Which male idols do you think are gay?

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V is confusing to me. Like, I totally get why people would think he's asexual but then he does shit like this which is definitely not asexual. 

 

 

 

V was definitely being thirsty for J-Hope there. 

 

BTS is just one of those confusing groups for me.

 

Totally agree with the idea that Suga is pan. Too many comments he's made about how it's what's inside that's important, not the outside. Plus of course the Oricon interview and the Cypher 3 lyrics.

 

Jimin is definitely not straight. 

 

J-Hope definitely not straight 

 

Jungkook has struck me as straight but enjoys the companionship and the skinship. Though he does have interesting reactions around older men. 

 

Jin always came across as straight to me as well.

 

Rapmon never pinged me either. 

 

Of course if we believe Kinsey very few people are 100% straight or 100% gay anyway, so I don't find it beyond the realm of possibility that most of the members of BTS are non-straight to one degree or another. Same with some of the other groups mentioned here. 

 just about thoughts that Suga is pan. no matter what they say. i mean the line from cypher and other situations when potential gays say that they are bisexual, pan and so on. i personally faced the case when pure gay had been giving me the hints that he is bisexual. when we became closer, he confessed that he never liked girls at all. i mean that for gay people is much easier to say that they are bi, pan etc. because it sounds not so scary. 

 

 

 

jungkook is one member ik for a fact is straight. his dating history??? more fucked than his grades.

 

jimin is weird i think. i only hear about him connected to women, which leads me to believe he's straight. i do hear that he's .... hmm ... dont wanna be too direct but if he was a game his difficulty would be easy, nah mean? so while i haven't heard about him having any encounters w anyone from the same sex i don't think it's impossible for him. he strikes me as one of those "a hole is a hole" type of ppl.

 

that vine is fanservice, btw. tae is one member who stays in idol mode whenever he's outside of the dorm. trust. i've also heard of him dating a girl, but other than that?? not much?? so idk about him. he really seems sexless to me it's so weird. i know he isn't, i know his dating history, but i just?? can't??? see??? anything??

 

i don't have anything on anyone else, so everything is just kinda guessing/vibes. 

 

suga's pan, he gotta be. rap mon? straight. jin? straight and i feel like ppl on think jin is gay bc hes pretty and is fine w being feminine. jhope? gay. 

 

the similar situations is about relations with girls. do you really think that gay men never date a girl? i would say more: more than a half of gay men MARRY a woman. especially in conservative countries like Korea. just recall the famous people like Oscar Wilde, who had a pretty wife and two sons.

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Isn't it an official proof of Jimin's liking the way Jungkook plays with him?

And during the broadcast his face was just happy and playful, without any shade of offense.

 

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no one asked but

jin - bi

suga - gay

j-hope - bi/gay

rap monster - bi

jimin - gay

v - gay/bi

jungkook - gay

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Pretty interesting, taking into account the lyrics of the song.

"All of this is not a coincidence

The two of us found fate

DNA"

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"My DNA wants you from the beginning

This is destiny I love us

We are the only true lovers"

Maybe fanservice, but still interesting.

https://twitter.com/jhopebase/status/911276661445763072

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Which girls have you been around? Maybe 13 year olds do (maybe), but I don't believe that they'd cuddle in their underwear lol. It's just too weird.

 

V was really really weird in both incidents (cuddling Jimin in underwear and practically grinding Jin lol). If this was normal behavior, Jimin wouldn't have said he was uncomfortable at first. 

 

Actually, I've been meaning to post this a lot. Look at how the older, established groups/idols react to skinship. They are more representative of the actual Korean society than the young ones who do skinship for camera.

 

I don't think Korean men have no boundaries, like these young groups would like us to believe when on cam. Maybe when they were kids with no inhibitions, but not young adults going through puberty, and definitely not grown adults. That's too weird. 

