Which male idols do you think are gay?

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SM and Woolim are openly refered to as “gay companies†inside LGBT fan circles.

 

SHINee: Junghyun is a darling but seen as bi, not only gay. Onew another favorite but seen as straight (and with a terrible taste), Kibum is seen as obviously gay and Taemin is seen more and more as gay as older as he gets.

 

SJ: Siwon, Sungmin, Ryewook, Heechul are all seen as gay, Kyuhyun,  Donghae and Eekhyun as bi (there is a discord about Donghae actually).

 

EXO: Kyungsoo, Tao, Sehun and Kai are taken as gay. Wu Fan was seen as definitely gay. There is talk on Minseok and Lu Han, but inconclusive as a whole. EXO is gay paradise for LGBT Koreans.

 

Infinite: Myungjong are seen as a couple and no one buys Myungsoo as bi or straight no matter how many scandals he may have.

 

 

This is about LGBT Koreans though, not straight K-netizens.

 

 

He has a history. Unproven of course, but it's still seen as a stronger base for making a case of him being gay.

 

this is interesting. i defo agree with jonghyun. for some reason i've never felt key is gay. i mean

it wouldn't surprise me if he was gay, but i fee the same way toward him as i do towards amber --

so many people stipulated that they were gay bc of their antics, that i sorta... stopped believing they

were? it's weird. i never got the gay vibe from taemin, i think that he is just really shy and naeun isn't his type?

 

idk much about suju but i agree with heechul and kyuhyun. i think people speculating about siwon is

ironic since so many people are bent on believing he's a homophobe (i don't). also who's eekhyun?

 

i agree with all for exo. i get the feel about kris too -- i can't explain why i think he's gay, i just sort of do.

i would ad baekhyun in as bi, but i on't know if he is or if he just loves attention. it seems like the latter.

 

are there any other groups they speculate about?

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I won't comment on your perceptions about who's gay and who's not but I'll asnwer your question: BB, TVXQ, JYJ, UKISS and B2ST among the relevant ones.

 

darn, other than big bang i don't follow any of those groups

and since gd was already discussed ... this yifan/luhan topic

is interesting tho so i'll sit back /eats popcorn.

 

Yeah tbh I never liked the whole "taoris" thing, because it seemed mostly detrimental to Tao, and even though I think Tao is stronger than most people think I still feel kind of protective over him sometimes. 

 

Taoris only served to ridicule Tao and turn him into laughing fodder. And to promote SM's created image of Kris of, course.

 

He was guarded to the point of lacking any sort of personality for a good while. It was too much of a contrast to his pre debut personality for us not to notice.

 

 

detrimental to tao? why do you think that? if anything, i

thought it made him more liked. i do agree that his

personality was different then than it is now.

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Did you follow EXO since MAMA? Because every EXO fan knows all shit Tao's been through due to Taoris.

 

So Wu Fan/Lu Han is interesting to you too? Well then, I'll write on it.

 

i started following exo during their hiatus. i had heard of them before tho, and most of the 

times people refereed to tao in endearing manners (sassy/cute/kitten/panda/etc).

maybe it's different for the i-fandom? idk. i've only ever seen a few people refer badly to tao.

 

and yush krishan interests me.both are sort of guarded so hearing about them is interesting ...

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omg are ppl talking about the krishan ship? i love them together......that is all..... goodbye. lol.

 

your sig omg

 

#hideurahjussis 

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He's doing a good job! It almost seems so natural! 

 

i sort of want thee a my sig but i love my current one so much arghhh

also he looks so pretty and natural i really wish i could see this musical live T_T

 

It's precisely about C fandom I'm talking about, they put Tao through hell.

 

 

Oh God, don't mention that . Since it goes into shipping theritory that probably won't interess evrybody, I'll put it under a spoiler.

 

Ok, so here goes nothing:

 

 

 

During EXO-M's predebut era it was common knowledge that Krishan were close because not only they were frequently seen together on their own but also because Lu Han wouldn't shut up about Kris. A lot of fans expected Krishan to be M's official ship and were already talking abut how "real" they were, it was pretty annoying.

