Which male idols do you think are gay?

[Blonde Jeonghan]

I was wondering where to ask this but I guess this is the best thread to do so. I know some people think that in Western countries LGBT is more accepted (and it is of course to an extent) but don't you think there's some interesting things to think about?

 

For example in Western countries it's weird if a male likes a boy band or male singer and fanboys over him right, people will think he is gay. But in Korea there's fanboys of groups (like Ren in my bias group NU'EST likes G-Dragon, Minhyun likes DBSK, etc) and it's normal, people didn't think anything about it, and just that it's okay, because it's nice to have a role mode or look up to someone. But why is it in Western countries it's seen as gay? Because insecurity with sexualities? Doesn't that make it interesting? The country where it's more "accepted" is even more judgmental in this sense.

 

I hope this makes sense, I really am not good at explaining this at all.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

It depends on the band and the artist I think. There are plenty of men in the US, for example, who like male bands, BUT those bands tend to consist of older men and/or male groups in the rock genre. There are also plenty of male solo artists in the hip pop/rap genre who have a lot of male fans; it's usually only with young pop stars like Justin Bieber or groups like One Direction, who are known for having a stereotypically large fandom of teenage girls, that has other men raising their eyebrows if another man likes them. Most males tend to shy away from boy bands, most likely for the fear of giving off that impression. The common stereotype of gay men liking feminine things is still acknowledged here and the idea of metrosexuals or just a guy just might like something that a woman likes without being gay, still gets passed people in the US. 

 

The US might claim to be more accepting of things and its laws require it to be so, but considering that over 80% of the population are Christian and that old religious white men still make up the government seats it isn't really surprising that there is still alot of discrimination and continuing stereotypes and misinformation. 

 

Well but do those people fanboy over the rock band? Or like fanboying hip hop artists? lol like you know how maybe Minhyun fanboys over DBSK, I mean he really fanboys them. I don't think I saw any Western person doing that over a hip hop artist or rock group, if they are straight.

 

And yeah totally I know what you mean about the metro thing, like the Western world is still really set on gender roles and it's too sad tbh. I mean yes gender roles exist everywhere but.. I think Western countries are more close minded about things than other countries. In the Western countries they think every guy has to be like having super muscle, dress only a certain way, have only specific hairstyles and all this. People wear bb cream in Asia, but would you ever see a male wearing that in the US (or foundation instead of bb cream)? Probably no lol.

 

It's just interesting. In the US it's acknowledged but people are really volatile about if someone does a certain thing that's even remotely seen as opposite of their birth gender. But in SK it's not acknowledged (like people ignore LGBT) and people don't go all "omg are you gay?" because of someone doing something that would be seen as outside their gender role. It's like which is more closed minded in this sense then..

[Blonde Jeonghan]

Well I have seen my male friends have posters of their favorite male band and all of their albums and go to their concerts and always listens to their songs, etc. But yeah, it's probably not to the extent of how fanboys express their love and respect for male bands in Korea or in the East in general. In the US it is more a subtle form. At least in public. They aren't pointed out as much either. Like some male idols really love to interact with and point out their fanboys since there are so many female fans. You don't see that a lot with male bands or artists pointing out "fanboys" and would be just considered fans.

 

I feel like "fanboying" was more of a thing in the past. Like my dad, who was born in the 60s, grew up with male and female bands and some of those male bands and artists consisted of a metrosexual image. He has everything that Beatles ever made, did, said, or breathed on and watches their videos consistently, even 50 years later. He's not ashamed of that image and his male friends aren't much different from him, so I wonder if this whole "guys can't like male groups to that extent" turned out to be a sexuality thing over the past 25 years or so? 

 

yeah generally men outside of the entertainment industry don't wear makeup here. at least not anymore :// Tho there is a huge variety of people in the US that I can't say it's the same for everyone. But most stereotypes do exist and are often represented in the media which can also be largely conservative and religious. I think there is still such a separation between men and women and wanting to separate the genders so much that it also affects those whose who are outside of male or female. It's a mindset that many people here have grown up with: boys like blue, girls/gay men like pink; real men like cars and trucks, women/gay men like dolls and shoes kind of thing. Some of those match for some people and not others which is something most people here don't get. It's changing, but pretty slowly at this point.