 

In a Mom's diary episode Moon Hee jun asked Tony An whether he and Jaeduck have skinship. Tony was too defensive, and said he never laid hands on him, didn't even hold hands with him. That seems more normal than believing grown adult men would find it normal to be all over each other.

I totally agree with you. I was studying in Asian country (not Korea) and often hanged out with Koreans, both girls and boys like from 20 to 27 y.o. Some of them were close friends (I believe they are straight, at least they haven't pinged me ever for half a year and, on the contrary, showed a lot of interest in girls) and they had skinship maybe twice in a month (if it was a lucky one) and mostly it came from the eldest guy, sometimes he could pat his dongsaeng's head or hug slightly, but that's all. Two of them, of the same age (what's I think is important because they feel more free with each other) were close friend, they came together to study, and they maybe touched each other's three time for the whole six month? I was shocked a little bit because I was ready to all this skinship shit between Korean friends that I read on the internet.

The same thing (maybe a bit better) is with girls (I should say that Chinese girls are far more opened to this stuff). All of them liked touching another girls' hair (even if they are not too close, that was with me and my friends), sometimes clothes, and they definitely like hugging each other. We often visited them in their dorm and they were relaxed and homey but no cuddling in underwear and even no more innocent things.

Idk, maybe I knew some weird Koreans, but it seems to me that the whole thing about skinship between Korean friends is a bit overrated and speculated. 

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there reacgion in radio interview where they met RJ's daughter also cleared it they are at least bi if not straight. only tae didn't show any reaction to her. yoongi had the most obvious reaction lol

all of them are not stones and especially yoongi has really live facial expressions. if you watch the whole video you will see that he reacted to some things (and no girls on the screen lol) not less lively. and the second person who had the liveliest reaction to the girl appearing was jimin. i'm not saying that boy is a 100% gay but still... it could hardly be a sign of the real romantic/sexual attraction.

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I had some doubts about Jungkook, but they were a little shaken today. He was staring at IU with literally big heart eyes lol. At least there is now evidence that he is interested in a girl. 

 

 

IU: my speech is too long?

Kookie: "shaking his head", No it's ok

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMeEkDPb_Gc

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwm9btK1uCc

I deeply apologise, maybe my myopia plays a cruel joke to me, but I watched these videos like three times and saw nothing similar to the "heart eyes". I saw gay fanboys' reaction to the Lady Gaga perfomance and they had these "heart eyes" and their reaction was 10 (or even more) times brighter. Ofc, all the people are different, but even in Jungkook's case I can say that the term "heart eyes" is more suitible for his reaction to RM, for example.

All I see is childlish cheering for the favourite artist and appeasement while listening to favourite music.

And the thing is not in the fact that "I don't like it", I just don't see it. As I said before, maybe something is wrong with my eyes idk. Just trying to estimate in the context of comparison taking particular person. Because everything is relative.

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ok so I've been waiting for this question ever since I found this thread (which was literally a day ago lmao). 

I’m actually quite surprised by how people say Jimin pings them. Like, you haven't noticed even a hint of het?

'Cos from what I see he's at least bi/pan.. 

 

This is coming from someone who’s ultimate bias is Jimin for 2-3 years now, & has probably paid more attention to him than most of the people claiming he's gay. Other than that I’ve also been a fan of BTS and watching them on pretty much anything they’ve been on since 2013 so I can reference both old and new times where Jimin isn’t as 100% gay as many of you seem to think. AND, I’m an actual pansexual myself.  Not saying all this to completely validate my argument, but it might reason with why I personally think Jimin is also bi/pansexual. 

 

* Warning, this is going to be a LONGASS read but I feel that everything said in this post is rather necessary to see my perspective (basically, I’m terrible at summarizing so bare with me, if you're even going to read).

Also, I’m not trying to force my opinion on anyone, this is just as much of an observation as what everyone else has said thus far.