 

But when M debuted we all noticed how Lu Han would look/refer to Wu Fan just like he did pre debut (fulll of admiration and respect, bordering on a crush some claimed) while Wu Fan either would ignore him or act annoyed. He was always putting Lu Han on the spot too which could be simply justified by his position in the group, but still made fans wonder about what might have happened. Some blamed his attitude on envy but most put the pieces together between how he treated/looked at Lu Han on camera and how he did offstage and when Lu Han wasn’t looking.

 

I won't include all the Fanxing/Taoris fiasco because it's generally irrelevant, but suficient to say Wu fan seemed to gave no issues with other members (including Mindae) except for Lu. Sometimes he would "slip" and interact with Lu normally, laughing and etc which made it all the more confusing. The biggest theory back then was that Wu Fan was jealous of Lu Han's popularity and couldn't deal with it. The fanwars between Lu Han and Kris biased fans really took off during tose days.

 

Cut to his comeback after his attempt at jumping ship for the first time and at the 13th Bilboard Music Awards we got a lot to talk about. That was the day a lot of people felt justified in their theories because even non Krishan biased people noticed how Wu Fan was acting. All of a sudden Lu Han seemed to be the most interesting thing in the room. Their interactions during Happy Camp's recording were so much more natural too. But since EXO was promoting in Korea the talk died down again. Both had other pairings that kept fans busy, specially during EXO's Showtime (that's when "Gayfan" became a thing among K-fans who weren't M biased)

 

Until the Japanese showcase happened, that's when Krishan came back with a force, weirdly enough just before he would jump ship again (when news of the lawsuit broke people were calling it the "Krishan curse"). It was like during the Bilboard awards except up to eleven and not limited to a day. I won't include the Krisoo vs Krishan fanwars because that would take forever, but sufficient to say people in Korea/China noticed all the in-your-face Krishan just like international fans did. When his attitude drastically changed as Overdose promotions began and as we knew his “ship†with most potential would be sinking since he would leave to China, we all thought it meant something would change. Well it did, just not how we thought it would.

 

Some delusional fans claim he tried to convince Lu to leave with him, bullshit. He more than anyone knew Lu would never be down for that. I say he wanted to make use of what time he had, but that's irrelevant now. Krishan wasn't ever the most relevant Wu Fan's ship in KOrea though, but it seems western fans love it as much as C-fans did  .

 

 

 

I'll answer to your newer questions on a separate post.

 

oh okay, as i guessed, c-fandom and i-fandom really are different O_O also kishan is interesting...

i'm starting to doubt myself as an exo fan bc i don't notice these things at all, even though in the

beginning both were my top biases OTL

 

SPEAKING OF WHICH. I'm actually doing it on shipping and I have to do surveys at some point (though I'm not up to that point yet). Would you guys mind filling them in when I'm ready? They'll be 100% anonymous and everything. I just thought i'd ask preemptively and such~   

 

 

Okay, but my only question is how are there people that don't stan Jokwon...

 

bring it on sistah T3T and true dat! i don't even follow 2am but ever since dirty eyed girls i've loved jo kwon ///

 

 

 

 

tbh I have a hard time taking that post at face value when the person implies that touching/kissing or w/e that is perceived as "fanservice" to Americans isn't actually fanservice, but a way for kpop dudes to let people know that they're okay with male on male interaction. While I wouldn't be surprised to see that the ones that are more fanservice-y tend to be more okay with gays/ gay interaction, Korean culture is kind of different from kpop culture, where homoeroticism is obviously also used to appeal to fanbases as a marketing tool (kissing games, obvious shipping, the entirety of SJ). 

 

Even though I do suspect a lot of the same people on the list, it kind of seems like a re-hash of half of the other posts on kps, but if it is legit, then hopefully there might be more basis behind it than so-and-so idol is too girly to be straight. 

 

 

 

For key and amber, I think a lot of fans merely jump to that conclusion because they fit into gay/lesbian (diva/butch) stereotypes which is kind of...not that reliable sometimes, but I do think that key is very likely to be gay because he just consistently associates himself with a lot of lgbt paraphernalia and other lgbt icons for it not to be suspicious, on top of just outright kind of tasting some other dude's arm/arm sweat/sweat or w/e, which is ...pretty gay. The only other explanation is that he is just one very lgbt-friendly individual, and was feeling particularly high, horny, or confused at the time -which is less likely than him just being gay imo. 

