Which male idols do you think are gay?

[little freak]

8 hours ago, Chicken soup said:

Oh I remember this. I also remember that Key was rumored to be dating that male model which name I don't remember. They apparently were childhood friends. They also posted abt each other a lot and the model called Key "jagi" which is like honey or something. People also suspected a messy break up cuz they suddenly stopped hanging out and cut off all social media contacts. 

Same happened with Key and Chaejin (MYNAME). Dinner dates in fancy places many times a week, strategic shots without the other in the picture. Chaejin posting pictures of him sleeping in Key’s bed with his dogs. Posting pictures with him wearing Key’s clothes. Showing up at all events together. Then he deletes almost all pictures with him and they unfollow each other suddenly last year.

The models name is Park Hyeongseop 

Edited September 21, 2021 by mari0408

[little freak]

There are so many more receipts on Key but I fear of looking like a stalker when I’m just an older fan that has picked up tidbits and info along the way…… let’s just say he’s definitely part of the gay circle in kpop and he’s linked with all the major suspects (yes, he’s close friends with Jo Kwon, Kwanghee, Ren... Apparently that’s not really common knowledge?). It’s kind of surprising that non-fans pick up on things about him bc tbh most of his queerness is behind the scenes (well it’s pretty obvious in front of the scenes too lmao) though yea he doesn’t really try to hide it 

Edited September 21, 2021 by mari0408

[little freak]

1 hour ago, Your local dumbass said:

Is there an idol that is generally tought to be lgbt by fans that you personally think is NOT lgbt? Kinda like an an unpopular opinion thing. 

i know the opinions on heechul have shifted, but even before then i didn’t buy him being gay. he just seemed to do fan service. no male idol who is suspected of actually being gay would be comfortable enough to joke about or even stir those rumors. people before played it up to him being “confident gay” but i never bought it. especially after snsd members said he even used them to get girls’ attention. the male idols i know who ACTUALLY have gay rumors, as in based on real life (key, jo kwon, kwanghee, sungjong, to name a few) either don’t even bring it up/ignore them or try to get those people to be quiet.

also most nct members. i don’t know them well but only a few of them ping me, not like half the group like some. 

i don’t think kai is lgbt. idk if that’s an unpopular opinion though?

and as a shawol, taemin doesn’t really ping me either. 

[little freak]

1 hour ago, temiiro said:

something i could imaging however happening is gen 4 artists coming out. We already have Holland, who i think is doing quite well, even if he had to suffer a lot to get to this point. I know this is a bit of a naive thought, but we'll see.

i think regardless of generation, the most likely situation would be an idol who isn't active anymore coming out. unless the tides completely shift, i don't see an active idol, nugu or not, point-blank saying "i'm gay". if it were an active idol, they would have to be someone who is willing to throw their whole career away i think. someone who really can't take it anymore. or even just someone with a really strong mind and will to be the First, the pioneer, no matter the response. with so many idols who have dreamed of being an idol their whole life and have devoted their life to that, i don't see the vast majority of them willing to throw that away. for the time being, i could see more idols being like jo kwon, where they will live in a complete glass closet, being vocal about their support for the community and giving hints, doing everything short of coming right out and saying it. i think that's where we'll be for the good foreseeable future. holland is different because he was already out when he became an idol and he's a free agent. it's a very different situation from an idol who is already established. so while holland is completely important in terms of visibility of lgbt within the industry, it doesn't really set a precedent for already established idols. i think for a precedent to be set, it would have to be an active, established (or relatively high-profile) and well-liked idol. 

so yea, i don't think it's a generation thing. just someone who is willing to be the first and willing to throw their career away. perhaps 4th gen might have someone with that strong of a will, but we'll see. 

Edited September 30, 2021 by mari0408

[little freak]

have any other idols mentioned watching xavier dolan films? a few years back, key mentioned in an insta live how he loves 'i killed my mother' and 'mommy' by him. he even had his phone background as the poster image from 'mommy'.