 

 

First off, let me say that I’ve never seen a completely gay male do the things Jimin does. And I mean both in Korea and America (I'm also Korean-American so I'm more familiar with how Koreans generally are). Dunno else where but again, we’re taking this from my experience and viewpoint. And yes, I'm a person actively involved with the lgbqt community, I’ve met and am close friends with a lot of very different and very gay people. In the end, we’ll never know anyone’s sexual identity unless they open up about it themselves (but even then, they could be closet cases or they just haven't explored their sexuality enough yet).

 

Anyways, since people have already discussed how “gay†Jimin can be, I’m going to provide more of his “het†-> pan side to further support the idea that Jimin isn’t just attracted to males.

 

1. He's had a girlfriend before. I know having a girlfriend doesn’t always mean you’re straight, you could just be hiding that you’re gay, especially if you live in a homophobic area (to which I will mention that I don’t remember a moment said where Jimin’s parents didn’t support him, so if he really is gay/pan/whatever I wouldn’t be surprised if they accepted that part of him already). Either way, he seemed to really care about the girl, although apparently it was a one-sided relationship, and Jimin was the one giving his all into the relationship...  I remember at least two instances where Namjoon briefly mentioned Jimin's past relationship, something about the girl not being fully committed/that Jimin hasn’t been in a healthy relationship? Or maybe Jimin said that. I forgot exactly what he said / when but if someone knows what I’m talking about, it’d be helpful to add reference. You can also see pics of him with a girl(s) if you search up “Jimin 2011†pics. One of the pics clearly look like he's going to prom/some dance event with a girl; in another he's clearly on a date since he's holding hands with a girl and they're in one of the most popular dating hotspots in Korea.

 

There’s also this:

Context: Namjoon and Jimin were invited to Shindong’s radio show and in this segment they’re doing roleplay with Secret’s Hana. Hana has to pretend to be angry at Jimin for playing games instead of paying attention to her, while Jimin has to “melt†her anger with aegyo.

Jimin fails his first attempt so (at 1:03) Shindong asks Jimin if he’s ever dated before, Jimin replies that he has when he was younger. (1:18) Jimin looks a bit upset, and personally I don’t think it’s because he was failing, but because of the sudden reminder of his past relationship. Even though he’s all smiley notice how his response gets slower and he seems more choked up on his second attempt, which he also fails. He looks like he’s wiping away tears (at 1:58), and not in a joking matter. (2:00) Shindong seems to notice because he says “I didn’t think this was a punishment but it really is a punishmentâ€. And Jimin, being the type of person he is, tries to divert attention from himself and act like he's fine, going on to say Namjoon should do the challenge because apparently Namjoon is better at aegyo.

 

2.  As an expressive dancer, you tend to be able to articulate emotions so well that people often misunderstand your actions. Jimin is a very expressive dancer, and often times when you watch him dance (or at least when I watch him dance), it's like he has no gender and he's just a human being dancing. Well really, dance has no gender but there are traditional/stereo-typical ways males/females should dance. This can confuse people into thinking someone is gay, especially if they are un-cultured in this area.

 

3. I've seen some people make the claim that Jimin is gay just because he often seems "feminine". But here's the thing. Femininity does not equal gay. For example, there's a male dancer (Bongyoung Park) at 1Million Dance Studio that everyone thought was gay just because he dances with heels, wears rips in his jeans that reveal his butt, and the way he dances seems feminine, but he's actually completely straight.

He says this himself here (3:23). Before anyone says that he could be hiding because he lives in oh-so homophobic Korea, no, no. Watch the whole segment because he says he's very accepting of gays, but he is not one himself.

Might seem rare but feminine boys that are completely straight DO EXIST. This is a fact.

