Which male idols do you think are gay?

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6 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

I don't know why the director would want such a thing. Either he wanted something like this according to the script he had, or he directed wrongly his actor. A user above says he asked Jimin to act " creepy " Does the director think acting like a flirty little gay is creepy or did Jimin thinks like that? Both come to a bad conclusion for me. Since I didn't see Jimin saying anything like "creepy" in the video I watched, I completely blame the director.

It is clear that we think differently on many issues. Let's say we agree that we disagree. It seems to me that fans forget that BTS members are just doing their job just like other idols. Just like a model, actress, company employee, they have obligations to fulfill and conditions to comply with. That's why to me, it makes more sense to look at their personal activities, friends, and interests rather than focusing on idols' lives and conversations in front of the cameras in general.

 

Which video did you watch? All I can find is this behind the scenes of the VCR which doesn’t have that Jhope conversation (unless I missed it)

 

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On 7/9/2021 at 4:36 PM, Ludo said:

For this matter.(Jimin), we see those kind of comment on int- twitter and all but what about knetz ? Do they say more or less the same thing or is it vastly different ?

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I’ve been lurking this thread a long time (just made an account recently to ask for a link) and this is still something I’m not clear about. How is he viewed by knetz and the general Korean lgbt community? I’ve seen comments saying he pings for a lot of EA LGBT fans, and I’ve seen comments saying that he reads as a stereotypical Hannam the Hill fuckboy lol. Of course EA and SK fans are not a monolith but I’m curious if there’s some signifier ifans miss

It seems like the only consistent Jimin rumors that make their way to ifans is that he sleeps around with women a lot which confuses the issue further for me lol 

 

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3 hours ago, jklover said:

Hmmmm, could you share links?

Links to rumors about Jimin? I’m just talking about general gossip from Twitter, forums, friends of friends who are on kkt etc lol nothing really reliable or link worthy 

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9 hours ago, Aldwin said:

Taehyung is the one in BTS who I am absolutely sure isn't straight. Either gay or bisexual leaning to men. Nothing about him says straight. His attention to LGBT+ topics, love for queer media, the way almost all artists he admires are gay (we LGBT folks always gravitate to LGBT artists, we relate to them and their experiences). The way he carries and presents himself, the way he has never shown visible sexual attraction to women. He looks much more confident and accepting himself and his true self now that he used to, expresses himself confidently too.

Jungkook, I'm about 90% sure, is gay. Not even bi, gay. I know many idiots see him through heteronormative stereotypes - muscles, tats, obsessed with physical activities, he's totally straight! He has very delicate, feminine mannerisms (what Armys call 'dainty'). He's really open minded about many things - clothes, painted nails, homosexuality, he is more subtle in it that Taehyung but if you watch and listen to his words you'll see it. Like with Taehyung, you won't find any instances of him showing any attraction to women. He literlly looks more shy and flustered around men.

Jimin I actually think isn't bisexual but just curious. I just don't see and feel anything from his that would make me consider the possibility that he's queer. He's a straight guy who wouldn't mind to experiment with another guy, have a threesome, just because he's curious. His 'flirting' with men isn't an evidence like many people think, His flirtiness is simply a part of his flirty, 'sexual' personality, he's been like that forever. In fact, i really really doubt he would be this openly flirty in public with every guy he sees in public if he was actually gay/bi, he would try to be at least a little subtle lol. It's also the way he 'flirts', he always does it in a 'this is just for fun, I'm joking' way. Not as something that could raise suspicion and harm him, This is why I say he would be more subtle and not as eager to do it every time. This is a place for gossiping so I'll bring it up, the infamous video of him partying in a bar with escort girls (one of whom posted on her insta that they''d gonna meed him again tomorrow) should tell you something.

Yoongi , well I don't have to say anything about him, everyone agrees he's a 100% gay or bi or pan.

Hoseok is a Heterosexual Straight Man. No question. So is Namjoon. I'm not sure about Seokjin. He's most likely straight but he's so private and almost never shows his real self behind his public persona, we know almost nothing about him.