[little freak]

i’m not backing up any shipping or anything, but i think people underestimate how much two same-sex idols could get away with. basically everything short of declarations of love (even then, it could be brushed off) or idk dispatch-style photos of them making out can all be brushed away as “friendship”. hell, even kisses on the lips have been brushed off as “look how close they are!” it’s really insane. not that i think any idols that do that are lgbt, it just shows the threshold for how much same-sex idols can get away with in the name of closeness. anything that could be used as “evidence” for a female and male idol dating could all be brushed off as friendship for two male idols. and that’s where there is safety for mlm idols. so while yes, i do believe some are probably careful but at the same time? some could be out there and people would just be like “wow, they’re such good friends!”

we’ll never know regardless. i bet two female idols could get away with even more than two male idols tbh 

Edited October 10, 2021 by mari0408

[little freak]

8 hours ago, vafonso19971 said:

Ok,many talk about Ren here in the comments
But what about this 2015 video where Aron translates "minki likes little boys" and then Ren is asked by the cameraman and he says "absolutely no" or " its absolutely different"

I would like to know the explanation that some people will have for this

 

i am half-japanese and know japanese. so in the japanese he wants to translate, it says he likes “男の子” which doesn’t necessarily mean little boys, it just means boys. given context it could mean little boys, but it’s also just used plainly to refer to “boys”. it’s a bad translation, but it doesn’t have to mean “little”. like how in english we say someone likes boys or girls, given context it could mean “little”, but when we use it normally it just means you like that gender, it doesn’t mean that they are “little”. this seems to be from their japanese activities, so they were probably translating from japanese to english and this came out. so the cameraman, who seems to be japanese, understands it to mean “minki likes boys”, to which he replies “no, you have it wrong.” it’s a very heavy accusation to throw onto someone based on a bad translation and a short clip so i think this is a very dangerous title and why people should not rely on translations of people who can’t speak a language. so for all intents, his sentence in japanese just means “minki likes boys”. the clip is short, so we don’t see where the sentence originated, if it was in english originally or from korean to english to japanese or from japanese to english, or if they understand the nuance of “little boys” vs “boys” in english. but a translation app that doesn’t pick up on context can translate boys to little boys. idk if korean will translate the same but it will from japanese to english. 

so yea, the cameraman is understanding it as “minki likes boys” and ren is responding to him liking boys, not little boys.

but yes, i do think that ren is gay. between his “born this way” tattoo, friendships with key and jo kwon, his choices in musicals, it all points in one direction.

Edited October 10, 2021 by mari0408

[little freak]

On 10/9/2021 at 1:39 AM, Lee said:

Key was invited to perform on Sketchbook, which is a music program on a public TV channel (KBS). He performed his title track Bad Love as well as a cover to Juice (orig. Lizzo).

I think Juice has been acknowledged as a pride anthem in blog spaces. See: Buzzfeed and Freegal (a music database).

and this is not the first time key has kept male pronouns in his covers. in 2013, he covered lady gaga’s judas (along with hair) and he kept the male pronouns. he also sang kesha’s tik tok in 2011, where he sang “boys tryna touch my junk” and then proceeded to smack his own butt lmao ooh young kibum was so out there for the time and people just brushed it off as eccentricity. he knows english and he knows what he is singing. he’s been like this for a while and some people are only starting to notice. somehow things that would be blown up and viral if another idol did it is just brushed off with him for some reason. kshawol twitter was running in circles interpreting the lyrics to this song and many were amazed that he was brave enough to do this on public broadcast. yea. it is the first time he did it for broadcast. his other covers were never officially added to any concert dvds. his conscience decision to change “b*tch you lie” into “boy you lie” and not change any pronouns is just *chef’s kiss*

Edited October 10, 2021 by mari0408

[little freak]

happy national coming out day all. jo kwon posted this on instagram and i thought it was beautiful. it’s his collab stage with the openly gay dance crew comingout and la chica on street woman fighter (swf) to born this way. definitely check it out!

his message:

“We are not weird but "special".
We all deserve to be loved and respected.
I hope this stage could have been a ray of hope, dash of courage, or an unobvious consolation for everyone discriminated for whatever reason - background, race, disability, sexual orientation, etc.
When La Chica first reached out to me for this collaboration I really wanted to get this message across, and I wanted to be respectful.
I hope we touched lots of hearts.
All the amazing dancers and myself are very proud of what we were able to express and represent on stage! hope you guys felt the energy as we did.
Stay hopeful! Your courage and patience will see the beautiful light of acceptance and LOVE one day.”

his instagram post: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CU4W6DolQuH

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by mari0408
there we go lol

[little freak]

12 hours ago, gam3 bo1 said:

speaking of woohyun and key, why were they speculated to be a couple?? i've tried to do some searching around but have never been able to find anything. for some reason the stuff/timeline about hyungseop (a non-idol) and key is easier to find lmao

where to start? i was a fan back then so i remember lmao so they initially became friends after key was given woohyun’s number and he felt like “he found another him” they would text all the time, to the point that a suju member (i don’t remember and don’t care to) who met him in the bathroom while woohyun was brushing his teeth and texting at the same time said “stop texting your girlfriend” and he said “it’s key!” during the same radio program that he revealed this story, he said “I hope you two can reveal your relationship one day” take that as you will. so that will tell you how inseparable these two were. they also mentioned each other all the time in interviews and were always together. well that was a bit of time before toheart happened (this was 2012 toheart was 2014)

by the time toheart started, he all but abandoned all the other 91L friends for just woohyun. ftisland jaejin, another 91L friend, revealed in like 2016 that key basically dropped all of them for woohyun and asked him why (and key got really awkward having to talk about that on tv lmao) well toheart starts and wooo boy. it was a time. this isn’t just ifans and their shipping. no, these two had actual dating rumors, to the point that key even addressed it (he never addresses rumors or his sexuality). they would wear couple items all the time and say “it’s just to show great style as a team!” they would get awkward when asked about if they would also wear couple items with a girlfriend or asked if there is any other idols they are interested in. they would call each other “my hyun” and “my bum” and woohyun said he would also call key “mine”. fans made accounts of seeing them off camera holding hands and being much more touchier than on camera. not to mention their mv where they sang about how love is delicious and apparently singing about a girl when there wasn’t even one in the mv but there was them being very domestic together. no, it wasn’t just ifans and yaoi fangirls looking into things, kfans also thought their mvs were quite sus. 

oh and they used to hang out together with key’s then-very-highly-alleged bf, model park hyeongseop. yes. there is overlap between when he was with hyeongseop and this whole thing with woohyun. actually it’s around the time or a little before toheart that key’s breakup  with hyeongseop happened. 
 

just because i want to show how ridiculously cheesy these two were. woohyun dropped him off at the airport once and looked so heartbroken waving him goodbye lmao like okay chill he’s only gone for a few days. 

im not overly invested in thinking they were a thing tbh. but there are many things that made me hmmm during the whole era and it absolutely wouldn’t surprise me if they were. especially with how the fallout was, how awkward they are to this day (but are still forced together from time to time bc they were toheart) i also find it sus how since that time, key said that he keeps work and romance separate and how when he was “younger” he would give his all in a relationship or for someone he wants to be with. that makes me hmm sometimes. i don’t think it’s impossible that they went from best friends to more at some period of time between 2012 and 2014. key also said he took rumors of him releasing the album to cover up his relationship with woohyun “as jokes” (this was an attempt to address dating rumors that… didn’t… really address the dating rumors?) but what gets me thinking maybe they weren’t together is that there wasn’t really a clean break, like a point where a breakup clearly happened like key with hyeongseop. they mostly got less and less close and then nothing (this could also be an attempt of not making people think anything happened between them, when something clearly did. depends how you look at it.) another is that sometimes they will interact with one another still. but idk if either is the type to stay friends with an ex after they break up. but yea they mostly don’t interact at all or meet. when one or the other mentions or comments on the others posts, it’s mass chaos lmao they’re in their divorce era. bear with them.
 