Another example, “otomen†which is Japan slang for a man who has “feminine†hobbies and skills and a “feminine†way of thinking, but is straight. Or even fudanshi who are (supposedly) straight males that enjoy reading yaoi/boys love stories. Surprisingly enough, there are also straight drag queens. I'm also going to add, that Jimin does not seem all that feminine to me, like at all. He's just very baby-like... not to be thought of in a weird way, it's just that he has this very innocent/docile/lovely aura at times, which may/may not be an act, cos he can also be very mature (Namjoon said that Jimin is the grandpa of the group, not Yoongi; and most accounts of people who have seen Jimin irl and not in a idol-related setting, have noticed that Jimin seems very manly, almost cold and pretty quiet).

 

4. This isn't a "het" example, but if Jimin really does like Jungkook / any of the other members romantically as these shippers suggest, that just goes to show how he is fluid with his sexuality (considering that he has dated a girl before and if he wasn’t doing it just for show). 

 

5. Another reason why I put Jimin as potentially bi/pansexual is bc he’s just someone who needs love and affection, doesn’t matter who/what gender is giving that to him. Pans are generally open-minded people and Jimin is also very open-minded. Members revealed Jimin to be the member most likely to date an older female. Older female, to me, basically translates to someone mature or at least someone who will dote on Jimin, give him the attention his personality needs. It also correlates to his bratty sub attributes, where he needs someone more dominant to make him feel content. I realize I just brought up "Jimin is a bratty sub" out of no where but sub/dom dynamics are pretty relevant to how one acts, which again, makes some people assume sexuality even though sub/dom actually has nothing to do with your sexuality. 

 

6.  Btw just because a male is a sub, that does not mean he’s gay. There are plenty of women who are willing to dominate a man and plenty of men who are willing to be dominated by a woman. I personally don’t think Jimin’s a full sub, he does have some dom in him but he does seem to prefer being a sub (at least around his band mates lmao). If you couldn't tell, I'm a whole ì§ì˜¬ë°”í…€ enthusiast...

 

7. Jimin LOVES skinship / at least loves being the one to initiate. This was something he has liked ever since he was little (as he said in some hyyh video interview, which I’m too lazy to fetch links to atm). It's part of the reason why he’s clingy to his band members and friends. < I’m pretty sure he said that too/this was in the caption of that video.

 

8. Jimin is also (imo) a very pretty male. I can see how this might confuse some people out there into thinking he's gay. Again, femininity does not equal gay. It only seems that way because many feminine gays are very loud and out there lol. There are just as many masculine gays out there, honestly. 

 

9. Jimin generally loves impressing people but if you were straight up gay, why would you feel the need to impress girls? 

 

10. He seemed quite content and proud of himself after Hoseok said his sister likes him.

 

11. He was recorded for a small sect on Idol Seat on 1theK’s channel, and he spoke VERY affectionately/intimately to the noona that was interviewing him. Well... every idol on that show spoke affectionately to the noona but again, if you were 100% gay... you wouldn't react like he did lol.  

 

12. There's an interview they did during Wings promotion, where Jimin out of nowhere unzipped his jacket, bared his chest, and teased his nipple area. While some may think "well that's gay", there are plenty of woman that actually do play with men's nipples. I believe the reason he did that was to get a reaction out of the female staff, because you can clearly hear them giggle in the background while he does his indecent little act. And then there's Namjoon, who scolds Jimin, telling him that he can do that back in their dorm. I mean, it does go both ways.

 

13. The way Jimin interacts with female fans? You could call it fan service, but generally/strictly gay people would not do what he does, like holding hands, looking deep into their eyes, etc. That would actually be kinda rude as a gay man. Misleading girls, I mean. Anyways, he really does flirt a lot with his audience, which the majority is obviously girls. He can get really intimate too. There are several reasons why a lot of K-Armys went crazy over this v live: http://www.vlive.tv/video/17720?channelCode=FE619  

The beginning when he’s whispering? Fuck OFF. Okay, this doesn’t prove that he’s not completely gay or whatever, but I’m just adding it cos it made my own damn heart flutter lmao (and at the time I watched this, I wasn’t as romantically in love with Jimin as I am nowadays lol). 