 

Well...I wonder if the US and Korea are just different how they react to it? Like in the US, men don't want to come off as a certain way and resort to extreme male stereotypes, but in Korea, there isn't a distinct different between gender and male stereotypes BUT that kind of makes it easier for Koreans to ignore the possibly that a guy or girl could be gay. I mean there are multiple examples in the kpop fandom itself. How many fans are sooooooo against the possibly that their oppa could be gay or bi or pan or asexual? The metrosexual-ness is one thing but some fans can be in extreme denial when it comes their idols' sexuality and it's so much easier for Eastern fans to shove the possibly of their idols' sexuality to the side. Which it can be a good thing and it could make them more accepting than Western (which is sometimes the case). It could also make them prone to dropping an idol if they feel like they are no longer available :// It seems like both sides are kind of shoving the issue under the rub but just in different ways. At least that's how I've kind of looked at it. 

 

I don't want to speak for everyone but most people (that I know) who don't want to think about their idol being gay is because not about "I don't have a chance" but because they are protecting their idol in a society & industry that would destroy them if they ever were gay (because even unconfirmed rumors can cause injury to their reputation). For me I don't really speculate on it openly for those reasons, because I want to protect my idol.

 

And that's an interesting thing you brought up that as years go by it's becoming more and more closed minded about fanboying over artists (or doing anything outside extreme gender roles). Isn't that kind of backwards lol? I guess it's because LGBT is more prominent and straight people who don't want to be associated with being gay want to differentiate themselves in some way so that everyone knows they are straight. And yeah totally separating gender, like some people are gender fluid, and some people don't want to just be in their specific gender expectations. But then if someone female dressed as a tomboy, people call her a lesbian (look how people say to Amber all the time).

[Blonde Jeonghan]

While there seems to be a bit more leeway, I don't think what idols think of other idols is in any way conclusive.

 

 

 

It's the same in Korea as well. There have been several posts about how when boys go to fansign events they lie that they were sent by their sister so people won't think weirdly of them for liking an idol group.

Also, those posts about boys liking D.O. all go like "omg I like D.O. so much, he's cute but I AM NOT GAY!!!"

Idk about the D.O thing because I don't follow Exo very much sorry ><

 

But even if it's like that the general idea of what I'm saying is still true like what I was talking about with the other person. And even if it's idols doing it it still counts I think. Because even then male celebrities in Western countries don't do that. Yeah I just thought it was all interesting though.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

Hi again.

 

I was wondering about something. Did anyone here genuinely feel offended when Lay from Exo (I think that's who it was) said Exo are real men and that they do like women?

 

I'm wondering because I think people don't really think about the reason why some idols said things like that, not only culture difference and language differences like word context in translations, but because in a society where even a slight gay rumour can damage a career, isn't it natural if idols whether they are gay straight bi or anything else, that they would most likely say things like that to avoid misunderstandings that they don't want to happen, so that they can protect themselves?

 

I just think people should think about it more like that instead of jump on idols immediately when they say things like that.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

I noticed some people did not like the thing I said the other day. Sorry, I just wanted to discuss my thoughts haha 

[Blonde Jeonghan]

Can I ask a question here? It's an honest question and I'm not trying to be sarcastic or something like some people might be in this thread. Sometimes I lurk here tbh, lol, but I wanted to know what/how/why you thought some specific idols were gay? You could say Tao is my "bias" in Exo even I don't follow all of Exo but I liked Tao.

 

So anyway, I wanted to know what made everyone think he's 100% gay, and that there is no possible option that he likes girls? I mean for me I always thought sexuality and attracted to one gender is not black and white, that there's no way to tell someone is gay unless they are like.. "stereotypically" gay? if that makes sense I hope you know what I mean. I guess I'm just really curious about how people came to conclusions like specific members of groups are gay. I noticed in the thread the same idols came up most of the time, and I've met some people who also talked about those idols as if they were without a doubt, complete 100% it's a fact, gay.