 

I agree with you about Jimin (or at least I have my doubts re: assumption that he’s definitely queer) but can you link where you’re getting that the girls were escorts who talked about meeting with him the next day? I was keeping up with the drama at the time and don’t remember seeing anything like that, afair they were just students who happened to be at the bar or knew his friend or something 

 

I actually disagree about Taehyung (*maybe* bi or queer but he’s definitely acted some type of way around women) and Jungkook (there is video evidence that he’s into at least 1 woman lol, if we’re talking about gossip)

 

Namjoon and Hoseok read to me as ....sus lol. Tbh I’m not sure why Namjoon is the designated het of the group when he’s been one of the more outwardly supportive members and, especially in the past, made some overtly thirsty comments about other members 

Agree on Jin and Yoongi 

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2 hours ago, jklover said:

Oh I see. I know Twitter 'tea' accounts that portray jimin as some kind of f*ckboy. Other accounts say he's the most popular with female idols. 

Yes lol tea accounts, ‘insider’ accounts, gossip forums and things like that. Nothing I take too seriously, I was just using as an example of how muddled the conversations around Jimin are. 
 

Tbh i figure there has to be something to it if it’s been repeated in so many separate places, but there really is no way of confirming. That’s why I’m curious what kfans have said about him 

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2 hours ago, succcjin said:

Yeah, afaik the jimin in paris thing has been debunked - they were just some local girls who saw jimin and his friend in a bar. Tbh I don't think a famous idol would hang out with a hooker in a foreign country in a *public* crowded bar.  If they did meet with an escort, it would be in a super private environment imo.

As for fboi rumors, I think this rumor about jimin and also V being fbois who like the go clubbing together has been around since like 2015. But there are still enough new armys who spread this old tea on yt, twitter, quora,etc. I personally haven't really heard any newer rumors about this, but then again I dont dig deeply into gossip sites.

Yeah this is basically what I’ve seen about V and Jimin. The (again, sketchy) gossip is that Jimin had more of a reputation for it than V. Some friends of friends have said it’s a rumor in k gossip chats as well but I don’t know the details of that 

I guess it’s pointless to analyze because from what I’ve seen reliable BTS tea is hard to find and people just repeat the same thing over and over without knowing the source. Besides the JK and Jimin incidents there’s nothing to work with so we might as well just analyze their film tastes for gay clues lol 

The Paris incident was so overblown At least with JK’s scandal (also overblown) he was obviously involved with the girl lol all Jimin did was get flicked in the forehead 

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5 hours ago, Josaline said:

What do you mean home? lol The whole event took place in Paris, and he returned to his hotel room, not his home, and no one knows whether he returned to the hotel room alone. He had boy friend/s with him. He may have even shared his room with one of them, but none of us know.

This is pedantic lol home = wherever he was sleeping that night, we all know he was in Paris 

of course nobody knows what he actually did but at some point you just have to go with the information that’s available 

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11 hours ago, Eremit said:

the fuckboy rumors I wouldn't take seriously, those tea accounts all go by "someone said that someone said that someone said that their cousin was a stylist at KBS" or sth which is ridiculous. Lots of times those rumors originate in China too. There's lots of malicious rumors about all of BTS (top group) obviously, it's difficult to differentiate what's spread by antis or akgaes. For example there were V gay rumors but they were found to be spread by JM/JK akgaes in China originally so not tea but just slander. Same as with the "escorts" for Jimin etc. All BS.

that said as far as I know bc someone asked, Jimin doesn't read as gay or "effeminate" in Korea, at least not the way he does for many Westerners. He's the most popular in Korea with men, not cause they're gay (most popular with the gays seem to be V and Jin based on those polls) but cause he's charming, talented and has star quality. He's also the most popular there with the oppa is my ideal boyfriend crowd, followed by JK and V.

Thanks for this insight! All I knew for sure was that Jin was popular with gay men in Korea, and that BTS is played a lot in some gay bars (according to exactly 1 person I know lol). 
 

Yeah the problem with these rumors (not just BTS but kpop tea in general) is that something gets repeated so much that it becomes ‘canon’ for new fans. All an insider account has to say is that Jimin is a fuckboy (for example) and a lot of people will decide that makes them legit because they already think it’s true. And as you said, the akgaes and antis are always working lol even if they don’t start a rumor they’ll spread or exaggerate it if it works for them. And bury/discredit rumors they don’t like

ive been following celeb gossip from different industries for years and 3rd-4th gen kpop is the hardest nut to crack by far lol 

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These Jimin flirting compilations are a reach, but then so are most of the moments people use to prove that a member of BTS is attracted to any gender. That video of them reacting to Normani is like a Rorschach test lol