23:38 a fan told him to concentrate, but more specifically said “oppa concentrateâ€. He then goes on to try and concentrate but then says he can’t concentrate bc “that sentence is lingering in my mindâ€. He also says “you’re such a daring girlâ€. You can tell he was CHEESING out about it to himself the way he was trying to hide his smile lmaooo. Someone posted about this v live moment, was it yesterday? but I think they misunderstood why he said that... His kinky side just peaked through, and I say this because at 24:45 he starts talking about things he could do with “youâ€, as if talking to a girl/boyfriend or someshit. He literally said “sleep together†too. Like, BEECHduhfuk.? He was about to go full on boyfriend mode ugh 

(I’m sorry if I seem too much of a fangirl atm, but I'll be honest here, I’ve only just realized this year how much I’m in actual love with Jimin lmfao. I wouldn’t care less if he’s actually gay though, I know I have no chances with him anyways. He’d still be my ideal type of human).

 

14. Jimin LOVES being called pretty. Doesn’t matter if male or female. We’ve already seen him getting all mushy/shy/proud when a member/male compliments him but here’s when a female calls him pretty. You can’t look at this and tell me he strictly only has feelings towards males. Just look at his reaction.

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15. Some other small things that tell me Jimin isn’t completely straight tho: His wallpaper used to be Lady Gaga, a whole iconic lgbqt queen and if not for Snapchat cutting him off, I’m 1000% sure “Lady†= Lady Gaga as artists he was anticipating for in BBMAs.

 

16. Now that I think about it, he could also be panromantic. In which case Jimin could have romantic feelings for a male but wouldn't have sex with him bc he's "straight". or vice versa. I mean there are so many. different types of sexualities out there, but this is a "which male idols do you think are gay" topic so, we'll leave it at that.

 

17. He called Rihanna sexy after watching one of her old performances at AMAs. I do realize some gay men also call women sexy, referring to their visual appeal, not necessarily with any romantic/sexual emotions attached. But this is still potential evidence.

 

18. He has a hentai figurine of Nami (One Piece) standing in his bedroom. Could just be a gift, could just be a collector's hobby since he likes One Piece.

 

19. ...Don’t let what you read in fanfics confuse you with reality. I’ve read a shitload of fanfics that portray Jimin as this slutty bottom boy that’s definitely very gay for dick but comparing it to irl Jimin… it’s very unrealistic.

 

20. This applies to anyone that's suspected to be gay, but men admiring each other’s bodies in Korea/Asia is actually nothing new. It most certainly isn’t considered gay either. They’re basically just sizing each other up, comparing. I mean, dick size is important for some men cos they think having a small dick is smth to be ashamed of. Now that I think about it, I’ve seen straight American men do this too, but no one really points out/thinks that’s gay either. So I wonder why some people use this as evidence to claim that someone is gay...

 

 

Before anyone concludes that Jimin is straight because of what I've said so far, I actually don't think that's the case. I really do see Jimin as potentially bi/pan because of the interest he's also shown in males. Just searching up "gay Jimin" will show you that he's possibly not just interested in girls either.

 

If anyone actually wants to get into a proper discussion/argument with me, read all of what I said before you come at me. Again, I'm not here forcing my opinion on anyone. These are just my observations with a couple facts thrown in there. If necessary, I will also provide photos/videos of some points where I didn't but a visual reference should/could be there, I'm just too lazy to fetch those right now. I spent.. quite some time writing this and I haven't proof-read either lmao.

 

I also have thoughts on other members, although it may not be as in depth as my analysis for Jimin. 

I'll probably post later if anyone's interested.

 

I am also Jimin stan for 2,5 years and from the very beginning till these days my thoughts about him have never changed. Yeah, he is not 100% gay. Maybe in some points you listed I could argue but I don't find it sensible because the message is clear and I agree with it. With some addition. He is not gay, but he definetely prefers men and the difference between the power of his attraction to men and women is significant (imo !!!).