 

I wanted to know what things you guys looked for or something. How you came to those thoughts. ^^

[Blonde Jeonghan]

I may be wrong, but it seems to me you're mixing two planes, especially in that second sentence, namely that of reality (whether one can or cannot be "100% gay") and that of human observation (whether I can know that you are gay). So which one would your question reside on?

 

I'm confused lol. I meant, like isn't it hard to say for sure someone is gay or straight just based on how they act?

[Blonde Jeonghan]

I asked mainly based on this: "I always thought sexuality and attracted to one gender is not black and white." That's about what people really are (as opposed to how they appear), is it not?

 

Anyway, it's fairly clear you can't say for sure someone is gay or straight. There is very little you can say for sure. Imagine your picture of the world as an overlay consisting of probability. Every declarative sentence has a likelihood of being true. The question is how high that likelihood is and why. In this case, there are... pointers. The uncertainty is part of the fun.

 

Of course, if you or anyone wants to see this thread as an exercise in fiction, be my guest. That, too, is part of the fun.

 

I think so, sorry I'm not good at explaining what I mean.

 

I meant besides interactions with other members, like intimacy or constantly touching, what made you think some were gay? Was it just those interactions, or other things?

[Blonde Jeonghan]

There are other things, yes.

 

Do you not want to explain? Am I annoying you guys here? xD

[Blonde Jeonghan]

No, you're not annoying me. But explain it I won't, from several reasons.

 

Oh okay, well you don't have to. sorry I just wanted to discuss about it because I don't understand all some things. But it's okay.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

Gaydar. It's not really understood how or why it works, but it does (especially in person.. it's a bit harder in videos and photos, but not impossible). That "ping" we often mention is the grey area you're talking about, where we can't 100% read somebody but they still ping the radar. There are people that we can 100% read though, and Tao is one of them. A few others that are pretty much universally agreed upon are Kevin Woo, Key, Ren, and JoKwon. It could have a bit to do with stereotypes, but stereotypes do exist for a reason

 

Those guys I mentioned are the kind of guys you know the instant you look at them. You don't need to observe further, it's natural. You just know.

 

For guys that are harder to read we look at things like their interactions with males and females, their mannerisms, their manner of speaking (the kinds of things they say, the way they word things), their personality traits, rumors and etc.. It basically turns into a social and psychological study of the person 

 

Tao, for example, has a very honest nature. He is friendly and kind and loyal and jealous. He wears his emotions on his sleeve, and he doesn't lie well (although he's getting better, probably due to the harsh reality of being a celebrity). If he was in a relationship with the woman in the video he would've been much more protective of her and would have been quite upset at her being so friendly with the other men, but he appeared not to care in the slightest. Regardless of his orientation, it is obvious that their relationship is platonic, especially if you know his personality.

 

 

 

 

I think a lot of the grey areas in gaydar are created by heteronormativity rather than ambiguity though, actually. There are many cases where somebody knows a guy is gay the moment they lay eyes on him, but they subconsciously (or sometimes consciously) push down the feeling because of heteronormative societal standards, which dictate that it's okay to assume straight but not to assume gay. According to those standards, you are delusional if you assume somebody is gay without them telling you straight up they are gay, and you see many people even in this thread saying they feel delusional for thinking more than one person in a group could be gay, or one person in many groups could be gay, so on and so forth. They ignore their instincts because society has told them that these are delusional fantasies.

 

Jaejoong is a very good example of this mentality. Most people know instinctively that he is gay when they first see him, but many convince themselves that he's probably bi or a straight womanizer because in their minds those are more "appropriate" assumptions. Jaejoong has a very sexual nature that you can sense from him easily, so most people automatically jump to "bi" or "womanizer" once they eliminate "gay" as an option.

