Which male idols do you think are gay?

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13 hours ago, OptimusPremier said:

Don't worry I got your point! Tones don't go through well in writing, I guess I'm coming off as a bit cold. I actually agree people speculated less about the group in the 1st half of 2020 but I just disagreed on the reasons. They were less expressive but like I said I think it was because of behind-the-scenes issues, I don't think it was to please an american audience.

I also stand by the fact the company/group chose a very colorful, flamboyant Disco. I know it was like this already but most artists didn't choose a concept that loyal to its roots : I'll point out Dua Lipa "don't start now", Selena Gomez "dance again" or The Weeknd "blinding lights" for disco-inspired songs, none of them were this colorful or flamboyant in dancing. Like you said, the MMA dance break was flamboyant but Hoseok had already danced like that during his little freestyle bit in multiple perfs. There are multiple instances of Tae assuming sassy positions during performance, too.

Slapping his own ass at the finale :

 

 

 

Or these :

 

 

BST was actually the only homoerotic concept they had and LY Tear was the other sensual concept (Black Swan was quite sultry too and was meant to be promoted alone : MOTS was supposed to have 3 albums, Persona, Shadow and Ego, but something happened behind-the-scenes that changed the plans). It makes once every two years : it's just not concepts they do often. About gender-bending photoshoot, they did one as a concept but they've always worn clothes from women departments (during Black Swan perfs lately for example). Jungkook has always been vocal about clothes not having genders.

MOTS 7 was a weird period because of many reasons I and others pointed out already but since Dynamite, everything seems back to "usual". The members are even getting speculated again. So I think there was just an uneasy "phase" within the company/group.

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Long time lurker, never really wanted to reply until now. BTS is a strange phenomenon for me, especially how well they are trained when it comes to media.

However, you can see the difference in how there were before 2019 and now and I do agree with everything that you said regarding MOTS. For me honestly, the only ones that tend to confuse is Jimin, who I do see as being almost 89% gay with some attraction towards woman, but I just don't see it. Maybe it is indeed a "yes queen moments" who knows. Anyways , the other is V and here is the part I will disagree with most of you. I had a friend like him before someone who was openly an ally because I wasn't open to anyone at high school. He wanted to make sure I was comfortable and that others knew more about people like me. V has made others more comfortable like that, whether it be opening up Jung Kook or supporting Jimin in his endeavours , the man has shown a very big support to others when they needed it. So it doesn't supprise me he would do the same for Jimin when he can't express himself exactly on which movies he likes or not. Otherwise it would make it very obvious. 

But then again, I could be wrong. Either way, I hope the guys find their own path in life and are comfortable with the arrangement they made for themselves. It is not easy being in the public eye and being gay/bi as well.

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52 minutes ago, OptimusPremier said:

Yeah I do feel like you that there's been a shift since their break in 2019 (honestly let's be real here : since they all stopped living together). But my take on Taehyung doesn't rely on just LGBT content consumption. It's also his past self, the flamboyant kid who used to participate in drag competitions, collect crushes on hyung and it's Stigma too. Altogether it's hard to ignore. Then indeed image managing made it harder to notice (also growing up, people tend to get "tamed" as they age) but Tae's flamboyance still manages to catch some eyes.

Also I personally think Jimin's bi too! But maybe more interested in women than your percentage. It's just my opinion though ^^

First of, can I just say I absolutely love your name. Transformers was a big part of my youth

I do agree that there are some moments with V, but he has a very very flirty personality. Who knows what the truth is. Also, I agree he can be flamboyant, but that doesn't necessarily make him gay do, does it? I can understand that the lyrics to stigma does indeed muttie the waters, however I still believe the man isn't gay. Maybe bi though? Who knows . 

In regard to Jimin, the man is just too confusing to every reach an consensus on that. He maybe another Prince reincarnated, we will never know until he either writes a book or when he too old to care about his idol life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Josaline said:

I found it on  twitter

 

 

I haven't seen all the vlives and I do agree he sounded genuinely interested and moved by those movies.

I wonder if he or is his team members know how much leverage they have within the company? Sometimes it surprises me that they don't use it and become more explicit with their messages. But then again I worked for a Korean company, being different than the others isn't really thing within their community. Korean companies favour people who are easily conditioned and stay in line. 

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Okay, why do I have an poor reputation on this forum? I haven't said anything to offend nor did I insult anyone. Is there an rule I broke? if so I apologize. But I would love to know what I did wrong. 

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Hmm, to bad that people didn't tell me what it is that they dont like about my comment. I am always open for a good conversation. But thanks for explaining it to me. I am new to this forum or to any K-pop ones actually. 

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4 hours ago, Passwords said:

Personally your comment saying Taehyung speaks for Jimin with the LGBTQ related content he talks about was pretty off putting lmao 

He actually didn’t mention the man I love. He was talking about to all the boys I’ve loved before, that popular Netflix movie.

Fair enough, I can understand that it could be construed as a negative comment. However, he does really remind me of a buddy of mine back in high school. I was speaking from a personal point of view.