key is still friends with some of the main 91L friends (soyou, nicole,  jinwoon) you know, the people he dropped for woohyun lmao. he actually had dating rumors (nothing concrete tho) with other 91L friends nicole and soyou started by fans with no evidence other than they don’t think a boy and girl can just be friends apparently. these he actually addressed directly and said he is totally confused as to why people think he dated them. his other friend who was with them (him and soyou) on the program during this time was also like ?? why would people think that you dated either of them, like really taken aback. i just find it interesting that he could directly address those but beat around the bush with his dating rumors with woohyun, not clearly denying it.

but yea 91L is no longer what it once was and it’s all bc of wookey. he will hang out with them separately, not as a group like before. wookey were disgusting and cheesy together and bit off more than they could chew making a unit together.

a tale of best friends turned boyfriends making music together? maybe. cautionary tale not to sh*t where you eat?  definitely.

take all this as you will. i just find the whole keyseop to wookey era highly entertaining and key was really messy from like 2011 to 2014. it was… a time. im more inclined to believe he actually dated hyeongseop and chaejin (myname) tbh woohyun im less sure than those two

this was longer than intended lmao 

bring on the clown reacts lmao im not overly into thinking they were together either. i just like to tell a good story im not trying to convince anyone.

Edited October 13, 2021 by mari0408

[little freak]

46 minutes ago, gam3 bo1 said:

this was..... really informative lmao thank u

also i find this bit interesting because i just remembered i watched this podcast on dive studios that eric nam did with nicole a while ago (i know nothing about her), it's from 2020, and i remember her mentioning that key and soyou were her friends but there was no mention of woohyun anywhere. i didn't know they were all a friend group together at one point in time but wow.. it adds up.

yea they all clearly chose a side in the whole breakup/fallout (key) because woohyun was basically only in the friend group for key. if key and woohyun hadn’t made a unit together, i don’t think they would feel inclined to still keep in touch and keep up appearances tbh 

[little freak]

1 hour ago, AstroBaby said:

This clip is interesting... I honestly thought Key was out to his family but I guess the only son pressure is still strong

 

it doesn’t surprise me. he’s said that his parents are very conservative. he’s even said before that there are many things they don’t know about him. i mean, this is the man that at 14, he went back and forth between daegu and seoul to audition for sm behind his parents back. and when they found out he wanted to be a singer, they were so surprised because “you’re such a shy boy” lmao riiight. interestingly, key has been hinting lately that he wants to move to america. he’s said quite a few times in the past how much he loves san francisco so i wouldn’t be surprised if he moved to california. but yea he always gets visibly uncomfortable when marriage is brought up in shows or if other people talk about it. as a fan, he doesn’t strike me as someone who would feel obligated to get married to be a filial son though.

but it is interesting that he says “strangely” they’re bringing up marriage (in other translations) like bringing up marriage to your only child who just turned 30 isn’t so strange? lmao idk he seems confused as to why they are bringing it up though. idk if that means anything. 

i know jo kwon is also an only child. i wonder how that will work out for him too. 

Edited October 15, 2021 by mari0408

[little freak]

totally normal senior-junior interaction

[little freak]

7 minutes ago, AstroBaby said:

Yeah ik his parents are conservative I just figured that he had come out at some point during his wild phase and that it was just one of the many things that made their relationship tense at the time. But sometimes it's not enough to come out once ik I did as a teen but then like 5 years later my mom was like 'is that still true?' so it could be something like that where they're seeing if things have changed which is why it's 'strange'. 

yea i do find it interesting that he’s talking about them more now and how much he loves their support. like we went for so long hardly ever hearing anything about them, especially since they didn’t really raise him? he was raised by his grandmother who he was closer to before she passed. i could see that situation happening though and him being confused bc he already told them. he’s really a person who sticks with his convictions. 

i also found this interesting from the same show

 

[little freak]

1 hour ago, Dont mind me said:

3 things that I noticed during this tweets. 