 

People in the heteronormative mindset go through a process of elimination, and if they can't find something that adequately feels "okay" to assume then they'll finally travel back to gay, but if they do find something else then they'll stick to that even if it goes against their first instinct. This could very clearly be seen earlier when the Tao scandal broke. People were extremely eager to jump to the next adequate label after gay. Before this there was nothing, gay was the only real option for him. There was never anything that could possibly lead people to believe he was not gay except the notion of straight until proven otherwise, so most people just stayed quiet on the matter or joked about gayness and TaoHun and stuff (always jokes, because if you're serious about your assumption then you're delusional). Now that he's been seen doing skinship with a female though suddenly straight and bi are viable options, so people want to cling to those. They were so hungry for an alternate option that once one came to them they practically exploded with positive reactions despite the evidence being extremely flimsy. They're quick to call anybody trying to discredit that evidence as delusional, because in their subconscious it is delusional to assume gay when there is even a shadow of a hope of straightness. Consciously they believe that if he is gay then there's nothing wrong with that, but subconsciously they still want him not to be gay. Basically to most people Schrodinger's gay is always straight until you open the box.

 

 

I hope this all makes sense. I'm kinda half falling asleep while writing it. Lemme know if anything is completely unintelligible... I kinda rambled a bit 

 

It makes sense what you said, thanks for explaining. ^^

 

So it's like a "feeling" you just get, that you know the person is gay?

 

I was mostly wondering why everyone thought that about Tao because I never thought that. But then again I'm not an Exo-L so how would I know..haha. With me I don't want to always label someone as gay or straight or bi because what if anyone was wrong and it hurt them or something. I mean, for hypothetical situation, what if that girl was really his gf? I doubt this too because of body language, I can read it well, and because I have some friends who I know that kiss each other like that but they aren't together-together. And to me it didn't look intimate, I mean they did kiss, of course, but it looked like a friendly kiss between friends. Intimacy is about how something is done, not what is done, right? But then I guess congrats if he really is dating that girl, but yes I agree it didn't look like gf-bf at all. And also didn't he wave to the cameras? If it's his gf, won't he try to hide it? Like... hmmm okay he is in such a popular idol group, and they have many sasaengs, and possessive fans. I'm sure if he is in a relationship like that he wouldn't flaunt it out in public for anyone to see and record, and then even acknowledge the cameras. To me, it all seems weird, the way the cameras so blatantly recorded it. So that's why I think, more that it's his friend, than his girlfriend.

 

As for Jaejoong I totally thought he liked girls because I watched Triangle and wow, well he must just be a really good actor then. Haha.

 

The thing about how people always stick to straight-bi before gay, I can say that I don't even like to label people straight either.. because I don't really know, and it's hard to say.

 

And yeah I know people thought anyone who thought someone was gay or a ship was real was delusional. But realistically of course there is some gay idols just like there are straight idols. It's impossible anywhere in the world for every celebrity to be straight.

 

Recently I saw some trainee from YG in a Q&A and he said this:

 

 

Q: Are there any OTPs that are actually real, or are they all just made up by fans?

A: I'll tell you this. Some idols date each other... Within the same group. Yes, Korean celebrities can be gay ^^

 

source

 

But I thought.. why is it such surprising news to people. Of course. I mean lol. It's delusional to think everyone is straight as much as it's delusional to think everyone is gay.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

Well the reason why the news came out was for everyone to jump on the 'straight bandwagon'   Tao has lots of rumors.

 

It still surprises me that some people can look at JoKwon, Tao, Jae and Heechul and not know they are gay.  

 

Well.... JoKwon.........lol.. and Heechul kissed guys on stage so it's not like I ever said, "gosh you know, Heechul is so straight." xD

 

But the others idk, maybe I just never thought about it. I always thought Jaejoong had girlfriends or something.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

 

wtf lol it look like this dude at beginning of gif was like (drunk tao): oh ma gawd gurl and that fine ass guy over there .., *sees cameras* wait quick smooch boo boo! muah! luvs ya text l8r!

 

Now that I see this gif slow down it looks like maybe he leaned forward to hear her better..

[Blonde Jeonghan]

 

Maybe I should write essays half asleep more often   

 

This whole thing with Tao really brought the issue of heteronormativity back to the surface in my mind. It's a strange dichotomy indeed, when there's nothing wrong with being gay but everything wrong with thinking somebody might be gay...