I was going through this vid trying to find a good example but most of them are plausibly deniable and it’d be a waste of time trying to argue about them, we’re all just going to see what we want to see

There are moments from before 2016ish that I think are a lot less ambiguous but I won’t hold it against them lmao

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39 minutes ago, Josaline said:

Since the video is only for a few seconds, it is impossible for us to draw any conclusions from it. All we could see was Jimin candidly talking and joking with the woman and pulling her aside with him when he realized they were being filmed. Since when does flirting have certain limits? Sometimes even a smile can be flirty. In most of the things that many of us say that Jimin flirts with guys, he either smiles or just looks at them. For example, you say that Jimin did not show any interest in the interview with the Indian girl, while I wonder if we are watching the same thing. Because Jimin was one of the people who kept giggling and blushing throughout the interview.

 

I think my answer above answers most of what you wrote me. So if we don't accept these men's sincere reactions as little evidences, what will we accept? Of course, if he reacts to a sexy performance by a sexy woman on stage, I get this as his interest in women. If the person in the stage was Usher and he had this reaction, we would thinking differently, wouldn't we? So it just doesn't seem right to me to try to completely ignore or belittle Jimin's and other members' interactions with women, if any. I still think he's bi.

 

This. We can put Jimin’s interactions with male reporters under a microscope to prove he’s attracted to them, but his interactions with female reporters (or staff or whoever) are innocuous and we shouldn’t read too much into them? 
 

I mean BTS discussion on this thread is fueled by vibes anyway lol there is not a single smoking gun that proves without a doubt any of them are queer, if we can’t overanalyze the 10 times they have publicly interacted with women then what’s the point 

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2 hours ago, joonsoulie said:

Re: the 'reactions to sexy female performers' thing - I am curious what the demographics of straight men who haven't been dragged there by their girlfriends at pop diva concerts are. Not to say there aren't any, but I feel like it's probably rarer lmao.

What’s your point with this? If we’re talking about the Normani and Hwasa moments, BTS as a group *was* technically dragged there lol

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7 minutes ago, joonsoulie said:

My point is that a man cheering for a female performer doesn't necessarily mean he is attracted to her.

That’s true, and as you said it’s confirmation bias at the end of the day. But I have a hard time understanding how anyone can interpret Jimin’s reaction to, say, the Hwasa performance as neutral 

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6 minutes ago, Josaline said:

Well, Jimin's reaction wasn't looking like he was cheering, was it? lol

The discourse around Jimin’s reaction on here and other places was starting to make me feel so insane I showed it to people who don’t gaf about kpop to confirm that it *did* look like he was checking her out lol 

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8 minutes ago, joonsoulie said:

 

Re Hwasa you guys are going to neg me but people saying he bit his lip I guess? At her ass... she doesn't have one. Yes she is curvy in terms of hip to waist ratio but the girl is flat. And before you ask, no, I do not like Hwasa.

 

So he checked out her flat ass  

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3 hours ago, plutto said:

I know he isn't an idol, but Bang PD has been discussed here before and this old tweet of his has resurfaced:

So this man has not only recommended Troye Sivan and his Blue Neighbourhood trilogy, recommended Hayley Kiyoko, among other things, but he also has read Banana Fish?? And he even said that it is a BL, there is NO explanation for this

I'm not sure if he is lgbtq+ and unapologetic or he is just so confident that he is straight that he doesn't mind sharing obviously lgbtq+ media on his sns

Seriously...

Siri play the Bang PD Filter fancam 

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11 hours ago, JiminsOppa said:

Correct. Its just staggering to me that a man smiling and going 'wow' or 'cool' or 'ooh' during a performance is something people draw so much from.

Can’t speak for anyone else but as a gay person, with majority queer friends, who does not watch anime, I’m not drawing anything from these performance reactions. I’m saying what it *looks* like to me, based on my experiences around various people of various identities. Like the examples you’ve given (Malta, CMBYN, the Yoongi lyric etc), if you completely strip it of context and describe it on paper it can mean nothing. But there are intangible aspects to all of these moments that lead us to our conclusions.
 

You could be wrong, I could be wrong, we could both be wrong. We’ll probably never know. It’s all vibes.

Anyway everyone I’m sincerely sorry for dragging this BTS crap out further, please feel free to neg me 

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35 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

This was a real moment and more of a receipt than hwasa honestly. 