Of topic:

1) Seungkwan is the younger version of Key. He reminds me so much of him. 

2) I really want to decorate key's apartment. I really hope that living room with that grey couch isn't his real house

3) I love that he has military friends that are so comfortable with him. Military is rough for anyone in SK, but especially for those who have gay rumours like him. And I assume those who served with him did Google his name, that means even this site came up. 

On topic: 

I don't think he would show his ex on a national TV, so maybe they are really good friends who were allies in the army. 

lmao that place he’s doing commentary at isn’t his apartment. him and his military friends went away for a retreat (where they swam with little floaties, played sports terribly, and key cooked two meals for them)

this is his living room

for shits and giggles:

but yea i don’t think they dated, they’re just really good friends (and i think the friend is gay). his military friends are all so nice. 

[little freak]

2 hours ago, Nanamie said:

Lmao really when ? Did he brought it up himself? (need the recept for a laugh). Still he wants to move abroad so it's a possibility. 

yea it was during debut days so he was like 16. the last time he said he wanted kids was like 2017? and he didn’t mention marriage along with that. some heteronormative fans still run with that to show that he wants to get married so ofc he can’t be gay! for some reason. recently, he’s said he can’t imagine getting married or having kids. but wanting kids doesn’t have anything to do with sexuality in my opinion. it’s one thing to want kids and another to think it’s a possibility for yourself in a country where same sex couples can’t adopt.

[little freak]

7 hours ago, tomek said:

Were there any cases of Knetizens being homophobic to idols? 

idk are there?

 

[little freak]

8 hours ago, tomek said:

I just read that entire homophobic discussion on Naver and it made me sick to my stomach.

They are the majority. Men. Women.

Can we please be more sympathetic when idols back-paddle and make heteronormative statements? Can we please not take any support for granted?

I feel sad just thinking about growing up in a place like that. It's opressive and humiliating.

exactly this. i remember some time after jo kwon discharged, he said something like he “hopes people don’t misunderstand him” because of dressing the way he does etc. those statements aren’t for people who support him and fans so much as it is for the gp to get off his back. those who know him see through those statements and know they aren’t for them. the gp doesn’t care about personal insta posts or anything like that. but once you’re making headlines and they are forced to see something, then come the comments. and he was then, so that’s why he made such a statement. as long as you give people reasonable doubt about your sexuality, they can’t pin anything on you. so he can be openly supportive of the community and do drag, but he will have to make such statements from time to time just to give doubt to certain people about his sexuality. 
 

not a male idol but remember when sunmi called herself an lgbt queen at her concert? yea she had to back paddle that and say she just supports. yea i think about that a lot.

Edited October 19, 2021 by mari0408

[little freak]

3 hours ago, Sugar Daddy said:

but he probably says that because of crazy fans. if he said he wants to get married, some sasaengs can get ideas

he knows the role he has to play with fans and he does it well. that’s why fans who pay attention will see discrepancies between what he says to fans or on variety shows and what he really thinks. he’s said many contradictory things over the years. i listen and believe his words more on insta lives and the like. this one recent insta live where one fan asks if he wants to have kids… his awkward pause and look after lmao yea he isn’t thinking about really having kids. that being said, most his fans know what’s up with him. compared to the other members, he doesn’t really have those “gf” stans and he was the least popular member for a long time because he doesn’t give in to those kinds of fans.

Edited October 20, 2021 by mari0408

[little freak]

5 hours ago, AstroBaby said:

yeah I've noticed this trend of babywols/4th gen fans acting like it's more 'woke' to think Key's straight or 'omg these rumors could hurt his career!' like I promise you english speaking twt teens are not going to be the final push to make Koreans go 'damn maybe this guy's sus.. #canceled' they've thought that since he debuted and he's one of the most relevant variety idols anyway. Or another tweet that was like 'you praise Key for breaking gender roles but say he's gay doesn't that defeat the purpose' as if breaking gender roles doesn't count for anything if you're gay....