 

As for Amber, I wouldn't be surprised if she were lesbian, but I have yet to see something that indicates some kind of primary attraction towards females, so I don't really have an opinion on that one.   

 

 

you always say things so eloquently ... how do you do it ;V;

 

and you hit my thought process on the head! i didn't mean to

sound like i believe keyber are straight just that i don't think they

are gay simply bc the reasons presented: often times those were the

only "proof" that people gave me ^^ also what's this about tasting

arm sweat O_O i wouldn't expect that of key, considering he's one

of the more reserved members when it comes to fanservice (involving

others) -- i just looked it up an found nothing. do you have any links?

 

 

Ok, good to know.

 

 

Oh, they know. Some know because they search themselves (that was how Chanbaek got into that mess), some because the are told by managers and some become aware through fans. How they react to it depends on several fators but even predebut idols know (Jongin did).

 

The beard market in Korea is as old as Kpop is and kind of an open secret. Fake girlfriends are not that hard to find even for normal male citizens anyway, as long as they're well paid. They don't have a choice in it, but some do rebel, we've all seen it happen and it never ends well.

 

As for reactions do you mean fans or the general public?

 

You're not bothering me at all .

 

 

 

Ok, so I'll just drop the names and you tell me who you want me to expand on:

 

DISCLAIMER: "Feelings" here range from mere physical attraction to actual deeper stuff. I'm only including unresolved or unrequired dynamics

 

Past/Resolved:

 

Sehun>Lu Han

Jongin>Sehun

Baekhyun>Wu Fan

Wu fan>Yixing/like a 100 others

Zitao>Wu Fan

 

Still Ongoing:

 

Jongin>Kungsoo

Jongdae> Joonmyun

Yixing><Sehun

Baekhyun><Chanyeol

 

ã…‡_ã…‡that's a lot.

 

 

 

With Jongin it started with his association with Taemin and their group of friends. Then after he debuted it became about his vibe and later on his reactions to/interactions with females and males, namely Krystal Jung (poor girl ã… ã… ) Oh Sehun, Do Kyungsoo and Taemin.

 

this is for anyone really, but an you clarify what the chanbaek mess was? i'm sorry i keep asking you

to explain stuff, just coming to this thread made me realize i don't know a lot T_T

 

and i'm surprised to hear about the beard market can someone give examples of a kpop beard that

"rebelled" and how that went over?

 

I'm just gonna take a moment to let my inner lesbian out but honestly Amber has always seemed hella gay to me. Stereotypes aside; she treats men and women pretty differently. She's super comfortable with skinship with guys, she gets really squirmy and flustered around girls touching her. She can also be very protective of other girls, especially when guys are around. Also, you can still find her soompi account after coming to Korea where she fangirls about SNSD and talks about her "gay moments" lmao. Anyways there's plenty of good analysis on the lesbian thread~~

 

thanks for this info. i haven't read through the entire "who's lesbain/bi" thread but a lot of my "disbelief"

(i wouldn't really call it disbelief bc i don't believe they aren't gay, it's just i don't believe they are gay

imply bc of the reasons often presented, if that makes any sort of sense OTL) came from remarks

about the way she dresses and the fact that i've never really seen any sort of telling behavior between

her and any other girls (until very recently when i pinged a bit of something towards ailee)

 

this is very interesting alright i'll stop talking about amber now ^^"

 

Se7en was suspeted by himself but not in a significant way until BB debuted, then I guess his relationship with Seunghyun raised many eyebrows and made him "Interesting".

 

 

Baekyeon's more like the laugh of town tbh, I mean of all females did it have to be Taeyeon?

 

t.o.p/ se7en relationship is interesting as se7en seems to genuinely like t.o.p

(se7en coming out of nowhere sitting on t.o.p's lap, and the atmosphere suddenly

changed? lke i could tell they were joking around ish, but there was something else...

the atmosphere only got weirder when se7en chided t.o.p for being a tease and he

sounded like he was honestly saying that, but covering it up ss being a joke/fanservice...)