How was it more of a receipt than Hwasa? Both were “work” environments, cameras were in his face both times, his reactions were ambiguous at best and obviously not conclusive given how many pages on this thread have been spent debating them. Maybe he was just appreciating Hwasa’s performance skills, maybe he was just looking back at those guys because they were looking at him (or the camera crew he was with).
 

Who’s to say what counts as a “real” moment when almost everything we have access to was filmed and released by HYBE lol how are we drawing this line 

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6 hours ago, gdunnie said:

I read from sasaengs that maknae dated a coordi and the other sleeps around with women

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you check their sasaeng license to make sure they were certified 

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11 hours ago, AWA said:

SOPHIE is very popular among the people who listen to her type of music; queer and non-queer alike. She was an innovator; a brave, unflinching artist that so many people admired. Part of what made SOPHIE so special was the fact that she was a trans woman who was able to bring all types of people together in the name of art and music. I don't like the idea of pinning her talents and her outreach to just queer people (not saying you're doing this, btw).

This, Sophie was an icon but her reach was not as niche to queer folks as its being made to sound here. Many artists, queer or not, paid tribute to her when she died.

(which isn’t to say Ten is queer lol I just think sometimes this thread relies a little too much on music taste as evidence)

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8 hours ago, haseul said:

 

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that's true... but i was referring to vernon listening to charli xcx, sophie etc in my original post that this one you've quoted is about, not ten, just so you know haha

 

Oh lol sorry I lost track of what I was replying to 

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2 hours ago, heechulscunt said:

Haven't visited this thread for about 3-4 years. Years later 99% of this thread is still BTS shippers regurgitating the same stuff that's been already said and mentioned a billion times. Maybe I should give it another try after BTS disband or something idk.

Write a screenplay where all the characters talk about heechul and free yourself from this vicious cycle 

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4 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

Are you new to kpop? Because what I've seen is fanservice 101. The more I see this behavior of Jimin in front of the cameras, the more I'm sure he's not gay. 

Didn’t you call slow, deliberate on-camera thigh rubbing “normal for Korean standards” like a page ago

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2 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

Yes and? Skinship is normal among men in Korea and they use it to their advantage when fanservice, as in the video on the previous page. Interesting to Western fans, but ordinary to Korean fans. This is why western fans and Korean fans think so differently about Jimin. Do you think if Jimin was really gay or was in a relationship with one of the members, would he act like he did with Jungkook and the other members? With all the cameras shooting it? No way lol He knows very well what he's doing and it's called fanservice. Get over it Jikookers. Negging me will not change the truth lol

I’m not a Jikooker or a shipper, and actually got negged for saying I didn’t think Jimin was as queer as people on here make him out to be lol. I’m pointing out your original comment because you, as well as many in this thread and kpop fans in general, seem to be picking and choosing what you consider fanservice based on what you *want* to be true

comment in question for the rest of the class lol: https://onehallyu.com/topic/64-which-male-idols-do-you-think-are-gay/?do=findComment&comment=31163760

”Have you ever seen Taehyung with Jungkook?  Pretty much same. This is considering normal for an Korean standards I think lol”

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39 minutes ago, joonsoulie said:

Okay but... if it's normal behavior why wouldn't he do it in front of a camera even if he's gay

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Also don't you call fanservice anything except Taekook moments? Lol

 

Everyone’s queerbaiting except my faves obviously lmaooo

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7 hours ago, MotorHome said:

Unless an idol actually says the words “I’m gay” etc then they can do pretty much anything and loads of people won’t consider them being anything other than straight. So why would that stop a gay idol doing fan service when it is so normal? As I have said before, it is so personal as well. Some will enjoy fan service, some wont. Some will be bolder than others but it doesn’t mean they definitely are or definitely aren’t a part of the community. Also, not everything can be explained away as “they are just Korean” lol. There may be certain differences but lgbt people exist everywhere and some of them will have the same traits. 

Completely agree with this. There’s no one-size-fits-all rule for how a queer idol would *definitely* act - if there was then this thread would not be 3k pages long lol

I just find that a lot of people who argue about this online (not just on this thread) will use fanservice as either proof of queerness or proof of straightness depending on who the idol is. If x idol does it it’s cynical fanservice, but if y idol does it it’s sincere/coerced/has some kind of deeper meaning/whatever. I know I shouldn’t be expecting much from kpop fans but it’s ridiculous sometimes how they understand fanservice only to the extent that it backs up their preferred narrative 

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