 

 

 

Yeah, it's like a little lightbulb goes off and you either get the feeling of "this person is gay" or "this person is into men" (the latter is usually for when you can't tell if they're gay or bi but they at least seem interested in the same sex).

 

 

Our little Jaejoong is growing so much as an actor. He used to be so adorably mediocre 

 

 

 

You're doing the next step after heteronormative, which is assuming nothing until proven something (until you know whether it is alive or dead, Schrodinger's cat doesn't exist!). It's okay to assume though. If none of the options are offensive, then it doesn't really matter which one you pick. Sometimes you might be wrong, and that might be embarrassing, but it's not offensive and it's not like your speculation would out anybody, so really there's no harm that could be done. As long as you're not going up to people and shouting "I THINK YOU'RE BISEXUAL, ARE YOU BISEXUAL!?" or anything then everything's cool    

 

 

I saw people saying they questioned the credibility of that entire Q&A because of that one statement, as if the idea of more than one person in the same group being not-straight was so delusional that it rendered everything else the person said as false 

 

 

 

Some people are saying it was the angle and that he didn't actually kiss her (although she did clearly kiss him on the cheek after that). Angles can be very tricky, that's for sure.

 

 

I do feel like that's something that Tao would think. If he was sober it would probably occur to him that people would speculate if he behaved like that with the opposite sex, but Tao seems pretty innocent at heart. I could easily see a drunk Tao thinking "there's nothing to hide, no need to worry! Oh, hiii camera people! We're having fun! *hugs friends*"

 

 

Jaejoong did have one confirmed girlfriend predebut, but that's pretty normal. When you come from a conservative society that views heterosexuality as the default setting, most gay people are gonna date the opposite sex at least once before they figure things out. If the society is extremely conservative then you'll probably continue to date the opposite sex even after you figure things out, which is what we call "bearding"; dating somebody as a disguise.

 

I saw people say that too, and it's so really ridiculous imo. So just because someone said something that everyone already knows/thinks but won't say out loud, but he said it out loud, even though it's "taboo", suddenly the Q&A is fake? Why would it be? It's not like he gave names or said, "Yes, every OTP you fans thought of is 100% real" he gave a very normal and realistic answer... imo. But if someone never asked that or he never answered then people would think the Q&A is 100% real without any doubts.

 

I feel like people think OTP and shipping is just a fantasy, and yes of course sometimes it is, a lot of times OTP, shipping, etc is just a fun thing. But, in reality, people need to think about it more realistically. Why would it be only fantasy? Did they really think there's no one who is gay or into one of their members? Did they think no one could be bi-curious? Or develop feelings for a member they are really close to?

 

Idk why it's such a thing to some that totally cannot happen. Humans are complex, it's not so simple, "if you're straight, you're straight. If you're gay, you're gay" in reality, it didn't work like this all the time. Emotions, feelings, chemistry etc.. it's more complex than people realize.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

I totally know what you guys mean about the movement thing. I can't find a word either but there are some guys that move like it.. not "feminine" not "fluid" but like it's a distinct way.. i guess really there's no word because I've been trying to think of one too.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

My word would be "dainty", but I guess it fails just as the other ones.

Dainty is close but there's something missing

[Blonde Jeonghan]

Poise? Well, there will always be something missing.

Someone called it like "he moves like metro" as in metrosexual but idk that obviously doesn't work either.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

i'm not sure what you guys are talking about because you're insisting on finding a single word rather than just opting for a longer description,

 

but perhaps you are referring to the way gay many gay people have a carefulness/restrained-ness (that often passes for traditional "ladylike" characteristics like "daintiness" and "gracefulness") in their movements that's somehow restrained/held back because they're very aware of how they could be perceived. something's being held back that whereas it never occurs to straight guys to hold much of anything back.

 

Not that they are holding something back, it's just a distinctive way they carry themselves basically.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

Aren't there some people who no one would ever think is gay but then they turned out to be gay? I knew some people like that

[Blonde Jeonghan]

My older sister is into White magic and has been reading tarot cards for years, and I do think there's something behind it, but on a more simplistic, spiritual scale. There's surely nothing behind it when asking about Exo and ships, haha.