 

Once you've actually known enough idols the "unlikey" mindset goes away lol.

 

VIXX is celebrated becasue they think they're a good representation of queer people. "Queer" being the keyword here. And their friendship with certain non straight EXO members is noted too.

 

Oh I wouldn't trust that. As I've said an artist could be "forgiven" for being gay, but a young idol? Now? No.

 

That guy is over he's head, has been for a good while. But let him have his fun, he doesn't get any outside of this anyway.

 

could you explain these quotes a little more Karma?

 

Actually she sounds a lot like my mum. She had a lot of ships, she used to read fanfiction and she even burst in when I was having a bath once to tell me all about her headcanons... 

 

i want your mom lol

 

also, for anyone who wants to read, these are the predebut

gdtop messages that were discussed earlier:

 

http://swaggalevel-1000.tumblr.com/post/10925062561

 

gd seems like the clingy type, as expected. also does anyone

remember that vid were BB are eating something and gd

says something along the lines "this is the second weirdest thing

i've put in my mouth" and t.o.p looks at the camera, sort of 

bewildered? seeing this, i'm sort of raising my eyebrow now...

 

also, anyone notice that a lot of the idols with gay rumors tend to

be very reserved in regards to fanservice? i think it makes sense

bc if you were gay, you wouldn't want someone to suspect you ere

gay so you'd be a little more reserved with touching. i'm like that

with my friends -- after the figured out i was bi i stopped the 

cuddling/bedsharing ( i was never a big fan of it anyhow ... )

 

also i just finished watching this myungjong video and   

fans who buy myungsoo being straight are the delulu ones. i mean

really? ad this been a guy and girl people would be talking about how

they were obv f*cking. i know skinship is different in korea, but let me

tell you this: as a nonfan, whenever i saw myungoo, i always thought of him

as the cold type. he is not at all cold in this video. i find it interesting how

he seems o be embarrassed of doing fanservice (making hearts) but seems

completely fine trying to kiss sunjong, squishing his cheeks, finding every gosh

darn reason possible to touch his face (we get it myungsoo, the boy is pretty and

i would want to do the same thing. but it becomes somewhat suss how every time

sungjong has insomuch as a single hair on his face you're quick to brush it away lol)

 

also i noticed that most of the time, myungsoo was the one to initiate the

skinship while sungjong would jut sort of stand there. the look he had

sometimes is not wha i would i describe as  completely uncomfortable look,

but sort of a "not now" look, if you get what i mean.

 

any how this is just a myungjong analysis from a non-infinite fan, don't take

me too seriously ^^

Edited June 25, 2014 by noonas

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Wow, those are a lot of questions

 

Chanbaek: common knowledge among prominent K-fans but seen as reaching by international fans who spread that. They both knew about the ship from the beginning and everything's was fine until it went too far and Baekhyun's fans started turning on him and giving him hell after the MBC Idol Olympics (what is it about this event that always gives us so much material?). He went into a pretty bad slump beause of what they put him trough, they were very cruel. This caused a strain in their relationship.

 

It wasn't beards who rebelled, but idols, but I've already seen it be discussed before so I'll skip it.

 

 

 

1) Kyungsoo, Tao, Yixing and Jongin.

2) N, Leo (bi), Hong Bin

 

 

 

What is this stuff about Karma I don't even remember posting???

 

 

sorry had so many questions, i had to catch up on the thread OTL

i see what you mean by chanbaek -- i remember hearing something

like that i while back, but i sort ignored it.. i'll look up on it now

 

and yeah, i just  took to calling you Karma instead of Karma Butterfly

bc i was typing o fast. I'll use your full username from now on ^^"

 

thanks for the information about the beards/vixx as well. i'll scour

the thread for the beard discussions   

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Awesome, thanks bb! The more people I can get to do it the better, so it really is greatly appreciated 

 

You really don't want my mum tho   I mean in some respects she was great, like she read smutty fanfiction, she was convinced she was a witch and she never once judged me for my sexual orientation. In other areas she... wasn't so great tho 

 