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19 minutes ago, Josaline said:

lol

 

The boy is soo odd, I saw this as well and it's just so mind boggling. And Jin acting like it's no big deal is also weird. Makes you think how often does this happen? 

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1 minute ago, Josaline said:

pretty often since this kind of things considered joke there lol

Yeah I know that, but at some point they have to see how odd it is to just casually touch ones dicks. 

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9 minutes ago, Josaline said:

That's the point, they don't think this is an odd thing to do. This kind of joke is perfectly normal in their culture. I thought it was weird as Tae and JK touched each other's dks all the time. But everyone here said that this is normal lol

Although I haven't lived in SK, I have visited, worked and went to college with a lot of Korean dudes. I never saw this behaviour played out. There were a lot of guys I knew that were very close with each other and hugged alot, but never saw any dick playing games. I wonder at what age do they stop playing these games?

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Either way, JK pings me heavy. I cannot see him being straight. 

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2 hours ago, Chika Chika said:

Did those Korean dudes you work with or went to school with grow up in Korea? If no then they don't have or haven't picked up things that Koreans do. 

Like if Koreans grow up somewhere else other than in Korea then they won't act like the typical korean guys. Like Jay from Enhypen acts too much like an American than Korean. 

 

I can understand that if you grow op somewhere else you might develop a different cultural behaviour, but the guys I worked with were same age as Jin and started their careers in the UK as an expats. Most Korean companies hire only Koreans expats for certain roles. And same for the ones that I went to college with, they finished their masters either in a Dutch/UK uni. So they weren't born in Europe. That is why I am wondering at what age to they stop. Or maybe because they are idiols they can get away with it.

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8 minutes ago, Josaline said:

Because sometimes the facts lie behind the jokes. Sometimes people do what they really want to do by hiding behind jokes. I put this here, but on the other hand, I didn't leave people in the dark by warning them that this is considered normal in their culture. So they will be able to make better evaluation.

I think BTS has travelled and been long enough somewhere else to not know that this would be considered odd by a bystander. This is why they tone down their interactions when they are in US for interviews.

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Even with all the skinship and close relationships, I still don't see this as normal aspect of their lives. Being around those who grew up in SK made me more suspicious of idols interactions. I mean those who made comments about Jackson/Exo members/Suju members, they are right. Guys who are in their twenties or thirties don't act this way in SK if they are straight. Some may sleep in the same bed and cuddle as friends, but I think the general straight male population in SK doesn't behave like the idols do. But again it could also be for fan service and the idols know that some female fans enjoy these type of queerbating. I do think BTS as a group doesn't do that much, but they still have weird moments that come out of nowhere. Cultural differences is always a possibility for the explaining all their weird moments, but sometimes we just have to take it as we see it. 

 

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I agree with your sentiment, but I wonder how do they all compartmentalize this shit. I mean if they are straight, how will they explain this level of shit to their girlfriends or their probably conservative families? And don't those parents not say anything? I mean I assume any good Google search would also show this site. It's really on of the things that keep surprising me. Like Jo Kwon or Taemin saying they genderless or androgynous. I mean isn't it better to not say anything instead of giving little receipts and opening a can of worms? At least these sites are helpful went I can't sleep

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6 minutes ago, joonsoulie said:

Oh I definitely don't think they're all straight! There are at least 3 or 4 members (maybe 5, but that's unrealistic :/) I think are def gay and bi. I just think sometimes people misinterpret skinship as evidence of attraction, which is not the case. 

It also seems to me like some things are for the camera, and not real, and some truly are friends messing around with each other. This is my perspective as an american but i know straight guys who joke about each other's dicks all the time. But i know gay guys who do that too! I think it can be hard to tell true intentions with a lot of groups, especially ones who may or may not actually get along off camera, but here's what i think about BTS specifically:

I do think they are genuinely friends and tease each other like friends do. A lot of their "sus" moments may be exaggerated, but i believe there's genuine affection behind it, albeit platonic. Re: the specific video of JK pushing the stick all up on Jin's dick, i don't see anything "gay" about it, just JK teasing as he is wont to do (ESPECIALLY to Jin). I also am very much in the minority bc I think JK and Jin are the straightest members in the group, so that partially informs my opinion. But, JK has also shoved long pointed objects up the buttcracks of other members, including ones i believe are gay. So I think it's just the maknae being the maknae playing around. And that's probably the case for other groups, too.

I'm not Korean so I can't say what is or isn't odd for that culture, but i don't see it as inappropriate or gay at all.

(In reference your question about "why do they give little receipts" i think some idols are testing the limits of what is an isn't acceptable and I really respect them for that, because it can be dangerous. Re: the parents thing, I think some families are more conservative and some are more accepting. This is delving into heavy speculation and is maybe overstepping my bounds, but there's a member of BTS i think is gay and has probably been fully accepted by his family, and another i suspect may have had a less than positive reaction. It varies, but we can only hope queerness continues to be destigmatized in whatever small ways it can as time goes on. But i do not think that skinship or fanservice = representation)

If little receipts can definitely make way for a more open-minded mentality in a conservative society, than I am all for it. I just don't want them to backtrack it every time when they are questioned about it and label it as androgynous or being genderless. But I admire their courage to even say anything at all. 

