will continuing with this bs i think i will just leave for good this thread. it is pointless for me now

 

omg the way you're so bitter because people talk about BTS lol Other users are posting page after page about Taeyong or NCT ships, not one Army comes out and tells them to shut up. I hope you don't come back because we clearly don't need you anyway.

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7 hours ago, Josaline said:

Close ups. Tae patting Jungkook's head and Jungkook's heartfelt cherr was really sweet. 

 

 

 

The way Jungkook hugs himself ;_;

 

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1 hour ago, MybDsTm said:

So what do you guys think of that Taekook moments in Harry's concert while singing Falling? Just drunk maybe? 

I was quite surprised to see Tae drinking that much. I would have expected it from Jimin, but he was well behaved last night

 

Jimin's alcohol tolerance is as high as Suga, even Suga thought it was Jimin who finished the whiskey bottle alone on In the Soop. Jimin has been trying not to drink much in front of the cameras lately, but according to Jin, it's not so behind the camera. We've seen Jimin and Jungkook running around the garden and pushing each other like kids when they drunk. It is not possible to see Taehyung when he is drunk because he does not like to drink. But it seems that if Tae is drunk with people or JK, he likes to hug them. I think it's obvious from the first drunkenness pictures lol But I think the best part is that the images/videos from this concert have silenced those who said that Taekook was awkward towards each other.