It's always so interesting to hear non-fans talk about Myungjong, because *all* fans are going to be biased one way or another whether we ship them or not. Non-fans can almost be the most impartial in a way. I agree though (...obviously), straight guys simply don't interact with other boys like that imo - Korean or not. As people get to know Myungsoo they realize he's really not cold at all, but coming from someone who isn't a fan I can see exactly why you thought that. Especially because during Infinite's early days, he used to hide behind the 'L' image a lot - I hardly see him doing that anymore though, which is very refreshing. I've always preferred authentic Myungsoo the spazz over cold city L anyway   I 100% agree with your other points too. He clearly just adores Sungjong so much and it really shows when he's around him. Like he wants the world to know how much he loves that boy. Sungjong tries to keep it a little bit more restrained and subdued sometimes, but even he has his completely obvious moments~

 

But srsly, thank you for the insight! I genuinely enjoy hearing what non-fans have to say, since sometimes fans can twist things without even meaning to.

 

oh i'm sorry to hear that ;__; my comment was insensitive i'm sorry ;__;

 

and i'm glad you enjoyed my commentary. other than myungsoo, before

watching that vid, i didn't even know any other infinite members, so i really

came in with a blank slate. but it's so obvious that myungsoo adores him. it's

not just actions anymore, it's looks as well. while watching this vid i got the same

sort of feeling you get when you accidentally come upon a couple in a empty 

hallway: they don't even have to be kissing, but that sort of intimate atmosphere

can make people like me, get flustered (which i was.i know i sound like a prude,

but i had to pause several times during this video, honestly.)

 

but yeah his looks are very genuine if even i can see it   

 

 

Hmm I get the whole baek fans thing, i heard about this a while ago. But if we ignore those type of fans what is chanbaek really about?. Just friends, more then friends... because you said kfans know about chanbaek but chanyeol is seen as straight. So do they just ship chanbaek as friends? because those 2 always gives me a weird feeling that i can't quite put my finger on it.

 

 

can you explain to me the baek fans thing, if you don't mind ;_;

i'm going to need to scour this thread for exo teas bc i know nothin' about nothin'

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No, it's really fine! I painted her in a nice light, so how were you to know she wasn't great? ^^

 

Oh, wow, that's even more of a blank slate than I was expecting tbh! I totally get what you're saying though. Like, it's not even about being prudish imo. As much as I love Myungjong, whenever I see them interacting I always feel like I'm watching something that I shouldn't be. Their moments are always so very intimate and it's like they're in their own little world and the rest is just background noise to them. I can only imagine how much more intense it would be to witness it in person 

 

^^^ bolded for truths, i feel this exact same way.

 

Is this the event every EXO ship had moments? If so, it's always used as evidence to support many pairings but I always thought they all were instructed by SM to do skinship with each other because it looked way OTT and a bit forced... they usually do skinship but it was just too much compared to how they usually act around each other in public. Does anyone else felt that way about it or it was just my impression? 

 

i sort of see what you're saying here, but i've only seen gifs

of idol olympics, so i won't comment further ^^

 

 

 

 

oh cool, I haven't read her soompi account stuff yet. Though I don't think I have the willpower to sift through the lesbian thread (maybe one day though since it would take a lot less time than ever going through this one anyhow lol).   

 

 

Yeah, I get what you mean esp. since I usually don't consider "vibes" terribly convincing as well. It took me a while to remember where it came from (it's been a while) but here's the clip. I dunno if he forgot there were cams there or what but w/e.   

 

 

oh i see -- key is subtle as always. i missed it the first time. 

but yeah that is an odd thing to do, i honestly wouldn't

expect that out of him (jonghyun maybe, but not key.)

very interesting, thank you for the link ^^

 

 

During mama era chanbaek was all over each other. Around wolf fans noticed something different. They weren't as close as before. Many people thought they fought, suppressing their feelings by ignore each other etc. Many theories was out there. It came to my attention that apparently Korean Baekhyun fans  told him that he looked gay around chanyeol, stop acting gay around him, you look like girl etc.  Stuff like that. And thats they were distant with each other.