seriously this new gen of fans are actually putting us back. i’ve been into kpop and shinee since 2010 and that’s how it was back then. it genuinely makes people mad and angry that key could be gay because he’s also feminine. angry that he follows the “stereotype”. so while yes the kpop fandom as a whole is more open than it was in the late 00s, there is also a lot more latent homophobia. these new people will just flat out ignore anything he does that is feminine or gnc or try to “butch” him up (refusing to call him anything other than handsome or manly. never gifing or cutting videos of him acting feminine.) which is honestly laughable. he’s never cared about conforming to masculinity. not back in 2008 and ceeeertainly not now. back then, people would say “he’s just metrosexual! stop saying he’s gay!” and we’ve come full circle. i feel like these people think it’s just international fans who think he’s gay just because of stereotypes when even in korea he’s highly thought of as being gay and has pretty solid receipts. it all reminds me of jo kwon and how people would think it was more “woke” to think he’s straight and just acting gay when he was still active as an idol. idk what it is about feminine and most likely gay idols that make people mad that others think they’re gay. no i know. it’s homophobia.

[little freak]

18 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

How can anyone think Jo Kwon is straight?? They must have bumped their heads multiple times when they were kids. 

On a serious note, I understand where the over correction comes from when the I-fans give their input regarding some idols. When the word metro guys came out, many of the older generations including gay men were quick to judge them as gay. In the last decade or so, this new generation were gender confirmation or stereotypes aren't the norm anymore, many don't want to use old boxes for identifying gay men. I can see why they did away with some of the criteria's, because it wasn't inclusive for other gay men who weren't feminine. However, what has happend is that they went overboard and became super sensitive and stop using receipt together with mannerism and saying, yes he could be gay if you add up all the evidence. 

People these days don't want to overstep on someone and want to seem open to any possibility, but in doing so they are also suppressing them. It is okay to be gay and feminine, it is also okay to be a bear and gay. This community loves those boxes, to the point they are themed parties. I guess that one does go over the heads with some well intended progressive minds. The gay community is very abrasive and doesn't give a shit and loves giving names and categorising things. I know when I came out it helped me navigate my own shit and where I could find people similar to me. My advice for some of these fans is go open grinder or something similar in their own country, they will find all these stereotypes being real. 

I also want to say , if a guy only has a typical non standard male behaviour it also doesn’t automatically mean he is gay. It all depends on how many breadcrumbs we really have on someone. 

yes this was very common back in the day, especially during jo kwon’s wgm and mnet scandal days. people would be so mad that others thought he was gay. and this was during thai gay club gate! it was common to see comments back in the day about jo kwon and key saying “he’s too cute to be gay” yeaaaa i think the masses have got the clue finally but man it was like hello???? back in the day. people really didn’t want to see it lmao

i do get the over correction. but also like who is going to argue about another person’s sexuality that isn’t 100% confirmed? lmao i will see people say “you think he’s gay just bc of the girl group dances!” and its like no? we don’t. it’s that in combination with many other receipts but who is gonna sit down and put in energy to argue with that bc it just makes you seem too invested. there are many male idols that do girl group dances that i don’t think are gay (kihyun and heechul, for example) like it’s great that people are bringing more attention the spectrum of people in the community but at the same time they’re ignoring those that do fit those stereotypes bc, hey!, they exist too and have a right to express themselves in such a way. now see if jo kwon was only invested in girl group dances and didn’t have any other receipts on him, i would get those people saying he isn’t gay. but with all his receipts, honey, they are just turning a blind eye in an effort to seem like the wokest of woke tbh i def agree with you. it’s a hard truth to face but stereotypes exist for a reason. no, everyone doesn’t fit it. but enough people do to where you can see a pattern. that doesn’t mean we should see all people as the stereotype but people also gotta realize that means a lot will fit the stereotype. and those who do shouldn’t be ignored. that’s where progressiveness has its setback.

i do wish there were better words too. masculinity and femininity is a spectrum that differs from person to person and it isn’t based on gender. it reminds me of what key has said before “for me, there's no boundary between femininity and masculinity”.