 

^^^^^ I was going to say that people shouldn't be so quick to disregard tarot reading, but at the same time it's hard to get an accurate reading about other idols sexualities and when they are not even present also.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

I didn't say she was about to be revealed, I said I can't wait for her to be revealed. And yes, he's seeing someone now — on and off. She's not an idol. And what I meant in my post was that before debut, Sehun hadn't dated anyone. Neither did Kai, or Tao. 

 

 

I don't ship Sekai? News to me.

 

I want to ask you question, who in Exo did you think is gay? Some people here said Tao and Sehun but I think you don't think so. Who??

 

I'm asking because I want to see different perspectives.

[Blonde Jeonghan]

Here's what I think, as someone who actually stans Exo:

 

Suho — Straight. Straight straight, and more straight. It's not even up for discussion. This dude literally throws up in his mouth every time a member grabs his face and pretends to kiss him. It doesn't matter if it's Tao, Chen, Xiumin, etc, they all get the grossed out face. It's a genuine reaction, and it's hilarious. Not only that, but he just doesn't "ping" me as gay. I love Suho, but he as a dull, dishwater personality. It's unlikely that he divulges from the norm even a little bit. Even though he's not Christian, he strikes me as the type who wouldn't even allow himself to have thoughts of other men because of moral reasons. (And yes, he's the type who would try and get his son professional help if they came out of the closet.)

 

Baekhyun — Straight. But he's cursed to forever be confused as bi/gay because of the way he is. He's metrosexual, and  confident in himself, which to some reads as proud sassy gay. Unfortunately, I don't think so. Ask any Baekhyun super fan and they will tell you how perverted and thirsty he is....for that pussay. Also, he was the one who ranted on his online journal thing when he was younger about "sluts" at his school and something about their "tits", I believe. This is classic, graphic, woman bashing by the mouth of a scorned straight male.

 

Chanyeol — Straight, but let it be known that he would probably let a guy suck him off. Chanyeol won't turn down pleasure, but he would probably feel dirty and bad about it later, and he wouldn't tell a soul.

 

D.O. — Hella heterosexual, and actually kind of homophobic. I remember the time Ivy Club magazine asked him who his favorite male artists were and he replied with, "I don't like males, so...." Now, clearly he was talking about sexually, because we all know he does in fact listen to male artists like Bieber, Chris Brown, and Musiq Soulchild. He just wanted to take the opportunity to set the record straight, because this interview was right around the time all of those posts were made on nate pann and NB about his male fanbase and how "D.O. turns guys gay". Also, let's not forget the times D.O. has literally weaseled his way out of Tao's grasp. It hasn't happened recently, but the gifs still speak for themselves. Like at Yoo In Na's Volume Up radio broadcast, Tao air humped pretty much everyone and tried to do it to D.O. but D.O. was like, "nah" and stepped back from Tao like he had Ebola. Or that infamous fancam at the Mnet Asia Awards where Tao put his hand on D.O.'s knee and D.O. ever so subtly removed it, lmao. And the time D.O. literally pushed Tao off of him with a grimace on Showtime. ahahahaaaaa.

 

The interesting thing about D.O., though, is that he hardly ever acts this way with the other members. He has no problem doing fan service with Baekhyun, Chanyeol, Kai, and even Suho. But because it's obvious that Tao is gay/bi, D.O. doesn't like being physically close to him. (At least that's what it seems like in my perspective.)

 

Anyway, D.O. likes vagina. Caucasian vagina, to be exact.

 

Kai — Kai is in this slightly ambiguous part of the spectrum where he pings me as straight, meaning he's sexually and romantically interested in females, but I think intellectually, he's more interested in males. Kai is the type who would rather spend time with his male friends than his girlfriend. He's the type who would tell his male buddies something before he would his wife. He's also the type who's more likely to form close bonds with guys than girls. I think this is because of how utterly shy and boyish Kai is. It's almost like he's afraid of the female gender in that his palms get sweaty, his mouth dries up, he starts to stutter, and he's suddenly a young boy all over again when in the presence of a beautiful woman. For these reasons, I simply think he's more comfortable with guys, but again, not in a sexual or romantic way. Kai is unmistakably attracted to women, he just doesn't know shit about how to act around them.