 

 

 

oh that's so terrible ;_; poor baekhyun

Edited June 25, 2014 by noonas

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sort of relevant

 

 

"orgasm is not getting by giving"

 

it's key, btw   

Edited June 27, 2014 by noonas

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJc9vEmZYkk

 

Okay, this is not a gay movie but a transsexual one but it seems interesting!

 

i want to watch ; o ;

 

and idk if you guys saw it, but what do you all think about the "planned couples thin"? i mean idk when the original, untranslated post was made, but it seems like it was made before khunfany/baekyeon and tackles a lot of the more popular ships.

 

i mean i know some ships are planned/pushed but i would be surprised if couples were to (esp. khunfany)

 

also do any of you get vibes from anyone in B.A.P/winner/team b? and what do you guys feel about model ahn jae hyun?

Edited July 22, 2014 by noonas

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There really isnt anything special about this picture but I just thought it was a little weird. They are just standing in the corner and you can see kyungsoos bag just on the ground by his feet. Its hard to tell what is actually going on in the picture.

I just thought these pictures were cute(all I do on this thread is post kaisoo pictures,,,I know i should just post it in the kaisoo thread but that thread is dead and I like the prospect of being able to discuss kaisoo with others)

 

im not really knowledgeable about it but i will gladly discuss kaisoo w/ you ; o ;

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more jongbaek goodness

 

 

 

 

 

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         << all the emotions i went through after reading this

 

are there any sources for the quote?

 

also do you post in the kaisoo thread anymore?

 

also, not really gay but look at these gifs of yoongi/suga shaking what his mama gave him

 

 

i know this comes from their show but i honestly want to know the context of this

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heres the original( its from a chinese interview but i dont know exactly where its from):

i dont think ive ever posted in the kaisoo thread,ha, its not very active( more like not at all). I should though, but on this thread there are more viewers and i have a greater chance of discussing kaisoo with anyone who's interested and then for those who dont care, they can just ignore it,

 

i'm interested   

 

 

 

the most i know about kaisoo is this:

 

>they used to room together

>they have that really cute predebut pic together

>neither of them are really into skinship, but don't seem to mind it with each other

>not much else except for the fact that they are really cute and seem genuine ;v; w/ each other

 

idk what i feel about kai's/kyunsoo's sexuality though. i feel like kyungsoo could be gay, but since he's

the type of person who likes to keep to himself and isn't big on being touched people may overlook it.

i also feel like he may have some sort of complex (?) it's something to do with fanboys, his image and how

he may percieeve himself/how he wants to be percieved, but idk it sounds sort of offensive so i don't know

if i should say it   

kai's unreadable to me though i always thought of him as straight but maybe he's biromantic   

 

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SUGA GIVING ME BISEXUAL TEAS???!!!? I AM HERE FOR IT YES MA'AM!

 

also, anyone else notice that when he raps that certain lyric about hong kong

he sounds like nicki minaj, as in raising his voice to sound softer/sweeter? we all

know nicki minaj is known to rap about fucking women (particularity the wives of

her male opponents, though there is quite the debate about her sexuality seeing

as she admitted that she would never date a woman. coming from a bisexual girl,

i have met quite a many bi women who have said the same thing. a lot of them are

closeted unless it's friday nights and they are ready for quick hook ups, that is)

maybe he is channeling the maybe-bisexual hip hop kween    

 

+ there is that line about being fucked from behind (idk if that is literal or...////??!)

 

ANYHOW YASS SUGA SERVE ME BISEXUALITEAS!!1!

 

also what's with people saying g.d can't be bi (or pan to a further extent)? i think

some of you are forgetting that this is a speculation thread so nothing is set in stone.

for all we know everyone speculated in here could be straight (pfft). the point is, we

don't know, so all speculations are welcomed. please don't be rude about sexualities

especially since there are people in this thread that may recognize as/with them  

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I have been wondered about the KPOP industry, since I know it

 

I really find it, its weird that every Kpop group must have at least one gay member!

 

is there any group who doesn't have? I will be intrested to know if there is

 

in my opinion, Kpop seems to me, have so many gays, double number of the average society!

 

I know that some of you, think its because so called "Korea", and they have cultural differences blah blah

 

the ordinary Korean people, they don't wear woman clothes, and looks like girls like in Kpop, and they don't do these hardcore ships etc..!