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Recently,i've noticed something about RM.RM looks at Jimin with a tender expression and he's calm with him.I used to think he was straight,but now i got my doubts

 

Tbh, I believe that RM has a type of crush for Jimin. At least since AHL.

 

Since then he constantly talks about how cute and sexy Jimin is and also his stares... And from the latest content, that live on VApp in the studio became pretty awkward when Jimin appeared. 

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People like bringing up Jungkook's behaviour with girls as proof of his sexuality, but I don't think it's anything but extreme caution. He gets shipped with everyone who breathes in his direction and I feel like he thinks it's disrespectful and really tries to discourage it. It's kind of part of his image too, the cool boy who doesn't react to girls. He was really openly adoring of IU at MMAs (and even there careful not to sit too close to her) and that blew up a bit, then the next time they were at a show together, he actively walked back so he wouldn't stand next to her. I don't see that as disinterest so much as being extremely careful.

I agree here that his "fear" of the girls doesn't mean nothing connected with sexuality at all. His disinterest in girls is shown just in... disinterest. And that's all. Imo ofc. As well as his adoring of IU hadn't romantical interpretation.

 

the Hollywood crush thing has been discussed before, I actually think some of them just don't watch Western movies, I wouldn't read too much into that. I mean Jin said Brad Pitt. Jimin said, I think, he only watched some films that V recommended, the Notebook being among them and Jungkook doesn't seem to watch many Western movies either, or at all. I can't remember if he's ever recommended one. I think only RM and V seem really interested in Western films. And V just mentioned the actresses from the two movies he said he liked in 2017. It's possible they legit don't know any actresses lol. Didn't Jimin say he used to think Grammy was a person? lmao

Well, in 2014 (I guess) Jungkook was able to name Emma Watson at least? And his behavior when he (not)answered this question for TWO times was pretty telling. He just didn't want to.

 

As for the high heels clip, I think they wouldn't have turned off the light, RM is and has been for ages an outspoken LGBT ally (the only declared one in BTS, which people sometimes forget) and extremely open-minded person and V, even though I don't know his stance on homosexuality, is someone who enjoys quirky stuff/people. He seems like he'd enjoy anything he found funny/entertaining, without thinking too much about the implications.

I bet that none of heterosexual men will find dancing in high heels with half-naked male dancers funny/entertaining.

And even though this still could be questionable, he constantly does other things that hardly blend in the desire to do something funny or entertaining. For example, flirting with men.

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Ok, I get that possible relationships between members is part of this conversation and I don't want to dismiss everything that's being said as shipping, but I think we're kind of getting off track. The purpose of this thread is to discuss which idols we think are queer, if you're trying to make your case for a Bts member being gay, then does it really matter which ship it is? I'm not against ship related posts because I think that idol's interactions with each other are relevant to the topic, but I really don't see how Jikook vs Taekook is relevant in the context of this thread.

 

Furthermore. I think that trying to sift through idol interactions in an attempt to categorize what is fanservice and whats is not is futile and useless, because its not that black and white. For example, I'm sure that Bts are well aware that their audience likes that they're so physically affectionate with each other and I have no doubt that they probably do play it up for the camera. But I also wouldn't necessarily classify it as pure fanservice, because its not artificial its just an exaggeration of how they would treat each other anyway. And I think that's true of most idols, no one can keep up a totally fake facade for that long without it cracking at least a little bit, most idols just exaggerate and add onto their existing personality and mannerisms. People talk about this stuff in categories of "real" and "fanservice" as if the two are mutually exclusive, when I suspect that its actually the exact opposite. Just because something is for the cameras doesn't mean it can't also be natural or genuine. If you start picking through and putting interactions in categories you lose that nuance and it starts to become a game show where we all compete to prove which things are "the realest."

I've got your point and I somehow agree with it.