 

Sehun — Straight, and like Baekhyun, meterosexual. Sehun has this dainty air about him. It's in the way he moves his wrists and his waist. I can see how body language would raise questions about his sexuality, but luckily, sexuality is so much more complex and dimensional than someone's mannerisms. Furthermore, from an intuitive viewpoint, nothing about Sehun "pings" me. I literally don't get anything from him. The only kind of vibe that I get from him is that he's a conceited individual who carries himself as if he were royalty. That, like Baekhyun, makes him seem gay. (Hollywood stereo....I mean....archetypes ftw!) 

 

Well, there is one  thing that "pings" me, and that is that he really likes Miranda Kerr. Like, does no one else see this? Is this being taken into consideration by people who think he's homosexual?

 

This is what I think too, maybe sometimes it can give someone away but I don't think every single person who had metrosexual-esque mannerisms automatically meant they were attracted to other men. I know some straight guys that move that way but they aren't gay. They are just completely metro.

 

Thanks, I really like your answer because it gives a lot of good points there. Btw your third gif is broken/doesn't load for me but yes I see what you mean. With those type of reactions, it's pretty obvious about Kyungsoo. I think the thing about Kai is interesting. And idk why people think Baekhyun still since he is dating Taeyeon anyway. I know people could say it's fake but I think it's a real relationship.

 

You said Tao is gay/bi, well I was wondering why you say "gay/bi" not just "gay" or "bi" like it's uncertain which? And why did you think he's gay/bi? Sorry for asking since I know you don't really like him much I saw in other threads but I'm curious, is it the same reasons as most other people in this thread? Like he's easy to read, emotional, touchy with members, etc. Or something more than that? Omg and you said it's obvious but I'm the only one here who didn't know or think he might be any of that until talking to people in this thread about him OTL

 

And what do you think about Tao/Sehun? It's "obvious" Tao is gay/bi but he is all over Sehun and Sehun is straight but indulges in it/doesn't mind(?)

[Blonde Jeonghan]

Taehyun isn't gay

 

 

He's had a lot of girlfriend predebut too. I know sometimes gay guy could have gf because of society, but I'm really convinced Taehyun's relationships were genuine.

Edited October 18, 2014 by ChoiGoRen

[Blonde Jeonghan]

Yeah, that's why when people say they think D.O. is gay I'm just like, "lol no". But whatevs. I'm trying to be more tolerant of people's opinions, even when they're unreasonable.

 

I say bi/gay in reference to Tao because I'm not quite sure what I think of him. I used to think he was uber gay and would never touch a woman, but over time, your opinion can change once you learn more about the person in question. Now I'm leaning more towards bisexual. I thought Tao was gay because he seemed really desirous for male attention and acceptance. He lights up whenever a member acknowledges him or touches him in an intimate way, like rubbing the back of his neck or caressing his arms. I also thought there was something behind him begging the members to take showers with him. It's like he wants to share everything with them, and I think there might be more to it than him just having a meek case of Dependent Personality Disorder, as I don't think he would be as receptive to female attention. And then you know, Tao "pings" me on intuitively.

 

I don't think there is anything going on between Tao and Sehun. Tao is smothering Sehun because Tao just has this overbearing way about him (ask Kris, haha), but I think Sehun deals with it because contrary to popular belief, he does actually have other friends in Exo and outside of the group who he hangs out with. If they were together 24/7, we'd probably see cracks in their friendship.

 

 

I kind of agree with that too because of recent things. Whether the video was kiss or not kiss, it didn't look as "intimate" as when he interacts with some guys..

 

Overbearing haha. I see, thanks for your response ^^

 

I think I saw a pic recently of Tao and Sehun with a cat and it looked really intimate to me but then it could just be Sehun has tolerance like you say.