 

even the more ridiculous thingy, I have recently, watched video of Korean guy, who criticize Kpop, for looking like girls, and it was more shocking

 

in conclusion, I think the huge numbers of gays in Kpop, is done deliberately by companies, especialy SM, and JYP

 

I think, during their time of training, the company check them, from talent to looks etc..and if they are homosexual, its seems to me, like its a good point to being debuted!!!

 

the reasons, is because the company want "fanservice" or shipping, couples inside each group

 

its also good, because the company don't want to bother, about "dating scandals", and so on

 

what do you guys think about this?

 

 

I don't think that every kpop group must have a gay member, but i think that i

n general there are more lgbt people in the world and their presence tends to

be noticed especially when they are in the entertainment industry, not even just

kpop. i'm sure there are just as many gay scientists, etc, but no one cares much.

 

i dn't know if there's any group that doesn't have a gay member because again, i don't

know the actual sexualities of these people. like most (unless they have solid evidence)

i'm just speculating. i'm sure that there is a group with all heterosexual members, and

remember, at most, 1/4 of a group is suspected, which means 3/4 are thought as being

straight. that means that generally, hetereosexual is still he majority   

 

as for the female clothes/makeup/ships, that's all company directed and really doesn't say

 much for the actual idol, unless said idol has been in the industry do long they have control

over their presentation.

 

as for the huge number of lgbt in sm and jyp, that just gave me a thought. what if trainees

have inside info on this sort of stuff? like "hey, join this company, they'll be sure to keep your

sexuality under wraps" or gay trainees join sm/jyp because both companies are known for being

airtight with straight relationships so they are more than likely to be stifling with covering up gay

ones? food for thought.

 

lastly, companies will do shipping no matter your sexuality. this is kpop after all   

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jonghyun doesn't even try to hide anymore

he just goes full homo (esp if minho is involved)

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btw, you said that suga had been giving you bi-vibes prior to current, right?

do you mind telling me what pinged you *interested*

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lmao @ some of you claiming that christianity/organized religion and bigotry are hand in hand

for people who claim to be open-minded you are displaying quite a bit of ignorance.

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dp  :(

 

also what do you guys think of b1a4 outside of sandeul/baro ?

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Sorry, haven't read past this yet, so if this is already addressed I apologize, but: this is often a bad assumption. Even when idols can't/don't speak English does not mean they can't read Engish. It goes with learning another language, your proficiency skills don't all improve at the same rate. For example, I know I can read Korean better than I can speak or write it.

 

And by now, there are a lot of idols either raised in the west or have studied in western schools in the business, their publicists or their interns are often multilingual, and unlike most of the western world vis a vie Korean, Korean children are now exposed to English and western culture at a young age, both inside or outside the classroom. I think the latter point is most important--I think because English-speaking westerners (mostly Americans) aren't used to this kind of systematic exposure to another language, because of this knowing we are clueless about other languages, think the rest of the world would be just as clueless about English as well. Nope.

 

So this speculation stuff is never "safe", so...take from that what you will. I'm obviously reading the thread, so there's that.

 

Also about your biases disappointing you with homophobic comments:

 

I don't know how many of you are LGBTQIA people who are also employed, but I'm a queer woman who works, and I hate the "no homo" stuff but I know there is a real-world aspect to this too. Even if you are gay/lesbian/bi or an ally, not everyone else is. The more tolerant idols have to live and work with people in their group who range from being straight up homophobic to mildly uncomfortable with it. They often do not want to alienate them. I know I wouldn't want to alienate people who I work with, so I know they can't afford to alienate people they spend nearly 24 hours a day with.

 

They need to think about their colleagues as well. They don't want another idol outside of their group telling their manager "I don't feel comfortable working with so-and-so because they like men/women". And all talk about "collectivist culture" aside, it really sucks being the odd one out.

 

Their superiors, older people from a previous, less tolerant generation like managers, producers, CEOs, etc can also make or break their careers if they find an idol too "suspicious". Most of the gay people who are "out" (either explicitly or "for all intents and purposes"), if you notice, they are vets. They have paid their dues and proven themselves near indispensable. Not everyone is so fortunate.