 

The thing is that it all depends on subjective vision of every person who tries to interpret one or the other moment. It's the fact that some people are better psychologists/analysts and they are more objective in their conclusions. Some people are worse in this kind of things. How to understand which group interpreter belongs to? Probably in no way (if only it becomes too obvious that this person is talking about complete nonsense).

 

The other fact is that several types of interactions exist: 1) worthy moments behind the cameras; 2) unworthy moments behind the cameras; 3) worthy fanservice moments (because we see that person is sincere and enthusiastic in his actions despite the fact that this is a fanservice); 4) unworthy fanservice moments (because we see that person is just doing his job and remains emotinally uninvolved or even uncomfortable).

 

The challenge is to determine to what type the moment refers. And it brings us to the first thing - subjective vision of interpreter.

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I'm highly convinced that BaekYeon was totally fake. And I'm not that convinced with KaiStal. Seems like it was a combination of PR and real basis (maybe ~25-50% of what was highlighted in media?).

 

And as for "it didn't helped them and company in any way so it wasn't PR". Korean entertainment industry is a closed state mostly, so we don't know even a half of what is really going on there. All big companies have huge departments of specialists that analyze current situation, define threats and make predictions. We don't own the information that they own.

 

Moreover, no information in industry leaks to the media without an approval of company that is involved. I'm more than sure that almost everyone inside knows who is really dating and who is lgbt (except the most closeted ones). We only hear about "possible reveal of the gay couple" for five years already but it hasn't been revealed yet. Why? Because information is sold and bought and in that terms never leaves the industry.

 

That's why I believe that if some loud and at the same time relatively harmless scandals/news (for example hetero-dating) happens, it is led and controlled by the companies.

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related to that daily mail article: i actually think it's extremely redundant and meaningless when scientists try to redefine sexuality by saying that "no one is 100% straight" just because self identified straight people also have a minor physical reaction to gay or lesbian porn. honestly, that means jack squat. most people will have some kind of reaction to intimacy and sensuality, regardless of what gender the subjects are. that doesn't mean they're genuinely attracted to those subjects or would like to engage in the same kind of sex.

 

maybe it's because i view heterosexuality more as a form of social capital, and the closer you are in proximity to straightness (or even just emulating straightness through hypermasculinity or hyperfemininity) the more you benefit from it... but i just can't see how this "We Are All Queer" bullshit will help us gays in any way. it's basically the same tired shit that asexuals and kinksters have tried for over a decade, and it's done nothing but to further polarize the community.

 

if straight people didn't exist, we wouldn't have to hide ourselves in fear of losing our jobs, apartments, legal rights, friends, family and even our lives. heterosexuality is more than just a sexuality, it's a position of power.

 

i also think it's worth examining the way we use words like "bicurious" and "heteroflexible" when discussing idols. the only associations i get from those words are those straight people who'll use you as their experiment out of sheer curiosity and then throw you aside as soon as they realize they aint about that life. please just say bisexual if that's what you really mean.

I see your point but let's turn to science a bit. In my opininon, Kinsey concept is the closest to reality. If we believe statistics, the percentage of gay individuals in human population is around 5%. We are talking about 100% gays and lesbians. And I think that percentage of 100% straight people is about the same. The thing is that the other 90% are somehow bisexual, and in the terms of evolution it is a useful feature because bisexuality helped to socialise, make contacts and eventually survive. 

 

The other thing is in the fact, that from this 90% the majority prefers opposite sex contacts (probably because of reproductive instinct), the overwhelming majority, that's why the straight culture was formed and exist till our days. (But when we look at the history we see that there were cases when bisexuality was a social norm, like in Ancient Greece). 