I am curious to who do you think came out to their parents and their reactions that followed? 

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On 12/19/2020 at 11:52 AM, Eremit said:

I wouldn't read at all into skinship.

If you think about it, even One Direction did a lot of borderline suspicious stuff and they were very touchy and that was a Western boygroup and most of them weren't even close lol. And in K-Pop, it's that times four. The fans love it and it's pretty much expected of them. I'm sure they think nothing of it tbh.

 

13 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

Dick jokes common thing even a homophobic contry like mine. Even the guys who push the thirty are making such jokes. I think it only starts to decline after marriage.

I agree with you both that dick jokes are commen ( but God I hope they do stop playing those games before marriage or anything else) and fan service is indeed part of their daily job. But I do think that with some groups you can see it's more obvious that they are clearly turned on by their actions.

Because of the new lockdowns in my country I had nothing do, so I started to read this forum from 2014 and onwards. I am now at page 1680, and there I find so many interesting post. Especially about super junior and Exo. What are you opinions about them then and now? Is their fan service any different than those you have seen with other K-pop bands?

 

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17 minutes ago, Josaline said:

When Super Junior was founded, SM was influenced by Johnny's Ent, Japan's largest entertainment and idol company. Johnnys idols are famous for their extreme fan service onstage, but fans know it's just a game. Super Junior was one of the first groups to try this on stage. I mean, Johnny's idols can do this on the stage and get away with it lol

 

 

Ooh me like the picture, who are these men?

So that means there is no truth to donghae being bi? Cause I found in the old pages some really convincing moments.

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1 hour ago, Josaline said:

These two are two members of the group named " TOKIO " , Nagase Tomoya and Taichi Kokubun. And the fact is that Kokubun is married and has two children. Nagase is also very popular with women.

Wow, married and with kids even. I wonder what their wives say or do they give them a freebie because they bring in the money. By the way I googled Jonny entertainment, dude has some serious harresment cases in the past. 

You know I know some so called straight guys who said that they have kissed or hooked up with men during casual flings and I asked them if they had any real attraction to men and their answer is nope, but if the mood was right they were okay with some experimental shit. Those men never really define themselves as bi, I guess same could be said for fans service. If the pay is alright they are up for it. 

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37 minutes ago, thelliot said:

just a tiny nitpick on labels! that would be heteroflexible (if they chose to identify that way). i consider myself somewhat homoflexible, in that the majority of my attraction is to men but i can sometimes be attracted to women also. so bada bing bada boom the reverse would be heteroflexible 

Thanks for the extra info on Johnny entertainment, I will Google some more later on. I only recently started to show interest in K-pop, although they I was surrounded with it for a long time. So I still have to familiar myself with the entire history. 

About the heteroflexible label, I think I didn't explain it correctly . What I meant was that some guys who indentify themselves as straight don't even admit to themselves that they are fluid or heteroflexible, they just deny it and say it's momentarily thing they did and go back to their straight bubble. This is kinda how I see some idols acting. 

By the way, I don't mean to give judgement on any person. Anyone has the right to indentify and be seen the way they want to. I just don't like guys who say "no homo" after hookups with a another men. 

 

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Just realized I quoted the wrong person. My apologies, it was ment for @Josaline

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4 minutes ago, TataBoo said:

Bisexual guys exist and it's possible Taehyung and even Jimin like both girls and guys.

I might believe Tae could be Bi, but for Jimin I think he is more into men. And that is not because of his manners or feminine side, I totally see that he has a masculine side as well. It's more how he responds to men and how easily he shows his thirsty side when he sees an attractive men. 

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3 minutes ago, TataBoo said:

Jimi's type whether it's boys or girls seems kind of obvious. 

Clearly my statement on Jimin got a clown, so I guess I am in the minority here haha

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2 hours ago, TataBoo said:

The clown wasn't from me, but many users in this thread do think Jimin is exclusively attracted to guys.

 

1 hour ago, TataBoo said:

Tbh I would think Jimin is only attracted to men if it weren't for his reactions towards female idols like Hwasa. It looks like he's attracted to her.

Aah okay, good I thought my radar might be off with Jimin if people here disagreed with me. 

As for hwasa or normani moments, I don't know exactly if that was really an attraction. Especially when he was watching hwasa, I think BTS as group ( definitely the younger ones) tries hard not to show any reaction towards woman because of their fans. But you can have amazing performances like those ladies had and then you have to say, damn girl that looked good, I think it was one of those moments honestly. 

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1 hour ago, Tixy said:

Sehun rumors

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Whomsties, please say sike. What is 2020 even...

PS: They are saying it's not Kang Sora with whom he had some rumors a while ago, but a non celebrity. Honestly, the coincidence is more than a bit sus to me.

Okay, if this turns out to be true. Then I just throw my hands up. Sehun is if not the most clear open book case of a gay men. I have never seen him interested in women before. But as you said, 2020 has been a crazy year.

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5 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

Ahh good old days~ lol

 

Love this

The guy on the left is basically saying, girl please don't come near me