 

I know it sucks that we have to make concessions for heteronormative culture, but we all gotta eat, and they most likely have career goals for the future once they stop being idols that would be decimated if the wrong person/people didn't want them around.

 

Everyone can have their own opinion on any idol you want (note: I'm not defending homophobia), but I think the practical issues around gender identity/sexual orientation or often ignored while we are speculating. This is all entertainment, folks.

 

Edited to add: I also respect Koreans (either native or diasphoric) who do address homophobia in their society, and by no means seek to invalidate their efforts; again, I'm not "excusing" anyone, certainly not because they are Korean. My points were just about them being working adults.

 

for a second i was confused like, "why did they suddenly turn to a career in animal care"

but now i get what you are saying lol. i agree with your points, better said than i ever could :3

also this is random bu i went to my first gsa meeting guys :3

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Am I the only one who gets vibes from Taecyeon of 2PM? Along with Chansung, they're the only ones from 2PM who ping me.

 

I feel like guys of his sort and other male idols who aren't flamboyant, or haven't exhibited any stereotypically gay (or homoerotic) behavior, are always overlooked solely because they "act straight". It's funny too, cause most gay dudes that I'm personally associated with irl don't exactly behave like Sungjong or Heechul lmao.

 

It reminds me of this video I watched. Two brothers came out to their parents at the same time, and while they said they expected the more "flamboyant" one to be gay, they never expected the more run-of-the-mill masculine son to be gay.

 

It's even moreso annoying that when you do suspect someone who isn't stereotypically gay, people are all like "LMAO! WTF!?" "Not a chance!". It goes to show how conditioned stereotypes are in some people; including some gays themselves lol.

 

bruh not totally related but when i came out to my friends early junior year,

the first thing they said to me was that didn't "look bisexual". rather they

suspected my other friend to be bisexual simply because she had piercings,

thick eyeliner and dyed hair. what was worse was that the bitches who told

me i didn't look bisexual ,are just a plain-jane as me: no piercings, no dyed hair,

no alternative clothing, yet i never told them they didn't "look pansexual" or that

they didn't "look like a flamboyant polysexual transboy"

 

but yeah tl;dr i agree with you i just had to tell someone that story. that's why

it's also better to only try and judge sexuality off of some actions(how they act

around people)/words and not others (mannerisms or stuff like that)

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That's probably because in the early 2000s it was really popular among scene kids to pretend to be bisexual for attention (well, I'm sure some of them actually were bi, but either way they were loud and attention seeking about it), so a lot of people ended up with the idea that bisexuals are all into alternative fashion and stuff 

 

but we're like 17  

why should early 2000s stuff should be relevant to us   

either way, i think it was more hurtful/irritating because they themselves

are plain, so to say i didn't "look like my sexuality" was just so ironic it hurt 

 

anyhow, look at these pics of setao with their child er a cat that i stole from another thread

 

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If an idea is established strongly enough, it'll usually get passed on to the next generation. The 90s and early 2000s did a looot to establish the ideas that bisexuals are either massive sluts or are faking it/going through a phase, and those ideas still haven't died out (though with each "normal" seeming bisexual that comes out I feel like it gets at least a little better).

 

Just keep being yourself and it'll help to slowly tear down the stereotypes 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ahh I cannot even handle those pictures     

 

you are right, i never thought of it that way. and i will follow your advice C:

and ikr i just can't handle it rght nowit is just too much for me to handle

loves these guys

 

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http://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/2ibajw/since_nobody_wanted_to_listen_ama/

 

So apparently the source of the Taohun pictures posted them to prove Tao has a girlfriend. She posted other pictures with three girls and one holding the cat I think, the same cat Tao and Sehun are holding. Why wouldn't she post a picture with Tao and her if that was the case? (For her to expose him)  

 

This doesn't sit right with me 

 

So according to him/her the girl in the middle is Tao's girlfriend: 

 

 

 

if she was tao's gf why didn't he just ost a pic of himself holding the cat? #mess

and yeah in th thread i got the pics from, they said it looked like jia's cat which makes

me even happier because that means china-line interactions.