 

What does it mean being straight? I agree with you that it is more than sexuality, it is a cultural invention. Being straight means to lead a straight life. You can be 99% straight or even 1% straight (means 99% gay) but when you lead a straight life people will call you straight. Of course it is unlikely that people who are ~90-99% straight (bisexual preferring the opposite sex) will ever want to have same sex contacts or will frequently fantasize about them. But all people that are lower... And I think that there are many of them. I say even more, the amount of noticeably bisexual people is huge.

 

Sure, the problem of heterosexual culture remains and not only those bisexuals support it because they have no choice, many gays and lesbians have to live in closet sometimes for the whole life. But it doesn't mean that all of them are less NOT straight. 

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Trying to find heterosexual explanation to the whole situation especially to the Namjoon's reaction. Poor boy even gulped

 

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'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYQony0Hi-o

 

 

Alright what are everyone's thoughts on Monsta X? 

 

I'll start off:

 

Shownu: bisexual

Minhyuk: gay

Wonho: bisexual or gay

Kihyun: gay

I.M.: gay

Jooheon: bisexual or gay

Hyunwon: bisexual 

Shownu: straight

Minhyuk: gay

Wonho: bi/gay

Kihyun: straight (mabe bi but with big preference of girls)

I.M.: bi

Jooheon: bi (?)

Hyunwon: no clue

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Hmmm why do so many people think Jungkook is straight ?

 

I will be extremely surprised if Jungkook turns out to be not gay tbh. Besides the huge amount of evidence that proves it, mentioned even in this thread already, i would say that he perfectly suits the certain type of gay guys i met. And the image of straight fuckboy Jungkook is just ridiculous for me...

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Important question. I've just watched the new Jungkook's GCF in Osaka and read the lyrics of the song and well... Does it mean that we should cross out the lyrics of the song in GCF in Tokyo as a proof of gay subtext of the video? 

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Huh? What's the connection?  The Osaka video features all the members.

 

Besides, it was never "proof of gay subtext", just something that people found notable (i.e. potentially meaningful) in the context of that video and the way it was shot.

Yeah, and this is what I am exactly talking about. Maybe I didn't make it clear but I meant that Osaka one is about member's trip and the song doesn't match the plot of the video. Can we make a conclusion that it means that Jungkook doesn't pay attention to the lyrics in his videos? If yes, the choice of the song in GCF Tokyo was also random without paying attention to the lyrics. That what I was trying to say. 

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No, I understand you; I just think it's faulty logic. Jungkook himself has said that he pays attention to lyrics. He wouldn't pick music that was completely inappropriate. But that doesn't mean there always needs to be a connection between the video and the lyrics. What exactly was the "plot" of this video?

 

Whether or not a particular song choice hints at something meaningful is up for debate, but you definitely can't conclude from this video that he "doesn't pay attention to lyrics".

Why is logic faulty? What is appropriate in choosing song about breakup in the vid about you chilling with your bandmates? And this is a plot: bandmates chilling together. And that was a plot in GCF Tokyo as well.

So, we have two GCFs about chilling with bandmates. In one of them lyrics match the vid itself and may be telling something. In other lyrics have nothing common with vid at all and therefore don't tell anything.

Is this logic right?

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But the fact that the lyrics are not connected to the video doesn't mean that he doesn't pay attention to the lyrics, it just means that he doesn't think that the songs he chooses need to portray what's happening in the video (like most of the people). I can put Lana's Video Games in my vlog but that doesn't mean that I'm in a relationship with the guy from the video or that he likes bad girls, lol, it just means that I like how the song fits the video.

 

And I think you are both stating the same point, but just didn't understand each other.

I was talking about paying attention to the lyrics only in these particular vids. That was one of the main points wich people here found relatable.

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Namjoon's regular confession to Jimin

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yeah i noticed that and was so confused, but is that thirsting or maybe he's just doing it out of a habit?

 

I follow and yeah, it's just a habit. When he is thirsting he usually bites his lips. Just like that (not saying that he is definetely thirsting in these photos but well... that's an example. Also here was a vid of him doing the same thing while watching Jongkook's parts in DNA)

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