[little freak]

24 minutes ago, AstroBaby said:

And now some tiktok fans think he's dating Noze  

 

 

in front of a support van for his show. his show where they dress up as themes related to the guests. dressed as his long-time backup dancer who’s going to guest on said show. they really solved that case like sherlock lmao straight people are wild. just as i was saying a little while ago, it really takes anything to make people think a guy and girl are dating.

[little freak]

15 minutes ago, vafonso19971 said:

I just have a question about Ren, I don't know if you've watched this Vlive with Ren: https://www.vlive.tv/video/86443/playlist/81320

And at 6:50 minutes when the question is about an appearance that is actually different,Ren says he's completely straight...But I put in Korean subtitles and the word "normal" appears, and I asked a Korean friend and she also told me that Ren speaks the word normal

Did you get to look at this video? do you think it might be a translation error or something?

 

 

i don’t know much korean so i don’t know how much my input will matter, but i will speak as someone who regularly does jp-en translation. it’s very likely the translator could have used the word straight based on their understanding of what “normal” is. that’s the setback of translation: people will knowingly or unknowingly make their own inferences on what the speaker means based on their own world views and translate it in such a way. he could really have meant that compared to his androgynous image previously, he is quite “normal” ie a normal guy or plain. it’s possible that the translator inserted their own opinion of what normal is and that normal = straight. so yea, at the end of the day translators are humans who interpret things in their own way and it isn’t always true to the original speakers’ intent or opinions. they don’t know what the speaker means or intends with their words so they interpret as they see fit. as a side note, i know how much people clown those who defend their biases when “bad translations” come out, but it really does happen sometimes bc of such reasons.

[little freak]

12 hours ago, peach0827 said:

idk who this guy is but i went and watched the vlive, he said: 하지만 저는 지극히 정상이라는 거 알아주셨으면 좋겠어요 which means "please know that i'm a normal person regardless (of the fact that he had long hair or whatever he said before)

정상 means normal, so he didn't say he's straight, he called himself normal. he was pretty vague about it but he pretty much insinuated that people might think he's homosexual bc of his androgynous appearance, so he let people know he's "normal" aka straight. that's why the trans says straight instead of normal

again the question needs to be asked: did he intend it in such a way or are you insinuating based on your own views on what he meant? are you the one who thinks androgyny = gay, so normal = straight or did he intend it in such a way? bc for all intents, androgyny is just a gender expression and doesn’t have to do with sexuality. you’re saying it was vague and then saying it just means normal, but also interpreting it in your own way on what you think he meant?

[little freak]

4 hours ago, peach0827 said:

look, in my previous post i wrote the exact translation of what he said, which was along the lines of "please know that even though i dress androgynously and have long hair i'm still normal". now personally, taking into account the general public opinion on dressing androgynously as a male, especially in korea, i interpreted that as him saying that he's straight. do it think that straight=normal? no. does the majority of korea, especially a couple years ago when this clip took place, think that straight=normal? yes. 

even if you do mental gymnastics and say "ok well dressing androgynously doesn't mean gay", dressing androgynously is frowned upon literally for the sole reason of it "feminizing" men aka making them stray away from their macho heteronormative selves. he said he is afraid to dress androgynously because he's scared that the public would "misunderstand". literally all the dots are connecting. 

i based my interpretation on what's most likely to be the meaning of his words, not on my personal beliefs. i don't even know who this guy is i was just trying to be helpful by translating it literally, since someone asked. i really don't care that much so there's no reason for me to purposefully try to make him look bad.

it was just a genuine question. i was just trying to find out how you came to the conclusion and who was inferring what. i didn’t think you were making him look bad or anything just trying to find out how an it could be interpreted in such way. i just wanted you to clear up the question i felt wasn’t answered that i had. i think i understand a little better, though i do think they still took a bit too many liberties using “straight” in the original translation bc he may have meant it in that way.

Edited October 28, 2021 by mari0408